Microsoft gets cease and desist letter from Google over YouTube Windows Phone app

Microsoft's relaunch of its own YouTube app for Windows Phone devices last week has now gotten the attention of Google's team of lawyers. A cease and desist letter has been sent to Microsoft from Google, demanding the removal of the YouTube app by May 22nd.

The Verge reports that Google believes that Microsoft's YouTube app violates the terms of the YouTube API. Specifically, the complaint refers to the fact that the app does not show ads inside the YouTube videos. In a statement to Neowin, Microsoft said last week that the YouTube app was developed solely by Microsoft with no input from Google.

This is just the latest in a number of battles between Microsoft and Google, which have included Microsoft's various 'Scroogled' marketing campaigns and, more recently, videos from Microsoft that mocked Google Docs. Today, Google CEO Larry Page, in a rare public appearance at the company's I/O keynote, said that he was "sad" that Microsoft had chosen to put in Google Talk support inside Outlook.com this week, claiming that Microsoft was "inter-operating with us but not doing the reverse."

It appears that Google and Microsoft are destined to maintain their state of conflict. We have emailed Microsoft to get a statement on the YouTube cease and desist order.

Source: The Verge

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Can I get something straight here. Why do I have to endure ads on the CW App on the Xbox? Why do I have to endure ads on Hulu Plus on the Xbox App. Apparently Microsoft knows how to get rid of ads on products that don't belong to them

Of course what was Microsoft thinking, developing a product targetted at a service from an advertiser and "forgot" to include adds, which is the only way the dataminer/advertiser makes any money. I support the removal of this product on my beloved WP, I can do perfectly fine without any of the services from this dataminer.

I think the only company that makes maybe more money from android is Samsung. Bing has been increasing market share constantly and is being improved on all the time and is becoming a very good search engine.

Google are walking a VERY thin legal line here. If it backfires it could destroy their entire business model and potentially the company.

In the Oracle vs Google case Google claimed (and won) the argument that APIs cannot be copyrighted. If they are now claiming the opposite, the Appeals Court might be persuaded to listen to them and overturn the Oracle ruling. If this happens, Android and Chrome are dead and Google's business model rendered useless. If they ever take Microsoft to court, Microsoft can point to statements Google themselves made in other cases. Not very clever.

Google paid $12.5 billion for Motorola which has since been seen to be less than worthless. Idiots. Just about every Android and Chrome handset manufacturer pays royalties to Microsoft because Google ripped off Microsoft's IP. Thieves. And they're losing case after case after case against Microsoft in USA, Europe and Asia. Losers. Google must be the worst managed company ever in history. Who TF is charge of these clowns?

I wish YouTube were still independent or had a strong competitor. I hate Google mucking up YouTube and now this. *sigh*

The frequency and invasiveness of ads on Youtube has gotten really bad in recent months. 30 second ads just to watch a 2 minute video, no skip option. You're lucky if you get an ad that lets you skip after 5 seconds.

Or microsoft could abide by standard TOS just like.. well. EVERYBODY else who uses youtube API's. It's really simple. The fact that microsoft did this in the first place shows their ignorance. Keep the ads and abide by the TOS and google wouldn't have said a peep.

Could you name a few Youtube apps off the top of your head that abide by Youtube's APIs (not counting Google's own apps, since they actually have access to the API)?

Enron said,
Could you name a few Youtube apps off the top of your head that abide by Youtube's APIs (not counting Google's own apps, since they actually have access to the API)?
I get what your saying. Everybody else does it so microsoft, who has millions more customers should be able too. Sure. LoL.

Rudie32 said,
Or microsoft could abide by standard TOS just like.. well. EVERYBODY else who uses youtube API's. It's really simple. The fact that microsoft did this in the first place shows their ignorance. Keep the ads and abide by the TOS and google wouldn't have said a peep.

It would be in everyone's best interest if YouTube was taken away from Google, they've done nothing but ruin the service with their progressively crappier UI overhauls every other day.

