Microsoft posts final Smoked by Windows Phone video

Earlier this month at CES 2012 in Las Vegas, Microsoft decided to have some fun and gave random attendees a chance to win $100 if their smartphone could beat one based on Windows Phone in performance tests.

On Friday, Microsoft's Windows Phone blog posted a "best of" video showing the highlights of those various smartphone battles where a Windows Phone device duked it out with owners of phones like the iPhone 4S, the Samsung Galaxy II, the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and many more.

As we have reported before, the final result was that the Windows Phone device beat the other smartphones in the tests most of the time with 30 wins, three losses and one draw. The tests were a mix of various including simply writing "Hello" and posting that tiny message on Facebook.

The video doesn't edit out when Windows Phone loses the challenge. We do get to see the $100 being given out to the smartphone owner that managed to smoke Windows Phone. However, it looks like everyone who took the test at CES got something for their effort; namely a brand new Windows Phone. That's not a bad consolation prize at all.

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Okay, some Android have their asses in their so fancy "phones" that they think hardware specs are where it is. My friend has an Android device, he switched it from an iPhone previously, then got a Blackberry, and is back on Android. I'm pretty sure if you are an Android user, you probably updated in a year to get a new better device just so you can upgrade your specs so you can play better games, etc.

Here is the problem with Android. You're constantly updating and customizing just to get the damn thing to work the best way possible for you.

The out of the box experience on a Windows Phone is superb. BTW, I have 22GB on my focus. Zune Pass allows me to stream music from my device, and syncs it with my PC. Android users complain about streaming? But don't you have to copy all your music? Do you really have a music store that syncs with your PC, etc.?

I use Facebook/twitter a lot, so posting pictures is important for a lot of people. I know, we are all geeks here, but get with the program. Facebook is here to stay and people use it a lot. So yes, facebook is important; and so is twitter. Yes you can have your facebook/twitter widgets, but then you're battery is going to drain like crazy.

And you cannot beat the Office experience for Mobile on WP. People who actually work on the go, this is handy. When you're in the field and you need to do something, it is very handy. Skydrive is awesome.

Local scout is mediocore in Canada, but it is pretty cool when you're out somewhere looking for food and need suggestions.

Seeing how many emails/missed calls from the lock screen, plus being able to control the music from the lock screen is incredibly awesome.

Seeing the weather, game score, latest flickr image from my contacts, seeing latest profile pictures from my contacts, seeing my next meeting, seeing my daily calorie intake, current utorrent status, bing image, latest youtube videos from my suscriber.

Being able to deep link into an app such as going straight into myBudget app and entering my transaction with a single button, seeing the latest movies at my theater, seeing the latest traffic nearby, etc. Doing all this without actually opening the app and searching the option to do that thing you want.

Yeah you can have a bunch of widgets, but doesn't it bog down your phone? My doesn't. It runs smooth as hell. And everything is on one screen, just need to scroll.

So tell me Android users; if you use your phone daily and not for games, is your life easier? I don't think it could be easier than using a Windows Phone. Yeah I can't have a wallpaper in my background, but who cares. There may other certain things, but the things that WP has, it does the best. The only thing I wish it had is a notification centre, and I'm sure Apollo will fix that.

I have seen nothing but competition on who can snap pictures fast and post, that is it. There should have been competition on features and services overall. The pcguy would have been writing I.O.U's to everyone who had Android and Apple. Windows Phone is not bad, but it still has a long way to go before it even catches up to Android and Apple. If Microsoft continues to treat it like all their other services on a snail pace schedule, it will never be successful than the others. By the time Windows Phone is upgraded again, the others have moved onto the next level. For years, Microsoft's timing has been it's downfall.

While I won't argue the agreed competition by both parties, I think you're right in saying that Microsoft should move fast (with quality still of course) to catch up on features seen on Android and iOS

JSYOUNG571 said,
By the time Windows Phone is upgraded again, the others have moved onto the next level.

Are you kidding? Mango is atleast two levels ahead ICS and iOS 5. And i bet it'll take iOS two years to catch upto the level of WP8 (Apollo) when it comes out. Android will probably be extinct by then if they keep going like this. Game's changing dude. Keep up

JSYOUNG571 said,
le. Windows Phone is not bad, but it still has a long way to go before it even catches up to Android and Apple.

