Microsoft officially announces 12-inch Surface Pro 3, starting at $799

As part of its press event in New York City today, Microsoft has confirmed it will release Surface Pro 3, the latest version of its high end tablet that uses Windows 8.1 and will have an Intel Core processor inside and with a 12 inch screen.

Microsoft is promoting the Surface Pro 3 as the "tablet that can replace your laptop"  The 12 inch screen has a resolution of 2160x1440 and has a 3:2 aspect ratio. However, Microsoft is also promoting it as a light device at just 800g. In fact, Surface's general manager Panos Panay placed the Surface Pro 3 on a scale alongside the Apple Macbook Air and the Apple notebook weighed more.

The tablet has an Intel Core i7 processor inside but still has a thin case design that's just 9.1 mm thick, along with "new fan technology that is 30% more efficient than previous solutions". The Surface Pro 3 will also get its own docking station accessory. The Surface Twitter account has confirmed that the Surface Pro 3 will also come in versions that have Intel Core i3 and i5 processors.

Microsoft is also showing off the new Type Covers for the Surface Pro 3, which Panay claims has some major improvements for its track pad compared to the previous versions of the covers. The new covers also connect in a different way to the Surface Pro 3 so that it offers better stability for when users have the tablet and cover on their laps.

The color of the Surface Pro 3 appears to be magnesium, the same as the Surface 2. Panay also showed off some of the touch pen support for the tablet, including a New York Times crossword app that allows users to write in the solutions to the crossword with the pen and then see the digital writing change to fit the squares on the puzzle.

Another demo showed how screenwriters can use the Final Draft software on the Surface Pro 3 and then go into Snap mode to watch the film itself and compare it to the script. Panay used the upcoming film Earth to Echo, which is produced by his brother Andrew, as an example of this kind of work.

Panay also showed off the new Surface Pen stylus, which has a button that can be clicked to take a screenshot on the tablet. Combined with the Windows 8.1 version of OneNote, the Surface Pro 3 can take notes with the pen and store those notes to the cloud.

The starting price of the Surface Pro 3 will be $799 and will go on sale for pre-order at 12:01 am Eastern time Wednesday at the Microsoft Store website. The tablet will also go on sale June 20 at Microsoft's retail stores in the U.S and Canada, along with other retailers. By the end of August, it will be on sale in 26 other countries.

Here's the full list of Surface Pro 3 versions and their prices:

  • Intel Core i3, 64 GB and 4 GB of RAM - $799
  • Intel Core i5, 128 GB and 4 GB of RAM - $999
  • Intel Core i5, 256 GB and 8 GB of RAM - $1,299
  • Intel Core i7, 256 GB and 8 GB of RAM - $1,549
  • Intel Core i7, 512 GB7 and 8 GB of RAM - $1,949
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the battery life is very important to me!! I'll buy the one that have better performance to battery life ratio i think its going to be the i5 version

All fun and games, but what happened to Surface RT (ARM) tablets? Unless I missed something, the announcement was only for Surface Pro (x86) tablets.
Are Surface RT deprecated or will arrive at a later date?

dbam987 said,
And... pre-ordered the Core-i5 / 256 GB model. Offloading my MacBook Pro due to... lack of innovation!

You.... you.... lucky b-tard ;-) We'll have to wait untill August to be able to do that :-\

At least my iPad has 4G for that price, geez Mircosoft, when going to add 4G?? I can imagine in Australia that'll cost the earth and I'd rather a laptop/desktop for the price you can do heaps more

Pre-Order: http://surface.microsoftstore....e-Pro-3/productID.300190600

$799.00 - Surface Pro 3 - 64GB / Intel i3 - Shipping By 8/31/2014
$999.00 - Surface Pro 3 - 128GB / Intel i5 - Shipping By 6/20/2014
$1299.00 - Surface Pro 3 - 256GB / Intel i5 - Shipping By 6/20/2014
$1549.00 - Surface Pro 3 - 256GB / Intel i7 - Shipping By 8/31/2014
$1949.00 - Surface Pro 3 - 512GB / Intel i7 - Shipping By 8/31/2014

Common Specs:

Software
Windows 8.1 Pro

Exterior
Dimensions: 11.5 x 7.93 x .36 in • Weight: 1.76 lbs • Casing: VaporMg • Color: Silver • Physical buttons: Volume, Power, Home

Storage
64GB, 128GB, 256GB, or 512GB2 • 64GB has >36GB available disk space • 128GB has >96GB available disk space • 256GB has >211GB available disk space • 512GB has >450GB available disk space

Display

Screen: 12" ClearType Full HD Display • Resolution: 2160 x 1440 • Aspect Ratio: 3:2 • Touch: 10-point multi-touch

CPU & Wireless
4th generation Intel Core i3, i5, or i7 Processor options • System memory: 4GB or 8GB • TPM Chip for enterprise security • Wireless: Wi-Fi 802.11ac/802.11 a/b/g/n • Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy technology

