Microsoft defends the Xbox One's used game policy

In an interview with Ars Technica, Microsoft's marketing chief for Xbox, Yusuf Mehdi, has defended the licensing and used game policies of the Xbox One, stating that the reaction from gamers was "kind of as we expected". In the long run, he expects that gamers will see the benefits of the policies on the console, as the gaming market shifts to digital-only in favor of physical discs.

He said that Microsoft is "trying to do something pretty big in terms of moving the industry forward for console gaming into the digital world", adding that "we believe digital is better". In the future, Mehdi believes that the move to all-digital will provide the capabilities for different licensing models, although for the time being it's a "big change" that Microsoft needs to educate users about to "make sure that people understand".

Speaking directly about the situation surrounding Microsoft's controversial Xbox One used game policy, Mehdi stated that they weren't simply "giving in" to publishers with the policy, instead they were trying to balance the needs of consumers ("first and foremost") as well as publishers, retailers, and Microsoft themselves.

Within that, we've tried to optimize, and I think we've found a great balance across all of those dimensions. But there are tradeoffs. We do want to support everyone in that system, beginning with the consumer. But we want publishers to get paid for the great IP they work on. We want retailers to be able to drive and sell our products and make a profit. So we are trying to balance across all those.

Medhi also clarified the situation regarding the sharing of your Xbox One game library with up to ten "family members", despite not being able to give all the details at this stage. According to him, a "family member" doesn't actually have to live in your house - they could be 3,000 miles away - and you'll be able to link/add Xbox Live accounts to access your shared game library, although only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time.

Finally, Mehdi also said it was "hard to say" what the reaction from the greater community will be over the Xbox One's various restrictions and policies.

I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points.

The rest of his interview with Ars Technica can be read here.

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Yusuf Mehdi, the genius who brought us the search engine Bing and the software Microsoft money and works... Says, you will just love not owning your games anymore, you just don't know any better yet. Trust me

Look how great Bing is, I didn't steer you wrong there, did I?....................*sigh*

Mr Mehdi, take your explanations and SHOVE IT. You don't want to educate consumers, you want to coerce them into accepting draconian licensing models.

Microsoft should listen to what Myamoto has to say on the matter. It is plain simple, so far all polls around the matter tend to indicate that people (myself included) WILL STAY AWAY from any console that tend to impose unnecessary restrictions on how and when they can play their games. If there are people out there that wouldn't mind bending over to bs like that then is they freaking problem, but see if you people can understand something once and for all: hardcore users/games are opinion makers and they influence their friends and families with their opinions. Or should we all wait for XBox Blue as well?

In Australia there areas of the state NSW that only 20 mins from the city of Sydney that can't get internet because Telstra will not roll out ADSL or cable services because of nbn. The people in the areas not going to get internet for 20 years. What about them?

if you lose your live account (hacked, lost password, banned from xbox live,) you lose all your games. I don't like having to worry about that.

This response was better than the other guy saying 'just buy a 360'. MS needs to really drive home the PROS of their way of doing things. They do exist if you look past the wall of noise that is the internet.

-Digital downloads available day of release
-Sharing that game with up to 10 others via digital library
-Losing the physical copy isn't a big deal (having young kids is where discs go to die)

MS can counter the PS 'sharing' video with their own version:
"Give game to friend. Friend loses/breaks/scratches game..."

It's happened time and time again

I don't mind all the Xboner lovers here defending any crap MS put in front of them and they will embrace it with open heart. MS is anti-consumer and no matter how you spin this gaming and internet connection issue, it is still anti-consumer. For me PS4 is FTW, I am glad that I never owned Xbox and had PS3. My next console will be definitely PS4 as I hate my boxes always checking with daddy whether what I am doing on it is allowed or not. If some one is blind enough to throw their money on this crap box then by all means go and do it. Fools and their money soon get apart. LOL.

Yeah, except for the fact that none of these regulations affect the ability for the good majority of people to enjoy games. These are non factors for most people, and is only a waste of money if you are purchasing it with the sole intent of using it to play used games.

This is the thing people need to realize: it's not like Microsoft sat down in a conference room and said "we hate customers, we're going to make their lives miserable with more DRM!!!" No, what they did is decide they wanted to allow new features - disc-less play, shared game library, access to all your games from a friends' house, etc - and to enable these features and get it past the publishers, they had to enable stronger DRM. Yes they had to make concessions to enable the new scenarios - it's all about tradeoffs.

I'm not saying they made the right trade-offs (that will be decided by the consumers this holiday season), but I am getting tired of people making it out that Microsoft just hates customers by only focusing on the downsides while ignoring the advantages of the new licensing model of the Xbox One.

Thank you! I'm not necessarily defending everything Microsoft especially the always on part, nor do I own a PS or an Xbox. However people seem to think that Microsoft is out to try to con the consumer, I think sometimes in order to innovate and think ahead you have to take bold risks. This is one of those, if Microsoft believes digital is the way to go then at least start somewhere. Game discs are not going to be around forever

JonathanMarston said,
This is the thing people need to realize: it's not like Microsoft sat down in a conference room and said "we hate customers, we're going to make their lives miserable with more DRM!!!" No, what they did is decide they wanted to allow new features - disc-less play, shared game library, access to all your games from a friends' house, etc - and to enable these features and get it past the publishers, they had to enable stronger DRM. Yes they had to make concessions to enable the new scenarios - it's all about tradeoffs.

I'm not saying they made the right trade-offs (that will be decided by the consumers this holiday season), but I am getting tired of people making it out that Microsoft just hates customers by only focusing on the downsides while ignoring the advantages of the new licensing model of the Xbox One.

Or maybe the conversation was more like "Hey if we wean customers onto digital downloads then we'll have a monopoly on game sales and we can charge anything we want. How do we present that as a feature?"

You can deliver the new features without restricting used game sales and without requiring everyone to connect to the net every 24 hours. Don't buy into the spin that they have to go hand in hand.

And how do you propose they deliver the new features without stronger DRM? If they don't check every 24 hours, but let you play on your friends' consoles without a disk, couldn't you just give your friends your username and password, then they log in, start the game, disconnect their Internet and keep playing? Then a 2nd friend could do the same thing, and a 3rd, and so on. Now basically an infinite number of people could be playing the same game from one person's account. Hence the online checks.

The only limitation that I don't understand is the inability to de-activate a game more than once without going through an authorized reseller. That restriction doesn't make any sense...

