Microsoft: People are quickly learning to use Windows 8

We have heard it many times about Windows 8; the Start screen and other aspects of the "Modern" UI causes Microsoft's latest OS to have more of a learning curve than previous versions of Windows. To refute this, Microsoft has been pushing the fact that learning Windows 8 is much easier than some might believe, including posting a video that features young kids showing adults how easy Windows 8 is to use.

Today, Microsoft posted up an in-house Q&A with Tami Reller, the CFO of the Windows division. Reller, who apparently is doing the interview circuit this week, that says the company's testing show that the majority of people catch on how to use Windows 8 pretty quickly. She states:

Fifty percent of users get through the out of box experience in less than 5 minutes. On the very first day, virtually everyone launches an app from the Start screen, finds the desktop, and finds the charms. Almost half of users go to the Windows Store on that first day. After two weeks, the average person doubles the number of tiles on Start. Live tiles engage people with content – by early January we had already delivered over 45 billion unique live tile updates.

Reller also repeats what Microsoft has already stated; namely that the company has sold 60 million Windows 8 licenses and that there have been over 100 million downloads of apps from the Windows Store.

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"On the very first day, virtually everyone launches an app from the Start screen, finds the desktop, and finds the charms."

You know, that's pretty much like saying that after someone buys a new car, that almost everyone managed to get it started, find the brake and accelerator pedals, and figure out where the steering wheel is, though perhaps not necessarily how it works. Would Honda, for example, declare victory with results like that for such a new car model?

The more I use W8 the more I feel a dichotomy between the start screen and desktop; in other words is like having a Cadillac Eldorado.... with a digital cockpit. And inconsistency appears here and there in many other environment: Metro apps have big bands of black while white is dominant in Office. WP 8 has the majority of tiles following the theme colors.. but MS ones do not: Office is red, OneNote is purple, Skipe and Skydrive light blue.
I am curious to see what Blue will bring on the table, hoping than sooner than later MS will offer an OS like the one showed in the clip about the office of the future...

Fritzly said,
Office is red, OneNote is purple, Skipe and Skydrive light blue.
I am curious to see what Blue will bring on the table

Blue would bring Consistency. Everything would be blue.

bigmehdi said,

Blue would bring Consistency. Everything would be blue.

I like blue... It is my favourite colour.... :-)

Did you know that Apple, Google and probably most large companies (including MS) and big financial market players have hundreds of paid bloggers that write bad stuff about the competition or to sway stock prices one way or another. Media companies pay authors on a per view basis, so bad or shocking headlines pay more. So if you want the truth, don't read the news, don't read what people post on the internet, 99.9% of it is just wrong, misleading for financial gains and you'll just end up going to bed more stupid than when you woke up.

I'm using Win8 everyday on a laptop hooked up to a 23inch screen (and a Microsoft Touch Mouse which helps a great deal). When I first saw Win8 in the preview version I thought it was a complete disaster - and I still think the MSFT manager's comments miss the point - the Start screen is fine once you get used to it and know you have to right click in the bottom left corner - but that isn't intuitive and the charms bar is simply, badly implemented.
BUT - I still wouldn't willingly go back to Win7. I work almost entirely in desktop mode, and it has all the (many) virtues of Win7 but is slicker and better in many details. And although I barely use the "modern UI" side of things it's made me change my mind about the bigger picture. I once thought Apple was right to keep its mobile and desktop OS so distinct, and though I don't think Win8 has actually got it right, the insight behind it is absolutely true: the way we interact with our phones and tablets (ie touch) will eventually change the way we expect to interact with any UI. Although it's had a lot of flak, Canonical has seen this too. Maybe people in computer stores will look at the unfamiliarity of Win8's interface and walk away - that's how people usually react to the unfamiliar, and a price MSFT will have to pay for its radicalism. I don't know what Win9 will bring, and there are good reasons to doubt whether MSFT is getting it right with the pricing and packaging of its other cash cow - Office - but I'm pretty sure that the thinking behind Win8 is ahead of the game, and will be judged more kindly by history than it is by the present.

