Microsoft CFO: Windows 8 key to cross-platform plans

Windows 8 was one of the subjects brought up by Microsoft's chief financial officer Peter Klein in an address to the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference on Wednesday. Microsoft posted up the video of his appearance which mostly consistented of a Q&A session with Goldman Sachs analyst Heather Bellini.

Windows 8's Metro interface will be part of Microsoft's plans to bring that UI to other platforms. Klein stated, "What we're trying to do is develop a complete set of experiences across all device types, be they TV, tablets, PCs, phone, whatever. It's unclear exactly what the ultimate device spectrum will be. In everything that we're doing I think things have come together very nicely over the last couple of years."

While the actual experience of using Windows 8 should be the same when used on both x86 and ARM-based hardware, Klein did say there would be differences  "on the margin" between the two products.

Another way that Microsoft plans to link its various products together is with its recent merger with Skype. During the conference, Klein stated, "Skype extends that across all of our assets, whether it’s with Lync in the enterprise, or with Xbox Live. It’s something that really ties together all of our devices, a scenario that’s as universal as any."

Microsoft's ability to fully integrate Skype with its other properties may be delayed, however, as Cisco yesterday filed an appeal to the General Court of the European Union stating that, while it isn't wholly opposed to Microsoft's acquisition of Skype, it would like the EU's decision to approve the purchase to be reviewed, with the possibility of new conditions being imposed.

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Let those who thrive on "the bleeding edge" install Windows-8. Those of us with serious deadline-oriented production to get done will do it with Windows-7.

In no way was Metro designed solely around touch like some like to imagine.

It's almost like its success on touch devices makes people think it can't possibly work on a desktop too... in my opinion the best interfaces are those that become familiar and can work across an array of devices.

The unity and simplicity across desktop and mobile is urgently needed.

lt8480 said,
It's almost like its success on touch devices makes people think it can't possibly work on a desktop too...

What success? You obviously can't mean the Zune or WP7, as neither was a success…

MFH said,

What success? You obviously can't mean the Zune or WP7, as neither was a success…
actually, yes. It's been the winner of a few design awards.

greenwizard88 said,
actually, yes. It's been the winner of a few design awards.

Oh, thought we were talking about success in the market - you know the thing that actually matters in business…

MFH said,

Oh, thought we were talking about success in the market - you know the thing that actually matters in business…

Well has Windows 8 been in the market to say it won't be a success?

MFH said,

Oh, thought we were talking about success in the market - you know the thing that actually matters in business…

The competition isn't over must yet.

Zedox said,

Well has Windows 8 been in the market to say it won't be a success?


What are you talking about? His argument was on how "Metros success on touch devices makes everyone think that it can't work on desktop". This argument is flawed as there is now success in any commercial touch implementation is just a failure, not a success…

efjay said,

The competition isn't over must yet.

I personally love the WP7 GUI but I have many issues with the OS and the ecosystem.
I am eagerly waiting to see what "WP8" will bring on the table; based on the latest leaks it seems that the OS will finally address many issues I am having right now and I hope so; I would rather keep using MS OS than jump ship.......

Zedox said,

Well has Windows 8 been in the market to say it won't be a success?

Has Vista been in the market to say it won't succeed ? It was a still-born a so will Windows 8.

alexalex said,

Has Vista been in the market to say it won't succeed ? It was a still-born a so will Windows 8.

Can people just stop posting ridiculous statements like this? Nobody (not me, not you, not your dog) knows if this will be successful yet - and you've obviously written it off based on a DP build which isn't/wasn't feature complete. The POV of ignorance? Or stupidity?

AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

It just seems that every article about Win8 end up having the same posts.

Always the same few people saying
Metro sucks
Metro doesn't belong on desktop
Metro = touch

If you really have nothing better to say, just refrain from posting

And I do understand that this is a forum, but it's always the same people posting the same old comments. Get over it, If you don't like Win8 just ignore it

Stoffel said,
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

It just seems that every article about Win8 end up having the same posts.

Always the same few people saying
Metro sucks
Metro doesn't belong on desktop
Metro = touch

If you really have nothing better to say, just refrain from posting

And I do understand that this is a forum, but it's always the same people posting the same old comments. Get over it, If you don't like Win8 just ignore it

+1

Don't worry though. The same people were bitching and moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar at this stage in that version's development. They're just frightened that they might have to learn something new.

jakem1 said,

+1

Don't worry though. The same people were bitching and moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar at this stage in that version's development. They're just frightened that they might have to learn something new.