As you say, for this particular feature phoning home is required, but then why force people to phone home who have a game disc? It has been mentioned many times in the comments already that Microsoft could've allowed unrestricted offline play when a game disc is detected, while phoning home for digital copies. Best of both worlds.

Also as you mentioned already they could allow you to deactivate a game, which would allow for unlimited resale.

And these are just ideas which work in within their currently outlined system. There are an infinite number of ways to implement DRM.

MS is again just trying to force everyone in to their way of thinking. They have not been to popular with many people lately. First the Win8 screw up and now this.

I like my 360...I like my games. But I am seriously considering getting a PS4 instead. Cheaper, great games, and just makes more sense.

OK I have no problem with Digital purchases or a digital store, But I will not pay $80 for a digital download!
If the future is a digital distribution of games and content then the prices MUST come down!

This is some major backlash.

I preordered one, but:

- I have 50mbps always on internet connection
- I don't "loan" games to friends
- I don't use things like GameFly. If I want a game I look at reviews, and if they're good I buy it.
- I like Kinect, not for gaming so much but for the voice commands
- I'm excited for Skype

I must be in the minority here though.

Why wouldn't my games be there in 10 years?

And yes, I do, but that's hardly conducive for us. We use Skype as family chats, so myself, my wife and my daughter. Kinect is much more appropriate for Skype than our tablets in that situation.

Because the XB1 requires 24 hour or 1 hour online checks to play your games, one day 10-20 years from now when MS or EA (etc) shut down their servers you wont be able to turn it on and play your collection, i.e. an atari or nintendo. At least with PC gaming you can still play games from 20+ years ago because the architecture hasn't really changed too much but the next xbox will eventually replace the current, just like the Xbox 360 Arcade games you download wont work forever.

Well, I don't play my Sega 32x from 20 years ago, so it's safe for me to assume that I'm not too worried about it. Besides, that seems like a lot of speculation on your part.

how is it speculation? The XB1 requires a 24 hour checkin on your MAIN console or a 1 hour if it is any secondary. MS has stated that after that grace period you can only use media components until it can check in. MS would have to push out quite a patch to the system as well as to all games to disable that if the servers were to ever go down forever. Do you honestly think MS will keep the servers for XB1 up forever? EA shuts servers down for popular games all the time. MS themselves shutdown Halo 1 and 2 already, how long until 3 and reach get shutdown? Its not realistic to expect those servers to stay up forever let alone 5 years after a system is retired.

Again XB1 fans are showing how they cannot see past their face nor read any facts on the system and what horrible ramifications this can have to EVERY gamer, not just yourself who doesn't play classic systems (ps2/xbox/etc and lower)

I don't agree with your point. A licensing server obviously has much less overhead than a multi-player server. And yeah, if they're going to shut the licensing server down, I would expect them to release the licenses to your Microsoft account so that it's available for you.

I've read the facts. They don't bother me. Playstation 4 opted to not implement something like this for this gen. But next-gen... you can bet they will.

A licensing server does have much less overhead but they will not keep them up forever. They are a business and moving you to their next system is their goal to make money. The same things with Windows XP, its licensing servers will not be online forever either and you can bet anything they will never release a patch to auto activate XP, they want you on 7 8 or 9. MS has also NEVER said they WILL patch the XB1 if the system ever does go down. STEAM on the other hand HAS stated that right from its start.

I can bet they will, only if consumers vote that they are OK with publishers holding the rights to your games that you bought. If you dont vote for that kind of system it wont happen again in the future.

Edited by zeroomegazx, Jun 12 2013, 3:22pm :

zeroomegazx said,
Because the XB1 requires 24 hour or 1 hour online checks to play your games, one day 10-20 years from now when MS or EA (etc) shut down their servers you wont be able to turn it on and play your collection, i.e. an atari or nintendo.

I remember these SAME exact arguments against Steam when it was first released. Now, 10 years later peole are fine with it. You in particular say you're a frequent user of Steam. To at the same time cite the same exact concerns with respect to the Xbox One makes you a pretty big hypocrite in my eyes. You're doing nothing but spreading FUD here.

ModernMech said,

I remember these SAME exact arguments against Steam when it was first released. Now, 10 years later peole are fine with it. You in particular say you're a frequent user of Steam. To at the same time cite the same exact concerns with respect to the Xbox One makes you a pretty big hypocrite in my eyes. You're doing nothing but spreading FUD here.

Sure except the upside of Steam is that you get these games dirt cheap. And even if Steam abandons them you can surely dig up a crack, what would you do on a locked down console?

No doubt there will be people that will never care about or be affected by this, the majority probably. I can't get behind it though, I think I'm just a bitter PC gamer.

IgorP said,

Sure except the upside of Steam is that you get these games dirt cheap.

I see this argument constantly, and I can't believe anyone who's actually used this line of reasoning has used xbox live. There are sales *all the time* on Xbox live, discounting games 25%, 50%, 75% off [1][2][3]. On top of that, there are sales you can get at Amazon and many other retailers any day of the week on brand new games.

Further, cheap games have absolutely no logical relationship to the question of whether DRM and phone-home requirements are acceptable. If you think DRM is fine on Steam but bad on Xbox One, you're justing using the "cheap games" excuse to reconcile your own illogical bias.

[1] http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...ace-black-friday-week-sales
[2] http://trendygamers.com/2012/1...s-on-over-30-games-and-dlc/
[3] http://www.1up.com/news/holiday-sales-coming-xbox-livea

I don't think you've ever used Steam if you think that those sales are comparable. Steam also implements DRM differently. It does not require logging in every 24 hours, you ARE able to play offline.

Steam, for me, has a good balance of convenience and price vs. DRM restrictions. This is the relationship between cheap games and DRM. If I'm buying/renting a product with more restrictions I expect to pay less for it.

Only time will tell of course but Xbox Live will become a monopoly for Xbox game sales and then what will drive game prices down?

Microsofts PR team REALLY should be fired how they've handled the X-Bone. someother guy said something like if people don't like it, they should stay with the 360

He's not really defending anything though.

"We believe in a digital shift, so we're going to stop you playing used games NOW!"

He's talking crap

'in the long run' .. why hurt us now for something thats going to happen in the future... it would be much less of a PR nightmare if they said this when the digital shift happened and it wasn't physically possible to play a used game.