WOW I WILL SAY IT AGAIN AND PLEASE READ, MICROSOFT HAVE NEVER HAD ACCESS TO THE API, READ PEOPLE BEFORE SPURTING CRAP OUT ON THE SCREEN. IF MICROSOFT WANT OT MAKE AN APP THAT DOES NOT USE THE API GOOGLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK MICROSOFT TO TAKE DOWN THIS APP. GOOGLE HAVE JUST SET THEMSELVES UP FOR A VERY BIG ANTI COMPETIVITVE LAWSUIT.

korupt_one said,
WOW I WILL SAY IT AGAIN AND PLEASE READ, MICROSOFT HAVE NEVER HAD ACCESS TO THE API, READ PEOPLE BEFORE SPURTING CRAP OUT ON THE SCREEN. IF MICROSOFT WANT OT MAKE AN APP THAT DOES NOT USE THE API GOOGLE HAVE NO RIGHT TO ASK MICROSOFT TO TAKE DOWN THIS APP. GOOGLE HAVE JUST SET THEMSELVES UP FOR A VERY BIG ANTI COMPETIVITVE LAWSUIT.

Whoa, caps lock is cruise control for cool. Chill out kiddo.

Well, that's why I stopped using my gmail account and started using Bing more often. It's getting pathetic that it has gone this way, but in order to support the OS I use, there has to be some sacrifices made. Ideally, I still love google maps, streetview, and chrome but I'm getting pretty tired now.

That's why I don't do business with Google. They're an ad company. I wouldn't buy shoes from an ad company, why should I get computer hardware and software from an ad company?

Enron said,
That's why I don't do business with Google. They're an ad company. I wouldn't buy shoes from an ad company, why should I get computer hardware and software from an ad company?

An ad company that seems to be doing well in other markets.

Lots of companies start off with their focus on one area and branch out. I hope you dont buy any MS hardware because MS is a software company....

Edited by techbeck, May 16 2013, 1:46am :

All the stuff google produces at the end of the day goes back to advertising, all product google is a spoon to feed the advertising.

I thought the new youtube app worked too good to be true. These two companies seriously need to get a room. I'm getting damned tired of the senseless bs these two companies **** and moan about.

MS should rewrite Windows TOS and Block chrome from all desktop in the world, and make Windows defender Block all spam (sponsored) in Google.com.

Dont be evil my ass, i am starting to hate Google for ****ing up the WP experience

What a bunch of A holes, either bring out your own app / give some assistance for one to be developed or get out of the way

"Microsoft was "inter-operating with us but not doing the reverse."

MS wants to add Google support into Outlook.com
Google does not want to add EAS support into Gmail.

We can go back and forth all day long with these arguments.

I find it hard to believe MS didn't know they were violating terms of use with the API's, but who cares; F*&CK Google. They made their billions with products that rode on top of MS Windows, MS isn't allowed to charge royalties on Google searches done on MS Windows, or are they? hmmmm

Normally all this competition ends up with the consumers winning, now we just have a couple of corporations whining. I'll stick with MS because Schmidt looks like a james bond villain. Seems like a good enough reason.

Wait. "interoperating with us, but not in reverse"? So, google is accusing Microsoft of supporting their stuff, but not in reverse? I guess guilty as charged.

1. Most YouTube apps on iOS and Android and WinPhone do not play ads for the videos either. This is not at fault at MS but a flaw in the YouTube API.

2. Google claims they didn't have any say in the app, when Microsoft has clearly stated in the past that Google is refusing to work with them.

3. If they honestly feel this is a threat, they should make their own app. They're obviously out to unfairly block WinPhone since the start. They are also probably head over heels since this new app is better and faster than their own app they made for Android and iOS.

I'm sorry but they are being complete asses for not providing fair access to their services.

As it turns out, Google doesn't like it when you violate their trademark and circumvent their advertising.
Of course, if they'd just put out a WP app this wouldn't have happened.

Microsoft did not use the API and have done what many other apps have done on android and ios, no different but google seems bent on trying to evil with MS

......as I said elsewhere... So there is the answer, Google wants revenue and using its advertisers as an excuse. Google and their Do no Evil (which is a lie) pledge should have made a darn app
themselves. I guess the app also prohibits Google from mining data as well. Who cares, Google, as I will only own iOS or Windows devices because Google suck IMO.

