Microsoft details Windows 7 SP1 plans, public beta end of July

Microsoft revealed its plans for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 today at its annual Tech-Ed conference.

Bob Muglia, President of Microsoft's server and tools business took to the stage to kick start Tech-Ed 2010 in New Orleans. Muglia detailed plans for Windows 7 SP1 which will include the usual hotfix patches and new virtualization tools in SP1 will help Windows Server 2008 R2 users prepare for cloud computing. SP1 will include RemoteFX which provides rich 3-D graphical experience for remote users. The service pack also will include a series of incremental updates, previously released on Windows Update for both Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1.

RemoteFX is a new enhancement to RDP's graphical remoting capabilities. The idea behind RemoteFX is to allow for a full remote experiences including multiple displays, Aero and multimedia streaming to all types of client devices including low cost thin clients. RemoteFX achieves this by using a technique known as host-based rendering. This technique allows for the final screen image to be rendered locally on the remote PC after being compressed and sent down to that remote host. The enhancements are expected to greatly improve video streaming across remote sessions which is currently one of the major drawbacks of virtualized computing.

Microsoft senior director Gavriella Schuster announced the beta in a blog posting on Monday. "SP1 will simply be the combination of updates already available through Windows Update and additional hotfixes based on feedback by our customers and partners. In other words, customers can feel confident about deploying Windows 7 now!"

Microsoft is planning to release a public beta of Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 by the end of July, no exact dates were given.

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I m using vista atm, n i want to clean instore another system. Is it better to instore windows 7 or a windows server 2008 R2? Is there anything that windows server 2008 R2 cant do that 7 can?

cant say what to fix in 7 other then some annoyences... hope one day they fix the file transferring speed.

it should have what we get while using ubuntu.
copy 2 gb file from one disk to other is ok, but slower then linux
copy 10000 files but of total size of 200 mb from one disk to other and see what i mean .

and not to mention the stupid calculating loop that sometimes happen when u try to copy stuff.

RemoteFX sounds awesome, definately going to use that!

Looks like they're just making Windows 7 more awesome. What idiot wouldn't use it? (joking!)

alfaaqua said,

Im waiting for Windows XP to die 100%.

So am I . And I'm also waiting for x86 to die completely too; but that's another story.

kazuyette said,

So am I . And I'm also waiting for x86 to die completely too; but that's another story.


x86 dies when Microsoft releases a x64 only version of the next Windows.
Im hoping this happens as well (eg. a x64 only version of Windows 8).
Else, it will still be x86.

alfaaqua said,

x86 dies when Microsoft releases a x64 only version of the next Windows.
Im hoping this happens as well (eg. a x64 only version of Windows 8).
Else, it will still be x86.

Windows XP was already meant to be 64bit, but consumers where still mainly on 32 bit, which is why the XP project was restarted/recoded to be 32bit.
Win2k8 is already 64bit only (could only be R2 tho). Many of the more proffesional MS services and applications can only be installed on 64bit systems.... Off all OS producers, MS has been pushing 64bit since 2000....

Both Vista and W7 are mainly made to run 64bit, IE is the first (and i think still only official) 64bit browser in consumer operating systems (yes, FF has a 64bit user version aswell, but its not a mozilla release)

Dont blaim MS for trying to maintain compatibilty, its the only major software company who actually tries to maintain as much compatibility as possible with previous generations.

Besides, if you use a 64bit vista/w7, pretty much all of MS's products have a 64bit version that installs instead of a 32bit version (exceptions on some consumer products)

Vista SP3? ya it's called Windows 7, LOL!!! so i take it if i have been installing all updates to Win 7 since release, then SP1 is rather useless to me?

Learned lesson bigtime, never doing an os again until SP1 is out. lol Windows 7 is great, don't get me wrong, but I never had so many problems with a new os before (and I used every one from MS over the years). Like this serious 0x58 bluescreen issue that affected me like every other day, that was fixed by a secret hotfix only found if search for it at the MS Support Center. That should be on windowsupdate immediately!