I bought a Surface RT for my mom, believing that it covers all her needs for a computer. After years of Windows experiences, she still has problems with Win 7 from time to time, and she found the interface on RT easier than before. That surprised me a little, not very much though.

i installed win 8 nearly a week ago and took me like 30 minutes to used to everything, also the charm bar isnt as annoying on monitor and TV set up as it was in the consumer preview, can get it to pop alot easier.

Say something isnt pinned to task bar or got an icon on desktop. Chances are you know what your looking for.. windows key > type name of program or file even > enter... pops back into desktop mode and launches program. for me its the same as the start button tbh.

I think the tech ppl that say its hard probably shouldnt be calling themselves tech if they cant grasp a simple concept as this. I dont think ppl would find it hard in a business either cus once there in desktop everything theyd use would be pretty much there.

sorry haters, but your arguments about how confusing or whatever else is out the window. Windows 8 has been out for 3 months,and tens of millions of people already bought windows 8 PCs, which means they are obviously not confused as you'd like to think they are. Windows 8 PCs are displayed for people to try them before buying them. Microsofts statistics also back up the fact that they are not confused. It might have been a good argument point before release, but it just isn't true.

Also,look at steam, which their userbase is made up mostly of "hardcore gamers", which has close to %10 of their users on Windows 8 already. Remember, this is 3 months in.

Hardcore gamers want every ounce of performance and Windows 8 is faster in my experience across the board. Also, Steam users have a great app to pin their Steam games to the Start Page with nice tiles. Great Apps would/will make a difference.

vcfan said,
sorry haters, but your arguments about how confusing or whatever else is out the window. Windows 8 has been out for 3 months,and tens of millions of people already bought windows 8 PCs, which means they are obviously not confused as you'd like to think they are. Windows 8 PCs are displayed for people to try them before buying them. Microsofts statistics also back up the fact that they are not confused. It might have been a good argument point before release, but it just isn't true.

Also,look at steam, which their userbase is made up mostly of "hardcore gamers", which has close to %10 of their users on Windows 8 already. Remember, this is 3 months in.

Yes, windows 8 adoption has been nice however, i'm not sure about Modern UI adoption, most users are removed the Modern UI while others simply ignore it.

There is a learning curve and it is different for everyone. I have seen 3 persons between 65 and 78 who struggled a little and then used it with little problems. I have seen persons 5 between 35 and 50 who said everything between "It is not that different" and "I will never lear this *swearword*"
For me it took a couple hours to get around but a full two weeks to feel at ease.

Oh and one funny thing, This afternoon I met a salesperson with a windows 8 hp tablet/laptop convertable. He was trying to avoid the touchpad, horrible! I hope for his sake it was the first day it was used. It was clumsy at best! I get around windows 8 way better then him with a touchscreen (unexpected).

It's easy to learn! My wife and kids all learned it and didn't even bat an eye at it. The people that complain are those that will complain... just to complain. I'm complaining about their complaining!

laserfloyd said,
It's easy to learn! My wife and kids all learned it and didn't even bat an eye at it. The people that complain are those that will complain... just to complain. I'm complaining about their complaining!

Is complex because users should learn TWO interface. Think about a big business with thousand of users, IT support will not be so pleased to give support for both interface with stupid question such "where is the My PC icon?". And worst, now it is a bit tricky to shutdown windows 8.

Tricky to shut down Windows 8 now is it? I can do it in 1 swipe and 3 clicks of the mouse or even quicker by 1 press of the power button on my PC, what's so tricky about that?

Simple fact is that basic changes of Windows 8 can be learnt fairly quickly and can be used just like 7 - and I know this because it's how I use Windows 8, I see the start screen once when I boot, rest of time I'm in the desktop!

Brony said,

Is complex because users should learn TWO interface. Think about a big business with thousand of users, IT support will not be so pleased to give support for both interface with stupid question such "where is the My PC icon?". And worst, now it is a bit tricky to shutdown windows 8.

