Microsoft hits back, launches PC vs Mac site

Microsoft has added a new section to their Windows 7 website entitled "PC vs Mac", which for the first time hits back at Apple's barrage of campaigns against the company.

While many thought Microsoft would never respond to the campaigns -- including the popular "Get a Mac" ads by Apple which came to an end a couple of months ago -- it seems the company has finally decided (after the "I'm a PC" ads) that it's time to take Apple on, launching an informative website spotted by The Next Web and Ars Technica and labelling Macs as potentially "spoiling your fun" and "take time to learn."

Sections on the site compare Windows 7 to Mac OS X under a number of categories including "having fun", "simplicity", "working hard", "sharing", "compatibility" and "choice", all of which are scathing in their views on Apple's popular operating system. 

Arguments against Macs include "Macs might spoil your fun", "Macs can take time to learn", "Macs don't work as well at work or at school",  "Macs don't like to share", "Macs might not like your PC stuff", and "Macs don't let you choose".

As you would expect, with the site being promotional material, Microsoft steers well clear of any positive aspects that Mac OS X has over Windows 7, preferring to target its weaknesses and even encouraging visitors to "find your perfect PC" at the bottom of each page. The site also displays a feed of tweets from Twitter which mention Windows 7 in a bid to show community feelings about the operating system.

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Hilarious. I guess MS haven't heard that steam just got released on macs. The other stuff is well, just fluff.

Who needs windows apps, when you can use FOSS on macs? Most of the arguments are paper thin with no real substance, much the same as the lies they promulgate regarding GNU/Linux. Yes steam is coming to Linux too

PULL THIS MS, don't do this. NOT NECESSARY. JUST WORK ON MAKING YOUR STUFF MORE SEAMLESS!!! Integrate Photogallery in to th OS more, make it so Zune on the damn XBOX actually plays music. Work on eliminating the usability confusion aspect. And HURRY, pull this campaign NOW.

Here is a fact. You can't be late to a game you already won years before. CAN YOU!!!!
MSFT chose not to enter the debate, because Apple didn't present one worth fighting.

The debate now is simple. Mac's use an equal platform to Windows PC's. Windows has dominated PC with a 96% marrket, while Mac PC's have 3% worldwide. Now that we use the same hardware, MS is simply showing that even though its the same platform; you're not getting the same benefits. Yet Apple Mac's cost far more.

If you get away from stupid bias and name calling and just see everything for what it is, there wouldn't be anything to argue about in the first place. Fact is, Macs are not and never have been better. They are simply a very good alternative if you don't want Windows.

For those upstarirs who posted the section is weak; you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I found them to be at least factual. There were no blown-up facts like the Mac vs PC ads. Everything was direct and to the point. For $1000 I can get a PC with TV Out, HDMI, card readers, Blu-Ray, plenty of ports and a PC that won't overheat, break at the hinges, get dented and has more software/hardware available.

In fact with a Windows PC, I can go to ANY store that sells computer hardware/software/accessories and I could shop blindfolded and everything will be 100% compatible with Windows on some level. With Macs? Not so much! Yet they cost more. But what so yoy get for that extra $800? A whole lot of nothing.

Macs are for people who aren't cool, but wanna be.
True story fo the weirdest thing I have seen. There is a Starbucks that is near a school that is medai based. The kits who hang out here are typical 19 - 25. The school is Columbia College which is an art/music school. Most students uses Macs because the school gets them wholesale, thanks to gov't subsidaries. I was on my lunch when about 10 came and sat together at a table. 6 of them pulled out the 13" while the rest had 15" models. This nerdy kid came in out of nowhere and sat at a table by himself with a Dell XPS Studio 16 and started playing games. They all literally left their Macs at the tables and came and surrounded him. Here thsi guy has an XPS which is a multimedia based laptop that starts at $949, cost less that the 13" Macbook Pro, has similar hardware specs and features, and yet they were all jaw-dropped simply because he was playing a cool game. Its not the logo that makes you cool, its what the hardware can do that makes it cool. And you're cool because you were smart enough to get the right product in the first place.

What si so weird is I frequest several cafe's. If teh place is filled with Mac users and a PC person walks in, he/she gets stared up and down like they don't belong. But when its a room full of Windows PC's and a Mac-person comes in; they get a short look and its like 'mac-person' and they allgo back to what they were doing. Even tho I am sure it happens, I find it very very rare to see a Mac and Windows PC person together conducting business or having fun. Both typically have the same type of computer.

Well if MS highlight any benefits to Macs over Windows PC what would be the point? I mean did Apple highlight any benefist of PC ovser Macs in their commercials?
Actually fact be told, Macs don't offer any benefits over Windows PC at all.
Gaming no matter how minor Mac users try to make it seen is a big industry. I find them crazy when they say Macs aren't design for gaming. Oh really? So if you can't game on them, what is the point of spending $2000 for one? Oh and how come when I take that Mac and install Windows as the OS of choice, it instantly becomes a contender? And don't Mac's and Windows PC using the exact same x86 components? How is it that same ram, processor and graphics card can all work together in my system and run everything, but you can't? Yet its the same physical hardware?
OSX is the achillies heel of x86. If you want to find out how poor x86 hardware can be? Install OSX and you will get a front row seat.