Google should really consider releasing popular apps that they have on Android / iOS etc. for Windows Phone, which is small, yes, but growing, and has overtaken BlackBerry in marketshare. This looks childish on their part. . Google should have simply reached out to Microsoft and expressed the concern and offered to work with them to ensure it works within the TOS if it is using their APIs. Being sue-happy or sending cease-and-desist notices without trying a peaceful, cooperative approach seems to undermine their credibility a bit. If they reached out to Microsoft and Microsoft refused to work with them, they would be justified if MS is using their APIs. But it doesn't say that, so let's not assume. And Google should have released a proper YouTube app for Windows Phone long ago, honestly.

I can understand Google wanting everyone to play by the same rules, but I find it highly suspicious that they were ready to go with this the day after it came out. Especially with their track record of hindering Windows Phone, seems like they refused to help MS at all, and just waited for them to mess up anything to pounce with a take down.

Read the letter to MS....

Facebook sent out letters to get Windows apps removed for violating trademarks so this really is no different.

MS releases an app that disable ads which provide the creators of the video money and Google is evil.

Umm, ok then.

Letter also stated you can download videos...which I believe isnt allowed. Unless they mean download as streaming/viewing. Wasnt to clear

Edited by techbeck, May 15 2013, 9:28pm :

techbeck said,
Read the letter to MS....

So, Microsoft sends out letters to devs to take down apps violating Facebook's trademarks and thats ok....but when Google does it...they are evil. And MS releases an app that disable ads which provide the creators of the video money and Google is evil.

Umm, ok then.

Letter also stated you can download videos...which I believe isnt allowed. Unless they mean download as streaming/viewing. Wasnt to clear

facebook sent those takedown requests,not Microsoft. and about downloading videos from youtube, youtube doesn't own the content. they only have a license to display the content. they have zero right in preventing you,me or anyone from storing the content. Only the content provider does,and if a content provider objects,MS can just block downloads from that content provider.

Microsoft didn't send those letters, Facebook did, it's their trademark. Microsoft doesn't have any say over the facebook trademark

And btw, Google not supporting Windows Phone, and only adding support for things like Voice search in Chrome, is also evil.

But the public perception tends to favor Google, and so does the market for now.

Google is in their right to request this, but it would stink less if they had also extended an olive branch to MS so that they could integrate better while still following the TOS

I'm so happy more and more people are using AdBlock these days. It'll get to the point where Google won't be profitable and hopefully go bankrupt.

I've never seen an ad with current version of youtube app, which actually is only a link to mobile website, neither in the page nor before the video.

They can use any Google service/api as long as they abide by the TOS - its pretty straightforward really. Hundreds of websites/3rd party apps embed youtube, none of them skip ads.

So...Microsoft isn't allowed to support Google products by integrating them into their own? Sounds anti-competitive to me, or just plain stupid. Microsoft should just tell them they're worried about getting sued for not offering enough options to users.

Well let wait for answer from MS, if MS develops this app w/o using the Youtube API, then there will be no issue. They did state they wrote this app w/o any helps from Google, so I guess they don't use Youtube API.

Google are entirely within their rights to block every single MS domain from Google search, gmail etc. That will be a HUGE blow to MS, and in turn MS can't really do anything because they are afraid of DoJ/EU lawsuits.

Defcon said,
Google are entirely within their rights to block every single MS domain from Google search, gmail etc. That will be a HUGE blow to MS, and in turn MS can't really do anything because they are afraid of DoJ/EU lawsuits.

If that's the case, then Microsoft can block Windows users from installing Chrome browser and being able to go to google.com

Defcon said,
Google are entirely within their rights to block every single MS domain from Google search, gmail etc. That will be a HUGE blow to MS, and in turn MS can't really do anything because they are afraid of DoJ/EU lawsuits.

have you been living under a rock? google was in trouble recently for promoting their own products over other company's in search. you think they can get away with it scott free?

Defcon said,
Google are entirely within their rights to block every single MS domain from Google search, gmail etc. That will be a HUGE blow to MS, and in turn MS can't really do anything because they are afraid of DoJ/EU lawsuits.

