Microsoft doesn't like piracy, wants the EU to do something about it

Microsoft has a good reason to be peeved over piracy in the EU, considering it lost a portion of 13.5B to unlicensed software distribution. Knowing this, don't act surprised to hear that Microsoft wants a piracy reform in the EU, according to Bloomberg

Microsoft wants the EU to act more like the US in terms of piracy by bankrupting anyone who is caught pirating software. Essentially, Microsoft wants to scare the pants off you with a high damage amount so that you wouldn't even think about piracy, not even in your sleep. 

In Europe, about 35 percent of software deployed on personal computers was pirated every year since 2007, compared with 20 percent in the U.S., according to a May study by BSA and researcher IDC

The idea is that the damages would be high enough to deter piracy, avoid the costly courtroom battles and basically save Microsoft a bunch of money. Hopefully these fines will prevent you from downloading software and make everyone a lawful citizen yet again. 

Sure the case has merit as the piracy in the EU is taking a significant chunk of revenue away from Microsoft; but lets make the law reasonable, okay? 

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If you need over 100 euros to upgrade your OS makes lots of sense to make it otherwise! Drop the price to get less piracy on your back.

I'm sure its not hard for MS to track. If, for example, they see 12 million unique visits to WIndows Update only only sold 5million copies then it's obvious that a large part of the other 7 million is stolen.

Steal a 59p chocolate bar - expect to pay 59p if you get caught.
Steal £150s worth of software - expect to pay £150 MILLION if you get caught
...

The Teej said,
Steal a 59p chocolate bar - expect to pay 59p if you get caught.
Steal £150s worth of software - expect to pay £150 MILLION if you get caught
...

Steal a 59p chocolate bar, expect to be caught and arrested, then given a criminal record

/I'm not saying 150Mil to a single user is a valid sum, just that the chocolate bar analogy doesn't work

Windows I can understand, if you are unable to get a pirate copy then you will go out and buy it. Don't start the whole, but you can get linux etc etc for free.....it's not the same thing at all. Office though is a different story. Maybe MS should ditch wordpad and integrate works or something into the OS. Then again they would probably get sued like they did over IE. Suppose they could offer it for a free download though. If they gave a free no frills word/excel etc etc and people STILL download a pirate copy of office then they get everything they deserve if they are caught.

glen8 said,
Windows I can understand, if you are unable to get a pirate copy then you will go out and buy it. Don't start the whole, but you can get linux etc etc for free.....it's not the same thing at all. Office though is a different story. Maybe MS should ditch wordpad and integrate works or something into the OS. Then again they would probably get sued like they did over IE. Suppose they could offer it for a free download though. If they gave a free no frills word/excel etc etc and people STILL download a pirate copy of office then they get everything they deserve if they are caught.

They do offer a no frills free set of Office tools via Live

I do love how companies say how much is lost due to piracy. How many of those people pirating software would pay if forced? Probably very few. Europe is a large area comprising of wealthy and poor countries. In poorer countries a Windows license is the equivalent of a months wages or more for some people. It's good to see Microsoft being socially aware of their customers situation.

paulbeattie87 said,
I do love how companies say how much is lost due to piracy. How many of those people pirating software would pay if forced? Probably very few. Europe is a large area comprising of wealthy and poor countries. In poorer countries a Windows license is the equivalent of a months wages or more for some people. It's good to see Microsoft being socially aware of their customers situation.

The article mentions that they are most interested in France, Germany, Italy and the UK, which are hardly the poor parts of the EU

In addition to that, the article is not entirely clear on if they care too much about personal pirates, or counterfeiters (think large scale activities, which usually run for profit and are repeatedly mentioned in the article, more so than "pirates")

At any rate, the part that ****ed me off was AutoDesk complaining that a licencee would pay for one of their products, then use more than just that one product. IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU DIDN'T CHARGE $3000.00 FOR AUTOCAD YOU JACKASSES

Sraf said,

The article mentions that they are most interested in France, Germany, Italy and the UK, which are hardly the poor parts of the EU

In addition to that, the article is not entirely clear on if they care too much about personal pirates, or counterfeiters (think large scale activities, which usually run for profit and are repeatedly mentioned in the article, more so than "pirates")

At any rate, the part that ****ed me off was AutoDesk complaining that a licencee would pay for one of their products, then use more than just that one product. IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU DIDN'T CHARGE $3000.00 FOR AUTOCAD YOU JACKASSES

Office, Photoshop, Autocad and a WHOLE LOT of of other software programs are so over priced, I wouldn't pay for it in a million years!! Yes, I know those aren't all MS products, but the same principle.

Simply way to many free, excellent alternatives.

cork1958 said,

Office, Photoshop, Autocad and a WHOLE LOT of of other software programs are so over priced, I wouldn't pay for it in a million years!! Yes, I know those aren't all MS products, but the same principle.

Simply way to many free, excellent alternatives.

AutoDesk is the worst of the worst though, where a single software title from them can cost as much as the whole Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection (Which is also overpriced)

Sraf said,

At any rate, the part that ****ed me off was AutoDesk complaining that a licencee would pay for one of their products, then use more than just that one product. IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU DIDN'T CHARGE $3000.00 FOR AUTOCAD YOU JACKASSES

Pft, $3000 is a drop in the ocean compared to some software. I had to buy a certain software application which cost me £12,000 ($18,700) with an annual maintenance fee of £1,600 ($2,500). Now THAT is expensive.

PeteWhite said,

Pft, $3000 is a drop in the ocean compared to some software. I had to buy a certain software application which cost me £12,000 ($18,700) with an annual maintenance fee of £1,600 ($2,500). Now THAT is expensive.