Osiris said,
I prefered those laptop hunter things to this

I agree. I love Lauren. She wasn't cool enough to be a Mac person. And for $1000 there are basically no Macs available for purchase. Its truth. In fact, APple selling Macs at stores like Best Buy was perfect. That way you can see side by side they aren't wrth one penny over a comparable Windows computer.

TechieXP said,

I agree. I love Lauren. She wasn't cool enough to be a Mac person. And for $1000 there are basically no Macs available for purchase. Its truth. In fact, APple selling Macs at stores like Best Buy was perfect. That way you can see side by side they aren't wrth one penny over a comparable Windows computer.

Mmmkay. Most of the PCs at my local Best Buy barely work after being on display, and some are physically coming apart. All the Macs still work and are in one piece.

Ugh. Why does this nonsense continue! I always said that I hated the Mac vs PC campaign that Apple ran. My feeling was always that Apple should sell themselves on why their product was good - NOT why the competitors was bad. They did this well with iPhone adverts - short & sweet, demoing popular applications or scenarios where the product would help you.

So why are Microsoft sinking to this level, especially now that Apple have finally dropped their ridiculous campaign? Who in Redmond thought this was a good idea? Adverts such as the "7 Second Demo's" were great but it seems they made like 3 of them and ran them endlessly - why not make more of these types of advert?!

Most of the world's most popular computer games aren't available for Macs. And Macs can't connect to an Xbox 360. PCs are ready to play.Direct TV connection.✗50%

Most of the world's most popular computer games aren't available for Macs. And Macs can't connect to an Xbox 360. PCs are ready to play.Direct TV connection.✗50%

Most of the world's most popular computer games aren't available for Macs. And Macs can't connect to an Xbox 360. PCs are ready to play.
Direct TV connection.✗50%

Most of the world's most popular computer games aren't available for Macs. And Macs can't connect to an Xbox 360. PCs are ready to play.
Direct TV connection.✗50%

The bullet points are terrible, who the hell is that going to help. The reason that Apple did the mac vs PC ads is because they are visual/viral and it helps users decide.

A bit of text on a website that probably we are the only ones that will read is going to help no one...

I would find the campaign appealing if they had something in the overview naming hardware partners.

Microsoft are software. Apple is Hardware/Software. Hard to push the point home that there's diversity if everything is Microsoft.

As it stands, I agree with the consensus that it's pretty lame.

I find it funny that the pc-scout site that the site takes you to in order to find the right PC for you is a flash app.
lol.

They seem to have missed a major bullet point on their site. We have games and they don't. Maybe that's too obvious of a point to make. I'm no marketing specialist.

The content doesn't seem especially well written, in fact the bulk of points range from pushing their luck to totally inaccurate.

Windows 7 is great, it's a shame to have something like this associated with it.

I wish they would remove it. Not necessary really, they should work on MARKETING what you can do and HOW you can do it with real time demos in commercials.

Wow. Wasn't this Mac vs PC religious war tedious in the late 80's and early 90's? I seem to recall that it was. Honestly, everybody's as bad as each other.

Lamp0 said,
My Mac renders the font on the website much nicer than my Windows 7 pc.

Well. It can't do anything else, but at least Microsoft's website looks nice on it!

Lamp0 said,
My Mac renders the font on the website much nicer than my Windows 7 pc.

I still prefer the windows elegant slim style rendering than the super smooth (and sometimes blurry) font rendering from unix based systems. it's a matter of taste.

Edit: still, you can have your loved font rendering on windows: http://code.google.com/p/gdipp/

Edited by MerChan, Aug 10 2010, 10:47am :

"SimplicityIntuitive, familiar, and easy to use, PCs do what you want: they just work."
I SMELL A WIN!

n_K said,
"SimplicityIntuitive, familiar, and easy to use, PCs do what you want: they just work."
I SMELL A WIN!
I like the line, "Things just don't work the same way on Macs if you're used to a PC." Seems like a direct shot at that whole "Mac's just work" line that Apple fanboi's are always shouting. LOL

Tim Dawg said,
I like the line, "Things just don't work the same way on Macs if you're used to a PC."

The problem with that statement is that it applies both ways. If someone is used to OS X, then things in Windows won't work the same way they are used to.

roadwarrior said,

The problem with that statement is that it applies both ways. If someone is used to OS X, then things in Windows won't work the same way they are used to.

True! But the huge difference is if you take a total beginner who has never used a PC, they will find Windows far easier to use. Both adult and child. Any clueless person can point and click. But I mean actually use features of an OS. Windows is far teh easiet to learn.