Thats just silly and no way will ever happen. Imagine how many people would switch to Bing then. Me being one of them.

Defcon said,
Google are entirely within their rights to block every single MS domain from Google search, gmail etc. That will be a HUGE blow to MS, and in turn MS can't really do anything because they are afraid of DoJ/EU lawsuits.

It's close, Google is already annoying the crap out of me every time I try to look at my Gmail at work. If I could ever remember my microsoft account password I would switch to outlook very quickly.

This is ridiculous. Google does not want to support Windows Phone, so Microsoft has to make their own apps.

Consumers are losing. If you want to use Google Hangouts, you can't on Windows 8 (you can in a browser, but not app) or Windows Phone 8. If you want to use Google Voice, you can't on Windows Phone 8.

I hate being locked out of Google Services when choosing a Windows product. Windows Phone + Google Services would be great match. But Google thinks "All platforms" consist of only iOS, Android and the Browser (mainly Chrome).

I think it was just as childish for MS to release an app on their platform that used Google's API in blatant violation of the terms of service as it was for Google to pan W8/WP8 app development entirely.

No good can come of this.

deadonthefloor said,
I think it was just as childish for MS to release an app on their platform that used Google's API in blatant violation of the terms of service as it was for Google to pan W8/WP8 app development entirely.

No good can come of this.


There are plenty of youtube apps on Android, iOS, Windows Phone that don't show ads and use the youtube API. Why hasn't Google gone after them?

Oh wait Microsoft has money and Google is upset that Motorola got absolutely trashed in the h.264 ruling.

I do not think Google cares if MS uses their YouTube API in the end. However, I'm sure Google might take issue with MS filtering out, blocking, and-or interfering with the tracking of Ads that should appear on YouTube content.

If MS is doing this, I think Google is justified in demanding a take down. Not only would MS be stopping Google from getting Ad revenue (some might not be sympathize), but they would be preventing revenue of the content creators in the YouTube community which is thriving on YouTube's Ad revenue sharing.

So MS has no problems spamming its users with ads on every service they run, like paid Xbox Live Gold, Outlook, bing etc, yet for a competitors service they made sure the ads would be skipped?

I think we can see who's the one being evil here.

Defcon said,
So MS has no problems spamming its users with ads on every service they run, like paid Xbox Live Gold, Outlook, bing etc, yet for a competitors service they made sure the ads would be skipped?

I think we can see who's the one being evil here.

First of all Xbox Live Gold has nothing to do with this.
Second of all you fail because many 3rd parties use their APIs/servers such as MSN or Outlook and of course don't display MSs ads. MS has yet to shut down any third party service that "incorrectly" uses their API. They don't care. Oh and please stop spreading this FUD that they are "intentionally skipping the ads". This is complete and utter crap, there is NO API for ADS ON YOUTUBE. The only ones that can provide Youtube ads are GOOGLE. That is why you will not see any Google driven ads on ANY 3rd party apps. There was no choice. People refused to put up with some dodgy as hell HTML5 wrapper. If Google wanted to get money of ads, which is ironic considering they deemed the platform "not worthy of our development resources", they can develop their own app. WP users wouldn't care if it had ads in it if they PROVIDED an app.

Microsoft needs to stop suing the OEMs and just hit Google where it hurts: sue the Open Handset Alliance and once and for all bring down the axe of justice on Android. That'll show them when it becomes universally illegal to distribute Android in the US.

Or make Android patent license fees so high that it's completely unprofitable to use Android so OEMs just drop it completely. That's almost more vengeful than using the court system.

Adamb10 said,
Except then Microsoft will get sent to court and forced to lower them to reasonable levels.

this isn't a FRAND issue,they can ask for as much as they want.

If MS violated Google's terms, then no one's fault but Microsofts. Up to the lawyers to figure out. Sucks this kind of thing happens but MS is innocent in everything they do either. I am sure this isnt going to be the last we hear about things like this from Google, MS, Apple, Samsung....

Who cares if the API is "violated" if Google are going to be anti-competitive and refuse to release an app then they deserve anything that comes back at them. This is not a question about "violation" this is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at locking out WP, again. Grow the fuk up Google.