Coming from PC gaming, I prefer digital version. I can get the game on the day of release, rather than waiting couple days or get to the store to get the disc for it.

I lost many games because the disc's gone bad, and for some I don't even remember where I put them.

Every man and his dog understands the Steam model, and it's cheaper, can play offline, lots of sales and pre-launch offers etc.

Seems to be that MS has chosen the worst of both worlds, either have the freedom of the traditional model or the convenience of the online model, they've done the opposite!

What I don't get is that the way games are handled (physical, downloadable etc) on the 360 already works well and is established, why not roll with it?

i'm with you there - why not just keep it the same as w/ the 360? focus on shifting gamers to digital, sure, but there's a lot of us that rely on used games.

for instance, i've gone all-digital w/ my PC games b/c i do the majority of my gaming there. however, there's always those few console exclusives that i'd like to play. i dont, however, want to spend extra money on a new copy when i can get it cheaper used from Gamestop, or whatever store.

Jdawg683 said,
i'm with you there - why not just keep it the same as w/ the 360? focus on shifting gamers to digital, sure, but there's a lot of us that rely on used games.

for instance, i've gone all-digital w/ my PC games b/c i do the majority of my gaming there. however, there's always those few console exclusives that i'd like to play. i dont, however, want to spend extra money on a new copy when i can get it cheaper used from Gamestop, or whatever store.

you can still buy / sell used games. The restriction is not being able to lend a game, you have to transfer the license. silly restriction it is, but the used game market is still there..

As someone who has been part of Steam since day 1, and someone who has owned every console, I do not want DRM on my Consoles. Steam is handy for PC users and is more accepted due to the lower prices. Steam also allows most games to be installed on AS MANY PC's AS I WANT, not 5 Xbox Ones. I could deal with the DRM on the XBO for digital sale games but Disc based games should have free reign. The Discs on the XBO are really nothing more than use once Keys for the digital copies which helps save on bandwidth but makes the Discs useless otherwise. As someone who used to lend games out to friends and vice versa I find the lack of being able to do so, along with MS acting as big brother every 1 - 24 hours to make sure you are behaving ridiculous. Publishers have pushed this policy and won MS over with $$ so that their bottoms lines can *increase* but they really won't. They spend too much on AAA titles now adays that everyone MUST be a super success in order to recoup costs.

If the XBO is successful we are telling companies we are OK with this kind of intrusive annoying anti-consumer bullcrap. I buy every game new and keep just about all of them but I understand there are those you aren't in their mid 20's and higher who can't afford buying brand new games all the time. Heck one of the best times in gaming for me was being able to go back and get games from older systems I couldn't afford when i was younger. Not only is that going to be impossible now adays, but when the Xbox 4 comes out and XBO goes into the sunset playing games on the console will no longer be possible. This is the FIRST system that will never be RETRO or be able to be played 10 years after its retired. Thats something I do not want to see with any other console EVER. You people need to stop blindly supporting MS with this whether you Like Steam or not. This is BAD for the CONSOLE market, this isnt the PC market. Its going to ruin the gaming that we have all come to love.

zeroomegazx said,
But I can play that disc on any PSX, PS2, or PS3 without having to call Microsoft and explain why. Just like a cartridge.
lol i should hope so as Microsoft would laugh if you called about a psx ps2 or ps3. Sorry.

Really? You are questioning now if optical media is analog. I don't think you really know what they mean.

They are talking about delivery. If you noticed the trend, even laptops are ditching optical drives because mostly everthing is going through digital delivery via means of cloud and download services. Streaming movies is a form of digital delivery, when you install a game or app on your smartphone, that is digital delivery.

I guess xbox one is the first system I won't be "collecting" games for.... have an archive of games all the way back starting with the atari 2600... use to buy games cheap on ebay years after they where out... this almost makes that impossible to just "collect" games anymore... I still want to know what happens after MS shuts down the xbox division or something else? what if they pull a windows live messenger type action in the future and just say "on date xxx xbox one will no longer be supported, you will not longer be able to sync the system every 24 hours. games will no longer be playable at this point" or something else like that....

heck I still play old atari games decades after they where out... starting to think XBOX One will be the first system I cant do that with...

Exactly, they retain ultimate control, as I said, Stockholm Syndrome on Neowin overcomes even the most valid arguments. There are some good things about Xbone that don't outweigh the negatives, for anyone who cares to look. Things will unfold much like RT, many people will unwittingly buy only to discover later they don't like it and word will spread, THAT is the critical point that will determine sales momentum for both hardware and software. The public eventually wises up, Microsoft is just hoping it's not enough to force their hand.

neufuse said,
I guess xbox one is the first system I won't be "collecting" games for.... have an archive of games all the way back starting with the atari 2600... use to buy games cheap on ebay years after they where out... this almost makes that impossible to just "collect" games anymore... I still want to know what happens after MS shuts down the xbox division or something else? what if they pull a windows live messenger type action in the future and just say "on date xxx xbox one will no longer be supported, you will not longer be able to sync the system every 24 hours. games will no longer be playable at this point" or something else like that....

heck I still play old atari games decades after they where out... starting to think XBOX One will be the first system I cant do that with...

It's not exactly like messenger because you don't own anything within it.. in this situation, which is so far into the future it's pointless even thinking about, they surely will have something in place to allow you to still play games in an offline situation.

neufuse said,
I guess xbox one is the first system I won't be "collecting" games for.... have an archive of games all the way back starting with the atari 2600... use to buy games cheap on ebay years after they where out... this almost makes that impossible to just "collect" games anymore... I still want to know what happens after MS shuts down the xbox division or something else? what if they pull a windows live messenger type action in the future and just say "on date xxx xbox one will no longer be supported, you will not longer be able to sync the system every 24 hours. games will no longer be playable at this point" or something else like that....

heck I still play old atari games decades after they where out... starting to think XBOX One will be the first system I cant do that with...

I wouldn't buy a PS4 either then if collecting is your goal.. sure, this next year may have some media, but download is inevitable, it reduces costs and removes an expensive and wasteful process.

I collect memories, not games.. I used to collect console and stuff like that but have since stopped bothering. Stuff is stuff.

we want publishers to get paid for the great IP they work on.

They do get paid when I purchase the game. What he meant to say was ...

publishers want to get paid for the great IP they work on, multiple times. We said ok


This pretty much echoes what I keep saying here in that people on the internet are loud and somehow think they know the market more that companies like Microsoft who capture hard data. Most people just plain wont care about the new policies.