Microsoft thinks : "This is time to finishing up the Mac. Put it out of its misery." Well, at least, Microsoft doesn't lie. All points making was facts.

akav0id said,
Who else clicked the link expecting some 'PC vs. Mac' videos from Microsoft?

Me!

I found several of the arguments absurd though For example:
"If you use Apple's productivity suite, sharing files with PC users can be tricky. Your documents might not look right and your spreadsheets might not calculate correctly."
Yes, going between any different office type application will probably cause it to look different some, but spreadsheets not calculating correctly? That's quite a stretch

SkyyPunk said,

Me!

I found several of the arguments absurd though For example:
"If you use Apple's productivity suite, sharing files with PC users can be tricky. Your documents might not look right and your spreadsheets might not calculate correctly."
Yes, going between any different office type application will probably cause it to look different some, but spreadsheets not calculating correctly? That's quite a stretch

Not really... I've written 5 page papers in iWorks, that don't even print in Word, let alone worrying about format, the didn't even PRINT!

greenwizard88 said,

Not really... I've written 5 page papers in iWorks, that don't even print in Word, let alone worrying about format, the didn't even PRINT!

Exactly. I've got clients that run into these problems between their Mac's and PC's all the time. An yes, that includes the spreadsheets that don't calculate correctly. In reality it's the formula that gets jacked but the number it spits out isn't accurate. Not sure if that's a miscalculation in the technical definition of the word but it's one way of describing the problem.

They are attacking a OS that has what? 2% of the market, against... 94%?
Why???

Mac is like Linux, little more maybe. They should focus the effort on Windows Phone 7 x iOS.

Lame! Yes, Windows 7 has come a long way from XP and I personally find it runs decently. However, I still find the Mac is more user-friendly overall and the easiest to network.

MulletRobZ said,
Lame! Yes, Windows 7 has come a long way from XP and I personally find it runs decently. However, I still find the Mac is more user-friendly overall and the easiest to network.

HomeGroup? Windows Live Sync? Windows Media Center? Windows Media Player? Libraries?

MulletRobZ said,
Lame! Yes, Windows 7 has come a long way from XP and I personally find it runs decently. However, I still find the Mac is more user-friendly overall and the easiest to network.
What exactly do you mean by "easiest to network"? Assign an IP address? Share files? P2P?....

Tim Dawg said,
What exactly do you mean by "easiest to network"? Assign an IP address? Share files? P2P?....

Well, from the MS page, one would infer that those things are nigh-on impossible to do on a Mac.

Would they consider doing video ads ? maybe with the same guys who did mac vs pc ? (comon, they have the cash and can do it if they want !)

I died laughing at the one saying that You can browse pictures, newspapers, etc with the flick of a finger because Windows 7 supports touch. Touch screen, yes, that's something Mac doesn't offer OEM, but oh wait... my MacBook Pro has had that feature built into it's track pad since... 2008?

<yes, I know it was earlier, but i started using the Unibody in late 2k8, I had a core duo before that>

giantsnyy said,
I died laughing at the one saying that You can browse pictures, newspapers, etc with the flick of a finger because Windows 7 supports touch. Touch screen, yes, that's something Mac doesn't offer OEM, but oh wait... my MacBook Pro has had that feature built into it's track pad since... 2008?

<yes, I know it was earlier, but i started using the Unibody in late 2k8, I had a core duo before that>

Yes, and so does the HP Envy and many other laptops. Get real.

giantsnyy said,
I died laughing at the one saying that You can browse pictures, newspapers, etc with the flick of a finger because Windows 7 supports touch. Touch screen, yes, that's something Mac doesn't offer OEM, but oh wait... my MacBook Pro has had that feature built into it's track pad since... 2008?

<yes, I know it was earlier, but i started using the Unibody in late 2k8, I had a core duo before that>

Windows had touch input since 2002 with windows xp tablet edition and even earlier with proper software.

MerChan said,

Windows had touch input since 2002 with windows xp tablet edition and even earlier with proper software.

Exactly. Stop drinking the Kool-aid you Mac Fan Boys.

Pam14160 said,

I had a friend who worked for HP back in the mid 80s, and he had a HP desktop computer CRT combination that had touch screen.

That remembers me that the first time I saw one, thought I was going to get electrified because of CRT static.

giantsnyy said,
I died laughing at the one saying that You can browse pictures, newspapers, etc with the flick of a finger because Windows 7 supports touch. Touch screen, yes, that's something Mac doesn't offer OEM, but oh wait... my MacBook Pro has had that feature built into it's track pad since... 2008?

<yes, I know it was earlier, but i started using the Unibody in late 2k8, I had a core duo before that>


a track pad is the same as touch screen now?

oh this is horrible blah blah blah I mean common flaming the opposition blah blah blah

If it were an Apple site people would be going nut about it right now, but because it's MS people believe this trash.

offroadaaron said,
oh this is horrible blah blah blah I mean common flaming the opposition blah blah blah

If it were an Apple site people would be going nut about it right now, but because it's MS people believe this trash.


