Microsoft compares Outlook.com to Gmail and Yahoo Mail, releases new video

Microsoft officially launched Outlook.com earlier this week, but it also knows that there are still a lot of people who use its two main competitors, Google's Gmail and Yahoo Mail. As part of the new launch, Microsoft has a webpage that it says proves that Outlook.com is the best choice for web email access.

The page's chart shows, among other things, that Outlook.com users can share, video and edit Office-based documents via Microsoft's Office Web Apps. Users also have a way to email photo slide shows and a way to connect to Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn from an inbox. Microsoft claims that none of those features are available for Gmail and Yahoo Mail users. In fact, the only thing Microsoft's chart admits that Outlook.com can't do is support the IMAP email protocol.

There's also a little known feature that lets Outlook.com users get rid of all of the ads while using the site. The catch? It costs $19.95 a year. Paying that amount also allows users to always have their account active without the need to continue to log into Outlook.com

Microsoft has also posted up a page that shows how Gmail users can quickly transfer their account to Outlook.com. Finally, Microsoft has released a new video that gives the public a tour of the new Outlook.com features.

Source: Microsoft via Winbeta.org | Image via Microsoft

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That's right everyone complain how gmail is intrusive without realising that if gmail did not innovate, Microsoft NEVER would have.


At any rate, I am one speaking who uses both interfaces (outlook programme n website and gmail) and apart from outlook.com adding to outlook as an exchange account, gmail is still better.

Don't nag about intrusive because soon enough your going to buy something from the ads making you a hypocrite in the making.

Shahrad said,
That's right everyone complain how gmail is intrusive without realising that if gmail did not innovate, Microsoft NEVER would have.
How do you know that Microsoft would of never innovated had it been for Gmail..?

Shahrad said
When does Microsoft ever innovate without someone forcing them to?????
When has Microsoft been "forced" to innovative...? I hope you're joking..

"Share, view, and edit Microsoft Office docs using Office Web Apps". LOL.

Might as well have a line: "Created and funded by Microsoft"

fobban said,
"Share, view, and edit Microsoft Office docs using Office Web Apps". LOL.

Might as well have a line: "Created and funded by Microsoft"

Doesn't matter anyway. Google Docs will not work with you MS Office documents. Yes, if you convert them but then you lose markup. Yahoo even don't has this option.

This is the most intelligent commercial I've seen from MS. They need to do this for Windows 8. Teach people how to use the product right in the commercial. I hope this trend continues, a big change from the flashy bull crap with too much music and not enough substance.

Until outlook can allow for sending via other SMTP servers or gets rid of the "sent on behalf of" then this is a deal breaker for me from really using it full-time. For now, I'm stick to Gmail. Having "sent on behalf of" doesn't look professional.

I use Chrome with Adblock Plus. No ads in Gmail or Outlook.com.

None.

Oh, and if Office Web Apps were up to the level of Google Drive/Docs, I would consider switching back.

COKid said,
Oh, and if Office Web Apps were up to the level of Google Drive/Docs, I would consider switching back.
Yep, I just read that.

COKid said,
I use Chrome with Adblock Plus. No ads in Gmail or Outlook.com.

None.

Oh, and if Office Web Apps were up to the level of Google Drive/Docs, I would consider switching back.


1. The fact that you need a plugin to block ads in your inbox is stupid. At least with IE10, tracking protection is built in.
2. Have you even tried the new 2013 Office Web Apps? It's miles ahead that of Google Docs. If you have tried it, what in particular is not 'up to level'?

j2006 said
1. The fact that you need a plugin to block ads in your inbox is stupid.
I doubt that he had that enabled just for his inbox.

j2006 said
At least with IE10, tracking protection is built in.
I just saw a setting in Chrome that says "Send a ‘Do Not Track' request with your browsing traffic". I think Chrome has this feature two, I've never used it though.

And by the way, Chrome is a lot more stable than IE 10. IE crashed after having 20 tabs open while Chrome was able to handle well-over 50.

Two factor authentication and I'll use it as a primary. Until then, I'll stick with Gmail/Yahoo, both of which offer two factor authentication. And yes, it is a big deal. Once an MS account has been compromised, changing your password no longer protects you. Your hacker knows your account's innards well enough now to request a manual password reset and answer the questions correctly to get the reset granted. MS's security needs some beefing up.

In fact, the only thing Microsoft's chart admits that Outlook.com can't do is support the IMAP email protocol.
So Microsoft is outwardly admitting their service is antiquated and terrible. Ballsy move MS, Ballsy.

P.S. WHEN DID IMAP BECOME A THING ARE YOU ALL ON FEATURE PHONES?!?!

MrHumpty said,
So Microsoft is outwardly admitting their service is antiquated and terrible. Ballsy move MS, Ballsy.

P.S. WHEN DID IMAP BECOME A THING ARE YOU ALL ON FEATURE PHONES?!?!