Battery Life
Up to 9 hours battery life

Cameras, Video & Audio
Two 5MP HD cameras, front and rear-facing • Stereo microphones • Stereo speakers with Dolby sound

Ports
Full-size USB 3.0 • microSD card reader • Headphone jack • Mini DisplayPort • Cover port
Sensors Ambient light sensor • Accelerometer • Gyroscope • Magnetometer
Warranty 1-year limited hardware warranty
Surface Pen
Dimensions: 135mm (length), 9.5mm (diameter) • Weight: 20 grams

Pre-installed Apps
Flipboard • Skype Wi-Fi • Skype • OneNote MX • Solitaire • Mahjong • Sudoku/Microsoft Number Puzzle • Fresh Paint

In the box:
Surface Pro 3 • Surface Pen • 36-watt power supply • Quick Start Guide • Safety and warranty documents

I don't like it very much... It's just such an awkward fit. Weird aspect ratio, weird button placement, weird keyboard cover, ###### digitizer. And weird timing too just months after Surface 2. Where is MS taking the lineup??

I don't know how to feel about that aspect ratio. Also how would programs and text look at native resolution and 100% scaling?

This is a great PRO offering but it's not going to go mainstream at that price. It's a good deal if you need all that performance but most people don't. They need to offer a lower end option as well. Something like a 1920x1200 resolution Surface with the Intel "Moorefield" SoC instead of a full Core CPU.

Yet the MacBook Pro (of which there were plenty at the presser) is? Note - the MBP costs more than even the top-end Pro 3. There are plenty of mainstream notebooks - consider Toshiba's Satellite line, or even Dell's Latitudes or HP's Pavilion notebooks. What has been sorely missing is something between those and the "boutique" notebooks from Alienware (and the MBP, to be honest) - the Pro 3 fits that space.

PGHammer said,
Yet the MacBook Pro (of which there were plenty at the presser) is? Note - the MBP costs more than even the top-end Pro 3. There are plenty of mainstream notebooks - consider Toshiba's Satellite line, or even Dell's Latitudes or HP's Pavilion notebooks. What has been sorely missing is something between those and the "boutique" notebooks from Alienware (and the MBP, to be honest) - the Pro 3 fits that space.

I didn't say anything about the MacBook Pro. But since you decided to bring it up I don't think it's what most would consider mainstream either. MacBooks (all of them, not just Pros) form only a tiny portion of laptop sales, something like 4% of the notebook market in 2013, the most recent full year of data. Yet Chromebooks, which are significantly less capable than a MacBook or full Windows based Notebook have over 21% of the notebook market and are growing fast. I don't get why MS wants to carve these tiny little niche out with the pro. Lets say it doubles the MacBook Pro's market share... that's a wopping 8%. You know everyone is going to report how they aren't selling well because the press hates MS compared to their love affair with Apple. They need something that can sell to the mainstream. The Surface (RT) wasn't it because it was ARM based and wouldn't run peoples software and these Intel Core based tablets are awesome but just too high end for mass consumption. The "Moorefield" SoC from Intel is an x86-64 compatible cheap processor that should be able to run Windows in on a cheap tablet device. They don't need to outperform a MacBook Pro, they need to outsell a Chromebook.

Asmodai said,

Yet Chromebooks have over 21% of the notebook market and are growing fast.

I thought this myth was debunked months ago:

“Chromebook sales are nowhere near 21% of notebooks overall, or 10% or all computers and tablets. You'd have to include the qualifiers about 21% of “US commercial channels.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ti...ugh-us-commercial-channels/

"Baker defined the commercial channel as the distributors -- like CDW and Ingram Micro -- that many businesses, government agencies, schools and other organizations use to buy personal computers and other devices. His data did *not* include consumer sales, nor PCs sold by OEMs, such as Dell and Hewlett-Packard, directly to businesses."

http://www.computerworld.com/s...defend_platform_s_potential

In short... Chromebooks did NOT represent 1 out 5 of laptop sales last year...

wow I cant understand the complaints with prices, the i3, 4GB ram, 64GB SSD at $799 is only $40 more than the Galaxy NotePRO, 3GB ram, 32GB SSD.

What Microsoft really showed today is that one they aren't messing around anymore, the Surface is a means to inspire the OEMS to not be making #### anymore. Microsoft showed that their is still innovation to be made in the market, that OEMs need to stop designing gimmicks and innovate. I really hope the OEM's see this and start designing awesome new hybrids, many won't, many will just switch to Android or Chromebook, I say thats an easy cop out. I'm really like this new Microsoft

Also I wonder now whats going to happen with Nokia's tablets with the acquisition complete now. I see at this point the Lumia devices being the phone/phablet/mini tablet line running WP. Surface being the full hyrbid running Windows 8 full

Looking at the $ prices I am hoping the top model with the i7 will come in at around £1400. A little on the expensive side but if it comes with the SP3 Type Cover I think I am pretty much sold! Looks like a great machine for me :yes:

Edit: Or £1100 for the 256GB SSD i7 model would be epic!