What a terrible post. . .come on you can do better than that. . .oh wait.

" Use Windows 7 to simplify your life.

Windows 7 was designed to make it simpler to do the tasks you do every day, with features that the Mac doesn't have. For example, the new Snap feature makes it easy to view two documents side by side. "

LOL seriously, the one reason they gave us to use Windows instead of mac for simplicity was SNAP? So Apple doesn't have snap huh? Well does Windows have a dock?

warwagon said,
" Use Windows 7 to simplify your life.

Windows 7 was designed to make it simpler to do the tasks you do every day, with features that the Mac doesn't have. For example, the new Snap feature makes it easy to view two documents side by side. "

LOL seriously, the one reason they gave us to use Windows instead of mac for simplicity was SNAP? So Apple doesn't have snap huh? Well does Windows have a dock?

Windows has something better than a dock. it's called superbar.

warwagon said,
" Use Windows 7 to simplify your life.

Windows 7 was designed to make it simpler to do the tasks you do every day, with features that the Mac doesn't have. For example, the new Snap feature makes it easy to view two documents side by side. "

LOL seriously, the one reason they gave us to use Windows instead of mac for simplicity was SNAP? So Apple doesn't have snap huh? Well does Windows have a dock?

Ah the taskbar in Windows 7 works like a dock. Have you been living under a rock?

They are not talking about Windows XP or Vista, this is Windows 7. You know, the most successful OS in history.

This is the most laziest argument for choosing Windows over Mac I've ever seen. Why did they even bother. Those reasons wouldn't make me go "Oh that's eye-opening, screw it then, getting a Windows PC".

Panda X said,
This is the most laziest argument for choosing Windows over Mac I've ever seen. Why did they even bother. Those reasons wouldn't make me go "Oh that's eye-opening, screw it then, getting a Windows PC".

That was the most laziest use of the English language I have seen in quite some time.

Macs don't work as well at work or at school

I work as a computer technician for a large school district with over 2500 computers, and I agree fully with this statement. The Macs we have are insanely difficult to manage. TBH, I've yet to see anything from Apple or Linux that can even come close to the awesomeness provided by group policy and NTFS permissions.

What concerned me was how easy it was/is to gain root account access as a standard user even when it's "locked down".

Aergan said,
What concerned me was how easy it was/is to gain root account access as a standard user even when it's "locked down".

In Windows? Yeah. Very easy. Mac OS? Same as Linux. You can just type sudo in a terminal then type in the password for an administrator account.

I find Windows PC's easier to manage than a Mac because of GPO's and whatnot, but when it comes to stability and more importantly, overall productivity, the people on the Apple computers (including myself) in my company are much, much more productive.

giantsnyy said,

more importantly, overall productivity, the people on the Apple computers (including myself) in my company are much, much more productive.

I love statements like that. Completely subjective bull****. Nice try though.

In Windows? Yeah. Very easy. Mac OS? Same as Linux. You can just type sudo in a terminal then type in the password for an administrator account.

It's extremely easy to gain root access in Mac OS. The Mac OS installer CD has a password reboot utility on it, so all you have to do is get one of those CDs (not difficult), reboot the Mac, boot off the CD, and reset the password. How is that secure?

In Windows, provided the sys admin knows how to properly secure a workstation, it can be extremely difficult to gain root access. We've caught several students trying to gain unauthorized access to our systems, and not a single one succeeded. Even had one student trying to use a password cracker (both booting off a CD and running an exe file), and he didn't get anywhere either.

I love statements like that. Completely subjective bull****. Nice try though.

+1, productivity is more reliant on the worker, not the computer. If anything, PCs can be more productive than Macs, as the sys admin can lock down the computers more, preventing goofing off (very, very important in a k-12 educational environment, as students love goofing off).

Additionally, if you have multiple monitors, Macs only display the menu bar on one monitor, meaning that if you have a window open on a secondary monitor, you have to move the cursor back to the primary monitor to access its menu, how is that productive?

Joey H said,

It's extremely easy to gain root access in Mac OS. The Mac OS installer CD has a password reboot utility on it, so all you have to do is get one of those CDs (not difficult), reboot the Mac, boot off the CD, and reset the password. How is that secure?


It's the same if we use the Windows Password reseter
.
And yes, it depends on the person, not the computer. But we always need to take in consideration, how ****ing slow a damn server can be when is connected by hundreds of computers.

Jose_49 said,

It's the same if we use the Windows Password reseter
I can think of a dozen ways to reset a Windows password but I've never heard of the "Windows Password reseter". Can you please elaborate on where exactly I find the "Windows Password reseter"?

david said,
Windows is the best OS ever created. Period.

Though as a Mac person (iMac 24") I have to agree with you, albeit that is Win 7 not any of the other favors.

I'd like to see Apple do a similar list. There are pros and cons to each, and I'd like to see how Apple would rebut this.