The My PC icon is still on the desktop. Where it's been for the pat 15 or so years. Also, there is no trickery to shutting down. If people can learn Start > Shutdown, they can certainly learn Settings > Shutdown.

RangerLG said,
It is not Settings->Shutdown. It is Charms Bar->Settings->Power->Shutdown

Fine. Settings > Power > Shutdown. Three clicks. Woo. SO hard to do.

Dot Matrix said,

Fine. Settings > Power > Shutdown. Three clicks. Woo. SO hard to do.


No, not hard although a dedicated icon, including all the options related to the task therefore Log Off as well, could have been more intuitive... and logic. Or, again, group all these options under the user icon.

I upgraded to Win8 from Win7 and while I don't find it a bad operating system, I do find it a completely useless update on desktop environment. I think the problem is that Microsoft is trying unify touch screen and classic desktop with keyboard+mouse interfaces but only focusing on the touch screen interface.

I think they should have gone the same way as Apple; one desktop OS (OS X) and one touch screen OS (iOS) with each one having purpose built user interface. My biggest problem with the "native" (Modern? Metro?) Windows 8 apps is that they take the whole damn screen and many functions are hidden behind unnecessarily many menus. Sometimes everything just feels claustrophobic.

I'm sure I would have had much better experience with Win8 had I used it on a tablet or a small laptop screen, but on desktop I just don't see the "benefit" over Win7.

Dhalamar said,
I think they should have gone the same way as Apple; one desktop OS (OS X) and one touch screen OS (iOS) with each one having purpose built user interface.

Uhm no.
From a manageability and long term strategy, they should be doing what they're doing. Standardizing on ONE OS.
In the 90s, they had many.
Windows 9x
Windows NT 3.51
Windows for PocketPC
Windows NT for DEC/Alpha/MIPS

Over time they are widdling the list and combining the best of all.
This is just the next step in the evolution.
XP saw the death of 9x.
At the time MS was chastised by the media at large for making the change, but it got the NT kernel onto consumer desktops, simplifying the management nightmare within the company.
People even said back then, XP is garbage Win 98 is the best windows evar!

What I hope to see is NT Everywhere. Skin it how you want, either with a full on touch UI, like Windows 8, a trimmed down touch UI like Windows Phone 8, no UI like Windows Server 2012 Core, or a minimal UI that is completely customizable by the ODM, like Windows Embedded 8.

All those products are the same NT core, regardless of implementation.

To think you need an entirely separate OS for Cosmetic differences is lunacy.

Indeed. Windows 8 is not so bad. However, for windows 7 users, is giving us nothing new or special. And for touch screen device, "desktop" is not a pleasant place.

Sure, we don't need completely different OS, but different enough so they are optimized for the use it is intended for. Windows 8 is fantastic for tablet and laptop use but on desktop use, compared to Windows 7, it is just plain useless, and in many cases counter productive.

The problem is not having single OS or multiple, but having versions of an OS tailored for whatever machine it is supposed to be ran on, and not try to force the "touch screen experience" on keyboard+mouse desktop environment, which is what Win8 is trying to do.

"People are quickly learning to use Windows 8" -- Of course they are, they aren't stupid, especially when Windows 8 is forced on them on a new computer now. heh

IntelliMoo said,
"People are quickly learning to use Windows 8" -- Of course they are, they aren't stupid, especially when Windows 8 is forced on them on a new computer now. heh

Yes they really are forced into windows 8 if you think about it, every day I see several people come in to buy a new laptop or desktop, once they see the screens filled with those horrid looking tiles they head to the apple dept.
Then once they see the prices of the apple stuff either half of them will just leave the store or come back to the pc area asking if we have anything with windows 7 on it and we have to tell them we don't have any left.

You should listen to Order_66 , IntelliMoo because he is a manager at an electronics store. Of course, his comment here says that when people see the price of Apple products they turn away, but that is completely false because he has said in the past that Apple products are flying off the shelves while corporate keeps sending them more and more Windows computers that don't sell so they stack them up in the store room hoping to make more room for the next shipment of Apple computers that will soon be flying out the door. And don't believe Tim Cook when he says that the will be selling fewer and fewer computers, because those Apple computers are just flying off the shelves - contrary to what he says here.