And MS has its own issues as well. To fault one company and not the other is silly. Just another fight between them and there is going to be more. So they all need to grow up, not just Google.

If you read why they requested the app be removed, Microsoft broke a few of Googles terms of service. Microsoft should have followed the ToS.

Xenon said,
If you read why they requested the app be removed, Microsoft broke a few of Googles terms of service. Microsoft should have followed the ToS.

that's assuming they used the API,which they probably didn't. they probably parse the website,and grab the video from there. there is no terms of service violations. they don't modify the youtube player to block ads. And youtube cant restrict you storing other peoples content. youtube only has a license to show such content.

This has nothing to do with the ToS you blind fool. There are hundreds of applications on Android, iOS, Windows Phone, Linux that don't provide ads. Why? Because there is no friggin API for it. If Google really wanted to care for their "content providers" they would have made an app for WP 3 years ago. Believe it or not, app in store or app banned in store they are not going to be making money which highlights the fact this is nothing more than a cheap blow to WP. Imagine if Microsoft locked out Chromes ability to run on Windows by putting a T&C on their local APIs.

But hey "don't be evil"!

Nothing to change my opinion of Google.
They don't want to develop a proper application for Windows Phone and now, since Microsoft made one better than what they offer on Android, they're ****ed off.
Idiots.

Why is this a problem now? I thought Windows Phone doesn't have enough users? Google should develop a app then if they feel this way.

This place is far too gone for that. It's pretty much turning into the official Microsoft circlejerk on the web. This is coming from someone who is a fan of both Microsoft and Google but that doesn't seem to be acceptable here anymore.

brent3000 said,
As right as they are to allow Chrome users to install an AdBlocking application which blocks all Youtube and Google adds?

But that isn't Google's decision to install it, it's yours.

Edited by Raa, May 15 2013, 11:53pm :

Yes it would be great if Google gave Windows Phone 8 users an official app... but MS can make an app. The question is MS blocking advertisement in YouTube content. If the answer is yes... then MS is hurting not only their customers, but the content creators that make a living off of YouTube. I'm sure if MS looses the attitude and builds the app by the terms of service Google will have nothing to say. If Google should say something after MS fixes any issues then MS is well within their rights to cry out.

"Blocking" is the wrong word. It's pretty easy to grab a video off of YouTube because the HTML5 wrapper exposes the video file directly. Actually building in support for ads requires direct support from Google which is why you only ever see it in apps they approve.

Maybe if google would actually work with Microsoft instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.

siah1214 said,
Maybe if google would actually work with Microsoft instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.

Google could turn around and say our marketshare in mobile demands attention. We'll help you when its worth our while. Thats why iOS gets equal treatment to Android and BB's attention has dwindled as its market share has.

Maybe if microsoft would actually work with Google instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.
- scroogled
- back proxies such as fairsearch to file lawsuits against google
- trash talk Android
- patent attacks
- and now YouTube TOS violation
need I go on?

That would be nice and all if they were to actually say that but the guy was just up on stage talking about how sad it is when companies don't build out their services.

recursive said,
Maybe if microsoft would actually work with Google instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.
- scroogled
- back proxies such as fairsearch to file lawsuits against google
- trash talk Android
- patent attacks
- and now YouTube TOS violation
need I go on?

The patent attacks aren't against Google, nice try. Microsoft has made plenty of apps for Android, nice try again.

Wasn't it Google/Motorola that tried to sue Microsoft for h.264 licensing even though it was FRAND? Oh yeah it was and they got absolutely trashed in court. Maybe they're just butthurt and want some more money.

And yet there are YouTube apps on the Vita and Wii U, both of which have sold under 4 million units so far. Nokia sold 5.5 million Windows Phones last quarter. It's not a "marketshare" problem.

recursive said,
Maybe if microsoft would actually work with Google instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.
- scroogled
- back proxies such as fairsearch to file lawsuits against google
- trash talk Android
- patent attacks
- and now YouTube TOS violation
need I go on?

