Microsoft Kin updates will have up to a 15 minute delay

Microsoft has stated that the Kin will only be able to update itself on 15 minute intervals.  The Kin devices will not have true push technology so don’t expect Twitter feeds to be updated in real time.

It’s not entirely surprising that Microsoft is only allowing the devices to sync on a pre determined interval.  According to Engadget, the idea may be to help reduce the data footprints so that Verizon will not kill the device with high priced data packages that may stunt the adoption process.  On this subject, one engineer was quoted as saying, "We didn't want the device always pulling data from the network".

The phone is clearly targeted and teens who want feature rich phones but whose parents do not want to pay the high premium for such devices.   Microsoft knows this and is actively targeting both teens with the feature rich phones, but a locked platform, and parents, with lower data prices. Another reason for the 15 minute delay could be for increased battery life for both the devices.

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I think that there is a totally different reason for the fifteen minute wait time.

First we need to assume some things and set up what goes on in the background on the servers side:
*Microsoft has awesome servers, they are always online, they are fast, and redundant all over the world.
*We have to assume that these will be popular
*the 15 minute update will be staggered across millions of devices

Now with that in mind, think if Microsoft did update every single device at a the same time at realtime intravals. It would bring down any site, and i doubt microsoft wants to be responisble for bringing down all the social networks simultainiously by having thier servers pinging the servers all the time.

If they stager every device at fifteen minute intravals, they still put millions of queries in 15 minutes but not as much strain.

I think its more of a consideration to the providers than incompetence.

Einlander said,
I think that there is a totally different reason for the fifteen minute wait time.

First we need to assume some things and set up what goes on in the background on the servers side:
*Microsoft has awesome servers, they are always online, they are fast, and redundant all over the world.
*We have to assume that these will be popular
*the 15 minute update will be staggered across millions of devices

Now with that in mind, think if Microsoft did update every single device at a the same time at realtime intravals. It would bring down any site, and i doubt microsoft wants to be responisble for bringing down all the social networks simultainiously by having thier servers pinging the servers all the time.

If they stager every device at fifteen minute intravals, they still put millions of queries in 15 minutes but not as much strain.

I think its more of a consideration to the providers than incompetence.

That makes sense too. Good thoughts.

The explanation that this is in order to reduce traffic makes no sense. If the data is transmitted immediately or with a 15 minute delay, the amount of information transmitted remains the same in the end.

roadwarrior said,
The explanation that this is in order to reduce traffic makes no sense. If the data is transmitted immediately or with a 15 minute delay, the amount of information transmitted remains the same in the end.

Its not only about traffic being sent to your phone. As far as I know no social networking sites support push notification (apart from SMS). The iPhone, and Windows mobile facebook apps are constantly refreshing in order to pull data from the facebook servers.

If the data is only pulled every 15mins, this puts less strain on the Microsoft servers (since they pull the data from facebook/myspace/twitter and then push it out to the device), less data is transferred OTA (even if its marginal) and hopefully everyone benefits.

Having a device that is constantly pulling data may force Verizon into a data plan for these devices. Something similar happenned to the iPhone on AT&T. People were buying the iPhone at retail price and then switching over to the pay per month plan with unlimited data and hence saving a good amount of money. AT&T eventually caught on and reduced the prepaid plan to only 100mb data a month.

thealexweb said,
They look horrid.

Personally, it's not my type of phone, but I will say that the teen demographic this seems to be directed at does seem to gravitate towards phones of this form factor... At least that's how it seems from looking at the phones kids are usually tapping away on... lol

Microsoft has stated that the Kin will only be able to update itself on 15 minute intervals. The Kin devices will not have true push technology so don’t expect Twitter feeds to be updated in real time.

The article says "UP TO 15 MINUTES".
It's not sayng "EVERY AND ONLY 15 MINUTES".
It depends on traffic, data, friends/contact, hubs, etc.
Read carefully first

daniel_rh said,
That is what I was thinking, I think it should have an option to change the delay between updates like in Windows Mobile

There's a manual option afaik, just click it when you want. But people should understand that if you're going to use loads of data I'm sure Verizon would just love to charge you more for it.