I know, but you would think that people who come to sites like this would be more open to change and not be as narrow minded about what MS is trying to do.

If you understand what they are trying to do, you would know that it's silly to have a switch that will turn everything Metro off

Stoffel said,

I know, but you would think that people who come to sites like this would be more open to change and not be as narrow minded about what MS is trying to do.

If you understand what they are trying to do, you would know that it's silly to have a switch that will turn everything Metro off

It's because the reaction to Metro (or to change in general) is all about self-interest. Everyone is *for* change....until it impacts them even a LITTLE bit badly.

Yet here I am, posting this from the WDP (desktop IE10), running on aa traditional desktop...and having nary an issue.

PGHammer said,

It's because the reaction to Metro (or to change in general) is all about self-interest. Everyone is *for* change....until it impacts them even a LITTLE bit badly.

Yet here I am, posting this from the WDP (desktop IE10), running on aa traditional desktop...and having nary an issue.

I think you are absolutely right.

Same here, I've been using Win8 DP for over 4 months and it works just fine on a laptop with no touch

PGHammer said,

It's because the reaction to Metro (or to change in general) is all about self-interest. Everyone is *for* change....until it impacts them even a LITTLE bit badly.

Yet here I am, posting this from the WDP (desktop IE10), running on aa traditional desktop...and having nary an issue.


+1 to this discussion.

Stoffel said,
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

It just seems that every article about Win8 end up having the same posts.


It's always the same people that claim the Metro works on desktops in terms of productivity…

MFH said,

It's always the same people that claim the Metro works on desktops in terms of productivity…

Yea, well, you can't tell that until "productivity" applications are run on it. The way it is now in the WDP, yea of course it's not gonna work, no applications. Let's some something like applications for productivity come out before making a judgment. Or that just may be me.

Oh and side note, if you have x86 on desktop (which mostly the world has) and running Windows 8, there's nothing killing you.

jakem1 said,

+1

Don't worry though. The same people were bitching and moaning about the Windows 7 taskbar at this stage in that version's development. They're just frightened that they might have to learn something new.

Learning stupid Metro vs knowing 7 different programming languages (me) is hardly a challenge.

Zedox said,
Oh and side note, if you have x86 on desktop (which mostly the world has) and running Windows 8, there's nothing killing you.

Except for the fact that I'm thrown into Metro constantly…

MFH said,

Except for the fact that I'm thrown into Metro constantly…

How so? Are you opening up that many different applications or searching for that many files? If so, you can pin the My Documents folder. I've been using WDP since it came out as my main OS and never felt that I've been forced into Metro constantly. Most of my apps are pinned on the desktop. What the hell are you doing if anything?

Stoffel said,
AAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH

It just seems that every article about Win8 end up having the same posts.

Always the same few people saying
Metro sucks
Metro doesn't belong on desktop
Metro = touch

If you really have nothing better to say, just refrain from posting

And I do understand that this is a forum, but it's always the same people posting the same old comments. Get over it, If you don't like Win8 just ignore it

Could not the same be told about people saying:

Metro is the best thing happened to the OS
Metro works wonderfully on desktop..........
Metro: Touch is as good with "Touch" as with keyboards and Mice

Personally I am intrigued by W8 although there are several aspects of the WDP that I dislike but I will withhold a final decision until W8 reaches RTM.


PGHammer said,
Everyone is *for* change....until it impacts them even a LITTLE bit badly.

As a developer (of many years..) that's a falsehood - the truth is that some people are always resistant to *any* change because:

a: it requires effort on their part to learn something new (even if it is better)
b: the basic fear of the unknown, of the motives behind it and because often they're just following a crowd of like minded vocal people who use very poor information to evaluate something new.

Over the past two decades i've read all the same stuff being said again and again - heard it from users myself etc. Sometimes you have to take a risk and change something - if you get it right then the vocal few eventually capitulate, if you don't you lose customers (such is life).

MS are criticised for not changing anything, and criticised when they do. I'm used to that too - it's the way of things - but you can't make everybody happy and the silent majority is often just that.

Fritzly said,

Could not the same be told about people saying:

Metro is the best thing happened to the OS
Metro works wonderfully on desktop..........
Metro: Touch is as good with "Touch" as with keyboards and Mice

Personally I am intrigued by W8 although there are several aspects of the WDP that I dislike but I will withhold a final decision until W8 reaches RTM.


I guess you could but,

usually the people in favor of Metro shut up about it
they only get vocal when others on any article about Win8 start spewing their crap.