We want retailers to be able to drive and sell our products and make a profit.

Will this not make retailers go out of business?? I doubt many people are going to go to a shop for a code when they can just sit at home and browse/download directly from Microsoft.

exotoxic said,

Will this not make retailers go out of business?? I doubt many people are going to go to a shop for a code when they can just sit at home and browse/download directly from Microsoft.

The retailers have to sell the hardware still. And who knows, maybe discs will just be for special editions/limited editions of games that give you extra stuff for a higher price.

You may doubt it but it already happens. If you go to WalMart, they have a small section just for digital merchandise in the form of cards you buy. Most are still related to things like Microsoft Points or various game currencies but you can also buy things like World of Warcraft digital download.

Or as a form of verification (which is *exactly* the case with the disc version of SimCity 2013 - the files on the disc contain the Origin client, but otherwise points to the service as a background task) - which makes all sorts of sense.

ILikeTobacco said,
You may doubt it but it already happens. If you go to WalMart, they have a small section just for digital merchandise in the form of cards you buy. Most are still related to things like Microsoft Points or various game currencies but you can also buy things like World of Warcraft digital download.

Taht's right, retail can still sell codes at lower prices for digital content and for in-game points and all sorts of other stuff. That kinda opens up the market for other ways to get sales on content going.

nik louch said,
"we believe digital is better"
CD/DVD is also digital, you realise?

CD\DVD are physical object with digital content. All digital means you have no reason to buy a physical disc.

Games on discs are usually cheaper than digital downloads, but once you install the game you have no need for the physical disc. It removes the inherited flaw of discs that they are physical objects that can be easily broken or lost but maintains it's two biggest positives (convenience to people on slow connections and pricing). Less physical authentication (the disc) and more digital authentication (DRM). There are negatives to this which have been pointed out enough already but the positives are worth it for me personally. But as always people don't like change and in some cases the negatives are very large (people with no internet).

xWhiplash said,
It is still digital. You need a physical object to get stuff from the internet (Modem, Routers, ...).

Woooooooooshhhhhhh...

Gaffney said,
Games on discs are usually cheaper than digital downloads, but once you install the game you have no need for the physical disc. It removes the inherited flaw of discs that they are physical objects that can be easily broken or lost but maintains it's two biggest positives (convenience to people on slow connections and pricing). Less physical authentication (the disc) and more digital authentication (DRM). There are negatives to this which have been pointed out enough already but the positives are worth it for me personally. But as always people don't like change and in some cases the negatives are very large (people with no internet).

I thought it was the other way around? It costs a fair amount of money to make the disc, put the content on it, make the case, print the artwork, ship to retailer, etc. Digital download just lives on servers.

I think if people are enticed with buying the digital version for cheaper then a lot of tunes might change.

sunsetsnow said,
"Games on discs are usually cheaper than digital downloads"

When did this happen?

Steam new releases for some time now certainly.

no doubt disc's will vanish but there will always be people who like or want them the future is indeed maybe downloaded content but these restrictions are not what the user wants but just what the publishers want. Hell even the devs probably don't like this.

Most games publisher workers and game devs like games thats why they are in the industry they dont want these changes any more than the average user as they are also the average users.

Its the fat cats with the cash at the top investing that want this change the most.

That doesn't appear to be true. Everything works this way except the 8 year old consoles which are still back in the removable media age. Phone apps started working this way day one. In fact the big complaint from Android developers originally was the lack of DRM and seeing their work just ripped off in bulk.

I don't really play console games any more as I just lost interest but from an outsider looking in and reading up on all the details it seem like MS is screwing the consumer pure and simple.

The way I interpreted what he said in the article is that, most consumers don't give two s***s. They don't read up on these kind of things and just accept whatever MS or any big company tells them, which is true. So they can get away with it. Its just like the introduction of DLC on the day a new game is released, it never used to be the norm, but they found a way to introduce this to screw over and milk consumers for money. Hardcore gamers and techies complained but the vast majority of the public didn't care or understand.

With all the negative feedback they will still have record breaking sales because im sad to say the vast majority of consumers are uninformed and don't want to or care about things like this even though they should. Its nothing new and not just restricted to the console market. Its sad but its true.

Hear that, it's the point flying by, intentionally making comments to mask valid points seems to be your thing, so I'll do my best to point that out. So all license models are the same to you I guess, you're a dream customer.

Remember when game devs used to include cheats as an added bit of fun? Now they sell this to you as DLC. No one seems to mind.

Richard Cousins said,
Did you miss my point all together?

Was that directed at me? Because if so, then I surely must have.

"although only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time." This is critical. The licensing website says shared library. Is it: ONE person can use a game from my library(so max 2 concurrent users), or can I eventually have 10 players playing my games(including me) as long as every "family-member" plays different games.?

"only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time."

So, if you are my brother and live in another house, you can play my Forza game while I'm playing my other games.

amnesia- said,
"only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time."

So, if you are my brother and live in another house, you can play my Forza game while I'm playing my other games.

Yes, but can my sister play forza 5, while my brother plays call of duty, while I play RYSE? ^^ or is it only one friend at a time? the website says "any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." which seems like if I'm playing RYSE, and my brother is playing call of duty, my siter will have a problem This guy however makes it sound like I could have my whole family playing seperate games, which was how I was hoping it would work

Graimer said,
"although only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time." This is critical. The licensing website says shared library. Is it: ONE person can use a game from my library(so max 2 concurrent users), or can I eventually have 10 players playing my games(including me) as long as every "family-member" plays different games.?

It sounds like the limit is 1 per game "only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time" It says shared game not shared library. So as far as the way he said it, it seems you can in fact have 10 people playing 10 different games from your library. Just not 2 playing the same game at the same time.

Graimer said,

Yes, but can my sister play forza 5, while my brother plays call of duty, while I play RYSE? ^^ or is it only one friend at a time? the website says "any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." which seems like if I'm playing RYSE, and my brother is playing call of duty, my siter will have a problem This guy however makes it sound like I could have my whole family playing seperate games, which was how I was hoping it would work

no restriction on the number of concurrent users for different games (except for the 10 family members)

Yeah, that's how I thought and I hope it will be like this. But you see the confusion, right? ^^ The website's "...any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." is a bad choice of words. they don't say game, but library.. and "any one"(single) and not "anyone"(multiple)..