Based on what? It's safer, faster, and the UI is (imo) much better/cleaner.
Please explain your post

gzAsher said,

Are you kidding? Mango is atleast two levels ahead ICS and iOS 5. And i bet it'll take iOS two years to catch upto the level of WP8 (Apollo) when it comes out. Android will probably be extinct by then if they keep going like this. Game's changing dude. Keep up

More likely iOS/Android will be divying up 95% of the market in 2 years and Windows Phone will be taking it's usual 1-2%.

gzAsher said,

Are you kidding? Mango is atleast two levels ahead ICS and iOS 5. And i bet it'll take iOS two years to catch upto the level of WP8 (Apollo) when it comes out. Android will probably be extinct by then if they keep going like this. Game's changing dude. Keep up

Catch up???? The features that Windows Phone 7 has gotten through the Mango updates, are features that should have came out when Windows Phone 7 came out. When Windows Phone 7 came out, it didn't even have the basic features that Windows Mobile had. That is why a lot of people who were Windows Mobile users got fed up and jumped ship to Google and Android. How are you going to introduce a new Windows Phone 7 that takes us back instead of taking us forward after coming off Windows Mobile. That was a lot of peoples attitudes including mine. That is another reason why Windows Phone 7 had poor sales and bascially set in a COMA for a year before the Mango update. Even after the Mango update, Windows Phone 7 is still struggling. When apps are introduce, iPhone is first in line and then Android. You do not hear anything about a Windows Phone 7 app being produced. Apple has a cloud service for iTunes which allows you to save your music collection in the cloud and hear it from anywhere on any Apple device. Google has a cloud service for music as well and allows you to listen to it on any Android device. When is Zune going to be put in the cloud? Windows Phone 7 does not even have a sd card slot for you to even save your music, videos and pictures on. So basically you are stuck with a 16gb on your phone for everything...NO OPTION! It will take Microsoft with their snail pace schedule a whole year to think of an idea for a Zune cloud, and another whole year to produce the idea. Maybe it will come in the Pear or Collard Green update. All the features that Windows Phone 7 have now with Mango update, Google and Apple have been had them a while. Don't get me wrong, I am not counting Windows Phone 7 or 8 out. It has the tools to go far if Microsoft use them. If Microsoft doesn't get on the ball with their timing, they will be responsible for the death of the Windows Phone. People should not have to wait yearly for updates, when the the competitors already have them.

JSYOUNG571 said,

Catch up???? The features that Windows Phone 7 has gotten through the Mango updates, are features that should have came out when Windows Phone 7 came out. When Windows Phone 7 came out, it didn't even have the basic features that Windows Mobile had. That is why a lot of people who were Windows Mobile users got fed up and jumped ship to Google and Android. How are you going to introduce a new Windows Phone 7 that takes us back instead of taking us forward after coming off Windows Mobile. That was a lot of peoples attitudes including mine. That is another reason why Windows Phone 7 had poor sales and bascially set in a COMA for a year before the Mango update. Even after the Mango update, Windows Phone 7 is still struggling. When apps are introduce, iPhone is first in line and then Android. You do not hear anything about a Windows Phone 7 app being produced. Apple has a cloud service for iTunes which allows you to save your music collection in the cloud and hear it from anywhere on any Apple device. Google has a cloud service for music as well and allows you to listen to it on any Android device. When is Zune going to be put in the cloud? Windows Phone 7 does not even have a sd card slot for you to even save your music, videos and pictures on. So basically you are stuck with a 16gb on your phone for everything...NO OPTION! It will take Microsoft with their snail pace schedule a whole year to think of an idea for a Zune cloud, and another whole year to produce the idea. Maybe it will come in the Pear or Collard Green update. All the features that Windows Phone 7 have now with Mango update, Google and Apple have been had them a while. Don't get me wrong, I am not counting Windows Phone 7 or 8 out. It has the tools to go far if Microsoft use them. If Microsoft doesn't get on the ball with their timing, they will be responsible for the death of the Windows Phone. People should not have to wait yearly for updates, when the the competitors already have them.

Just so you know, almost all my playlists are songs not actually on my computer. You can use the WP7 with playlists and it just streams it. Doesn't actually get stored on your SD card. So technically you get the best of both worlds. You can download it, or you can stream it. Also kinda cool because if you search for a song on your phone, it will pick the local song first, and if it doesn't find it, then will stream it. Not sure what you mean about mango. I was 100% content before the mango update... zune pass on my phone, office, no more exchange errors from my android phone, no more copy my music back and forth... I could keep going and going but I think you get the picture.

