Microsoft Preps to Unveil DirectX 11 Features

Unlike DirectX 9, the DirectX 10 will not have a more than four year lifespan as Microsoft Corp. plans to introduce features of DirectX 11 application programming interface at the forthcoming XNA gamefest conference that takes place next week in Seattle, Washington. Moreover, ATI, graphics product group of AMD, and Nvidia Corp. also plan to discuss certain Direct3D 11 features at upcoming conferences.

Microsoft is going to host four sessions dedicated to Direct3D 11 application programming interface (API), according to agenda of XNA conference. The world's largest software maker plans to introduce the Direct3D 11 graphics pipeline, unveil details about D3D 11 Tessellation capability, new type of shaders called Compute Shader as well as high level shader language 5.0.

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(BrainDedd said @ #2)
As good as the hype makes it sound, it's Vista only.

So ? XP will be pushed back more and more - live with it, it's a grandpa compared to other OS'es.
And Vista isn't that bad (when tweaked and configured correctly).

(BrainDedd said @ #2)
As good as the hype makes it sound, it's Vista only.

That sucks....i was really hoping to get this puppy installed on my Win98 machine. Why can't MS just support everything they've ever created ffs!!!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! Its like they're only in it for the money.

(Shadrack said @ #2.3)

That sucks....i was really hoping to get this puppy installed on my Win98 machine. Why can't MS just support everything they've ever created ffs!!!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! Its like they're only in it for the money.

Win 98?? Ya n00b!!! I was hoping that DX11 would help out Commander Keen on my DOS 5 rig!!!

(Pygmy_Hippo said @ #2.4)
Win 98?? Ya n00b!!! I was hoping that DX11 would help out Commander Keen on my DOS 5 rig!!! :D

DOS 5? What bloat, I had to use QEMM to get my memory usage right, and I had to spend hours configuring my autoexec and .sys files. What a pain! I downgraded to DOS 3.3 and I've never been happier. Hell, I've got WordStar running fine and Lotus does my numbers (who is ever gonna bother with dBase, what a waste!) and I can even go Online with a Slip account. (but there's not much there, just a few schools and a goverment sever locked in some closet in CO... nbd)


(gee, the scary thing is I have used all of that software way back when.... thanks guys, I feel OLD!)

Peace,
James Rose
New York City

Oh hell!! QEMM now that does take me way back! :)

I found the box for this the other day (I should really throw stuff out more often) - it came with Privateer and Ultima Underworld on many, many floppies!!

Kids don't know they're born these days!!

It means creating LOD models dynamically from a complex mesh. It doesn't always look good, check out Messiah. It means that the models used for different levels of depth are not painstakingly tweaked by developers, but that also means they won't look as good as they could, textures may not align properly, parts may look deformed, edges may pop out... it depends how they do it.

It's spelt Testicalation. For the longest time Video Card owners have been measuring their e-peinses and engaging in a "Mine is bigger than yours" contest, but the testosterone scientists at Micro & Soft (Maker of the worlds smallest and softest penises) designed a new feature into DirectX 11 that allows gamers to literally hook up their testicles to their PCs, allowing them to be stimulated in new and terrifying ways.
The League Of Uninformed Video Game Bashers & Anal-Retentive Soccer Moms immediately denounced the new technology as being sexist, and demanded a female-compatible version of the technology. Micro & Soft countered that the Sony Gaystation already has that feature patented.

I wonder if this means I'll need a DX11 hardware compatible graphics card? I just recently purchased a DX10 hardware compatible card. GTS 8800 / 640M The only 'game' I play is MS Flight Simulator X. Any word from any source on backwards compatibility?

The Vista bashing is so pathetically transparent and quite boring. Our 4 Vista boxes play smoothly. I would never go back(and it would be going 'BACK' in time) to XP. Been using Windows since WFWG 3.11.

(Little Charlie said @ #5)
I wonder if this means I'll need a DX11 hardware compatible graphics card? I just recently purchased a DX10 hardware compatible card. GTS 8800 / 640M The only 'game' I play is MS Flight Simulator X. Any word from any source on backwards compatibility?

The Vista bashing is so pathetically transparent and quite boring. Our 4 Vista boxes play smoothly. I would never go back(and it would be going 'BACK' in time) to XP. Been using Windows since WFWG 3.11.

Every single version of DirectX ever released is fully compatible with older hardware, however any new features added to the spec are NOT.
So if you had a Riva TNT2, it would happily run on a DirectX 11 system, it just wouldn't be able to take advantage of it.

This will be exactly the same - your card will work fine if you install DX11, but you wont get any of the benefits from it. It's up to individual developers to decide if their game will run on your card or not.
I wouldn't worry, chances are the uptake of DX11 will be fairly slow and they wont cut out 90%+ of their potential market just to have the best looking game, they'll have fallback routines that take over if DX11 features aren't supported.

(Little Charlie said @ #5)
I wonder if this means I'll need a DX11 hardware compatible graphics card? I just recently purchased a DX10 hardware compatible card. GTS 8800 / 640M The only 'game' I play is MS Flight Simulator X. Any word from any source on backwards compatibility?

The Vista bashing is so pathetically transparent and quite boring. Our 4 Vista boxes play smoothly. I would never go back(and it would be going 'BACK' in time) to XP. Been using Windows since WFWG 3.11.


Yeah this vista bashing is getting stupid... OMG!@#!@# I LOST 5FPS! so freaking what? out of the 160FPS you get already?... It's almost as bad as if I went around saying OMG Rosetta makes my PowerPC app's run slower on Intel chips! Apple sux0rz! They should of make it run at 100% the speed of PPCs!