IntelliMoo said,
Learned lesson bigtime, never doing an os again until SP1 is out. lol Windows 7 is great, don't get me wrong, but I never had so many problems with a new os before (and I used every one from MS over the years). Like this serious 0x58 bluescreen issue that affected me like every other day, that was fixed by a secret hotfix only found if search for it at the MS Support Center. That should be on windowsupdate immediately!

thats because hotfixes are made for bugs/issues just a minority of users have... learn2use MS support center.
If 1 out of 10.000 people have the issue, why let the 9.000 people d ownload it who use windows update? when you can simply use a goddamn search?

this has been the case with MS since iirc win2k.

i never had win7 crash on me because of the OS itself, few times GFX driver of ATI who where slow updating their goddamn catalyst crap (took a few months even after RTM version fo w7) and some programs that crashed the system... have seen less BSOD's from w7 then what i g otten from winXP (vista had same ammount, 9 out of 10 BSOD's i had with vista where thanks to ATI's ****ty drivers).

if you have issues with the OS itself (clean one, not after downloading bunch of drivers, w7 GFX drivers do quite well compared to manufactures drivers, same with sound, network and pretty much every driver. unlike XP/vista) go use the goddamn support center... start > run > eventvwr and go look it up

Wonder what size it will be? (not that it matters) i`m going for 442MB

Looks like a lot of the `new` stuff is virtual machine related. Don`t know what remoteFX is, is it to do with multiple monitors and remote desktop being able to use the new interface. Is it just for Server 2008 R2 or for 7 as well?

i was hoping they could add back the function that remember each window's size and position on screen in a service pack or patch so we don't need another software to do window's job. guess not. :\ also, like someone mentioned, that refresh after delete bug is annoying as hell too.

Master1 said,
Ahh who cares about the Service Pack, Windows 7 is already good as it is, bring on the Windows 8 builds !!!

+1

IphoneMini said,
why don't instead reveal the whole plan for windows 8,or a little timeline =:

Whats the hurry? They probably haven't even got the new start up screen figured out yet.

IphoneMini said,
why don't instead reveal the whole plan for windows 8,or a little timeline =:

besides, who really needs windows eight, anyway when either Vista SP2 or Seven runs good.

s3n4te said,
Will SP1 include Aero Diamond?

Oh Christ, I can't believe there are people like you still around; I assume you believe that in the future some time Apple will release the 'marble' interface?

Funny as how you get older, news like this just doesn't excite you anymore. Before as a kid (teenage years) I would have been like "zomg must havez" this would apply to even a silly little thing like the latest MSN build.

Singh400 said,
Funny as how you get older, news like this just doesn't excite you anymore. Before as a kid (teenage years) I would have been like "zomg must havez" this would apply to even a silly little thing like the latest MSN build.

Known bug fixes are only for script-kiddies apparently. That's the main reason to upgrade. I can understand holding off until it's out of Beta, but the "I won't a apply a service pack until I have to" crowd is the flip side of the coin. Pure silliness.

As long as it can be slipstreamed I don't care very much, I know far more Vista users ATM who are *not* willing to spend money to upgrade than I do 7 users.

Angel Blue01 said,
As long as it can be slipstreamed I don't care very much, I know far more Vista users ATM who are *not* willing to spend money to upgrade than I do 7 users.

Whut?

Angel Blue01 said,
As long as it can be slipstreamed I don't care very much, I know far more Vista users ATM who are *not* willing to spend money to upgrade than I do 7 users.

Come again?

Angel Blue01 said,
As long as it can be slipstreamed I don't care very much, I know far more Vista users ATM who are *not* willing to spend money to upgrade than I do 7 users.

Why would they need to? Vista is a perfectly fine OS, as is 7. Wouldn't hurt to upgrade to 7, though. You'll get much better experience.

xiphi said,

Why would they need to? Vista is a perfectly fine OS, as is 7. Wouldn't hurt to upgrade to 7, though. You'll get much better experience.

I totally agree. There was nothing wrong with Vista. It's a more of hog than 7 but was a solid OS with a bad rep given before it had a chance.

xiphi said,

Why would they need to? Vista is a perfectly fine OS, as is 7. Wouldn't hurt to upgrade to 7, though. You'll get much better experience.

Exactly. I'm not disagreeing that 7 is better, just that for them, and me, 7 isn't worth the money

Ices_Eyes said,
RemoteFX => XTerm? Is that the idea under this?

Nope, but it touch on the subject when it comes to the Xorg where there was a move to transfer most, if not all of the work, to the client rather than it occurring on the server. The move to go from server doing the rendering to the client doing the rendering is something that has been occurring in the client/server graphics model for quite some time.

I wonder how this move will impact on thin clients? will we see thin clients in the future include beefier graphics cards?

Another annoying thing i encounter is on first start when you go over start menù and programs,icon's drawing is slow to appear. That was fine even on Vista. Nothing really bad though,just little annoyances which should be fixed.

SuperZod said,
Another annoying thing i encounter is on first start when you go over start menù and programs,icon's drawing is slow to appear. That was fine even on Vista. Nothing really bad though,just little annoyances which should be fixed.