Oh, and expect Order_66 to start calling me a stalker right about....


Now.

This isn't even about learning the software. People have had to learn Windows 1.0 to Windows 7 before actually getting used to it.

The difference with Windows 8 is that it's annoying to use for many PC users.

Why are they so damn arrogant? As you can see today, Apple is paying the price for its arrogance.

yo popcaan said,
This isn't even about learning the software. People have had to learn Windows 1.0 to Windows 7 before actually getting used to it.

The difference with Windows 8 is that it's annoying to use for many PC users.

Why are they so damn arrogant? As you can see today, Apple is paying the price for its arrogance.

some people say MS already paid the proce for being arrogante.... when Apple started to Balloon

I was one of those "oooo Windows 8, no start menu AAAGGGGHHH never gonna do it"

Then I bought a Win8 Laptop and realised "oh actually this does do a good job"

I think the old adage "don't knock it till you tried it" applies, certainly did for me :-)

Oh, I have been trying it since it first came out. And it has been very trying to say the least. It's the reason why I will not use the Start Screen, refuse to allow the computer to go into the Start Screen, or even want to admit the Start Screen even exists. The desktop is where you do WORK, the Start Screen is where you play games and pretend your i7 tower is a iPad clone.

Tal, at least you are honest. With your expertise, you can definitely do what you want to do with your OS.

As for acting like an iPad clone; although I wouldn't call it that way, more like a stepping stone because what will differentiate Windows in the future is the implementation of custom marketplace for corporate environments within their infrastructure.

In fact, ESRI (Environmental System Research Institute), has a preview version of their ArcGIS version available in the Marketplace. ArcGIS is a tool that energy companies, namely oil and gas, uses. I'm sure that it will only be a matter of time until this app (when fully mature) becomes part of a corporate marketplace once future version of Windows penetrates the enterprise market. Of course, time will tell.

RommelS said,
Tal, at least you are honest. With your expertise, you can definitely do what you want to do with your OS.

As for acting like an iPad clone; although I wouldn't call it that way, more like a stepping stone because what will differentiate Windows in the future is the implementation of custom marketplace for corporate environments within their infrastructure.

In fact, ESRI (Environmental System Research Institute), has a preview version of their ArcGIS version available in the Marketplace. ArcGIS is a tool that energy companies, namely oil and gas, uses. I'm sure that it will only be a matter of time until this app (when fully mature) becomes part of a corporate marketplace once future version of Windows penetrates the enterprise market. Of course, time will tell.


Big companies will always have meetings with sales,reps and get prices that average humans can only dream. Same for anything else big companies buy of course.

Don't know about what a CFO would know about Windows 8 and how people are using it, but if she wanted to see how I use Windows 8 on my home computer, she'd have a very rude awakening. Install of Classic Shell, complete disabling of Live Tiles (through the GPO editor), and a total refusal to use the Start Screen as it's a waste of time, effort and energy for me. And I will not use Live Tiles, if I want a program installed I'll install it on the desktop. If I can't install it on the desktop, then I don't want it.

Which means the majority of what Microsoft is pushing via the Microsoft Store will never be installed by me, no matter how useful it might be (highly doubtful, considering most of what I see there is useless to begin with.)

I don't think MS would care how you use your computer since you are one of those in the minority; unless you will provide constructive criticisms to their product. If you did what you said you did, then no matter what, you still helped Microsoft in some shape or form

Not really. I'm not using their Store, meaning I'm not buying their programs they're trying to push, nor am I using anything else Microsoft-related other than the OS (and that was purchased extremely inexpensively). So, yes, Microsoft *should* be concerned about how I'm using my computer, since I'm not going to use it in the way they're foisting on the public, I'm using it to be constructive.

I also still have Windows 7 for *REAL* work, instead of playing about in an OS designed by committee with no clue on how people use their computers. Instead, they look at Apple, go *shiny* and then implement the exact opposite.