Graimer said,
Yeah, that's how I thought and I hope it will be like this. But you see the confusion, right? ^^ The website's "...any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time." is a bad choice of words. they don't say game, but library.. and "any one"(single) and not "anyone"(multiple)..

We'll get more info on this for sure, also they'll have to show us a demo of the UI and how you set which 10 people can share your library and so on. Then we'll know for sure.

Spicoli said,
Does anyone honestly want to keep their rack of discs and have to keep swapping them? Is it next to the rack of VHS movies? People are going to complain no matter what.

Twenty years from now, when probably I will not be around, people will realize that the so called "digital age" is in reality the " age of ripping customers of all their rights".... I am not referring specifically about games, just in general terms. Consider eBooks: I want to buy a book in French that is not available on the US market; I cannot go and buy it on amazon.fr because even if I opened a "local" account my computer, phone or other device is locked to my original market.

Fritzly said,

I cannot go and buy it on amazon.fr because even if I opened a "local" account my computer, phone or other device is locked to my original market.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but 20 years ago you probably had to fly to france to buy your book so there's no difference.

LegendaryRamzi said,

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but 20 years ago you probably had to fly to france to buy your book so there's no difference.


Twenty years ago, as well as today, I can contact a local store and have the book shipped. Twenty years from now with no physical books available YOU will not be able to do it. And yes I see that you do not "catch" the broader picture....

jakem1 said,
I'd rather download games. It's easier and faster.

Not in my experience, have you tried download add-ons on launch day? - how much worse will it be downloading complete games?

Uplift said,

Not in my experience, have you tried download add-ons on launch day? - how much worse will it be downloading complete games?

If they're pre-loaded the day before, it's not so bad.

jakem1 said,
I'd rather download games. It's easier and faster.

I d rather decide myself what to do with my console but well .. sometimes it is easier to obey commands

What about people with slow internet speeds? Data caps? Or military people abroad with no access to the internet?

My internet speed is 4.8mbps. Games will only get bigger as textures improve, so you're looking at over 15GB per game, easily.

Yeah, what about people with 56k? 500MB Data caps? People who play in a 15" SDTV?

Technology evolves. Internet becomes as much as a requirement as electricity. Don't have internet? Don't buy an Xbox One, using the same logic as why people who have no electricity don't buy electric appliances.

Oh, and I'm going for the PS4, mostly due to the trade/used game DRM. But that doesn't mean I don't comprehend what MS is going for.

Seketh said,
Yeah, what about people with 56k? 500MB Data caps? People who play in a 15" SDTV?

Technology evolves. Internet becomes as much as a requirement as electricity. Don't have internet? Don't buy an Xbox One, using the same logic as why people who have no electricity don't buy electric appliances.

Oh, and I'm going for the PS4, mostly due to the trade/used game DRM. But that doesn't mean I don't comprehend what MS is going for.

Then those people can't watch YouTube and it must be a pain to Facebook. Smh.
Plus I'm sure the check can be don't over 56k modem.

MS has blundered the PR for this in a major way. For those of us who are steam gamers, we have an offline mode which doesn't require us to check in. If they had just created an offline mode for the XBox One, where the game couldn't be installed or run anywhere else unless the user account the game was tied to authorized releasing it, they wouldn't have this problem. Keep the one active copy for online play and this whole PR nightmare would have been resolved. They are really ruining the XBox brand.

It works exactly the same as the Steam offline mode except the checked out license expires after 24 hours. That avoids all the customer service issues of having to clear licenses. If for some reason the license can't be cleared, you just have to wait a day. Even my photoshop license works that way.

Drewidian said,
MS has blundered the PR for this in a major way. For those of us who are steam gamers, we have an offline mode which doesn't require us to check in. If they had just created an offline mode for the XBox One, where the game couldn't be installed or run anywhere else unless the user account the game was tied to authorized releasing it, they wouldn't have this problem. Keep the one active copy for online play and this whole PR nightmare would have been resolved. They are really ruining the XBox brand.

Steam doesn't let you link and share your library with friends does it? You guys need to look at the whole service itself and not just nitpick parts of it. The check is done specifically because of the added sharing features that you now have. If you didn't have that then there would be a "offline mode" because you couldn't get the installed game off of your hdd anyways other than uinstalling it and then reinstalling it on another system with the same account.

GP007 said,

Steam doesn't let you link and share your library with friends does it? You guys need to look at the whole service itself and not just nitpick parts of it. The check is done specifically because of the added sharing features that you now have. If you didn't have that then there would be a "offline mode" because you couldn't get the installed game off of your hdd anyways other than uinstalling it and then reinstalling it on another system with the same account.


Exactly. There are a lot of benefits people just want to ignore... Some just seem to want to complain.

GP007 said,

Steam doesn't let you link and share your library with friends does it? You guys need to look at the whole service itself and not just nitpick parts of it. The check is done specifically because of the added sharing features that you now have. If you didn't have that then there would be a "offline mode" because you couldn't get the installed game off of your hdd anyways other than uinstalling it and then reinstalling it on another system with the same account.


Exactly. There are a lot of benefits people just want to ignore... Some just seem to want to complain.

Actually users will benefit most as they can still play their game when they lose or break their disc. Also you can share the game with your family.

Gaffney said,
Actually users will benefit most as they can still play their game when they lose or break their disc. Also you can share the game with your family.

Exactly. And don't even have to go to the store on day of release to get a game they want...

but let's be imature a

Gaffney said,
Actually users will benefit most as they can still play their game when they lose or break their disc. Also you can share the game with your family.

Exactly. And don't even have to go to the store on day of release to get a game they want...

but let's be immature and ignore any of the benefits...

The truth of the matter is that Publishers will have similar DRM on the PS4, you just won't get any of the benefit...

I've got nothing against this. As long as game prices don't take a hike because of a new era of consoles, I'm happy. I don't want to be paying $120 AUD a game.

Xbox or Playstation - I'm neutral. They will both be great platforms, and I can't wait to see them in action (don't expect much difference between them game-wise to be honest).

It's a pitty that in the area I'm currently in, ADSL 1 speeds are the best I can get. I would have to start downloading games in the morning to play them at night. That's the only reason I prefer physical media at the moment.

I was not joking with "developers, developers..." - DRM is for them (for as in for and against).