Believe that is because the system is still loading up. I have notice that also, albeit if I wait about fifteen to twenty seconds after the by wallpaper appears that usually doesn't happen. Now that is not all the time.

Luis Mazza said,
I hope they fix the folder refresh mainly when deleting files. This is a widespread problem.

I've yet to have that problem, or see anyone else having that issue.

Luis Mazza said,
I hope they fix the folder refresh mainly when deleting files. This is a widespread problem.

I have that one too, it is quite annoying. Anyone know a solution?

xiphi said,

I've yet to have that problem, or see anyone else having that issue.

Then do your research and you will find A LOT of people having this issue. Thus, who are you in this world?

Luis Mazza said,
I hope they fix the folder refresh mainly when deleting files. This is a widespread problem.

Please explain what you mean. Not sure if I have the same problem or not. It would be nice to know what the problem is.

Luis Mazza said,
I hope they fix the folder refresh mainly when deleting files. This is a widespread problem.

I can confirm this occurs on my Windows 7 Professional x64 installation at work too. After a seemingly random amount of time has passed in the day, the desktop and other explorer folders just stop automatically refreshing themselves. It's quite annoying.

Strangely though, I don't recall this being a problem when I first installed Windows 7, it's only something I've noticed relatively recently. Do you think a recent patch has caused it?

TCLN Ryster said,

I can confirm this occurs on my Windows 7 Professional x64 installation at work too. After a seemingly random amount of time has passed in the day, the desktop and other explorer folders just stop automatically refreshing themselves. It's quite annoying.
I've had it for quite a while too. It's annoying but not enough to make me look for a solution. Just assuming it'll be fixed in SP1.
Strangely though, I don't recall this being a problem when I first installed Windows 7, it's only something I've noticed relatively recently. Do you think a recent patch has caused it?

TCLN Ryster said,

I can confirm this occurs on my Windows 7 Professional x64 installation at work too. After a seemingly random amount of time has passed in the day, the desktop and other explorer folders just stop automatically refreshing themselves. It's quite annoying.

Strangely though, I don't recall this being a problem when I first installed Windows 7, it's only something I've noticed relatively recently. Do you think a recent patch has caused it?

I don't know... I've seen this for a long time, even before Win 7 official launch. But it doesn't happen all the time, only sometimes. That's what I find really annoying because now the priority for this bug gets compromised. I hope I'm wrong though...

Luis Mazza said,

Then do your research and you will find A LOT of people having this issue. Thus, who are you in this world?


I'm a person who hasn't had this issue. That's who.

I don't know if this is a Windows 7 problem or not, but I getting pretty tired of the Nvdia video card driver crashing. I hope Sp1 fixes this.

postoasted said,
I don't know if this is a Windows 7 problem or not, but I getting pretty tired of the Nvdia video card driver crashing. I hope Sp1 fixes this.

That's a Nvdia driver problem...

postoasted said,
I don't know if this is a Windows 7 problem or not, but I getting pretty tired of the Nvdia video card driver crashing. I hope Sp1 fixes this.

I've been using Windows 7 since launch (32 and 64) on multiple systems with NVidia cards. 8600 GT, 9500 GT, and 8800 GT. I've yet to experience any crashes caused by NVidia. Your configuration (motherboard, video card, drivers, etc) are the problem. Not Windows.

postoasted said,
I don't know if this is a Windows 7 problem or not, but I getting pretty tired of the Nvdia video card driver crashing. I hope Sp1 fixes this.

Just a thought...Check the capacitor(s) between the video slots on your MB. Fixed a MB the other day that had one bulged out and another one blown. The crashes didn't happen until the card was moderately/heavily used. Usually it's the cheap 1500/2200 microfarad capacitors that cause problems.

Edited by iamwhoiam, Jun 7 2010, 3:55pm :

postoasted said,
I don't know if this is a Windows 7 problem or not, but I getting pretty tired of the Nvdia video card driver crashing. I hope Sp1 fixes this.

I'm having the same issue. It doesn't happen as often but it still happens.

torrentthief said,
native USB3 drivers would be good, wonder if it will happen or not.

like native bluetooth drivers?.

thanks but no thank.

causa45 said,
Got all updates by now, but maybe they'll include some SP only extras.. we will see.
You haven't got "all updates" at all. All you have is the released updates that have come through Windows Update. There are literally dozens of other "hotfix" type updates that are only available on request that will be rolled up into SP1. Such as the issue where corporations cannot set wallpapers on Windows 7 client machines using group policy. A hotfix was issued for this that is available on request from support.microsoft.com, it's not available through Windows Update. This update will be included in SP1.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

What stutter, not having that problem.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

I wish. Vista aero runs better for me than 7, even with latest drivers.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

lol i hate that as well,i have encountered that on every machine i've seen,EVERY!