RommelS said,
I don't think MS would care how you use your computer since you are one of those in the minority....

Any proof that his opinion is the minority? We already know MS doesn't care how people use their computers, or this whole metro debacle would have turned out differently. MS only cares about their bottom line. the last time that MS actually put real research into the GUI was with windows 95. Everything since then, not so much.

Excellent post Tal. I feel the same way. I upgraded to Windows 8 and its a fantastic OS when used without the start screen and only in desktop mode.

mzta cody said,

Any proof that his opinion is the minority? We already know MS doesn't care how people use their computers, or this whole metro debacle would have turned out differently. MS only cares about their bottom line. the last time that MS actually put real research into the GUI was with windows 95. Everything since then, not so much.

How about you? Any proof of anything that you've said to be true? It seems like you are missing some information within the development of Windows 8.

And NO, MS did study the use of their GUI, and in fact, even the start button. MS stated in the beginning that the Start Button has become static, and that majority of users are not even using it - users are in fact putting application shortcuts on their desktop - and that is both true with consumers and corporate environments. The latter, I see it all the time.

As for the minority, how many other people do you know what Tal Greywolf did to his machine? In fact, I admire what he did, and what he did is something regular consumers would even NOT dare do. So yes, he is in the minority.

I would rather be in the minority and have control of what I do with the OS in order to make me more productive. Nearly every OS Microsoft has released since Windows 2000 I've done some modifications to in order to make the system more responsive or stable. And that does include Windows 8 (which I am actually working under as I type this.) Just because I've taken the effort to restrict the very things Microsoft wants working (such as continuous network connectivity for Live Tiles) in order to make the OS a more productive environment doesn't mean that I don't like Windows 8. There are a number of things that have improved since Windows 7 that I like (such as USB 3.0 performance), just as there are things they've added that drag down the system (the previously mentioned constant network updating of Live Tiles, and yes I have data to back up my statement.)

As for Windows 8 in the corporate environment, it won't happen unless Microsoft provides a version that'll cater to the needs of corporations, which means the OS starting in the Desktop and not the Start Screen. There are a lot of applications used at the company I work for that will never coexist with the Start Screen, and will require the Desktop to be active at all times.

MS says one thing, and others say another. Really boils down to who you believe at this point...or if you even care.

I will probably end up upgrading to Win, but for now...I am happy with 7. Also do not feel like redoing my whole system either.

The problem is that the "others" are random people on the internet, and analysts who have a good track record of being wrong. Other than Acer, the worst that has been said is that sales started moderate but are quickly picking up (HP) to Dell who said sales are good. We have sales numbers from Microsoft (who, if they said they sold 60 million licenses but only sold 10 million would be guilty of securities fraud) that exceed Win7 sales, which virtually everyone considers a success. All we have left are people who, since Win7 was released, have suddenly found this loophole for criticism that all these licenses are bought but sitting on a shelf somewhere because their preconceived notion is that Win8 must be bad because someone else on the internet told them it was bad.

nohone said,
The problem is that the "others" are random people on the internet, and analysts who have a good track record of being wrong. Other than Acer, the worst that has been said is that sales started moderate but are quickly picking up (HP) to Dell who said sales are good. We have sales numbers from Microsoft (who, if they said they sold 60 million licenses but only sold 10 million would be guilty of securities fraud) that exceed Win7 sales, which virtually everyone considers a success. All we have left are people who, since Win7 was released, have suddenly found this loophole for criticism that all these licenses are bought but sitting on a shelf somewhere because their preconceived notion is that Win8 must be bad because someone else on the internet told them it was bad.

Not just random people. Do a Google search. There are more companies/organizations comparing Win8 sales to Vista an saying Win8 isnt doing very well ATM. And then there are some that are saying it is doing well. Even MS came out and blamed OEMs for bad sales. And a lot of others are reporting issues with leaning the new OS.