JSYOUNG571 said,
Catch up???? The features that Windows Phone 7 has gotten through the Mango updates, are features that should have came out when Windows Phone 7 came out. <snipped blabla>

I've seen some apps to stream music from skydrive. And the lack of SD card support ... well I agree that WP is lacking of a 32GB/64GB phone, but blame the device constructors then, not MS. But it's only for a few people, most users won't use the whole 16GB.

gzAsher said,

Are you kidding? Mango is atleast two levels ahead ICS and iOS 5. And i bet it'll take iOS two years to catch upto the level of WP8 (Apollo) when it comes out. Android will probably be extinct by then if they keep going like this. Game's changing dude. Keep up

One of the funniest things I read today. I'm not sure whether to laugh with you or at you. (Depending if you were sarcastic or not).

Brian Jackson said,

Just so you know, almost all my playlists are songs not actually on my computer. You can use the WP7 with playlists and it just streams it. Doesn't actually get stored on your SD card. So technically you get the best of both worlds. You can download it, or you can stream it. Also kinda cool because if you search for a song on your phone, it will pick the local song first, and if it doesn't find it, then will stream it. Not sure what you mean about mango. I was 100% content before the mango update... zune pass on my phone, office, no more exchange errors from my android phone, no more copy my music back and forth... I could keep going and going but I think you get the picture.

Wow I can do the very same thing with Google Music. I never had exchange errors on my Android. But to be fair, I've only used Sense devices and stock Android OS devices. I don't know what phone you've used before to get Exchange errors but they definitely didn't exist on stock or sense.

Anthonyd said,
...

I believe Microsoft deprecated support for 'Expandable Strorage' with Mango.
I could be wrong, but perhaps microSD vendors haven't stepped up to the quality required to keep WP buttery smooth with external storage.

Or it could be the same problem they had with windows home server drive extender technology that has them rethinking the works with storage pools and spaces for Win8, followed up by ReFS in the future.

You know it's all converging.

gzAsher said,

Are you kidding? Mango is atleast two levels ahead ICS and iOS 5. And i bet it'll take iOS two years to catch upto the level of WP8 (Apollo) when it comes out. Android will probably be extinct by then if they keep going like this. Game's changing dude. Keep up
You are the one needed to keep up.....

dotf said,

I believe Microsoft deprecated support for 'Expandable Strorage' with Mango.
I could be wrong, but perhaps microSD vendors haven't stepped up to the quality required to keep WP buttery smooth with external storage.

Or it could be the same problem they had with windows home server drive extender technology that has them rethinking the works with storage pools and spaces for Win8, followed up by ReFS in the future.

You know it's all converging.


microSD are things from the past. Some WP are using internal microSD, but if you remove it, your phone will stop working because the OS is viewing the internal memory+SD card as a single storage space.

What??? What rock have you been living under? Zune has been a music STREAMING service YEARS before Google Music or iCloud were even thought up. Get a Zune pass, and wherever you have a connection you have music, just like any other cloud service. Going to complain about the fact that it's a subscription? Put the songs you want to keep in skydrive,which has also been around before iCloud or Google Music. I could do this with my freaking 2nd gen 8 gb Zune years ago. You're insane. And sd cards?? again, where the crap have you been? Windows Phone has supported expandable memory since day one, the Samsung focus has it. If you want to complain about the lack of expandable memory, complain to the OEMs, not Microsoft. God you are so ignorant. And Google and Apple already had the features Mango had? What? Show me the Twitter/facebook/linkedin integration in iOS4. Not five, four. Show me the local scout built in to gingerbread or honeycomb, not ice cream sandwich. Show me actually good voice recognition in an iPhone OTHER than the 4s. Any earlier and voice commands couldn't do crap on an iPhone, and siri is still a beta product. Show me the access camera while your phone is still locked feature on android or iOS BEFORE the lastest version. Show me the built in Bing music/shazaam in iOS or android before the latest version. Show me the integrated artist info in the music player in android or iOS before the latest version. Show me the app connect, show me the quick cards, show me the people hub, the threads view, the app integration in pictures, music or video hub. Show me the integrated music subscription service, show me the built in "google goggles" bing vision that could recognize text, qr codes, barcodes, microsoft tags, movies, books, magazines, products, etc., ALL before even taking a picture of the product. Google Goggles JUST rolled out an update a month ago that lets the camera recognize SOME of those things without taking a picture, but wp had it since mango. Show me that where "Google and Apple have been had them for a while" and THEN I won't think of you as an ignorant moron.