Microsoft have publicly said they have contacted Google and even said "they received absolutely no help from Google". Google do not want to help MS, they want to try and destroy them.

recursive said,
Maybe if microsoft would actually work with Google instead of acting like petulant children, then this wouldn't happen.
- scroogled
- back proxies such as fairsearch to file lawsuits against google
- trash talk Android
- patent attacks
- and now YouTube TOS violation
need I go on?

Not to mention Fairsearch...a organization with members such as MS to go specifically after Google.

-Razorfold said,
Wasn't it Google/Motorola that tried to sue Microsoft for h.264 licensing even though it was FRAND? Oh yeah it was and they got absolutely trashed in court. Maybe they're just butthurt and want some more money.

No it was just Motorola. Google bought Motorola after the lawsuit was in place. I don't think Google is "butt hurt" as you put it. They just don't pay attention to inferior products that mean very little to the overall marketshare.

Why? They are being anti-competitive d$#^ heads again. They completely contradict themselves. If they thought the platform was going to have any impact on them then they would make a darn app for it. Since after 3 years they haven't made once whilst making ones for Blackberry and even crap like my TV (yes official Google app) I think its pretty safe to say this is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to lock out Microsoft from the mobile space. Absolutely pathetic.

ingramator said,
Why? They are being anti-competitive d$#^ heads again. They completely contradict themselves. If they thought the platform was going to have any impact on them then they would make a darn app for it. Since after 3 years they haven't made once whilst making ones for Blackberry and even crap like my TV (yes official Google app) I think its pretty safe to say this is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to lock out Microsoft from the mobile space. Absolutely pathetic.

I love Microsoft and its hypocrisy. Don't use Google products guys you will get scroogled. Develops apps for Android and Youtube. Integrates Gtalk with outlook the day after. #1 All companies should be like Microsoft.

Also, BB, your TV, etc have partnerships with Google to develop apps. I don't think Microsoft has something like that with Google.

Lol Youtube API is proprietary to Google. That's like Apple asking Microsoft to release DirectX source so people can have DX developed games for Mac. Why won't Microsoft do that? So many people use Macs. Microsoft pathetic.

ingramator said,
Why? They are being anti-competitive d$#^ heads again. They completely contradict themselves. If they thought the platform was going to have any impact on them then they would make a darn app for it. Since after 3 years they haven't made once whilst making ones for Blackberry and even crap like my TV (yes official Google app) I think its pretty safe to say this is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to lock out Microsoft from the mobile space. Absolutely pathetic.

Again, all the major companies have their problems and need to knock it off and learn to work together or at least iron out their differences. But I guess its all Google's fault here and MS has done nothing to them....

So you think its fair for Google to give access to IOS and Blackberry but not to Microsoft????

Maybe Microsoft should refuse access to Google for ALL Microsoft products in the future and let Apple have them freely.

korupt_one said,
So you think its fair for Google to give access to IOS and Blackberry but not to Microsoft????.

Not what I said. I think it is silly to think that Google is the only one here that is at fault. MS has been going after Google hard and accusing them of things they are not doing.

I also think it is silly for all this hate towards one company. They both produce good products and they are both acting like children.

onionjuice said,
That's like Apple asking Microsoft to release DirectX source so people can have DX developed games for Mac.

Sounds like you have no idea what's the difference between an API and an implementation. Hint: An API is a public interface that other parties may use…
DirectX is an API btw…

MFH said,

Sounds like you have no idea what's the difference between an API and an implementation. Hint: An API is a public interface that other parties may use…
DirectX is an API btw…

So you can't limit what people can use and what not? You're telling me a company who owns a service has to give the same level of access that it has to others.

That's like asking Blizzard to give you admin privileges to WoW because why can GM's have special permissions but gamers can't.

WTF are you on about, Google own a product, they gave out the tools for people to connect to the product, there are rules to use there product. Microsoft bypassed one of those rules, so Google has the right to request they pull the app from there store!

DarkNet said,

Microsoft is evil. They charge Android manufacturers $5 per device.

That's because Android is using Microsoft patents…

MFH said,

That's because Android is using Microsoft patents…

Patents? What's that? Sounds Evil. All I know is Microsoft violated the ToS and Google is evil. So if ToS can be violated so can these patents you speak of.

You obviously didn't get the sarcasm behind this. Thanks for playing along.