So again, its a matter of who you believe or if you even care.

techbeck said,

Not just random people. Do a Google search. There are more companies/organizations comparing Win8 sales to Vista an saying Win8 isnt doing very well ATM. And then there are some that are saying it is doing well. Even MS came out and blamed OEMs for bad sales. And a lot of others are reporting issues with leaning the new OS.

So again, its a matter of who you believe or if you even care.

Oh, that must be why. I don't use Google so Bing must be hiding all that from me when I do a search. They must be hiding that bad info and only giving me the manufactured good news.


Edit: to directly address your comment, Microsoft was saying that they could have sold more if the manufacturers did things like put a touch screen on their device or manufactured devices with them in greater quantity. After my development tablet died late last year, I started looking for a new one - but finding a touch screen laptop is not easy. Finally I decided to get the Surface Pro when it is released. Microsoft was not blaming poor sales of Windows 8 on manufacturers, they were saying that they could have sold more new devices rather than Microsoft selling upgrades. Neowin and their sensationalist headlines...

nohone said,

Oh, that must be why. I don't use Google so Bing must be hiding all that from me when I do a search. They must be hiding that bad info and only giving me the manufactured good news.

Yea, bing reporting that Win8 sales are good and not bad...real big surprise there. And guess you missed this posted a few days ago...which I got from A BING search.

http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...-Windows-8-Sales,20720.html

A lot of companies/people do not have faith in Win8.

techbeck said,

Yea, bing reporting that Win8 sales are good and not bad...real big surprise there. And guess you missed this posted a few days ago...which I got from A BING search.

http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...-Windows-8-Sales,20720.html

A lot of companies/people do not have faith in Win8.

Yes and any time microsoft starts to blame someone else for poor OS sales we can be rest assured the OS is a complete failure and they already know it, they are just trying to shift the blame to someone else.

Order_66 said,

Yes and any time microsoft starts to blame someone else for poor OS sales we can be rest assured the OS is a complete failure and they already know it, they are just trying to shift the blame to someone else.

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Not what I said or meant. There are mixed results now on Win8 sales. Its not all one sided or else it wouldn't be an issue.

techbeck said,
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Not what I said or meant. There are mixed results now on Win8 sales. Its not all one sided or else it wouldn't be an issue.

Yeah I was mostly going by what the article said that you posted a link to.

The company adoption stats are bogus. Our company just began adopting windows 7 LAST YEAR... companies tend to hold back, let everyone else work any bugs out of new software or new OS versions before they take the leap. It costs a lot of money to make the switch. Sometimes companies wait until a version is EOL'd.

not to point out the obvious but...

"On the very first day, virtually everyone launches an app from the Start screen, finds the desktop, and finds the charms"

shouldn't that be a given? you have to do at least one of those things to do anything

I'd be a little curious how the people who don't launch an app from the Start Screen cope, the Desktop is an app

McKay said,
I'd be a little curious how the people who don't launch an app from the Start Screen cope, the Desktop is an app

not really, the desktop is not an app, it's a shell, which you just happen to get to from the start screen... which is running as part of that shell

neufuse said,

not really, the desktop is not an app, it's a shell, which you just happen to get to from the start screen... which is running as part of that shell

You win this round.....

I really do think, just as Vista, the negatives are being blown out of proportion. I've converted many of my friends to 8 just by showing them the interface and dismissing any negative things they've heard from ignorant idiots. Windows 8 is not a bad OS and this shows that people are adapting.

dvb2000 said,
Well what do you think Microsoft would say?

Windows 8 is already a huge flop, just like vista

Would you call Linux or OSX a flop also?

nohone said,

Would you call Linux or OSX a flop also?

Maybe certain versions of OSX and Linux. Saying Linux or OSX is a flop is to general/broad. No one here is calling Windows in general a flop.

dvb2000 said,
Well what do you think Microsoft would say?

Windows 8 is already a huge flop, just like vista

Hey guys, I bought a huge flop of a product, and I love it!

techbeck said,

Maybe certain versions of OSX and Linux. Saying Linux or OSX is a flop is to general/broad. No one here is calling Windows in general a flop.