It's all propaganda, anyway.

Simon said,
I'd like to see Apple do a similar list. There are pros and cons to each, and I'd like to see how Apple would rebut this.

It's all propaganda, anyway.

Did you miss the "I'm a Mac; I'm a PC" ad campaign?

thextinct said,

Did you miss the "I'm a Mac; I'm a PC" ad campaign?

But that was different. It wasn't quite as factual as what Microsoft's going for.

thextinct said,

Did you miss the "I'm a Mac; I'm a PC" ad campaign?

Nope I saw them. Howeve I saw right throug the BS. Apple hardly every talked up what a Mac could do better. Instead they used two comdians to hammer home some old Windows sterotypes that are not true anymore.

I can not for the life of me tell you why OS X is better and I own a Macbook. I can tell you why Windows 7 is better.

PotatoJ said,
Too little to late, Apple's campaign is already over. :-\ This is damage control.

Damage? LOL. Should we talk about market share again?

PotatoJ said,
Too little to late, Apple's campaign is already over. :-\ This is damage control.

I believe you misunderstood simple statistics. recently reported on the Neowin front page was the fact that Win 7 has already annihilated OS X.

TDT said,

Damage? LOL. Should we talk about market share again?

No. Talk about the growing market share of Apple.
Microsoft is now taking Apple as a serious competitor which it had ignored for a long time.

thextinct said,

No. Talk about the growing market share of Apple.
Microsoft is now taking Apple as a serious competitor which it had ignored for a long time.

That's a good one.

How about you come back to me when OS X is selling 7 copies a second for 9 months straight.

mackenziepricee said,

That's a good one.

How about you come back to me when OS X is selling 7 copies a second for 9 months straight.

Ok I give you that Windows 7 is selling a lot of copies but considering the fact that windows 'own' most of the computers out there in the market and also that Vista was a fail for everyone, oh and also that 7 is much much better than 'any' operating system windows had made, I would see no reason why windows won't be selling a copy of their operating system like crazy cheap pies.

thextinct said,

Ok I give you that Windows 7 is selling a lot of copies but considering the fact that windows 'own' most of the computers out there in the market and also that Vista was a fail for everyone, oh and also that 7 is much much better than 'any' operating system windows had made, I would see no reason why windows won't be selling a copy of their operating system like crazy cheap pies.

I find every you just said debatable.

Of couse it is betetr. It is 2010. It was not made in 2001 like XP and it was not made in 2007 like Vista. New technology is avvailble and they are using it to there full advantage.

Microsoft 'own' the comptuer market? People have an option. Go buy a Mac or install a free version of Linux.

Vista worked fine for me.

I doubt you have ever really given Vista, and espically Windows 7 a real go. What's next, your trying to tell me how crap Internet Explorer is?

mackenziepricee said,

I find every you just said debatable.

Of couse it is betetr. It is 2010. It was not made in 2001 like XP and it was not made in 2007 like Vista. New technology is avvailble and they are using it to there full advantage.

Microsoft 'own' the comptuer market? People have an option. Go buy a Mac or install a free version of Linux.

Vista worked fine for me.

I doubt you have ever really given Vista, and espically Windows 7 a real go. What's next, your trying to tell me how crap Internet Explorer is?

haha, I'm not trying to demote 7 or anything like that. It wasj ust my point of view that how Vista came under fire because after putting in what? 7 years of work by Microsoft it did not live up to the expectations of people and critics and that people will be looking for a better operating system than Vista and thus my statement.

Honestly, I have never really used Vista and 7 to know the potential they have and don't really care about internet explorer.

Well yeah sure people do have a choice in choosing whatever OS they want but then again people are not really exposed to the capacity of Linux and many find it complex. As many can't really afford to go out and purchase a Mac they just stick with whatever they're given with their Desktop or Laptop.

SpecialK. said,

I believe you misunderstood simple statistics. recently reported on the Neowin front page was the fact that Win 7 has already annihilated OS X.

Agreed. Windows will always annihilate any version of Mac OS/OSX simply because MS ratins 96% world market vs 3%. MS retains 93% of the US market while Apple has 5%. It takes Windows only days to burn APple, even when Apple releases first.

Kirkburn said,
Nope.

MS still sold over 350M copies of Vista. Last time I checked, if you combine ALL the sales from every single version of Mac OS and OSX together; Apple still won't be done sold that many. I hardly find 350M to be a failure. Sure it wasn't as popular. But even you guys say, well APple is having issues with iPhone 4. BUT THEY ARE STILL SELLING. Why can't that apply to Vista? You thin Apple has or will ever sell 350M iPhones? All models combined? And price does matter. iPhone cost 199.99. The OEM version of Vista or Windows 7 Ultimate is also about 199.99. Same cost, very affordable. Apple loses!!!!

PsykX said,
There's quite a lot of points that they didn't get right.

I'll just name a few...