68k said,
Developers, developers, developers, developers... that's who will benefit most from this.

I see what you did there!

I haven't gone to a store for a newly released game for years, probably not even in the entire 360 era. There's a thing called online retail stores... and because there's lots of them, they have to compete for the best prices with pre-orders.
Now, if Microsoft switched to a digital only system, they control the prices. There will be no pre-order offers. You will pay £59.99 to get your game. And if it's a pile of rubbish you can't return it or trade it in. You just blew £59.99 and can't do squat about it.

Enjoy your Xbone, M_Lyons10.

Are people forgetting that PS4 like PS3 will have digital (downloadable) games... AS WELL as disks. All about having a CHOICE.

Ever have media become unreadable (for any number of reasons, including reader failure)? It happens to consoles, PCs, etc. - it even happened in the bad old cartridge days. While Steam doesn't let you *share* your library, how many games include refer-a-friend (primarily F2P, such as DOTA 2)? And you have access to your entire Steam library on any PC (or even Mac for MacPlay titles) simply by signing in. (I have not installed Origin on my *Hack* yet - if it works the same for cross-platform titles (such as the current version of SimCity) then the two services are identical in that way. It would, in fact, make sense.)

Mambo Boy said,
I haven't gone to a store for a newly released game for years, probably not even in the entire 360 era. There's a thing called online retail stores... and because there's lots of them, they have to compete for the best prices with pre-orders.
Now, if Microsoft switched to a digital only system, they control the prices. There will be no pre-order offers. You will pay £59.99 to get your game. And if it's a pile of rubbish you can't return it or trade it in. You just blew £59.99 and can't do squat about it.

Enjoy your Xbone, M_Lyons10.

You do not know that. With a all digital system there could easily be trial periods for all games unlike with a store bought game that you will be lucky at best anyways to get them to give a full refund which if you do will be store credit and not a real refund.

68k said,
I've got nothing against this. As long as game prices don't take a hike because of a new era of consoles, I'm happy. I don't want to be paying $120 AUD a game.

Xbox or Playstation - I'm neutral. They will both be great platforms, and I can't wait to see them in action (don't expect much difference between them game-wise to be honest).

It's a pitty that in the area I'm currently in, ADSL 1 speeds are the best I can get. I would have to start downloading games in the morning to play them at night. That's the only reason I prefer physical media at the moment.

I was not joking with "developers, developers..." - DRM is for them (for as in for and against).

You can play while the game is downloading in progress.

68k said,
Developers, developers, developers, developers... that's who will benefit most from this.

Saying the developers benefit the most here is like saying your caddy benefits the most when you score a hole in one.

Hmmmm no thanks. Also thanks to MS, digital sales will lose appeal, now everybody really knows that in both consoles if you don't own the disk you are not owner of the game at all.

Arceles said,
Hmmmm no thanks. Also thanks to MS, digital sales will lose appeal, now everybody really knows that in both consoles if you don't own the disk you are not owner of the game at all.

And how exactly are you not the owner of the game??

Arceles said,
Hmmmm no thanks. Also thanks to MS, digital sales will lose appeal, now everybody really knows that in both consoles if you don't own the disk you are not owner of the game at all.

You are gullibly simple headed my friend. Wow... as if now people will demand a disk now and request all apps they purchased to be shipped in disk. Yes you are a genius.

I think not having a physical copy or it being tied directly to a server is a bad idea. As soon as it's not profitable for the company you'll no longer have access to your game. Look at Sim City, Diablo 3 & Onlive, you probably won't be able to play any of them in 3-5 years.

fmanchu said,
I think not having a physical copy or it being tied directly to a server is a bad idea. As soon as it's not profitable for the company you'll no longer have access to your game. Look at Sim City, Diablo 3 & Onlive, you probably won't be able to play any of them in 3-5 years.
you do realise battle.net has been going for like 15+years and u can still play starcraft and diablo 2 and **** on them

Arceles said,
Hmmmm no thanks. Also thanks to MS, digital sales will lose appeal, now everybody really knows that in both consoles if you don't own the disk you are not owner of the game at all.

If your disc gets scratched, u lose.
If your disc gets broken, u lose
If your disc gets stolen, u lose
If you lent out ur discs, you will have to wait until your friend gives it back, u lose
If you lent out ur disc and forgot who u lent it to, u lose
If your console and games gets stolen, u lose

With microsofts approach, you don't suffer none of the above. Digital is good. Don't act like its the worst thing

fmanchu said,
I think not having a physical copy or it being tied directly to a server is a bad idea. As soon as it's not profitable for the company you'll no longer have access to your game. Look at Sim City, Diablo 3 & Onlive, you probably won't be able to play any of them in 3-5 years.

Yes, because Microsoft doesn't have a history of supporting things well past their lives or anything... *sigh*

ctrl_alt_delete said,

If your disc gets scratched, u lose.
If your disc gets broken, u lose
If your disc gets stolen, u lose
If you lent out ur discs, you will have to wait until your friend gives it back, u lose
If you lent out ur disc and forgot who u lent it to, u lose
If your console and games gets stolen, u lose

With microsofts approach, you don't suffer none of the above. Digital is good. Don't act like its the worst thing

If your internet connection is gone - you lose
If MS server are gone - you lose
if you password is hacked - you lose
if your account is locked - you lose
if you are on a ship - you lose
if you are at the frontline - you lose
if you are in a internet restricted area - you lose

-adrian- said,

If your internet connection is gone - you lose
If MS server are gone - you lose
if you password is hacked - you lose
if your account is locked - you lose
if you are on a ship - you lose
if you are at the frontline - you lose
if you are in a internet restricted area - you lose

Desperate much?

bviktor said,

Desperate much?


no - just showing that cherry picking of arguments is mainly stupid since there is no argument that would support this behaviour out of customers view.

Well for me digital is the way to go. I have never been hacked and I have had a xbox live account since the 360 was released. I have lost countless disc to scratches and I even was robbed once and my collection of about 30+ games were stolen along with the consoles now easily $1000+ of games and at the time a 399 system. I never saw again and some I had to go re-buy cause i was not finished with them. Had i had a xbox one it would of just been a 500 dollar system and all my games would be on the cloud waiting for me.