Certain versions? Question the number licenses Microsoft reports to have sold all you want, but we are seeing from web tracking that Win8, an OS that many around here like to consider a failure, has surpassed all desktop copies of Linux in use, and has passed each individual version of OSX in use and will shortly surpass them all in total.

But we hear over and over that it is the year of Linux (and the Ubuntu phone - well that will cause all competition to fail immediately upon its release), and when the head of Apple says that their PC market is slowing, well don't believe him, Apple computers are flying off the shelves of one person who comments here and manages an electronics store. No, those products are not flops, in total they have single digit marketshare, but their success shall not be questioned (except for a random version, here or there). But Win8, well that is a disaster on the level of the Hindenburg, the Katrina, or the Japan Tsunami.

nohone said,

Certain versions? Question the number licenses Microsoft reports to have sold all you want, but we are seeing from web tracking that Win8, an OS that many around here like to consider a failure, has surpassed all desktop copies of Linux in use, and has passed each individual version of OSX in use and will shortly surpass them all in total.

And there is your problem. You are comparing Microsoft sales with sales of all distros of Linux. People here are comparing Windows 8 sales with Windws 7 or Vista or just plain putting their opinions in on how/why they think it isnt doing well.

Linux/OSX isnt even part of the equation. I have no idea why you are comparing Windows sales to other/different OS that appeals to a different set of users. Its like comparing a sedan to big rigs.

dvb2000 said,
Well what do you think Microsoft would say?

Windows 8 is already a huge flop, just like vista

And another hallmark troll post from dvb. Bravo.

Saying its a flop doesn't make it a flop. You are not the centre of the universe.

dvb2000 said,
Well what do you think Microsoft would say?

Windows 8 is already a huge flop, just like vista

^This 100%
And this is proven at the retail level where people come in to buy a new computer and then leave or shake their heads when they see everything has windows 8 on it.
This happens (literally) every day and many times a day.

This article is just microsoft saying the exact opposite of what's really going on in the real world and in predictable fashion the zealots are attacking anyone who dares to point it out...

techbeck said,

And there is your problem. You are comparing Microsoft sales with sales of all distros of Linux. People here are comparing Windows 8 sales with Windws 7 or Vista or just plain putting their opinions in on how/why they think it isnt doing well.

Linux/OSX isnt even part of the equation. I have no idea why you are comparing Windows sales to other/different OS that appeals to a different set of users. Its like comparing a sedan to big rigs.

Actually, I am not comparing sales, in this situation I was showing that Win8 is surpassing the total marketshare of Linux, and individual marketshare of OSX. I did compare Win8 sales to Win7 sales in another place, and you said I was going off topic so I wasn't sure if I was permitted to talk about that now, so I compared overall marketshare.

But if you want to compare sales, think of it this way. Apple reported $20 million growth last quarter - don't get me wrong, I would love to have that $20 million just in grown in my bank acocount and they still brought in more money than I will ever see. When the stock dropped because of fears over the future, the Apple fanboys started complaining about the analysts, they don't know what they are talking about. They complained about the investors, they shouldn't be withdrawing their money. And so on. The Windows group had to defer over $1 billion in sales to the next quarter because of accounting rules, and that does not include the 24% increase of sales from the Windows division. $1 billion is 50 X $20 million, so the Windows division alone had at least 50 times increase in sales over Apple's increase in sales. But many would like you to believe that Apple is the future, while Windows8 is a failure.