Wondering how long will it take (MS) to address the hardware issues this thing obviously has, via firmware and other software workarounds? If you dont have medium-term amnesia, everybody had erection and wetdreams when MS announced the 1st gen surface back in 2012 September. After a couple of weeks, hysteria settled down, and people realised the RT is underpowered, and the Pro overheats, too bulky and the battery time is a bad joke. At the first time it took MS 6-7 months starting from 2012. december until 2013 August to solve the issue of the WIFI disconnections. Surface 2 / Surface 2 pro STILL has reboot issues (its definitely not a vocal minority as all vendors want to believe you via corporate damage control practices), and also heard a similar (or the same? I dont know) issues about the WIFI thing (somebody said its a faulty design of the Bluetooth and Wifi working in parallel, its a HW limitation that cannot be worked around via firmware no matter how hard vendor tries).

Curious how all the wannabe betatesters )posting here that they are happily willing to throw their hard earned money to MS) will feel after the excitement of the consumer favorite society past time hobby, the UNBOXING (!) settles down, and they realise they have been cheated AGAIN.
Seems people never learn, not even from their very own mistakes, not even if they made it only 6 or 12 months ago.
These electronic junks are absolutely not built to last. Unfortunately thats not exclusive to MS, but to the entire industry. Even it its magnesium case (surface lineup), it will degrade. After 3-4 months the warranty expired, it will start developing touchscreen issues, electrical contact issues, touch cover will "rot" to reveal the board under the material, the built-in battery charge-counter will trigger a hw malfunction after 100-150 recharge cycles (even if battery would still function perfectly for another 1-2 years), the case will slightly deform (my RT was never exposed to falling, or any other type of strong force, still I started feeling at some places the glass of the screen is higher by 1mm than the case) due to the glue-issues etc.
Its no use of the hype.

I don't think anyone believes this is a perfect product but I feel MS corrected the issues with SP2 and even though my SP2 has some creaking now around the camera area of the bezel I would still happily say and advocate these being high quality well built devices.

The industry praises Apple for build quality, I am sure I could google and find issues with those - again no product is perfect but looking gen to gen its hard to argue MS hasn't kept improving and these devices keep getting better.

Would happily hand over my cash to MS day 1 if they could get their crap together and release a product in a descent time frame after launching it,

soder said,
Wondering how long will it take (MS) to address the hardware issues this thing obviously has, via firmware and other software workarounds? If you dont have medium-term amnesia, everybody had erection and wetdreams when MS announced the 1st gen surface back in 2012 September. After a couple of weeks, hysteria settled down, and people realised the RT is underpowered, and the Pro overheats, too bulky and the battery time is a bad joke. At the first time it took MS 6-7 months starting from 2012. december until 2013 August to solve the issue of the WIFI disconnections. Surface 2 / Surface 2 pro STILL has reboot issues (its definitely not a vocal minority as all vendors want to believe you via corporate damage control practices), and also heard a similar (or the same? I dont know) issues about the WIFI thing (somebody said its a faulty design of the Bluetooth and Wifi working in parallel, its a HW limitation that cannot be worked around via firmware no matter how hard vendor tries).

Curious how all the wannabe betatesters )posting here that they are happily willing to throw their hard earned money to MS) will feel after the excitement of the consumer favorite society past time hobby, the UNBOXING (!) settles down, and they realise they have been cheated AGAIN.
Seems people never learn, not even from their very own mistakes, not even if they made it only 6 or 12 months ago.
These electronic junks are absolutely not built to last. Unfortunately thats not exclusive to MS, but to the entire industry. Even it its magnesium case (surface lineup), it will degrade. After 3-4 months the warranty expired, it will start developing touchscreen issues, electrical contact issues, touch cover will "rot" to reveal the board under the material, the built-in battery charge-counter will trigger a hw malfunction after 100-150 recharge cycles (even if battery would still function perfectly for another 1-2 years), the case will slightly deform (my RT was never exposed to falling, or any other type of strong force, still I started feeling at some places the glass of the screen is higher by 1mm than the case) due to the glue-issues etc.
Its no use of the hype.

Don't know what you're talking about, my Surface still works great and the MS store has straight swapped my touchcover twice because of that minor design flaw with the felt coming out of the plastic strip which is basically purely cosmetic. The 1st time was right after I got it and the second was only recently, wayy out of warranty, no questions asked. That's pretty damn good.

The original, you likely mean. C2 (and even C3) were playable (though not at ridiculously high settings) on any Core i-series iGPU from 2nd-generation to now - that was exactly why the high-end GPU users griped.

ACTIONpack said,
Surface Pro 3 should start at $599.