-adrian- said,

If your internet connection is gone - you lose
If MS server are gone - you lose
if you password is hacked - you lose
if your account is locked - you lose
if you are on a ship - you lose
if you are at the frontline - you lose
if you are in a internet restricted area - you lose

At least things i said could be real tangible loses if happen, but u came up with a whole bunch of temporary issues.

If Internet goes out: use mobile hotspot to do the check and play online if needed, wait until Internet comes back, have a friend validate it for u. Etc.
If ms server goes down: they're never down for long, maybe a couple hours which would technically have no impact on the checkin time.
If your password is hack? That would be devastation for anyone, but I think you should be telling that to Sony and it's supporters seeing that they got hacked big time.
If your account is locked, I doubt would have any effect on your console time check
If you're in a ship? Like a cruise ship? Then you should be enjoying yourself in other ways that sitting in a room playing video games
If you're at the frontlines? You should be watching yours and your fellow soldiers back than making a bunch of noise playing video games.
If you're in an Internet restricted area? Seriously? You couldn't come up with anything better? Please give me an example of an Internet restricted area where you're allowed to be playing video games. Please do tell.

A couple people up voted you but I don't think they actually had stopped to think it through.
A couple of my friends had gotten their Xbox and games stolen and I believe the Xbox one would've at least prevented some of that loss.
I've had kids damage my discs, kicked over my Xbox while a disc was running, they gave their friends my discs, I've lent out my discs and forgot who had which games. I've lent out my disc and had to wait for it back to be able to play it. So for me the Xbox one would be a very good fit.
No more lost, stolen, damaged, forgotten discs. I don't have to wait to get back my disc to play it I can just play it even if I lent out the disc.

LOL

If you're at the frontlines? You should be watching yours and your fellow soldiers back than making a bunch of noise playing video games.

hahahaha classic, ok troops ready to roll out in ten, and make sure you have your xboxONE and have logged on, there is no wifi where we are going!

you have some valid points but MS is telling us were i can buy used games from, how is this competition, im not a new game buying, ill wait till the price comes down and look for the cheapest option. Yes 75% people with a xbox will have a good enough internet connection, so the log on once every 24hr shouldn't be a problem, but i really don't see the point in this. Please explain to me the reason and how it helps me.

"we believe digital is better"
Yeah for you.

"We do want to support everyone in that system"
Apart from people in developing countries/little to no internet, people who rent games and people who lend games.

Looks like Microsoft are fully committed to their course. Good luck.

"Yeah for you"
And anyone that has ever enjoyed Steam (SPOILER: a lot of people)

"Apart from people in developing countries/little to no internet, people who rent games and people who lend games."
So I think the key term they used is "want" obviously going digital is going to not work for everyone, but for the majority it does.

the better twin said,
"we believe digital is better"
Yeah for you.

"We do want to support everyone in that system"
Apart from people in developing countries/little to no internet, people who rent games and people who lend games.

Looks like Microsoft are fully committed to their course. Good luck.


How is digital "worse" for you? LOL

The guy just clarified that you can share your entire Xbox game library online with anyone in the country and people are still cursing them? LOL.

Up to 10 people in the world can be added to your account shares and have full access to your game library on any Xbox One. That's pretty damn generous.

According to him, a "family member" doesn't actually have to live in your house - they could be 3,000 miles away - and you'll be able to link/add Xbox Live accounts to access your shared game library, although only one person can play a copy of a shared game at the same time.

It should be obvious, but either way Microsoft will suffer a large loss of sales over this, I just hope it's large enough force change. This benefits Microsoft and co only, not the consumer, but I do enjoy watching the Stockholm syndrome on Neowin.

Sony just played it safe here. By sticking with the tried and true system. But he's right here, in terms of moving the industry forward Digital Distribution is the way to go. Sony's just afraid to take that leap. Microsoft course should have communicated this is in a better way and made the policies a bit lenient to start with.

InformedPoster said,
"Yeah for you"
And anyone that has ever enjoyed Steam (SPOILER: a lot of people)

From what I remember steam has an offline mode and you play your library offline (obviously without multiplayer or whatnot) but it works.

InformedPoster said,
"Yeah for you"
And anyone that has ever enjoyed Steam (SPOILER: a lot of people)

"Apart from people in developing countries/little to no internet, people who rent games and people who lend games."
So I think the key term they used is "want" obviously going digital is going to not work for everyone, but for the majority it does.

I wish people would stop making this comparison. This is NOT Steam. It's not the same at all. Once consoles go all digital there will be only ONE marketplace on each platform where you can get games. No competition means prices will go up.

Steam has many competitors and because PC's aren't closed platforms new competitors can pop up at will.

Avatar Roku said,
The guy just clarified that you can share your entire Xbox game library online with anyone in the country and people are still cursing them? LOL.

Up to 10 people in the world can be added to your account shares and have full access to your game library on any Xbox One. That's pretty damn generous.

The thing is a lot of people don't know this because all the FUD that's going around seems to leave this piece of info out. I'll be getting an Xbox one and I know exactly why.

ctrl_alt_delete said,

The thing is a lot of people don't know this because all the FUD that's going around seems to leave this piece of info out. I'll be getting an Xbox one and I know exactly why.

If I give you a chocolate bar with one hand and slap you with the other, you shouldn't complain about the slap because I "generously" gave you the chocolate bar...

My point is, Microsoft is a business and as much as they say that they are, they're not doing anything for the benefit of consumers. They're all about the bottom line, and they're trying to squeeze as much money out of each person as they can.

They've devised a system that they obviously feel will work in their favour. We should rightfully resist the parts that do not work in ours.

Steam has competitors (both digital and physical) so it has to have sales and big discounts to maintain it's userbase. It the Xbone goes digital, it has ZERO competitors on that platform. They can charge whatever they want, and if they are working in coheets with publishers you can bet they will charge pretty much full RRP like the stubborn EA do with Origin.

You simple can not compare Xbones digital system with Steams. There's no comparison.

Avatar Roku said,
The guy just clarified that you can share your entire Xbox game library online with anyone in the country and people are still cursing them? LOL.

Up to 10 people in the world can be added to your account shares and have full access to your game library on any Xbox One. That's pretty damn generous.

Yeah, if it turns out that you can place non-family members on that list of 10, I would say that this is better then being able to borrow a disk from a friend.

You don't own your title anyways. Read your TERMS you will see. Digital will lead to rentals, time limited play, etc. There are benefits to a Digital Only Format because it can be more controlled and with that control it can lead to more options for the consumer.