SuperZod said,

lol i hate that as well,i have encountered that on every machine i've seen,EVERY!

Can you explain it a bit more because I don't know what you guys mean exactly.

GP007 said,

Can you explain it a bit more because I don't know what you guys mean exactly.

Some people don't notice it, but I concur with the OP. I have seen it on just about EVERY machine I've come across with 7 installed. It occurs when a window is opening or closing and it appears almost as if the animation is skipping 1/2 to 1 frame, it's very minor, but annoying. Vista does indeed seem to handle Aero better than 7. My thinking is it might have to do with the newer generation of GPU's and down clocking.

The aero animation skips a couple frames when opening and closing windows. Other animations like minimizing, restoring windows, etc , are not affected by this. Search for "Aero stutter" on Youtube, you'll see a lot of people reporting this glitch. It happened to me ever since the first beta. And like some people wrongly suggest, it's NOT due to a "crappy graphics card". It happens with my 8800GTS, 9800GTX+, Radeon HD 5770. Not exactly crappy :-/
If I have my PC powered on for a while, the problem seems to correct itself, but then introduces some tearing - most likely a Vsync issue.

I had that problem after re-installing Windows 7 on my Vostro. After running Windows Update, along with all of the optional updates, it went away; I assume it was the gfx driver that was causing it, which is why it went away when I updated everything.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

Still not seeing it. Opened and closed 15 different applications including Photoshop CS5, and still not seeing it. Running Win 7 On an iMac with 10.6.3 in Boot Camp with an ATI 4850 512 card. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones. Knock on wood.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

I didn't think this problem was so widespread. It has bothered me since I first started using Windows 7, and I hope they fix it soon.

BoneyardBrew said,

I didn't think this problem was so widespread. It has bothered me since I first started using Windows 7, and I hope they fix it soon.


I had major stuttering issues when using my 4850 in combo with an x300 for some tri-monitor action. Seemed to me to be the outdated 9.3 driver I was using. Now on the 10.5 driver (which doesn't support the X300) I have no stuttering issues.

Pharos said,
The aero animation skips a couple frames when opening and closing windows. Other animations like minimizing, restoring windows, etc , are not affected by this. Search for "Aero stutter" on Youtube, you'll see a lot of people reporting this glitch. It happened to me ever since the first beta. And like some people wrongly suggest, it's NOT due to a "crappy graphics card". It happens with my 8800GTS, 9800GTX+, Radeon HD 5770. Not exactly crappy :-/
If I have my PC powered on for a while, the problem seems to correct itself, but then introduces some tearing - most likely a Vsync issue.

If it is an area stutter then it would be a driver issue rather than Windows issue - best to upgrade to the latest drivers available direct from NVIDIA and ATI - never use the vendor drivers.

Pharos said,
I hope SP1 fixes the minor but annoying Aero stutter when closing and opening windows.

right click Computer > Advanced system settings > Advanced tab > Performance / Settings... > uncheck 'Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing'

That'll fix it

duddut2 said,
wishlist...

hyper-v usb support
Better snapshots in hyper-v
RemoteFX live upto hype

Please!!

You forgot Microsoft bugging more developers to use Device Stage and the Superbar features.

Karo - 323z IT said,
You forgot Microsoft bugging more developers to use Device Stage and the Superbar features.

QFT, and I want to see more developers to stop bundling their custom crap with drivers and simply hook into the already built in functionality - there is no reason for a wireless company to include its own wireless management tool when Windows 7 already includes one.

rawr_boy81 said,

QFT, and I want to see more developers to stop bundling their custom crap with drivers and simply hook into the already built in functionality - there is no reason for a wireless company to include its own wireless management tool when Windows 7 already includes one.

+1

Printers, Wifi devices, cameras, graphics cards.... SO annoying - in particular when someone calls wanting to know how to do something basic like connect to a wireless network and as they have some 3rd party crapware you don't have a clue! Makes you sound like a right muppet, the user gets nowhere quick and the machine is slower anyway as it loads up so much crap just to manage hardware that Windows can do natively...

stevehoot said,

+1

Printers, Wifi devices, cameras, graphics cards.... SO annoying - in particular when someone calls wanting to know how to do something basic like connect to a wireless network and as they have some 3rd party crapware you don't have a clue! Makes you sound like a right muppet, the user gets nowhere quick and the machine is slower anyway as it loads up so much crap just to manage hardware that Windows can do natively...