Hey can you hear me? How is it back in 1993???
IMAP is dated garbage, there is a reason exchange is the preferred method; its simply better and uses less battery then constantly polling a server for new messages. It's why apple licensed it and includes it in the iphone, its also why google offers it to paying google apps customers - they only removed it from non-paying customers obviously to try to get them to move over to paid google apps.

pgxl said,

Hey can you hear me? How is it back in 1993???
IMAP is dated garbage, there is a reason exchange is the preferred method; its simply better and uses less battery then constantly polling a server for new messages. It's why apple licensed it and includes it in the iphone, its also why google offers it to paying google apps customers - they only removed it from non-paying customers obviously to try to get them to move over to paid google apps.

LOL I know. I just love how that is brought up a reason to use Google and not Outlook/Hotmail. I guess there are some Thunderbird users out there.

MrHumpty said,
LOL I know. I just love how that is brought up a reason to use Google and not Outlook/Hotmail. I guess there are some Thunderbird users out there.

And Apple Mail?

infinicat said,
Didn't bother to check RFC; just followed my gut feelings because POP3 was the de-facto protocol when I was a kid. Funny thing is Hotmail still supports this much more simplisitic protocol, maybe so that people still have a way migrate to other providers?
Or... IMAP4's RFC is plagued by problems causing many clients and servers to have problems working together, be inefficient, or unpredictable. But you should totally follow your gut feelings... you should totally use those over any and all research that you could be doing to actually know what you're talking about.

MrHumpty said,
Or... IMAP4's RFC is plagued by problems causing many clients and servers to have problems working together, be inefficient, or unpredictable. But you should totally follow your gut feelings... you should totally use those over any and all research that you could be doing to actually know what you're talking about.

I followed “my gut feelings” to say POP3 is older than IMAP, and I didn't make a mistake.

On the other hand, you first mentioned that IMAP is old; and when I mentioned POP3 you then jumped to saying that IMAP4 is problematic.

Personally I've never experienced “inefficient” and “unpredictable” behavior with Gmail's IMAP with any client. Of course, this is just personal experience. Let's see how Hotmail is going to do it.

MrHumpty said,
OSX has had EAS support for quite some time.

No it hasn't, OSX mail has corporate exchange server support, not mobile EAS.

The whole Ads issue seems to be only with Microsoft and paranoid people. And love how they put "Switch Now" only under Google while, according to Microsofts chart, Yahoo isnt really any better.

And $20 to get rid of ads? GMAIL ads are not annoying at all...so I will keep my $20.

I buy products based on what they do...not some other companies opinion on the competition or trash marketing.

Can't you opt out of Gmail's targeted ads? And isn't the "virtually unlimited storage" irrelevant anyway? Who uses up all their Gmail space, that's what I would like to know...

Seems like a rather nitpicky list, with "one click mark as read" and such. I like Outlook for a lot of reasons, but the only one they really list (aside from things that are the standard anyway) is the accessing of Office documents.

I use all the space... or close to it. I get e-mails from 10 or so mail accounts all piled in one that I access from my mobile, home computer and work computer - and I only access the gmail page like one in a blue moon.

tell that to yahoo instead.... 2 friends got thier acct.s hacked and sent me yucky emails. in one month. they have strong passwords BTW

Scar said,
Improve your own laughable pathetic security before comparing to the likes of Google.
I'm curious as to what you base that opinion off of? The 90's?

It should be pointed at that Microsoft does scan the email subjects for use helping target ads. I like the way that's continently not mentioned.

Also not mentioned you can opt-out of Gmail and Google search showing you targeted ads based on keywords. I see no such opt-out option in Outlook.com

Darrah Ford said,
Also not mentioned you can opt-out of Gmail and Google search showing you targeted ads based on keywords. I see no such opt-out option in Outlook.com

You dont?
https://choice.microsoft.com/en-US
just click the privacy statement on ANY Microsoft website will bring you to privacy information, which has a link to the Opt out page.

Darrah Ford said,
Also not mentioned you can opt-out of Gmail and Google search showing you targeted ads based on keywords. I see no such opt-out option in Outlook.com
Cog Wheel -> My Choices -> Microsoft Advertising.

You enjoy getting learnt eh?

thealexweb said,
It should be pointed at that Microsoft does scan the email subjects for use helping target ads. I like the way that's continently not mentioned.
This is news to me. Documentation?

thealexweb said,
When Microsoft changed its Hotmail web email service to Outlook.com in summer 2012, the company further explained its email scanning policy to the Wall Street Journal. Instead of targeted advertising, it said it had planned to generate revenue through text ads on Outlook.com, which are related to interests in the subject lines of emails.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tech...oogled-google-gmail-outlook

Interesting, the source article referenced says this:

WSJ,
Microsoft does plan to generate revenue from text ads on Outlook.com, tied to interests gathered from the subject lines of emails.

The ads will only appear in the inbox, the company said, not once an email is opened. For example, Outlook.com could display ads for ski gear to a user with emails titled "ski weekend." Microsoft won't scan email content, said Mr. Hall.