On the simplicity page :
- The mouse works differently on a Mac. Am I dreaming ?
- The Snap option simplifies your life. Thanks to 7-year-old Mac Exposé.

Compatibility :
- iWork isn't compatible with Office. They probably missed the export function.

Working hard :
- Sharing files within Mac users and PC users is tricky. Did Apple remove Bonjour? How did I manage to do before when I had a Mac (and I was new to it) and a PC here? Oh yeah, just a couple of clicks and I was ready to go.

...

I took them from macplus.net (french site), but hell they're right about it lol.
The fact about the mouse is the funniest IMO

PsykX said,

I'll just name a few...

On the simplicity page :
- The mouse works differently on a Mac. Am I dreaming ?
- The Snap option simplifies your life. Thanks to 7-year-old Mac Exposé.

Compatibility :
- iWork isn't compatible with Office. They probably missed the export function.

Working hard :
- Sharing files within Mac users and PC users is tricky. Did Apple remove Bonjour? How did I manage to do before when I had a Mac (and I was new to it) and a PC here? Oh yeah, just a couple of clicks and I was ready to go.

...

I took them from macplus.net (french site), but hell they're right about it lol.
The fact about the mouse is the funniest IMO

I own both.

The mouse is different unless you spring for a 3rd party mouse
Export isn't compatibility
Sharing is a pain

PsykX said,

I'll just name a few...

On the simplicity page :
- The mouse works differently on a Mac. Am I dreaming ?
- The Snap option simplifies your life. Thanks to 7-year-old Mac Exposé.

Compatibility :
- iWork isn't compatible with Office. They probably missed the export function.

Working hard :
- Sharing files within Mac users and PC users is tricky. Did Apple remove Bonjour? How did I manage to do before when I had a Mac (and I was new to it) and a PC here? Oh yeah, just a couple of clicks and I was ready to go.

...

I took them from macplus.net (french site), but hell they're right about it lol.
The fact about the mouse is the funniest IMO

Just dumb. The mouse on the mac does work differently. In fact, the way Mighty Mouse works with a Mac, doesn't work the same in Windows bec Windows software isn't designed to handle those hardware commands. if you take a their mouse and press down, in Windows it means NOTHING!!! Yet a standard Windows PC mous works exactly the same in Windows as it does in OSX. Which means Apple tries much harder to make sure their doesn't work. Thus niching the product. Need more proof? OSX will boot on ANY x86 PC. Apple makes it so it doesn't by using EFI over using a BIOS to control the hardware. OSX looks for the EFI info instead of a BIOS so that it boots. Yet OSX x86 will boot on any PC and will in fact install. In fact if I buy a laptop with the exact same hardware and boot OSX, it will work 'as is'. All you ahve to hack is the bootloader so that it doesn't look for EFI only.

Windows 7 Snap features is better than Expose'. Without Mac Office, the Mac wouldn't even be considered as an office productivity tool. iWorks is a nice program. To me it is basically a costly version of OpenOffice. At least OpenOffice can open Office files. iWorks? Not so much!

The Bonjour service sucks under Windows. It is a memory hog and really doesn't help because it is poorly written. In fact, ALL of Apple's softwares suck under Windows. Quicktime, iTunes, Bonjour, Safari and more all suck and run like crap under Windows.

jwmcpeak said,

I own both.

The mouse is different unless you spring for a 3rd party mouse
Export isn't compatibility
Sharing is a pain

Maybe I am being thick, but how is the mouse different? They both have a right and left click and scrolls in the middle.
If compaitability is a problem, it is partially Microsoft's fault for not supporting other formats. I don't know how Mac's Office suite works, but OpenOffice will support any format.
Sharing is a pain. Once again, also MS fault. MS products only seems to work well with other Microsoft products. Same thing could be said of Macs tho.

TechieXP said,

Just dumb. The mouse on the mac does work differently. In fact, the way Mighty Mouse works with a Mac, doesn't work the same in Windows bec Windows software isn't designed to handle those hardware commands. if you take a their mouse and press down, in Windows it means NOTHING!!! Yet a standard Windows PC mous works exactly the same in Windows as it does in OSX. Which means Apple tries much harder to make sure their doesn't work. Thus niching the product. Need more proof? OSX will boot on ANY x86 PC. Apple makes it so it doesn't by using EFI over using a BIOS to control the hardware. OSX looks for the EFI info instead of a BIOS so that it boots. Yet OSX x86 will boot on any PC and will in fact install. In fact if I buy a laptop with the exact same hardware and boot OSX, it will work 'as is'. All you ahve to hack is the bootloader so that it doesn't look for EFI only.

Windows 7 Snap features is better than Expose'. Without Mac Office, the Mac wouldn't even be considered as an office productivity tool. iWorks is a nice program. To me it is basically a costly version of OpenOffice. At least OpenOffice can open Office files. iWorks? Not so much!