Maybe they'll let, you know, the OEMs make a 12" tablet and price it at $599? They've been clear about not wanting to compete directly with their partners, the Surface devices set a bar and then the OEMs try to match it or beat it.

It strikes me that they're really trying to make the "Currier" concept live a new life in the Surface 3 Pro... not quite there yet, but significant progress on that path.

pmbAustin said,
It strikes me that they're really trying to make the "Currier" concept live a new life in the Surface 3 Pro... not quite there yet, but significant progress on that path.

You mean "courier" ? This isn't an indian meal, lol ;)

I was really excited especially about it being fanless then we got to the pen. N-Trig. NO one wants N-Trig. Way to kill it, Microsoft!

mrp04 said,
I was really excited especially about it being fanless then we got to the pen. N-Trig. NO one wants N-Trig. Way to kill it, Microsoft!

I haven't been a fan of Ntrig in the past but you can't ignore that what was shown during the live stream was good.

I don't think MS would have gone with Ntrig if it compromised the inking experience that they've just put front and centre and they wouldn't have adobe on stage if it didn't deliver a solid inking experience.

The worry might be the 256pressure point sensitivity. Thought the Wacom on SP2 was 1020 odd.

Osiris said,

I haven't been a fan of Ntrig in the past but you can't ignore that what was shown during the live stream was good.

I don't think MS would have gone with Ntrig if it compromised the inking experience that they've just put front and centre and they wouldn't have adobe on stage if it didn't deliver a solid inking experience.

The worry might be the 256pressure point sensitivity. Thought the Wacom on SP2 was 1020 odd.

Not entirely sure, but the Pro has 256 as well...

Enron said,
Whats that and whats bad about it?

N-Trig is a company that makes digitizers. My only experience with their tech was back in 2007 with the Dell Latitude XT. It worked well when it worked, but the drivers were really shoddy. Hopefully since they're working with Microsoft directly, drivers won't be a problem.

Enron said,
Whats that and whats bad about it?

they make really ###### digitizers. odd choice considering Wacom is the industry leader and MS also acquired their own digitizer company. I would have expected them to use their new acquisition.

No Mini guys, so no point in waiting for it.

Also the price starts at $799 but it comes in i3, i5 and i7 versions so that starting price is for a i3.

As for why they moved the button, because it's mostly optimized for note taking and when you do that you're going to hold it in portrait and not landscape, so the button is in the bottom in that case.

George P said,
No Mini guys, so no point in waiting for it.

Also the price starts at $799 but it comes in i3, i5 and i7 versions so that starting price is for a i3.

As for why they moved the button, because it's mostly optimized for note taking and when you do that you're going to hold it in portrait and not landscape, so the button is in the bottom in that case.

Also it seems the new k/b is in the way of the button.

Dutchie64 said,

Also it seems the new k/b is in the way of the button.

Yeah, you're right, now that you said it I remembered about the new cover option and how that would get in the way of it.

My Surface Pro 1 randomly reboots ever since upgrading to Windows 8.1 ... subsequent firmware updates reduced the frequency a bit, but it still happens. Which means I've basically stopped using it, as I'm too frustrated from losing work.

I may look into just writing it off completely and picking up one of these instead. However, I use my Surface 2 a lot already (mostly for reading and playing games though). I'll have to ponder whether this is worth the money.

It sure looks and sounds great though.

Maybe it's developed a hardware problem, or maybe simply the 8.1 update hasn't installed properly. Do a full OS recovery and if it didn't work, send it back.

pmbAustin said,
If you google "spontaneous Surface Pro reboots", you'll find TONS of people have this issue.

I'm just trying to help; not taking sides.

You can't measure how widespread an issue is based on some web search results, mainly pointing to the same posts, written by a vocal minority.

You can get the same search results for pretty much every single electronic device on the planet.

I'm not saying there is no issue, there clearly is, but instead of endlessly going through web searches, try my solutions. That's what OS recovery and device warranty are for.

pmbAustin said,
My Surface Pro 1 randomly reboots ever since upgrading to Windows 8.1 ... subsequent firmware updates reduced the frequency a bit, but it still happens. Which means I've basically stopped using it, as I'm too frustrated from losing work.

I may look into just writing it off completely and picking up one of these instead. However, I use my Surface 2 a lot already (mostly for reading and playing games though). I'll have to ponder whether this is worth the money.

It sure looks and sounds great though.


May be you can take it to Microsoft care instead of posting here...

Rolling back to 8.0 fixes the problem. Upgrading to 8.1 again (any version, even the updates) brings it back. It's weird. But Microsoft doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it. Others have taken their devices back, and managed to exchange them for new ones, only for the new ones to have the same issue.

Regardless, like I said, I'm ready to just write it off at this point, as no solution seems forthcoming. But the new Surface Pro 3 looks amazing anyway, so while it's an expensively painful rationalization, it's STILL a rationalization for me to use to convince myself it's okay to buy the new toy :-)

Didn't see any demo unit today rebooting on live cast.