A post that only says Metro sucks or Metro = Touch or whatever doesn't add anything to the thread. So people in favor of Win8 start defending it at that point

Seems fair enough, no? The OS is not even in Beta yet and people are shooting it down

Zedox said,

How so? Are you opening up that many different applications or searching for that many files?

Yes, as I'm working in IT…

Zedox said,
If so, you can pin the My Documents folder.

LOL, sure if you only have your stuff in one folder that may be a solution, too bad that the corporate world doesn't work like your private PC then…


Zedox said,
Most of my apps are pinned on the desktop.

If I pin all my regularly used programs to the task bar I need 1 screen with the taskbar stretching over the whole screen - does that sound like a solution for you?

Just because a button is large enough for a touch display does not mean that the same button doesn't work on the desktop/keyboard scenario. Example? The Office Ribbon.

rojorojo said,
Just because a button is large enough for a touch display does not mean that the same button doesn't work on the desktop/keyboard scenario. Example? The Office Ribbon.

+1

rojorojo said,
Just because a button is large enough for a touch display does not mean that the same button doesn't work on the desktop/keyboard scenario. Example? The Office Ribbon.

Office Ribbon is not big at all.

rojorojo said,
Just because a button is large enough for a touch display does not mean that the same button doesn't work on the desktop/keyboard scenario. Example? The Office Ribbon.

You are comparing apples with oranges: The "Ribbon" is a "Bar", "Metro" is a complete shift of the OS paradigm..........

Metro should be off an all desktop PC's and laptops by default, exception should be made for those all in one PCs with a touchscreen.

burnblue said,
@commenters complaining about metro = touch

You guys sound like a broken record

Maybe the strength of feeling among Microsoft's biggeet supporters should be ringing alarm bells at Redmond.

thealexweb said,

Maybe the strength of feeling among Microsoft's biggeet supporters should be ringing alarm bells at Redmond.

You seriously should be waiting for the beta to make criticisms. The beta and DP aren't even comparable in terms of functionality. -_-

Dot Matrix said,

You seriously should be waiting for the beta to make criticisms. The beta and DP aren't even comparable in terms of functionality. -_-


Agreed. I love how we have to constantly listen to people who claim to be "Microsoft's biggest supporters" whine about a product they aren't even willing to give a chance... It's absurd.

burnblue said,
@commenters complaining about metro = touch

You guys sound like a broken record


@commenters supporting metro on the desktop
You guys sound like a broken record

MFH said,

@commenters supporting metro on the desktop
You guys sound like a broken record

...and you don't? Seriously, how do you write off something you haven't actually tried? The DP does not represent W8 'complete' and anyone who thought it was frankly isn't all that smart. MS pushed out a build (with embedded Dev Studio) for DEVELOPERS to try building Metro apps on. This is not difficult to understand..

dangel said,

...and you don't? Seriously, how do you write off something you haven't actually tried? The DP does not represent W8 'complete' and anyone who thought it was frankly isn't all that smart. MS pushed out a build (with embedded Dev Studio) for DEVELOPERS to try building Metro apps on. This is not difficult to understand..


I can tell you that a interface that hinders multitasking as much as Metro will not be a success in content creation, programming, business and so on… You don't have to be a genius to understand that one interface doesn't fit all!

MFH said,

I can tell you that a interface that hinders multitasking as much as Metro will not be a success in content creation, programming, business and so on… You don't have to be a genius to understand that one interface doesn't fit all!

The interface was incomplete in the DP. Jus' sayin'...

I have no problem with metro on pc, as long as I can turn it off / disable it.
Trying to use touch interface w/ keyboard mouse will be a bit frustrating.

etempest said,
I have no problem with metro on pc, as long as I can turn it off / disable it.
Trying to use touch interface w/ keyboard mouse will be a bit frustrating.

A "touch" interface? Metro isn't a touch interface, it's an "everything" interface. it's designed to work with a keyboard and mouse just as well as a touchscreen or a gamepad.

etempest said,
I have no problem with metro on pc, as long as I can turn it off / disable it.
Trying to use touch interface w/ keyboard mouse will be a bit frustrating.

But then you have to ask yourself whether it's really a touch interface. Actually, the two touch platforms that Metro's been used on have failed so far (Zune and WP7), yet the 2 mouse/keyboard/controller implementations of it (Windows Media Center, Zune Software, and the Xbox dashboard) have been extremely well received. Personally, I've been using the WDP since it was released on a laptop, and I love it.

Matthew_Thepc said,

yet the 2 mouse/keyboard/controller implementations of it (Windows Media Center, Zune Software, and the Xbox dashboard) have been extremely well received.