The Bonjour service sucks under Windows. It is a memory hog and really doesn't help because it is poorly written. In fact, ALL of Apple's softwares suck under Windows. Quicktime, iTunes, Bonjour, Safari and more all suck and run like crap under Windows.

While we're at it, every mouse is 3rd-party, and just like any PC, the Mac supports them all. Some of them are trackballs, laser, optical, etc. and they all work if they're USB or Bluetooth. Nothing different here. Last time I tried my Mighty mouse under windows, it worked fine.

Now about EFI and BIOS, the BIOS is a very old technology that I don't know what Microsoft is doing with in this day and age. The EFI is superior, and reduces the startup time. So it's a no-brainer, I don't see why OS X would need to search for a BIOS when Macs don't have BIOSes anymore.

The Snap feature doesn't do much compared to Exposé. I'm not saying it's bad, I like it a lot and have installed it on my Mac, but it simply doesn't do much.

Never even tried Bonjour, but I know it exists and it works. Btw if there's one app that Apple did well in Windows, it's Safari. You can't even compare it to IE9. It's comparable to Firefox and Opera though.

I don't even know why Microsoft bothers selling PCs. They don't do a lot of money in that business because they only sell peripherals. They should have focused on selling the OS only on this page instead of selling the hardware.

PsykX said,

I don't even know why Microsoft bothers selling PCs. They don't do a lot of money in that business because they only sell peripherals. They should have focused on selling the OS only on this page instead of selling the hardware.

Just to make it clear : what I mean is, a lot of Mac guys will still install Windows, so MS will still sell copies of their OSes to Mac users. It's not as if they lost their users for eternity.

Senlis said,

Maybe I am being thick, but how is the mouse different? They both have a right and left click and scrolls in the middle.
If compaitability is a problem, it is partially Microsoft's fault for not supporting other formats. I don't know how Mac's Office suite works, but OpenOffice will support any format.
Sharing is a pain. Once again, also MS fault. MS products only seems to work well with other Microsoft products. Same thing could be said of Macs tho.

Mac mice have only 1 button. There's no right button, which is a staple in a Windows environment. And if you get a magic mouse, then you have a learning curve ahead of you.

And yet it's not partially Microsoft's fault. Many popular formats are supported in Office, especially the older productivity apps like Lotus and WordPerfect. Who uses iWork for serious office productivity? No one.

No, it's not Microsoft's fault that sharing is a pain on a Mac. First, you have to enable SMB on the Mac. Then you have to use a URL to access shares on a Windows machine. It's anything but user-friendly and simple.

eh... the points are true, but it's not nearly as convincing as Apple's imo. sounds like a friend that tries to convince another friend to buy a pc over a mac

Man, I read everything and it's all true. For people that have Macs, I hope you're happy paying that premium. (Not trying to be an ass in anyway) If you haven't tried Win7, give it a whirl.

microsoft is kinda late to the show. they do have a few good arguments. gaming on PC is no doubt better than mac, and theres far more software for windows than mac. macs tend to be more reliable, and are free of viruses. plus they can run windows, so...

Gabe3 said,
microsoft is kinda late to the show.

This is the most crappy excuse anti-Microsoft people can think of. What show? Oh wait there isn't one. Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want. This is pathetic, you don't like how successful they are so you just say oh there late so they can't do anything...

Microsoft isn't late. They are pretty damn successful right now though.

Electric Jolt said,

This is the most crappy excuse anti-Microsoft people can think of. What show? Oh wait there isn't one. Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want. This is pathetic, you don't like how successful they are so you just say oh there late so they can't do anything...

Microsoft isn't late. They are pretty damn successful right now though.

I think he just means that Apple has stopped running the ads, and that perhaps they would have been more useful while the campaign was in full tilt.

Electric Jolt said,

This is the most crappy excuse anti-Microsoft people can think of. What show? Oh wait there isn't one. Microsoft can do whatever the hell they want. This is pathetic, you don't like how successful they are so you just say oh there late so they can't do anything...

Microsoft isn't late. They are pretty damn successful right now though.

And this has to be one of the crappiest pro-Microsoft statements people can think of. Apple started the "Get a Mac" campaign how many years ago? Did Microsoft counter then? No. The ads have since ended months if not a year ago, and Microsoft is finally starting to counter? Did the OP say that Microsoft "can't do anything?" Absolutely not, he was simply stating that Microsoft is doing this very late in the game.

Tanshin said,

And this has to be one of the crappiest pro-Microsoft statements people can think of. Apple started the "Get a Mac" campaign how many years ago? Did Microsoft counter then? No. The ads have since ended months if not a year ago, and Microsoft is finally starting to counter? Did the OP say that Microsoft "can't do anything?" Absolutely not, he was simply stating that Microsoft is doing this very late in the game.

What game? It's like your implying this Mac VS PC thing was almost over.

Gabe3 said,
plus they can run windows, so...
Pretty sure they are targeting the OS, not the hardware. If a Mac user buys a copy of Windows then thats a sale for MS. What do they care if the software is on a HP or Dell system or a Mac.