Also, I'm pretty sure most people in MS now uses a surface pro in one way or another. If it really reboots out of the blue for most people, they'd have fixed it by now.

Mackster said,
My eternal question: Why should we buy a tablet instead of a laptop?

Personally I have always seen a Tablet as a Laptop on steroids. So far I have always and only bought Convertible ones but I will try this one. Granted if you do presentations or need a very large screen.... a laptop is the way to go.

Those who want or need a tablet PC, buy a tablet PC.

You, whoever the collective "you" are, clearly want a laptop, and devices like surface pro aren't even targeted at you.

eddman said,
Those who want or need a tablet PC, buy a tablet PC.

You, whoever the collective "you" are, clearly want a laptop, and devices like surface pro aren't even targeted at you.

Not necessarily true. Well at least for me.... and BG.

Mackster said,
My eternal question: Why should we buy a tablet instead of a laptop?

A counter question: why should we buy a laptop instead of a desktop?

Mackster said,
My eternal question: Why should we buy a tablet instead of a laptop?

Microsoft says you can have both! But convergence devices always have tradeoffs.

The original Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 were a nice tablet size.... but at 10.6" they were kinda small to function as a laptop. They were more tablet-ey than laptop-ey.

This new 12" Surface Pro 3 brings it closer to a comfortable laptop size... but 12" also makes it sort of an unwieldy tablet. It's more laptop-ey than tablet-ey.

It seems difficult to actually get the best of both worlds.

Personally... my ideal portable combo would be a 14" traditional laptop and an 8" tablet. I don't mind carrying two devices if they both do exactly what they're supposed to do.

Crimson Rain said,

A counter question: why should we buy a laptop instead of a desktop?

On top of my head: upgradability, therefore longevity, raw power, better graphics.

FINALLY Microsoft got it right. I disagree with the form factor naysayers. I like the 4:3. Do you guys also dislike common paper size (8.5x11)?
Two concerns: Since the pen has a click eraser, can you still flip it to erase?
Also, did you notice when he lowered the stand to 150 degrees, the keyboard magnets didn't hold it to the screen? It seems the magnets didn't overcome the plastic bend of the keyboard hinge.
Does anyone want to buy a Samsung Series 7 slate with Win8.1?
... and I don't recall any mentions of battery life in "hours". I heard better than Pro 2.

willgill said,
FINALLY Microsoft got it right. I disagree with the form factor naysayers. I like the 4:3. Do you guys also dislike common paper size (8.5x11)?
Two concerns: Since the pen has a click eraser, can you still flip it to erase?
Also, did you notice when he lowered the stand to 150 degrees, the keyboard magnets didn't hold it to the screen? It seems the magnets didn't overcome the plastic bend of the keyboard hinge.
Does anyone want to buy a Samsung Series 7 slate with Win8.1?
... and I don't recall any mentions of battery life in "hours". I heard better than Pro 2.

25 to 30% more than SP2

•i3-4GB RAM-64GB - $799
•i5-4GB RAM-128GB - $999
•i5-8GB RAM-256GB - $1299
•i7-8GB RAM-256GB - $1549
•i7-8GB RAM-512GB - $1949

Yea, not spending 800 bucks for only 64gb of storage. If I were to buy one of these, it would be a replacement to my laptop and I want at least 1tb of space.

George P said,
•i3-4GB RAM-64GB - $799
•i5-4GB RAM-128GB - $999
•i5-8GB RAM-256GB - $1299
•i7-8GB RAM-256GB - $1549
•i7-8GB RAM-512GB - $1949

$1549/256GB is not too bad but it should include the keyboard. With it and tax will be around $1700, I am buying it after checking the handwriting in a store; I am concerned that it does not use a Wacom digitizer.

Enron said,
4GB and 64GB. Not amazing but I think it has SD card slot like the Surface and Surface 2.

Yeah, but I don't think they have SD cards bigger than 64GB do they? Still, you could just swap different ones in and out if you really want to.

This device isn't targeting average users, it's for work, when you are the type of person who is looking to buy something like this for your work then you have the money to buy one of the i5 or i7 models as well.

George P said,

Yeah, but I don't think they have SD cards bigger than 64GB do they? Still, you could just swap different ones in and out if you really want to.

This device isn't targeting average users, it's for work, when you are the type of person who is looking to buy something like this for your work then you have the money to buy one of the i5 or i7 models as well.

1tb USB 3.0 'nub' drives are readily available. (Once people look up the price, they will see why they are not common and why SSD prices go up rather quickly.)

Xenon said,
I would love to get one, but not for that price. If it was $200 cheaper I would buy it.

Not to start an argument (have been accused for that in another thread...), but what tablet/laptop/notebook can you buy for $599,- with those specs and build?

Apple doesn't deliver, Google Chromebooks don't deliver. Heck, even the OEM's don't deliver. So why should MS sell this thing cheap?