There's always a tradeff for this. You want a cheap device (which these will be) with a low price plan, but in order to do that you can't go in there and reap the servers every 1min looking for new posts. So MS's Kin servers are set higher it seems.

GP007 said,

There's a manual option afaik, just click it when you want. But people should understand that if you're going to use loads of data I'm sure Verizon would just love to charge you more for it.

There's always a tradeff for this. You want a cheap device (which these will be) with a low price plan, but in order to do that you can't go in there and reap the servers every 1min looking for new posts. So MS's Kin servers are set higher it seems.

Exactly. It's a good move by Microsoft IMO...

Julius Caro said,
The one thing (social networking) that could actually benefit a lot from push, and they dont have it?

Well, if the reason is to cut down on data usage to avoid high cost data plans, it was a rather smart move. I would never get a kid a phone requiring an expensive data plan, but if this were to avoid that, it would be an option IMO... And it gives the kid a lot of features that they would likely appreciate.

Push technology was the best thing ever invented (I must say thank you to my BB Server).

MS Active Sync sucks my ass!!

ceminess said,
Push technology was the best thing ever invented (I must say thank you to my BB Server).

MS Active Sync sucks my ass!!

MS Active sync has Microsoft Direct Push...its been in exchange for a while now.

ceminess said,
Push technology was the best thing ever invented (I must say thank you to my BB Server).

MS Active Sync sucks my ass!!

MS has had push for um ages.... Exchange used it for a very long time now....

neufuse said,

MS has had push for um ages.... Exchange used it for a very long time now....

Guess I should of been a bit more specific on my comment huh. I know they've had push for a while, but I was talking into relation of these phones, obviously if its only checking every 15 minutes then its not push and more like the traditional active sync.

ceminess said,

Guess I should of been a bit more specific on my comment huh. I know they've had push for a while, but I was talking into relation of these phones, obviously if its only checking every 15 minutes then its not push and more like the traditional active sync.

Well this article is very badly written. According to Engadget its not the device that does this. Microsoft Servers will only automatically update every 15mins, and then push the data out to the phone:

But unless you hit a manual refresh button, Microsoft says Kin will only let you stay in touch in fifteen-minute intervals. That's how often the company's servers will ping Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and Windows Live to grab info from the cloud. "We didn't want the device always pulling data from the network," said one engineer, citing battery life and immature social network APIs as primary reasons why. Our take? This might be how Microsoft intends to leverage cheaper data plans out of Verizon -- by subtly throttling data usage

Edited by -Razorfold, Apr 13 2010, 3:21pm :

If this 15 minute delay really does ensure a cheaper price, then that's a big WIN for both parents and Microsoft. The kids, maybe not so much.

magik said,
If this 15 minute delay really does ensure a cheaper price, then that's a big WIN for both parents and Microsoft. The kids, maybe not so much.

I really don't think it matters. If someone updates their Facebook Status, do you REALLY need to know the second they do it? Will 15 minutes later REALLY matter? I'm going to say no. And what if you have a lot of friends (As kids can on these sites)? Your phone would be buzzing constantly...

zagor said,
these devices are ugly enough to make someone puke.

They look like someone took away any useful features of the PSPgo and then smothered it in facebook/myspace/twitter faeces.

All this device will do is add to customer confusion. Project Pink/Zune/Windows Phone 7/Windows Mobile... what o_0?

kraized said,
Social Networking updates but only every fifteen minutes. FAIL!

Cutting down on data usage so as to avoid expensive data plans. WIN!

I just want to know if it syncs with Outook, still haven't found that answer. I would love to see a real time demo of the web surfing experience.

jimmyfal said,
I just want to know if it syncs with Outook, still haven't found that answer. I would love to see a real time demo of the web surfing experience.
AFAIK it supports Exchange, I am not sure if this meet your requirement.