"We're not going to see anything more than what the mailman sees when he delivers your mail to a mailbox," he said.

I've yet to see a) this behavoir when using outlook.com and b) any reference, anywhere in their privacy notifications of this action. It is listed as "could" so I wonder if it was ever put into practice.

Edit: After doing some tests I've clicked on over a dozen SQL Server Central subscription emails with SQL Server in the subject line. Never once is SQL Server shown as an advert. Honestly, I don't believe this is implemented but now I'll keep an eye out for curiosity's sake.

Funny how they left the broken calendar out of that matrix.

Thats okay, Microsoft. I'm not going to pay $20 to get rid of a vertical strip of random ads that takes up 1/5 the window when an ad in Gmail is only a single line of text you barely see and never notice.

They're working on the Calander. SkyDrive more than makes up for that though. And i've never seen ads on outlook.com. But if you like Google reading your emails then good for you.

Darrah Ford said,
Funny how they left the broken calendar out of that matrix.

Thats okay, Microsoft. I'm not going to pay $20 to get rid of a vertical strip of random ads that takes up 1/5 the window when an ad in Gmail is only a single line of text you barely see and never notice.

They could have mentioned free Office WebApps, but then they'd have to tell everyone how useless googles apps are. Its like using wordpad but now with an entire advertising company snooping on your 'professional' documents... (really what professional uses that crap anyway?)

not intrusive on the screen space, but definitely intrusive in regards to reading your emails, building a complex profile on all your internet habits, then directing ads (and whatever else) toward you.

Darrah Ford said,
Funny how they left the broken calendar out of that matrix.

Thats okay, Microsoft. I'm not going to pay $20 to get rid of a vertical strip of random ads that takes up 1/5 the window when an ad in Gmail is only a single line of text you barely see and never notice.

Is now a bad time to find out that GMail has ads in a verticle strip on the right and a single add on the bottom underneath the default reply box while Outlook.com has just the verticle ads on the right that actually take up less space width wise?

Cause that just happened.

1Pixel said,
But if you like Google reading your emails then good for you.

Yes some cubicle rat at Google is reading through all my emails taking notes to transmit to the black helicopters. Put the tinfoil hat away.

Meanwhile Microsoft not only scans email subject lines for keywords but targets ads with all your Outlook signup information (age, gender, location, etc) but with a straight face call themselves "champions of privacy justice" - hiring a political campaign strategist to create FUD campaigns to sway non-tech stupids. MS's desperation of late is turning people off.

Darrah Ford said,

Yes some cubicle rat at Google is reading through all my emails taking notes to transmit to the black helicopters. Put the tinfoil hat away.

Meanwhile Microsoft not only scans email subject lines for keywords but targets ads with all your Outlook signup information (age, gender, location, etc) but with a straight face call themselves "champions of privacy justice" - hiring a political campaign strategist to create FUD campaigns to sway non-tech stupids. MS's desperation of late is turning people off.

Meanwhile google makes 87% of their revenue from advertising, while Microsoft makes 99% of their revenue from selling software. So who exactly is in the position of abusing user data to gain more revenue? It's people like you that lack a brain and give away your privacy then support those companies that do that. Google accidentally just places cookies on devices without permission, then accidentally wardrives and connects to open wifi networks, then accidentally publishes users data on google wave. Sure it's all an accident.....

pgn said,

Meanwhile google makes 87% of their revenue from advertising, while Microsoft makes 99% of their revenue from selling software.

LOL Apple makes more money off their hardware and software I guess Microsoft sucks. Oh wait, different companies and different ways on how they operate. How very stupid of me to compare "Apples" to lemons.

pgn said,
Meanwhile google makes 87% of their revenue from advertising, while Microsoft makes 99% of their revenue from selling software. So who exactly is in the position of abusing user data to gain more revenue?

Google being more successful than Microsoft in search and advertising isn't for Microsoft lack of want. Microsoft cares as much about capturing user and usage data as much as anyone else competing in this space -- otherwise there would be no need for a page like this to opt-OUT what Microsoft has opted people into by default: http://choice.microsoft.com/en-US/opt-out

Why is Microsoft pushing Bing so hard? Why is MIcrosoft pushing Outlook.com so hard? Why is Microsoft pushing cloud based services in general so hard - a big shift from locally installed software to software-as-a-service web borne offerings? Google makes whatever percentage of their revenue from advertising because they can, Microsoft makes so little on advertising because they don't know how, they got to the party too late, they're mismanaged by a fratboy marketing major.

Bottom line: User data is no more private or secure with Microsoft than with Google or anyone else competing in this space for that matter.

Off ya go, drone.

Edited by Darrah Ford, Feb 22 2013, 3:44am :

Darrah Ford said,
Bottom line: User data is no more private or secure with Microsoft than with Google or anyone else competing in this space for that matter.

Pot to kettle
Off ya go, drone.

Ah, how the gullible deliver.

MrHumpty said,
Ah, how the gullible deliver.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

thenonhacker said,
I can't see them.

You have your Microsoft Goggles on.