Dutchie64 said,

Apple doesn't deliver, Google Chromebooks don't deliver. Heck, even the OEM's don't deliver. So why should MS sell this thing cheap?

Exactly! Microsoft priced this really well!

ir0nw0lf said,
Win 8.1 or 8.1 Pro? I would also presume 8.1u1 as well?

I guess Surface Pro.... W8 Pro. At least I hope so although not a big deal for me: if not W8 Pro I will just retire my ancient Portege M400, which shipped with XP Tablet, and move the OS to this one.

ir0nw0lf said,
Win 8.1 or 8.1 Pro? I would also presume 8.1u1 as well?

8,1 Pro. All Surface Pro's run Win8 Pro. Hence the name ;-P

Rosyna said,
It is not fanless. It has a fan. A large one with large vent holes surrounding the Surface Pro 3.

I wouldn't call it "large", and while it does have a fan I'm expecting people not to notice it.

Rosyna said,
It is not fanless. It has a fan. A large one with large vent holes surrounding the Surface Pro 3.

Panos made a point during the presentation about what is meant by "fanless". If you can't see, hear, or feel the fan, then what is the distinction between "fan" and "fanless"?

yea, the multitasking capabilities of the surface is a winner for me but I need the mobility. Carrying a mifi hotspot isn't acceptable either. Now I'm hoping Apple comes out with split screen multi tasking as has been rumored.

I'm not throwing the Surface under the bus here. I think MS has a flipping homerun on their hands. It just doesn't fit my use case without mobile connectivity.

Ok, 800grams, sold.

Finally a device that I've always wanted. It easily replaces my tablet, my suface pro, and my macbook. Im excited to put this thing through its paces.

j2006 said,
DAMN!!! They NAILED it! And for only $799! OMG This is definitely my next primary device.

Have prices already been published? Not the starting one, I5/I7, SSD sizes and keyboard. I would go as far as $1500, maybe a little higher for a serious SSD, not a fan of the Cloud.

So bummed no Surface mini

Guess I'll keep my surface Pro 1 another year.

I simply want a surface shrunk to 7-8 inches, it can even be RT based for all I care.

So bummed, 12 inch Surface 3 does nothing for me.

TheShark said,
Looks like they are saving the mini until they merge WP & RT; so I guess still quite a wait.

That makes sense or possibly waiting for back to school season.

j2006 said,

That makes sense or possibly waiting for back to school season.

With school//university in mind a 12" screen seems more useful than a "Mini", at least for me. In the good old time, many years ago, I attended university I consumed tons of paper notepads.

The Surface Pro 3 will also get its own docking station accessory.

Wonder if they'll actually be able to stock this one. We still have two docking stations on order since December for the Surface Pro 2.

TCLN Ryster said,

Wonder if they'll actually be able to stock this one. We still have two docking stations on order since December for the Surface Pro 2.

If you're still waiting on a docking station for the Surface Pro, I may sell mine. PM me if your interested.

Thanks for the offer. These are for the company I work for though, so I doubt they could pay you, at least not without setting you up as a supplier, etc.

Agreed... amazing specs, amazing price, and well demonstrated :D
That OneNote pen is truly innovative too... I can see myself using that often.

Not too happy with the ratio. And that side button... I hope they don't make it to the Surface 3. Rest of it looks good so far.

BritBronco said,
And i just got my Pro2 two months back :(

If the 10" is a good enough size for you, why a sad face? But I'm trigger happy to sell my Surface and go for this one too ;-)

Dutchie64 said,

If the 10" is a good enough size for you, why a sad face? But I'm trigger happy to sell my Surface and go for this one too ;-)


Yeah, at this point I just don't know if I want a larger device.

I do like new weight/thinness.

4:3 is pretty much a non-starter these days - in fact, it's been a nonstarter merely in desktops since the first term of the most recent Bush. (I even admitted that when I went from 4:3 to 16:9, I was late - and that was in 2009.)

Dot Matrix said,
Told ya no 4:3

True, but 3:2 is a lot closer to 4:3 you said was so worthless than the 16:9

Edited by warwagon, May 20 2014, 4:39pm :

Dot Matrix said,
Told ya no 4:3

Hold on to your hats. Mini hasn't been announced (yet). ;)

Though I wouldn't be surprised if it were 3:2 like this one.

warwagon said,

True, but 3:2 is a lot closer to 4:3 you said was so worthless than the 16:9 or 16:10

3:2 still uses a wider format. Fullscreen *is* useless.

warwagon said,

True, but 3:2 is a lot closer to 4:3 you said was so worthless than the 16:9 or 16:10

3:2 and 16:10 are closer than 3:2 and 4:3 are, unless my math is wrong.

George P said,

3:2 and 16:10 are closer than 3:2 and 4:3 are, unless my math is wrong.