Axon said,

I think he just means that Apple has stopped running the ads, and that perhaps they would have been more useful while the campaign was in full tilt.


+1

Jose_49 said,

Remember this? ROFL!
Yeah the video where he jokes and plays around?

MS are happy if their software gets on competitors devices. They got Bing on the iPhone not long ago if I remember which was a small win too for them even if its not the default search engine.

Tanshin said,

And this has to be one of the crappiest pro-Microsoft statements people can think of. Apple started the "Get a Mac" campaign how many years ago? Did Microsoft counter then? No. The ads have since ended months if not a year ago, and Microsoft is finally starting to counter? Did the OP say that Microsoft "can't do anything?" Absolutely not, he was simply stating that Microsoft is doing this very late in the game.

Here is a fact. You can't be late to a game you already won years before. CAN YOU!!!!
MSFT chose not to enter the debate, because Apple didn't present one worth fighting.

The debate now is simple. Mac's use an equal platform to Windows PC's. Windows has dominated PC with a 96% marrket, while Mac PC's have 3% worldwide. Now that we use the same hardware, MS is simply showing that even though its the same platform; you're not getting the same benefits. Yet Apple Mac's cost far more.

If you get away from stupid bias and name calling and just see everything for what it is, there wouldn't be anything to argue about in the first place. Fact is, Macs are not and never have been better. They are simply a very good alternative if you don't want Windows.

Here is a fact. You can't be late to a game you already won years before. CAN YOU!!!!

What game? It's like your implying this Mac VS PC thing was almost over.

WTF? Have you two seriously never heard the figure of speech "this late in the game?" Hint: Not about an actual game.

billyea said,
It looks really weak.

Very weak. This just seems like a late retaliatory tactic after Apple has already stopped with the "I'm a Mac..." ads. Microsoft makes some valid points but it just seems a little lame. But this shows that they are now taking Apple seriously. Macs increasing marketshare must be a concern for Microsoft if they had to resort to this.

billyea said,
It looks really weak.
Considering the marketing strategy apple has tried to brainwash many peoples mind by saying they are secure or fun. I think its good with ms because they have valid points and because they are valid community will support it.

[quote=billyea said,]It looks really weak.[/quote

It is weak, and it is just showing that Microsoft is starting to take Apple more seriously. That being said, making a website a majority of people are never going to is cheap and pretty weak marketing. Their points aren't nearly as strong as Apple's, and I can identify a few that are either not-true, or Microsoft's own fault. I laughed when I read the line about OS X documents not opening in Microsoft Office. It is MS own fault they don't allow their office suite to open other documents, including OpenOffice.

asdavis10 said,

Very weak. This just seems like a late retaliatory tactic after Apple has already stopped with the "I'm a Mac..." ads. Microsoft makes some valid points but it just seems a little lame. But this shows that they are now taking Apple seriously. Macs increasing marketshare must be a concern for Microsoft if they had to resort to this.

You really think the small growth of the Mac is bothering MSFT? That's a joke right? MS has retain a 90% or better market ever since Windows 95%. They dropped to 89% for like a few weeks. But either way, you really think they are worried?

First, mac's suck as far as business apps. Remember Apple didn't market Macs to all types of business. Most were media types. MS marketed to everyone else, you kno; those guys you media hypes have to do business with in order to be in business? MS retains 65% of this market. The problem also is not only doesn't Macs work well with business apps, the hardware simply cost to much and doesn't offer any benefit for the cost. What good is a $2000 computer, if you can't run all the apps on it? Doesn't work properly with Exchange? You ahve to find a workaround for every workaround.

Apple has a 3% world penetration, where MSFT has a near monopoly at 96%.
MSFT may be concered about Apple in other markets like smartphones or music players, but not desktop pc or even server. Get real!!!!

TechieXP said,

Apple has a 3% world penetration, where MSFT has a near monopoly at 96%.
MSFT may be concered about Apple in other markets like smartphones or music players, but not desktop pc or even server. Get real!!!!

Defensive at all? Regardless, the fact that Microsoft did launch the site is evidence they are paying more attention to the Mac.

Just my opinion, but they are probably concerned that if Apple gets more software support on their Macs then it could steamroll on them.

Rodrigo said,
Why not?

Because they shouldn't need to. If a child slaps you, you don't have to slap back to show that you are the more competitive one, doing so will only show that you're as immature as your "opponent".

Singh400 said,
Because they are sinking to Apple's level. Which I'd rather they didn't do!

How are they sinking to Apple's level? The most "mocking" they made was on the headers, which honestly are true. Or maybe I am not seeing the videos mocking the Mac? xD

Singh400 said,
Because they are sinking to Apple's level. Which I'd rather they didn't do!

Nothing here 'sinks' to any level. It is a factual site which is written very professionally. It wont stop me buying a Mac, but it is clearly the truth. I don't disagree with any of it. I still want a Mac tho!