No they didn't Media Center - arguably a predecessor to the Metro Design Language - is a niche application that's not widely used, neither is Zune. That leaves you with the XBox dashboard - an application where the user has no alternative to choose…

Matthew_Thepc said,

But then you have to ask yourself whether it's really a touch interface. Actually, the two touch platforms that Metro's been used on have failed so far (Zune and WP7), yet the 2 mouse/keyboard/controller implementations of it (Windows Media Center, Zune Software, and the Xbox dashboard) have been extremely well received. Personally, I've been using the WDP since it was released on a laptop, and I love it.

WTH are you talking about? At present, WP7 is being well received by it's users on on lookers just as the Zune and Media Center. They all just lack awareness.

wixostrix said,

At present, WP7 is being well received by it's users

As did webOS, doesn't mean it's ever going to be a success…

KSib said,
Sure felt like it was to me
Try again with the Consumer Preview. Don't judge the user experience based on the Developer Preview, it was only meant for developers to develop Windows 8 apps on.

StarLion said,

A "touch" interface? Metro isn't a touch interface, it's an "everything" interface. it's designed to work with a keyboard and mouse just as well as a touchscreen or a gamepad.

I am withholding a final opinion about Metro on desktops until W8 reaches RTM.......

MFH said,

No they didn't Media Center - arguably a predecessor to the Metro Design Language - is a niche application that's not widely used, neither is Zune. That leaves you with the XBox dashboard - an application where the user has no alternative to choose…

It is just a matter of personal opinions of course but, IMO, Media Center is light years ahead of Zune in handling all my media.........

wixostrix said,

WTH are you talking about? At present, WP7 is being well received by it's users on on lookers just as the Zune and Media Center. They all just lack awareness.


I knew someone would get mad about this Even if consumers like it, awareness is a huge thing. Sure, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but, I mean, maybe there's a reason Microsoft never could get that final piece of the puzzle in place for the touch versions of Metro? FTR I've never actually talked to a single person who isn't biased for Microsoft who like Windows Phone. The minute I installed the Dev Preview on my laptop I had Apple lovers asking how they could make their Macs look like that (I mean, literally my friend asked me "Can I make my MacBook look like that?"). Now, the one place where I agree with you about the awareness thing is in Zune. I've showed mine to a few people, and many of them have asked me where they can buy one.

What I was attempting to point out in my comment was that Microsoft has tried Metro about four times (even if WMC isn't exactly Metro, it still implements most of the ideas in it.), from what I've seen, and I must admit that what I've seen is most probably biased in on direction or another, is that people seemed to like and/or buy the mouse/keyboard implementations of it more.

MFH said
,
No they didn't Media Center - arguably a predecessor to the Metro Design Language - is a niche application that's not widely used, neither is Zune. That leaves you with the XBox dashboard - an application where the user has no alternative to choose…

Hmm, I guess you're right. I'm starting to think I should get out of my state a bit more....All the stuff I said was based much more on what I've noticed than actual market research, which was relatively inappropriate of me. I appologize.

Matthew_Thepc said,

I knew someone would get mad about this Even if consumers like it, awareness is a huge thing. Sure, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but, I mean, maybe there's a reason Microsoft never could get that final piece of the puzzle in place for the touch versions of Metro? FTR I've never actually talked to a single person who isn't biased for Microsoft who like Windows Phone. The minute I installed the Dev Preview on my laptop I had Apple lovers asking how they could make their Macs look like that (I mean, literally my friend asked me "Can I make my MacBook look like that?"). Now, the one place where I agree with you about the awareness thing is in Zune. I've showed mine to a few people, and many of them have asked me where they can buy one.

What I was attempting to point out in my comment was that Microsoft has tried Metro about four times (even if WMC isn't exactly Metro, it still implements most of the ideas in it.), from what I've seen, and I must admit that what I've seen is most probably biased in on direction or another, is that people seemed to like and/or buy the mouse/keyboard implementations of it more.


Hmm, I guess you're right. I'm starting to think I should get out of my state a bit more....All the stuff I said was based much more on what I've noticed than actual market research, which was relatively inappropriate of me. I appologize.

I wasn't mad. I was just writing what I was thinking. I know awareness is huge that's why I'm happy Nokia is getting involved and bringing A+ marketing. I understand the point you are trying to make, but how can you even measure that? Neither of the products have been all that successful. The latest Xbox Dashboard doesn't count because the Xbox was successful before the Metro transition. Out of WMC, Zune, WP7, Windows Phone has the most awareness at this stage of it's life because those barely had any.