Percent_diff(16:10, 3:2) = 6.5%
Percent_diff(4:3, 3:2) = 11.8%
Percent_diff(16:9, 3:2) = 17%

Too bad close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades ;).

Gotta see weight and this all day battery life, but I'm upgrading from my surface pro 1 for sure. Jesus microsoft is finally stepping it up.

Sikh said,
Gotta see weight and this all day battery life, but I'm upgrading from my surface pro 1 for sure. Jesus microsoft is finally stepping it up.

weight is 800g
Typecover 3 is 250g
battery life on website is rated as 9hours of web-browsing.

I see the press announcement has links to docx files. Looking at them now. Thanks for the heads up. Expected to see it on the website but just not available until tomorrow.

It's gorg! I just don't know about the location Windows button but lets see... Mind you, that's by no means a deal breaker.

I mean, a tablet that long seems too much to be held in portrait.

A340600 said,
It's gorg! I just don't know about the location Windows button but lets see... Mind you, that's by no means a deal breaker.

I mean, a tablet that long seems too much to be held in portrait.

I can't believe they've done that with the button!

Laptop replacement... landscape.
Keyboard... landscape.
Kickstand... landscape.

Button, portrait! Why! I literally am likely not to buy it because of that :( OCD insane I know but there you go. Plus, why is the tablet silver, but the docking station black?

And what about swiping from the left or right to bring in the Charms or switch apps? Won't the Windows button conflict with swipe actions?

A340600 said,
And what about swiping from the left or right to bring in the Charms or switch apps? Won't the Windows button conflict with swipe actions?

You can swipe anywhere along the bezel to bring out the charms menu.

I see. I'm still not fully sold on the Windows button placement but thinking about it, it kind of makes sense to have to Windows button in portrait mode since that's where the Windows charm is.

Still, I would have prefered the Windows button in landscape mode.

CrippsCorner said,

I can't believe they've done that with the button!

Laptop replacement... landscape.
Keyboard... landscape.
Kickstand... landscape.

Button, portrait! Why! I literally am likely not to buy it because of that :( OCD insane I know but there you go. Plus, why is the tablet silver, but the docking station black?

Most likely done becasue of the magnets along the bottom edge of the screen that allow the keyboard to lock to the front of the device when in use. The button wouldn't be visible when the keyboard is connected that way.

A340600 said,
I see. I'm still not fully sold on the Windows button placement but thinking about it, it kind of makes sense to have to Windows button in portrait mode since that's where the Windows charm is.

Still, I would have prefered the Windows button in landscape mode.

It's nice that the biggest sticking point is now 'on which side the windows button is located'. MS has come a long way from the complaints of the original Surface Pro.

I think the price is still a sticking point. $799 for the lowest seems a little too much for some. I'd pay that price but $100 less would be just the ticket.

Another option would be to just remove the Windows button.

the keyboard still has the same windows button as always. in fact, as a sp2 owner, this makes more sense. you almost never hold it in a position where having it on the long side makes sense. this is a much better location.

A340600 said,
I think the price is still a sticking point. $799 for the lowest seems a little too much for some. I'd pay that price but $100 less would be just the ticket.
.

It may a bit too much for some, but with those specs and digitizer thet starterprice will be very tempting....

CrippsCorner said,

I can't believe they've done that with the button!

Laptop replacement... landscape.
Keyboard... landscape.
Kickstand... landscape.

Button, portrait! Why! I literally am likely not to buy it because of that :( OCD insane I know but there you go. Plus, why is the tablet silver, but the docking station black?

button portrait cause it's more accessible while holding it in landscape mode.

CrippsCorner said,

I can't believe they've done that with the button!

Laptop replacement... landscape.
Keyboard... landscape.
Kickstand... landscape.

Button, portrait! Why! I literally am likely not to buy it because of that :( OCD insane I know but there you go. Plus, why is the tablet silver, but the docking station black?

Funny, no one ever had a problem with the ipad home button being in the same place. But, now the surface has it and you have a problem with it. Whatever.

uxo22 said,

Funny, no one ever had a problem with the ipad home button being in the same place. But, now the surface has it and you have a problem with it. Whatever.


I agree, but just for the record: Aren't you supposed to hold the iPad in portrait, aka the home button being on the "bottom" of the device whilst holding… (Disclaimer: The last time I've seen an iPad commercial it was held that way.)

uxo22 said,

Funny, no one ever had a problem with the ipad home button being in the same place. But, now the surface has it and you have a problem with it. Whatever.

Is the iPad a laptop replacement? No.
Does the iPad have a keyboard? No.
Does the iPad have a kickstand? No.

Completely different products...

The iPad is shorter than SP3, so the Home button in portrait mode makes sense. Surface is more of a landscape mode tablet/laptop.

CrippsCorner said,

Is the iPad a laptop replacement? No.
Does the iPad have a keyboard? No.
Does the iPad have a kickstand? No.

Completely different products...