Is that commercial software, or something that would conceivably have some home use as well?

Microsoft wants the EU to act more like the US in terms of piracy by bankrupting anyone who is caught pirating software. Essentially, Microsoft wants to scare the pants off you with a high damage amount so that you wouldn't even think about piracy, not even in your sleep.

Great. Scary sentences instead of sentences balanced to the crime done. Let's throw the entire legal system out of the window while we are at it, Microsoft?

This is the kind of crap reasoning that make it a worse crime to pirate Office 2010 than rape an underage girl...

Northgrove said,

Great. Scary sentences instead of sentences balanced to the crime done. Let's throw the entire legal system out of the window while we are at it, Microsoft?

This is the kind of crap reasoning that make it a worse crime to pirate Office 2010 than rape an underage girl...


It's scary because it was paraphrased from the original article. Typical sensationalism.

Maybe Microsoft could use these tips?
1. Have a live-dvd download (or something simular) on you website so people can try the program legally (live-cd's help you find out if linux is something for you. Why wouldn't it help others to find out if the newest windows version is something for them)?
2. Ask reasonable prices for you product. No one wants to spend a lot of money when all actually need is firefox and libreoffice...
3. Don't annoy your (legit) customers with irritating DRM. Some company's seem to obsessed with annoying legit users who payed for their software. (For example the always online drm from ubisoft. Users who buy the game cannot play when their connection drops out or when the servers are down again.)
4. Not really that annoying but still: Don't make a dozen different versions of the same product. For example just have 2 windows versions (for the end user). A home edition and a more expensive 'pro' edition. Most home users just only seem to need facebook anyway...
5. Payed software should always be better then any (and all) popular free software.
6. Not everyone who downloads an illegal thing, would have bought it
7. Some people who downloaded illegal software, have a license... but a broken cd/dvd

For now I'll stick with xubuntu, libreoffice, opera browser and for my gaming needs I have a PS3

sirnh1 said,
Maybe Microsoft could use these tips?
1. Have a live-dvd download (or something simular) on you website so people can try the program legally (live-cd's help you find out if linux is something for you. Why wouldn't it help others to find out if the newest windows version is something for them)?
2. Ask reasonable prices for you product. No one wants to spend a lot of money when all actually need is firefox and libreoffice...
3. Don't annoy your (legit) customers with irritating DRM. Some company's seem to obsessed with annoying legit users who payed for their software. (For example the always online drm from ubisoft. Users who buy the game cannot play when their connection drops out or when the servers are down again.)
4. Not really that annoying but still: Don't make a dozen different versions of the same product. For example just have 2 windows versions (for the end user). A home edition and a more expensive 'pro' edition. Most home users just only seem to need facebook anyway...
5. Payed software should always be better then any (and all) popular free software.
6. Not everyone who downloads an illegal thing, would have bought it
7. Some people who downloaded illegal software, have a license... but a broken cd/dvd

For now I'll stick with xubuntu, libreoffice, opera browser and for my gaming needs I have a PS3


Very good calls IMHO.

GS:mac

Theft is theft. People try to convince themselves otherwise. I use Ubuntu, it has I need. LibreOffice is as good as MS Office for the non-corporate requirements. For Windows users there is liberkey.com for all their software needs.
If your morals are not enough then remember, you can't hide from Karma. What you win by theft, you will loose another way somewhere else.

Jivan Naveen said,
Theft is theft. People try to convince themselves otherwise. I use Ubuntu, it has I need. LibreOffice is as good as MS Office for the non-corporate requirements. For Windows users there is liberkey.com for all their software needs.
If your morals are not enough then remember, you can't hide from Karma. What you win by theft, you will loose another way somewhere else.

Holier-than-thou attitudes are NOT the solution.

Piracy is not stealing. If I take your bicycle without paying you for it, then that is stealing. If I use a matter replicator, and make a copy of your bicycle, which I use, it does not deprive you of your bicycle, so I have not stolen from you. This is one of the key differences between theft and copyright violations. Copying software is a copyright infringement, not theft. That is why you get sued into oblivion, but not arrested.

Problem is Windows is monopolized, Office, you kinda have options, but when you're hired by a company for IT support or so, you have to know windows backwards, you can't do that unless you buy it, and the prices of Windows Operative System are very high, and most people can't afford it. Most IT companies won't value your knowledge just on Linux. So, problem 1, the price. Problem two, to work in IT, you have to have money to afford to buy a operative system which you will be working on. No mentioning to have a MCSE certification, you have to sell your guts since they are expensive as hell. That's on of my problems.
I don't mind downloading a illegal copy and have to reinstall it every 30 days, is it legal to use Windows during that time without being activated?
For office ,well, OpenOffice, LibreOffice, Kingsoft Office (this latest is awesome) are good alternatives for using, but for support a customer that uses MS office, you have to know something about it and that something you dont get it just by using MS office at work I guess, specially with Outlook. This is my opinion.

SO yeah, drop the prices, of the OS's mainly.

They can't lose what they never had in the first place. Also, Microsoft has been convicted many times now of stealing from customers (overcharging).

If you stripped out all the pirate copies of windows their market share would be somewhat lower in the UK thats for sure. And bankrupting pirates is beyond draconion.

alot of people i know have pirate windows and office! (i dont cause my boss provided me with a copy). the main reason they have pirated copys is the price! if windows bought down there prices people would likey buy a copy!

In first place, I think that those "pirates" only "pirate it" because they are pretty close to MS wants from them... bankrupt them. And I mean the users that download and install on their computers, not sell the copies, because I'm against that.

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