I'm really impressed that people are actually surprised and outraged when a for-profit company doesn't provide full support for something they get next to no money from. It's like complaining about you not being allowed to "lend" your iTunes music library to your friend.

Mambo Boy said,
...It the Xbone goes digital, it has ZERO competitors on that platform.

I've read in numerous articles that every PS4 game will be available digitally too.

IgorP said,

If I give you a chocolate bar with one hand and slap you with the other, you shouldn't complain about the slap because I "generously" gave you the chocolate bar...

My point is, Microsoft is a business and as much as they say that they are, they're not doing anything for the benefit of consumers. They're all about the bottom line, and they're trying to squeeze as much money out of each person as they can.

They've devised a system that they obviously feel will work in their favour. We should rightfully resist the parts that do not work in ours.

If the conditions are I get slapped if I took your chocolate bar, then I can't complain.

I think if Microsoft creates an online marketplace for used games, rentals and selling buying used games then all this nonsense talk would be over because that way would be way more convenient for everyone. They could even take 20 or 30% off the sale like how they and apple do with their mobile markets. Even if I buy a used game for $40 it would still be cheaper than buying it for $54 at GameStop.

They could also (which I doubt) raise the limit from 24 to 48 hours. It usually takes 3 days to beat a game anyway. So those who're trying to pirate will get stuck and have to connect before they could beat the game.

ctrl_alt_delete said,

If the conditions are I get slapped if I took your chocolate bar, then I can't complain.

I think if Microsoft creates an online marketplace for used games, rentals and selling buying used games then all this nonsense talk would be over because that way would be way more convenient for everyone. They could even take 20 or 30% off the sale like how they and apple do with their mobile markets. Even if I buy a used game for $40 it would still be cheaper than buying it for $54 at GameStop.

They could also (which I doubt) raise the limit from 24 to 48 hours. It usually takes 3 days to beat a game anyway. So those who're trying to pirate will get stuck and have to connect before they could beat the game.

Haha, fair enough. I guess the flaw in the analogy is that I have no interest in giving you the chocolate bar. Microsoft however NEEDS customers to buy their console so it should really be more of a negotiation. What you say is true though, people should vote with their wallets.

The two issues you mention aren't the only problems with Microsoft's policy.

Also all this talk of piracy is a distraction. The PS3 took years to be hacked and even when it was, it was only good for one firmware version. How many lost game sales do you really think they had? The Xbox 360 didn't do as well, but it's obviously possible to lock the system down well enough to prevent it.

These measures are about weaning us all onto digital distribution and off of the concept of ownership because why should they sell us something that they can rent to us instead?

This is just the horrible Cable TV model transferred to video games.

the better twin said,

Ha if you are so "clueless" as to not understand the change in ownership from disc based gaming to fully digital gaming then there is no hope for you.

http://uk.gamespot.com/e3/micr...ership-is-morphing-6409910/
http://www.escapistmagazine.co...-and-the-Death-of-Ownership
http://www.eurogamer.net/artic...hip-and-expects-us-to-smile

Oh get off it. You're taking the condescension path, which means, if pressed, you probably wouldn't be able to present a coherent argument in favor of physical ownership of video games. People who wave the flag of ownership are so high on empty principles and fluffy speech that they can't express their opinions in any other way.

I would absolutely hate for gaming to be evolved in the interests of people who think of games as 'things' to be possessed.

Steam has sales which are fantastic value for money opportunities - Microsoft seems to offer many digital purchases at full RRP, even years after launch. Physical copies depreciate in value, digital remains static.

Aergan said,
Steam has sales which are fantastic value for money opportunities - Microsoft seems to offer many digital purchases at full RRP, even years after launch. Physical copies depreciate in value, digital remains static.

This is true only when the marketplace is a monopoly. That's why Steam has to have sales all the time, because they have real competitors on that space. The issue isn't physical vs. digital.

Joshie said,

Oh get off it. You're taking the condescension path, which means, if pressed, you probably wouldn't be able to present a coherent argument in favor of physical ownership of video games. People who wave the flag of ownership are so high on empty principles and fluffy speech that they can't express their opinions in any other way.

I would absolutely hate for gaming to be evolved in the interests of people who think of games as 'things' to be possessed.


Lol through that entire "fluffy speech" you failed to present a single coherent argument against physical ownership. Pretty ironic.
So its a bad thing to actually own something now is it without having to worry about companies revoking access at the drop of a hat? Some people will defend anything.

the better twin said,

Lol through that entire "fluffy speech" you failed to present a single coherent argument against physical ownership. Pretty ironic.
So its a bad thing to actually own something now is it without having to worry about companies revoking access at the drop of a hat? Some people will defend anything.

Really? You're going to do that thing where you take what someone says, extend it to an illogical extreme, and then accuse them of believing the extreme? I'm open to discussion, not politicking. If you'd be interested in participating, let me know.

Aergan said,
Steam has sales which are fantastic value for money opportunities - Microsoft seems to offer many digital purchases at full RRP, even years after launch. Physical copies depreciate in value, digital remains static.

Xbox live games go on sale all the time. You're full of it. Microsoft is even giving older games away for free now.

gawicks said,
Sony just played it safe here. By sticking with the tried and true system. But he's right here, in terms of moving the industry forward Digital Distribution is the way to go. Sony's just afraid to take that leap. Microsoft course should have communicated this is in a better way and made the policies a bit lenient to start with.

please look up and research the "psp go" and then look back at what you said. Sony is afraid of it, because they failed with it once already.

M_Lyons10 said,

Fancy links... So can I assume they did all of your thinking for you? What little of that occurred anyway...
The links were for you to educate yourself about a concept you clearly have very little grasp of but seeing as you are simply resorting to personal attacks I can see how futile it is to even bother. Try growing up first, then we can have a discussion about the merits of digital distribution vs retail. Thanks.

Why would they want to lock up the Xbox? People are not using Xbox as a PC, I suggest Microsoft stop doing that.

We have to connected to the net even if we plays single player?

the better twin said,
The links were for you to educate yourself about a concept you clearly have very little grasp of but seeing as you are simply resorting to personal attacks I can see how futile it is to even bother. Try growing up first, then we can have a discussion about the merits of digital distribution vs retail. Thanks.

*I* need to grow up? LMAO My responses were mirroring your own to make a point there buddy... It was a hint about your own maturity...