Why don't they make video cards that can be easily upgraded when Microsoft decides to pave the road yet again instead of constantly having to buy a new one? Is this just a case of rampant forced consumerism? Newer is not always better.

newer generally is better... it's just that these days we're seeing more and more new things, and can't keep up

thats the way things are these days, which i guess is a good thing?

all it means is that instead of having the 'latest' once every 3 years, you'll have 'old stuff' seeing that every year there will be something new... you will be able to have the bleeding edge without waiting years - nature of the beast?

(Foub said @ #6)
Why don't they make video cards that can be easily upgraded when Microsoft decides to pave the road yet again instead of constantly having to buy a new one? Is this just a case of rampant forced consumerism? Newer is not always better.


No need for that, only tools and sheep buy the biggest and greatest the moment it comes out. We're in a world of DX10, and honestly how many games actually take advantage of DX10, 2-3 maybe more, same with DX11 by the time it's actually being used in games we'll b e on DX12. As long as your card works for you, keep it.

(dewaaz said @ #6.1)
newer generally is better... it's just that these days we're seeing more and more new things, and can't keep up

In my experience newer is not always better. Its not a matter of "keeping up" either.

thats the way things are these days, which i guess is a good thing?

Not really. Rampant consumerism is quite harmful to both society and the environment. Look what it has done to the USA now. Its gotten so that money to buy things is more important than actually running things. 70% of American roads and bridges are deemed unsafe.

all it means is that instead of having the 'latest' once every 3 years, you'll have 'old stuff' seeing that every year there will be something new... you will be able to have the bleeding edge without waiting years - nature of the beast?

More likely you end up bleeding to death if you get too close to that edge......

(Foub said @ #6)
Why don't they make video cards that can be easily upgraded when Microsoft decides to pave the road yet again instead of constantly having to buy a new one? Is this just a case of rampant forced consumerism? Newer is not always better.

Microsoft and their partners are in the buisness of "newer is always better." If that wasn't their prime initiative, then they would all be out of the job.

They do make video cards easy to upgrade. You just buy a new one and pop it in. At least you (generally) don't have to buy an entirely new computer FFS! Do you have to upgrade? Absolutely not. Do you have to upgrade if you want new features that new hardware supports, well Duh!

I guess I'll have to put off buying a new PC, since I don't want to buy one and 5 months later theres a new CPU socket, series of processors, new GPUs and now DX11.

Unless you are building a high-end system, you don't have to wait that long.

You can put up a more than capable system with a good graphics card without breaking the bank. But i would wait if i wanted to build a high-end computer. Just for nehalem and their new sockets, DDR3, CPU's and Mptherboards.

For video cards, DX11 support will come up in more than six months away, more than enough to use a good card now, then save and wait a few more months, then jump into the DX11 bandwagon.

He's right, no rush you know. MS is just going to now start talking about some or maybe all of the new DX11 features they'll have, video card and game devs needs this early info so this is no real shock.

That said, we have no real idea of when MS will finish and release DX11. It could be this time next year maybe? By then anyone with a DX10 card might want to upgrade to a newer one anyways?

What is the point of DX 11 when we still don't use DX 10.

It's all just becoming one big con... purely designed to sell an OS that most of the world wouldn't use even if it was the last OS around and to sell new unnecessary graphics hardware when there is only one game that still can't be run optimally.. and as far as I know no one of any consequence plays it anymore anyway.

If any of you are actually uninformed enough to be excited about this piece of NON news then you fully deserve to be separated from your money.

BTW, while I'm on the subject.. the level of NON issues and stupidity on this board stuns me.

People don't complain about Vista 'coz of 'frame-rates in gaming'.. people complain about Vista because of the restrictions it places on the computer, the UNNECESSARY use of system resources (all of the hardware polling is designed to be monitoring what you do on your computer NOT increasing any kind of functionality! ) and simply because we will not accept the direction for future computing that MS are trying to railroad us into.

SO, I would be very grateful if the dim and uninformed would stop spreading garbage about gaming figures and using that to 'illustrate' their erroneous argument that those who refuse point blank ever to use Vista are doing so out of some kind of gaming priority...

WE don't use it, because we understand EXACTLY what is under the hood of the OS and we DON'T like it.

If any of you would HONESTLY like to learn about the 'new fangled shiny' you are using then you may wish to read about it... http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... the article is a serious piece of writing and therefore requires brains and a little thought to understand and is hence useless to most people who may find themselves ranting about the joys of Vista..

Your talking utter nonsense.

The hardware polling is nothing to do with "monitoring your system" or what you do. Try reading the article you post to. The article in question relates to HDCP which is also implemented on game consoles and high-end HD TV's as well as some of the newer Blue-Ray players.

HDCP creates a secure channel between the media stream start within the system through to your display. If the system detects syphoning (e.g. pumping the protected content through a non-protected port such as VGA rather than HDMI) then the content will stop playing. The other protection mechanism is that if hardware manufacturers find that a driver or bit of hardware can be circumevented then after releasing new patches/driver then you must use these to play the protected content.

There is no "phoning home" or "monitoring". Your drivers must not be on the revocation list (the same way the SSL certificates work) and that if the system detected syphoning of protected content then it will stop the content from playing.
As of now there is no content that enforces any of this - as it's up to the content author.

The reason of the polling is a comination of technologies that DO increase functionality such as SuperFetch and Indexing.

Please stop spreading this garbage around without further information to back it up. The whole "Vista is DRM infested" argument died out well over a year ago when the nay-sayers discovered that infact it was FUD.
The only "phoning phone" or "monitoring" included is the same as what was included with Windows XP in terms of the activation.

I worked with directx api and was the more awful and frustrating experience ever. But the worst part was that MS will change the specification for every new version.

Me and other programmers don't want to spend many months learning and practicing in a new specification that can last only a couple of years, and users don't want to spend in a new graphics card.

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