onedrummer2401 said,
What??? What rock have you been living under? Zune has been a music STREAMING service YEARS before Google Music or iCloud were even thought up. Get a Zune pass, and wherever you have a connection you have music, just like any other cloud service. Going to complain about the fact that it's a subscription? Put the songs you want to keep in skydrive,which has also been around before iCloud or Google Music. I could do this with my freaking 2nd gen 8 gb Zune years ago. You're insane. And sd cards?? again, where the crap have you been? Windows Phone has supported expandable memory since day one, the Samsung focus has it. If you want to complain about the lack of expandable memory, complain to the OEMs, not Microsoft. God you are so ignorant. And Google and Apple already had the features Mango had? What? Show me the Twitter/facebook/linkedin integration in iOS4. Not five, four. Show me the local scout built in to gingerbread or honeycomb, not ice cream sandwich. Show me actually good voice recognition in an iPhone OTHER than the 4s. Any earlier and voice commands couldn't do crap on an iPhone, and siri is still a beta product. Show me the access camera while your phone is still locked feature on android or iOS BEFORE the lastest version. Show me the built in Bing music/shazaam in iOS or android before the latest version. Show me the integrated artist info in the music player in android or iOS before the latest version. Show me the app connect, show me the quick cards, show me the people hub, the threads view, the app integration in pictures, music or video hub. Show me the integrated music subscription service, show me the built in "google goggles" bing vision that could recognize text, qr codes, barcodes, microsoft tags, movies, books, magazines, products, etc., ALL before even taking a picture of the product. Google Goggles JUST rolled out an update a month ago that lets the camera recognize SOME of those things without taking a picture, but wp had it since mango. Show me that where "Google and Apple have been had them for a while" and THEN I won't think of you as an ignorant moron.

Last time I checked, it was Microsoft that has to prove themselves and is still trying to prove themselves with Windows Phone 7. Google and Apple have the sales already to prove which is the better phone. Case closed. We have watched 11 videos by Microsoft Windows Phone pcguy and none of the features you just talked about were hardly used to prove why Windows Phone 7 is better than the iPhone or Android. Maybe you should have been the pcguy in the videos to convince us which is better. While I understand your passion to throw your money behind a phone that has been struggling from a COMA for a year since being born or a new O.S. on yesterday's hardware, I fail to understand you taking it personally where you feel you have to attack a person's character that you don't even know on a blog. Maybe your Windows Phone 7 isn't working the way it should today and you are bitter or you saw an app advertised for iPhone and Android and none for Windows Phone 7. Maybe someone sent you a SMS that bricked your phone where you had to reset it and lost all your information...(shrugs).

JSYOUNG571 said,
<insert>IGNORANT RANT.</insert>

Show me Windows Phone sales. Show me bad marketing. Oh, scratch that last comment. Silly me, I've seen those by Microsoft.


However, it looks like everyone who took the test at CES got something for their effort; namely a brand new Windows Phone. That's not a bad consolation prize at all.

WAIT A MINUTE.......That wasnt originally said. In this case, I would let my Android be smoked and let the WP device win. Get a new Windows Phone and sell it to get a new and better Android devices.

This is something else and probably the reason why a lot of people lost: They let themselves lose to get a new phone. Makes sense.

htcz said,

WAIT A MINUTE.......That wasnt originally said. In this case, I would let my Android be smoked and let the WP device win. Get a new Windows Phone and sell it to get a new and better Android devices.

This is something else and probably the reason why a lot of people lost: They let themselves lose to get a new phone. Makes sense.

Only some participants got a WP, not all of them as said on the comments before.

htcz said,

WAIT A MINUTE.......That wasnt originally said. In this case, I would let my Android be smoked and let the WP device win. Get a new Windows Phone and sell it to get a new and better Android devices.

This is something else and probably the reason why a lot of people lost: They let themselves lose to get a new phone. Makes sense.

Only 3 people got Windows Phones.

iwillneverstop said,

Only 3 people got Windows Phones.

Where does it say that? I would love to know. I think if you agreed to wear that silly sign around you, then you got the phone. Otherwise, why would I wear that stupid sign.

iwillneverstop said,

Only 3 people got Windows Phones.


Only because the rest refused to sign the release or were outside sponsor network carrier coverage.

UndergroundWire said,

Where does it say that? I would love to know. I think if you agreed to wear that silly sign around you, then you got the phone. Otherwise, why would I wear that stupid sign.