Edited by DarkNet, May 16 2013, 3:10pm :

MFH said,

That's because Android is using Microsoft patents…

There are no such thing as patents IP is shared by everyone pls Microsoft don't be evil. /s
But wait, Google is Evil because Microsoft violated The ToS of GOOGLE.

onionjuice said,

There are no such thing as patents IP is shared by everyone pls Microsoft don't be evil. /s
But wait, Google is Evil because Microsoft violated The ToS of GOOGLE.


This crowd makes it too easy to school them. Kids will be kids.

MeowPurr said,
"Don't be evil"

How would Microsoft feel if Google integrated Skype support into one of their products but refused to shows the ads of course. Microsoft expected to welcome it with open arms?

Well "don't be evil" unless you're use of an API fails to add to Google's cash pile. Because there's nothing more evil than denying Google money need to finance Google +

thealexweb said,

How would Microsoft feel if Google integrated Skype support into one of their products but refused to shows the ads of course. Microsoft expected to welcome it with open arms?

And in addition to that also call it Skype. This is a clear trademark violation if Microsoft didn't have an agreement with Google.

thealexweb said,

How would Microsoft feel if Google integrated Skype support into one of their products but refused to shows the ads of course. Microsoft expected to welcome it with open arms?


If they are losing so much money because of WP users watching videos without ads, why not create an official app? Even BlackBerry has one.

webdev511 said,
Well "don't be evil" unless you're use of an API fails to add to Google's cash pile. Because there's nothing more evil than denying Google money need to finance Google +

What about if Google integrated Skype in to a product without showing the ads. No money for MS helping to bailout its entire online business which has produced a loss for eight years in a row.

contriver87 said,

And in addition to that also call it Skype. This is a clear trademark violation if Microsoft didn't have an agreement with Google.


So Google didn't care for last 2.5 years and suddenly found the trademark violation? Very convenient, don't you think?

MeowPurr said,

If they are losing so much money because of WP users watching videos without ads, why not create an official app? Even BlackBerry has one.

As its market share rises it will get an official app, but perhaps right now it isn;t worth the investment. Nevertheless Google shouldn't have costs forced on it without some sort of bulk cash payment from Microsoft.

BajiRav said,

So Google didn't care for last 2.5 years and suddenly found the trademark violation? Very convenient, don't you think?

Incorrect.
The previous 'official' app for WP7.x was just a wrapper around the mobile site.
The most recent update is a full on W8 App, that calls the YouTube API in clear violation of its terms of use.
This is why Google are caring now.

thealexweb said,

What about if Google integrated Skype in to a product without showing the ads. No money for MS helping to bailout its entire online business which has produced a loss for eight years in a row.


There are plenty of chat apps that connect to skype / windows live without showing ads...Microsoft hasn't gone after any of them.

-Razorfold said,

There are plenty of chat apps that connect to skype / windows live without showing ads...Microsoft hasn't gone after any of them.

I doubt any of them are called Skype.

contriver87 said,
I doubt any of them are called Skype.

There are plenty of Youtube like apps on iOS, Android, WP, BB etc that use the youtube name in some form or the other. Pretty much most of them that I've used don't show the ads either. Google hasn't gone after any of them.

It's pathetic because Google absolutely refuses to develop for WP (Microsoft on the other hand has made plenty of apps for Android) and actively goes out of their way to **** with WP users (and the API).

deadonthefloor said,

Incorrect.
The previous 'official' app for WP7.x was just a wrapper around the mobile site.
The most recent update is a full on W8 App, that calls the YouTube API in clear violation of its terms of use.
This is why Google are caring now.

Wrong. Microsoft has had an app called "Youtube" from day one on Windows Phone 7 complete with youtube logo.
Why didn't they care about trademark until now?

thealexweb said,

What about if Google integrated Skype in to a product without showing the ads. No money for MS helping to bailout its entire online business which has produced a loss for eight years in a row.


Actually IM+ did just that, and nothings came back on them.

Did you read the article? It's not about trademark infringement.... The new app is using the Youtube API, with no agreement for Microsoft to use it... That's why they care.