This should only have been an issue before zero config for XP - but they still provide the ****!

Toshiba is the worst on their laptops, its fugly, illogical connection software just doesn't make sense!

Also, bad automatic desktop icons check-box being ticked, most users dont understand (some have told me I removed app from their system because the desktop icon had been deleted - they never went into all programs before!!!)

Shouldn't really need too much tweaking, it was really good out of the box. Been using it since Nov 2008 when it was in the first beta, and haven't looked back at XP or Vista since.

Now it will be interesting to see how Mac X 10.7 will fair against Windows 7, that is the one I am now waiting for.

Pam14160 said,
Shouldn't really need too much tweaking, it was really good out of the box. Been using it since Nov 2008 when it was in the first beta, and haven't looked back at XP or Vista since.

Windows 7 was the first release of Windows I actually felt confident running as soon as it was released; the new manager in charge of Windows development hopefully will be given a bonus of some sort - he is the sort of leader required in Microsoft.

Now it will be interesting to see how Mac X 10.7 will fair against Windows 7, that is the one I am now waiting for.

I doubt we'll see some major changes when it does arrive in 2011 - many of the features added like OpenCL are very complex and specialised in the way they're used; many companies are still moving to 64bitness, and by the time there is a move to the 64bit kernel hopefully there will be more software out taking advantage of it

Btw, I'm running Creative Suite 5 right now and Photoshop, Premier Pro, Media Encoder and a few others are already 64bit - hopefully by the time CS6 is released the whole suite will be 64bit

Gutenberg said,

Vista is dead!

Until Microsoft's support ends for it, it's not dead. So this person and any other person who is running Vista has a right to ask questions like the one above. I run Windows 7 and agree it's better but some people might like Vista or can't afford to upgrade yet. They don't have to explain themselves either as to why they haven't upgraded.

Leave the Vista supporters alone.

Vista Support Goes End Of Life in 2012! Only Vista Business And Vista Enterprise Editions Support continues until 2017! As a result there likely will not be a Vista Service Pack 3, Just FYI!

kevpan815 said,
Vista Support Goes End Of Life in 2012! Only Vista Business And Vista Enterprise Editions Support continues until 2017! As a result there likely will not be a Vista Service Pack 3, Just FYI!

not accurate, kevpan815. only "mainstream" support for the home and ultimate editions of Vista will end in April 2012, but that does NOT mean they'll be "end of life" after that. only when those versions of Vista get passed the "extended support" phase date is when Vista will officially be "end of life"

And I do NOT buy the argument that there will be no Vista SP3 from you until Microsoft themselves actually say so about that.

Thiago-Gutenberg said,

Ok, let me correct, Vista is dying!

but only a slow death since I have Vista SP2 installed on a Dell laptop which used to have the original release of Vista Home Basic edition.

franzon said,
Any news about Vista SP3?

Vista is a overlapped product so, while legally is not dead but in the real world is a not even considered as a active product.

I think an update rollup would be sufficient for Vista. Something that doesn't require end-user interaction to get installed through Windows Update.

franzon said,
Any news about Vista SP3?

I have a feeling that like Windows XP which stopped at SP3, and Windows 2000 which stopped at SP4, that with Windows Vista it'll stop at SP2 and you'll have the updates spluttered out as they become available.

As for the Windows 7 boosters; yes it has been out for under a year, and there are many people who are unable to upgrade from Windows Vista to Windows 7 for a variety of reasons. If this was a Windows XP poster than I'd jump onboard the bashing bandwagon but the person is talking about Windows Vista which is only a couple of years hold - hardly ancient software in my books.

Can't wait. I've been wanting to get a go with RemoteFX ever since it was announced, so can't wait to be able to try playing my HD video across an RDP connection!

badblood said,
Can't wait. I've been wanting to get a go with RemoteFX ever since it was announced, so can't wait to be able to try playing my HD video across an RDP connection!

this is the biggest thing for me! RDP is already the best remote control out there, this will just stomp VLC and all the other pieces of crap out there

badblood said,
Can't wait. I've been wanting to get a go with RemoteFX ever since it was announced, so can't wait to be able to try playing my HD video across an RDP connection!

As I understand from this site: http://blogs.technet.com/b/vir...ing-microsoft-remotefx.aspx, only Windows Server will get RemoteFX hosting and not Windows 7. Windows 7 will only get a client that is capable of doing this. I am disappointed by this, since I often use RDP to connect to my desktop from anywhere.