As was posted in another article, Win8 had 60 million sales in 2 months, and Win7 had 100 million in 6 months. Win7 sold licenses to OEMs the same way Win8 does, so the argument of licenses sitting around waiting to be used does not hold. We don't have Microsoft collecting and distributing information about how many licenses of Win7 was sold but not installed, just like we don't have Microsoft collecting and distributing information about how many licenses of Win8 was sold but not installed, so the claims that they are withholding information because of slow sales does not mean anything. We have other companies that are not announcing sales numbers, or combine sales numbers of different products together, but when Microsoft does the same they have something to hide. But we do have numbers of 60 million sales. We have a 24% increase in sales with over a billion deferred. We had similar numbers before that were never questioned, but they are now because 60 million doesn't fit into the "people hate Win8" narrative. We have the CEO of a Microsoft competitor telling us their computer sales are decreasing, but we cannot believe that, their sales are really increasing; we have Microsoft saying their OS sales are increasing, but we cannot believe that, because some analyst or rumor that Microsoft is angry with their partners are correct is more proof than actual numbers. And of course those analysts, they are wrong when they are worried about Apple's future, but right when they say that Microsoft is doomed.

Yep, believe who you want - but me, I prefer actual facts and numbers over rumor and speculation.

nohone said,

Yep, believe who you want - but me, I prefer actual facts and numbers over rumor and speculation.

Me to...but I tend to not believe one source or believe a company commenting on their own product...especially since it being so split right now on who says its doing well and who says it isnt. If everyone else was saying MS was doing great, then it wouldnt be a problem. But again, its so split ATM is hard ti believe what one entity says.

Thats all I really have to say

dvb2000 said,
Well what do you think Microsoft would say?

Windows 8 is already a huge flop, just like vista


Why is the start button is such a big deal for you. there are many start button add-on out there for Win8. In fact the Windows 8 performance is so good that even with an start button ad-on extra service it outperforms Windows 7. Or... you could just get used to New Start Screen which isn't that bad afterall. There are some design flaws which I am sure they will fix it. One thing that I found so annoying is the shutdown that is hidden under option in charm bar which is totally irrelevant to me but its not a big deal I wrote an Script and put it on desktop to shutdown

techbeck said,

Me to...but I tend to not believe one source or believe a company commenting on their own product...especially since it being so split right now on who says its doing well and who says it isnt. If everyone else was saying MS was doing great, then it wouldnt be a problem. But again, its so split ATM is hard ti believe what one entity says.

Thats all I really have to say

When a company releases financial reports that clearly states increases in profits and sales, when releasing false information through those reports is a felony - I tend to believe the actual facts and figures.

When some analyst calls up some electronics store and asks how many copies they have sold (when those managers are like our resident electronics store manager); some unnamed guy heard a rumor from some other guy that one company is blaming another but we cannot ask questions of those informants, like what their biases are; when some guy on the internet says that he hates the Win8 interface, and therefore everyone hates it and therefore Win8 sales suck; I am less inclined to believe them, and go with the actual numbers.

Order_66 said,

^This 100%
And this is proven at the retail level where people come in to buy a new computer and then leave or shake their heads when they see everything has windows 8 on it.
This happens (literally) every day and many times a day.

This article is just microsoft saying the exact opposite of what's really going on in the real world and in predictable fashion the zealots are attacking anyone who dares to point it out...


Because that totally explains the constant increases in market share that Windows 8 is seeing. So its apparent that one of you is wrong...and I'd bet its NOT Microsoft.

SharpGreen said,

Because that totally explains the constant increases in market share that Windows 8 is seeing. So its apparent that one of you is wrong...and I'd bet its NOT Microsoft.

Yes because 2.38% market share is HUGE!

well i think there are many software but window 8 is fine rest of other like ubuntu.very people much familier with window because it's very easy to use.

nohone said,

Would you call Linux or OSX a flop also?

No, OS X growth has topped Windows growth for 26 consecutive quarters. Windows growth is in decline and has been for some time.

Order_66 said,

^This 100%
And this is proven at the retail level where people come in to buy a new computer and then leave or shake their heads when they see everything has windows 8 on it.
This happens (literally) every day and many times a day.

This article is just microsoft saying the exact opposite of what's really going on in the real world and in predictable fashion the zealots are attacking anyone who dares to point it out...

Proven? Then where's your source? (Your word doesn't count)

Order_66 said,

Yes because 2.38% market share is HUGE!

The whole world doesn't upgrade the instant some product is being released (!). Huge marketshare takes quite a bit of time.. at least six months. And 2.38% is actually tens of millions.