That's hilarious, to this point the surface (all versions) have been compared to the ipad in one respect or another. People call it a tablet when they want to, and PC when that best fits their point.

Is the iPad a laptop replacement? Until today, you were saying the surface wasn't either.
Does the iPad have a keyboard? Yes you have to buy it just as you do with the surface
Does the iPad have a kickstand? Yes, just like the keyboard you have to buy it in your case.

But what does any of this have to do with where the home button placed.

Edited by uxo22, May 20 2014, 7:02pm :

MFH said,

I agree, but just for the record: Aren't you supposed to hold the iPad in portrait, aka the home button being on the "bottom" of the device whilst holding… (Disclaimer: The last time I've seen an iPad commercial it was held that way.)

I didn't know you were "suppose" to hold it in any specific way. I hold my ipad in portrait and landscape depending on what I'm doing. But to be honest with you 75 percent of the time my ipad in held in landscape.

And with the surface 3 having a 3:2 aspect, I think the same thing applies here.
Personally I think they put the home button where it is because of the way the new keyboard mates to it when in your lap.

CrippsCorner said,

I can't believe they've done that with the button!

Laptop replacement... landscape.
Keyboard... landscape.
Kickstand... landscape.

Button, portrait! Why! I literally am likely not to buy it because of that :( OCD insane I know but there you go. Plus, why is the tablet silver, but the docking station black?

You guys realize that the short edge makes the most sense for windows button placement in landscape mode.

When you hold it with your hands, you have your thumb on or near the button. Instead of having to move your hand to the bottom middle of the tablet.

uxo22 said,

That's hilarious, to this point the surface (all versions) have been compared to the ipad in one respect or another. People call it a tablet when they want to, and PC when that best fits their point.

Is the iPad a laptop replacement? Until today, you were saying the surface wasn't either.
Does the iPad have a keyboard? Yes you have to buy it just as you do with the surface
Does the iPad have a kickstand? Yes, just like the keyboard you have to buy it in your case.

But what does any of this have to do with where the home button placed.

The surface pros have ALWAYS been referred to as laptop replacements. This one just happens to have a bigger more usable for work screen size.

HawkMan said,

The surface pros have ALWAYS been referred to as laptop replacements. This one just happens to have a bigger more usable for work screen size.

For the most part, I do agree with you. But I have seen many articles comparing, the weight, thickness, and battery life of the surface to that of the ipad. And while many would state that it's not in the same category (and I agree) the comparison continued. People even want the price of the Surface pro to be comparable to the ipad.

If I have misread this, then my apologies.

Not trying to start an argument with anyone, just trying to point out that no matter what MS does, people nitpick and looks for negative things to complain about. Like the position of the home button.

uxo22 said,

Funny, no one ever had a problem with the ipad home button being in the same place. But, now the surface has it and you have a problem with it. Whatever.

Nobody who bought an iPad.....

uxo22 said,

For the most part, I do agree with you. But I have seen many articles comparing, the weight, thickness, and battery life of the surface to that of the ipad. And while many would state that it's not in the same category (and I agree) the comparison continued. People even want the price of the Surface pro to be comparable to the ipad.

If I have misread this, then my apologies.

Not trying to start an argument with anyone, just trying to point out that no matter what MS does, people nitpick and looks for negative things to complain about. Like the position of the home button.

iPad is comparable to Surface.
MacBook is comparable to Surface Pro.

It's as simple as that really isn't it? Of course the Surface Pro is a laptop replacement (and always has been) my evidence for this is that... it replaced my laptop.

Oh and comparing the keyboard and kickstand on an iPad to the Surface versions is a pretty weak comparison.

guys at the bottom of this device is the magnetic strip to prop the keyboard up at an angle, which would have covered the windows button probably, so they moved it to the side.

Specs list:
Forward Facing Speakers.
3:2 aspect ratio!

2160 x 1140 Resolution!

12 in

Wacom support too
(new pen)

9.1mm thin. Thinnest Intel Core ever made

150° kickstand, unlimited positions
Also
Multi-friction kickstand


For the type cover 3
68% larger trackpad
reduced friction by 78%
thinner
red
black
purple
cyan
blue
Keyboard now stabilizes device

Edited by ians18, May 20 2014, 3:06pm :

Because it isn't Wacom. Wacom is the DE-FACTO digitising pen out there. Is like showing up with a Zune at an iPod party.

pmdci said,
Because it isn't Wacom. Wacom is the DE-FACTO digitising pen out there. Is like showing up with a Zune at an iPod party.
So you've used this n-trig device?

Do you really think MS would have dropped Wacom on its new signature device w/o first verifying it works well?

I use Wacom -- a lot. Had a look at their website and specs[*] -- Not impressed. It might work well with the Surface, for 'the use Microsoft intended'. They replaced it because of cost.
--
[*] 256 levels of pressure?! Wacom has up to 2048. What about rotation and tilt? Can't see on their website if they have it or not.