Check out the windows phone youtube channel, there are a lot of detailed videos. In order to play the game, you have to accept that if you win, you'll get 100$, if you lose, you have to say your name, your phone , "my phone got smoked by windows phone" and wear the sign.

Did you think about a game in which if you win, you'll get 100$, if you lose, you don't have to do anything. Ask your dady for that game

iwillneverstop said,

Check out the windows phone youtube channel, there are a lot of detailed videos. In order to play the game, you have to accept that if you win, you'll get 100$, if you lose, you have to say your name, your phone , "my phone got smoked by windows phone" and wear the sign.

Did you think about a game in which if you win, you'll get 100$, if you lose, you don't have to do anything. Ask your dady for that game


Here is where my insults to you are valid. FOLLOW THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION. YOU ARE SUCH A FOOLISH PERSON!!

WOW, so your argument is exactly like my argument and you are trying to insult me? You do realize you are saying exactly what I said. Do you know how to read? Ask your mommy to teach you.

PATHETIC! Change your name to ISHOULDQUIT.

Edited by UndergroundWire, Jan 22 2012, 3:43pm :

Hidr0 said,
Yet the SGSII won! according to their results... Wait for SGS III will be "WP Burned by Android" XD
Its the same OS so of cos its pretty much the same. Unless Touchwiz 5 makes it faster to post.

So basically they have widgets to post faster to facebook abd check weather etc? Is that a joke? Why and how is that making the phone faster? Can you play high end games or heavy video content? Current WP7 phones are slower even than my Galaxy S1 first generation phone...

if you have used a Windows Phone, you can really tell it's faster than Android - and I'm an Android user at that.

DaveBG said,
So basically they have widgets to post faster to facebook abd check weather etc? Is that a joke? Why and how is that making the phone faster? Can you play high end games or heavy video content? Current WP7 phones are slower even than my Galaxy S1 first generation phone...

You can do both, and enjoy XBLA games
But I think you missed the whole point of the subject, it's not about silly benchmark, but how fast you can do daily tasks. And WP with poor hardware is still more fluid/faster than any Android device is.

Anthonyd said,

You can do both, and enjoy XBLA games
But I think you missed the whole point of the subject, it's not about silly benchmark, but how fast you can do daily tasks. And WP with poor hardware is still more fluid/faster than any Android device is.

I love have Android users always miss the point with these tests and state that WP7 devices are slower than Android Devices. They seem to treat this as a benchmark of a devices speed.

For the benefit of you Android owners, this is not a benchmark on how fast the phones are overall but HOW FAST YOU CAN DO DAILY TASKS and not a benchmark of the hardware, what part of that do you still NOT get?

DaveBG said,
So basically they have widgets to post faster to facebook abd check weather etc? Is that a joke? Why and how is that making the phone faster? Can you play high end games or heavy video content? Current WP7 phones are slower even than my Galaxy S1 first generation phone...

Only several daily tasks such as taking pictures, posting to FB,twitter,..., finding places to do somethings, finding directions on maps, checking weather.

iwillneverstop said,

Only several daily tasks such as taking pictures, posting to FB,twitter,..., finding places to do somethings, finding directions on maps, checking weather.

Well that is the point , me and many other people will pay to not have facebook and twitter on the other hand WP7 cannot run heavy hardware hungry content. So it IS SLOWER.

DaveBG said,

Well that is the point , me and many other people will pay to not have facebook and twitter on the other hand WP7 cannot run heavy hardware hungry content. So it IS SLOWER.

Your reasoning is so funny. The fact that they don't show other things doesn't mean that WP Mango cannot run heavy things.

neo158 said,

I love have Android users always miss the point with these tests and state that WP7 devices are slower than Android Devices. They seem to treat this as a benchmark of a devices speed.

For the benefit of you Android owners, this is not a benchmark on how fast the phones are overall but HOW FAST YOU CAN DO DAILY TASKS and not a benchmark of the hardware, what part of that do you still NOT get?

the way i see it is like a 16 year old girl challenging her grandma on who can text faster on the same blackberry phone

chago12 said,

the way i see it is like a 16 year old girl challenging her grandma on who can text faster on the same blackberry phone

They only texted "hello" or the like, one or two simple words.

Anthonyd said,

You can do both, and enjoy XBLA games
But I think you missed the whole point of the subject, it's not about silly benchmark, but how fast you can do POINTLESS tasks. And WP with poor hardware is still more fluid/faster than any Android device is.

CORRECTED!