And the old "app", wasn't an app. deadonthefloor was right in saying it was essentially a redirect to the mobile site.

But you know, continue ignoring the actual facts, and propagating your hate for Google.

BajiRav said,

Wrong. Microsoft has had an app called "Youtube" from day one on Windows Phone 7 complete with youtube logo.
Why didn't they care about trademark until now?

Did you read the article? It's not about trademark infringement.... The new app is using either the youtube api, or has another wrapper around the mobile site, with no integrated ads, which equals lost revenue. That's why they care.

And the old "app", wasn't an app. deadonthefloor was right in saying it was essentially a redirect to the mobile site.

But you know, continue ignoring the actual facts, and propagating your hate for Google.

wingliston said,
Larry Page - 'Being negative is not how we make progress'. bull**** lol.

Lol they make money off Ads. Microsoft is such a good company. Google with be distributing unlicensed versions of Windows 8 tomorrow. Unlike Google, Microsoft isn't an evil company therefore I won't be expecting a lawsuit. After all they are only distributing Windows so that users benefit. Just like Microsoft made the Youtube for WP.

thealexweb said,

How would Microsoft feel if Google integrated Skype support into one of their products but refused to shows the ads of course. Microsoft expected to welcome it with open arms?


Only have the story, how about Goople give MS access to the API so that they can build an app without violating the terms. I wish MS restricted the API for windows to goople.

Duk3tog0 said,

Only have the story, how about Goople give MS access to the API so that they can build an app without violating the terms. I wish MS restricted the API for windows to goople.

Google didn't restrict API to Microsoft ONLY. Its to everyone, so I don't see what's wrong with that. They aren't singling out Microsoft.

I do not recall seeing any mobile youtube app that has ads, including Google's own client on IOS and Android. I could be wrong but I always figured this was because when you make a mobile api call to youtube it returns a video url without ads. Plus most phones cannot play flash content.

rr_dRock said,

Did you read the article? It's not about trademark infringement.... The new app is using either the youtube api, or has another wrapper around the mobile site, with no integrated ads, which equals lost revenue. That's why they care.

And the old "app", wasn't an app. deadonthefloor was right in saying it was essentially a redirect to the mobile site.

But you know, continue ignoring the actual facts, and propagating your hate for Google.

Have you read the API? There is no way to pull ads from Google's server hence why no 3rd party Youtube App shows ads. Invalid.

ingramator said,

Have you read the API? There is no way to pull ads from Google's server hence why no 3rd party Youtube App shows ads. Invalid.

This is a lie. I'm using Youtube+ for Windows RT not made by google and it shows ads.

rr_dRock said,
Did you read the article? It's not about trademark infringement.... The new app is using the Youtube API, with no agreement for Microsoft to use it... That's why they care.

And the old "app", wasn't an app. deadonthefloor was right in saying it was essentially a redirect to the mobile site.

But you know, continue ignoring the actual facts, and propagating your hate for Google.


it's both actually. but continue ranting.

Google has only restricted access to MS for the youtube API's, IOS and Blackberry have access to this, Microsoft have asked Google on more than one occasion to have access to the same stuff as IOS and Blackberry and Google has refused. Google need to be very careful now where they take this we are on the verge of a major lawsuit that has been mounting for years against google, this could be the tipping point.

onionjuice said,

This is a lie. I'm using Youtube+ for Windows RT not made by google and it shows ads.

App add yes. Not Google add. Google is being evil here. They're singling out Microsoft and are using dirty taxtics to keep WP small. Kust look at the Google maps thing. Also look at the Access that was boven to others such as BB and Apple.

MeowPurr said,
"Don't be evil"

Suck it up google. Haven't seen you send "cease and desist"'s to adblock etc yet.
A smartphone screen is WAY too small to play a video and ads too anyway!

Ronnet said,

App add yes. Not Google add. Google is being evil here. They're singling out Microsoft and are using dirty taxtics to keep WP small. Kust look at the Google maps thing. Also look at the Access that was boven to others such as BB and Apple.

Dirty tactics to keep WP small? If the growth of WP is based off Youtube and Google products then Microsoft doesn't deserve to get market share.

And its not like WP doesn't have a youtube app.