After all it was mostly about who can post to social networks faster.

rom said,
if you have used a Windows Phone, you can really tell it's faster than Android - and I'm an Android user at that.
UI yes. Games no for sure. My WP7 even lags slightly on fruit ninja...zzzz Best for smoothness its iOS UI is not laggy, games is not laggy as well.

iwillneverstop said,
Not all losers have chances to get free windows phones.

As far as I know, only 3 people got Windows Phones, one of them didn't play the game, just showed up and said that something about the UI of WP.

brent3000 said,
Get $100 or a $400 phone... I think i would have lost or asked for a phone over the $100 lol

I think that is exactly why one of the guys just surrendered XD

People are not this gullible are they? LOL! Look, if I walk up to that guy and say, lets see who can (do whatever my phone does best in a specific context), after I first make sure I have a strong wireless "not 3g or fake 4gXXX (because there is no real 4g yet) signal". Then I'd bet a thousand dollars on my older phone.

justmike said,
People are not this gullible are they? LOL! Look, if I walk up to that guy and say, lets see who can (do whatever my phone does best in a specific context), after I first make sure I have a strong wireless "not 3g or fake 4gXXX (because there is no real 4g yet) signal". Then I'd bet a thousand dollars on my older phone.

Let me correct several of your statements there. 1st (the obvious) 4G is real. LTE is better than HSDPA+ but it is real. Nowadays people refer to fake 4G as the HSDPA+ because technically it is an upgraded 3rd Generation mobile data and 4G LTE is a 4th Generation mobile data technology.

Now that we got that out of the way, both phones (Windows Phone and the "Challenger" had to be connected to a hotspot. An LTE phone couldn't have an "unfair" advantage since Windows Phone is playing catchup to that technology.

Anyway it was in good fun and I would have lost on purpose too.

UndergroundWire said,

Let me correct several of your statements there. 1st (the obvious) 4G is real. LTE is better than HSDPA+ but it is real. Nowadays people refer to fake 4G as the HSDPA+ because technically it is an upgraded 3rd Generation mobile data and 4G LTE is a 4th Generation mobile data technology.

Now that we got that out of the way, both phones (Windows Phone and the "Challenger" had to be connected to a hotspot. An LTE phone couldn't have an "unfair" advantage since Windows Phone is playing catchup to that technology.

Anyway it was in good fun and I would have lost on purpose too.

Wiki..
History of 4G and pre-4G technologies

As of December 2011, there are no 4G networks that fulfil the International Telecommunication Union's criteria of being able to achieve 1Gbit/s while stationary.[31]

However in December 2010, the ITU recognized that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

So, they are called 4g"whatever", but can never just be called 4g, because of this.
When it hits 120MB/s "that's bytes not bits", then we will have 4g.


Edited by justmike, Feb 1 2012, 9:48pm :

justmike said,

Wiki..
History of 4G and pre-4G technologies

As of December 2011, there are no 4G networks that fulfil the International Telecommunication Union's criteria of being able to achieve 1Gbit/s while stationary.[31]

However in December 2010, the ITU recognized that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

So, they are called 4g"whatever", but can never just be called 4g, because of this.
When it hits 120MB/s "that's bytes not bits", then we will have 4g.


Oh brother this stupid nonsense again. What is 4G? Oh I'll tell you it's the organization that names it. How are you to argue with the ITU. The ITU says it's 4G PERIOD. Nowhere did they say this is fake 4G. That was the foolish comment I was complaining about. There is no faster service than 4G LTE at the moment. Foolish people like you that argue the whole 4G nonsense are trying to appear smart but they are not. Be quiet unless you can prove that something better exists for the public. STOP CALLING IT FAKE. END OF STORY!

Okay, should I call it almost 4g? Did you read it? They set the bar high due to the lies they believed at the time, so we have 4g"something", but 4g was never reached for a reason, and still exists as that rate as a standard. So 4g is simply a different speed, than 4G LTE. I only say that because maybe someone would search for the reason that happened. Sorry if this was offensive.

Edited by justmike, Feb 2 2012, 3:57am :

justmike said,
Okay, should I call it almost 4g? Did you read it? They set the bar high due to the lies they believed at the time, so we have 4g"something", but 4g was never reached for a reason, and still exists as that rate as a standard. So 4g is simply a different speed, than 4G LTE. I only say that because maybe someone would search for the reason that happened. Sorry if this was offensive.

It's not offensive, it's just foolish. Foolish statements and arguments made all the time because someone once read something about 4G. To that I say stay quiet. It's the best mobile technology available.