Microsoft received no help from Google for Windows Phone's YouTube app


Microsoft released a complete overhaul of its YouTube app for Windows Phone 8 this week

When Microsoft released its new YouTube app for Windows Phone 8 on Tuesday morning, questions were posed as to whether or not Google had provided new access to its YouTube application programming interfaces. According to a Microsoft spokesman, that's not the case.

The spokesman provided the following statement to us regarding the app's development:

Windows Phone invested additional engineering resources against existing APIs to re-architect a Windows Phone app that delivers a great YouTube experience, including support for unique Windows Phone 8 features such as Live Tiles and Kids Corner. Microsoft did not receive any additional technical support to create the Windows Phone YouTube app.

Microsoft's previous YouTube "app" for Windows Phone devices was simply a link to the website's mobile version, which the company said at the time was essentially the best YouTube solution it could create because of restricted APIs.

Though the spokesman didn't comment on whether Microsoft asked Google to open its YouTube APIs, the company has complained to U.S. and European regulators in the past about the video-sharing site's restricted APIs. Additionally, the spokesman provided no comment on whether or not a similar YouTube app would be released for Windows 8 and Windows RT devices. Microsoft reminded Windows Phone 7 users late Tuesday that the app would soon be released for their operating system.

Google declined to make a Windows Phone version of its YouTube app, which is available on its Android operating system as well as Apple's iOS. Clay Bavor, product management director at Google Apps, has said his division has no plans on releasing future apps for Windows or Windows Phone platforms because the company "will go where the users are, but they are not on Windows Phone or Windows 8."

Neowin's previous article about the app's release has been updated to include Microsoft's statement.

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You know what - I bet it was the same thing for the 360. My Xbox Youtube app hangs after just a few videos when using the search feature.

What I'd really like to see happen, is to have global support for the app so that when you click a YouTube link anywhere it plays through YouTube app rather than in the default video player. Either this, or update the video player -- since there's a lot you can't do with it like drag to seek.

This means the app has a built in flash player and that's how it gets to play these videos. I guess Microsoft means business. To rub salt in the wounds they added video downloads. Nice


Additionally, the spokesman provided no comment on whether or not a similar YouTube app would be released for Windows 8 and Windows RT devices.

I can understand a phone may benefit from an app, but I don't see the need for an app for Windows 8 or RT. Both have a modern web browser that even supports flash unlike some other mobile OSs. Youtube.com works just fine.

All you need to do is try Metrotube and you will eat those words. Having a fully functional website is great but an app made by a competent developer who has control over the experience the app creates is generally going to be better.

What goes around comes around. MS and their campaigns/trash talk against Google. Both CEOs need to be put in a room and have them fight it out. I'd pay to see that.

Anyway, both companies have their issues towards one another. Cannot fault one and not the other.

Sometimes you reap what you sew. I wouldn't want to help a company that was trying to sue my product out of existence, and extort my OEMs either.

Javik said,
Sometimes you reap what you sew. I wouldn't want to help a company that was trying to sue my product out of existence, and extort my OEMs either.

In this case, the word you'd use is "sow". Not exactly part of common vernacular anymore, unless you're a farmer. It just means you can't expect output (reaping crops) not to reflect the quality of your input (sowing seeds).

FWIW, it isn't "sometimes", either. It's intended as a logical extension / other side of the coin to the golden rule. Treat others as you would have them treat you -- act poorly and receive a poor reward. The more you know.

Let's not forget even the ios app was made by Apple until less than a year ago when ios 6 dumped it and Google were forced to release their own app.

Doesn't really have a bearing on that. It was Apple's decision.

What's pathetic is that not only will they not make an app, they won't allow MS to make an app using the API.

I honestly think we will see some change which will ultimately break this app.

icwhatudidthere said,
Let's not forget even the ios app was made by Apple until less than a year ago when ios 6 dumped it and Google were forced to release their own app.

Would love to see Google's response if and when the same happens on WP.

That is essentially what I was going to say. Google lost its way long ago and has just been power grab after power grab.

Hell, even Sony and MS work with each other despite being direct competitors.

Google took over Suns position in the tech market.
And yes Sony and Microsoft are mature enough to work together between other divisions. Its just the Xbox and Playstation divisions that don't play nice to eachother

MDboyz said,
Wait 'till google re-design youtube just to mess with MS youtube app ...

Google is very quick to API overhauls. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if, within the next few months, an article popped up about major changes to the YouTube back-end that break a ton of third-party apps and services.

Microsoft is using V2 API like everyone else
these API are static
if Microsoft would have use v3 experimental API this could have been the case

Google only seems to care about themselves. The only reason they develop apps for iOS is the numbers. They simply cannot ignore the large number of iOS users. It's one of the reasons why I moved away from Gmail to Outlook.

Anyway, I think Microsoft did a great job with the app. It can play videos that weren't made available for mobile which is an issue you'll come across if you visit the mobile version of YouTube.com.

Wait really? You can play regular videos and not stuck with "not made available for mobile"? This is an issue with even google's own YouTube app on android.
This is good Microsoft you did well even better than google with their own service

ctrl_alt_delete said,
Wait really? You can play regular videos and not stuck with "not made available for mobile"? This is an issue with even google's own YouTube app on android.
This is good Microsoft you did well even better than google with their own service

Yep They are obviously fetching the video data with a desktop UAS

What amuses me the most is that if this were the other way around and Microsoft were refusing to help Google make an exchange or Outlook app, people here would probably still blame Google for it. I for one find this funny, Microsoft are trying to sue Android out of existence because their product is too crap to succeed on it's own merits and that decision is biting them.

ingramator said,

Yep They are obviously fetching the video data with a desktop UAS

Soooooo what you're saying is, we need Microsoft to make the next Hulu app.

Well if Google ever did a youtube app for Windows Phone, there would be ads before every video.

I couldn't find a single third-party youtube app on Google Play, the official one is hideous!

Is there something wrong with your Google Play search facility as mine returned results for these non-official youtube apps:

FREEdi youtube player
NextVid youtube player
Floating YouTube Popup Video
TubeBox - YouTube Player Pro
etc,etc.........

However, IMO you could do far worse than Google for TubeMate and download from the official site - use it not only to view but also download YouTube videos in any available quality or just as an mp3 audio rip.

yes video ads are part of the V3 official API
I'm sure you would have these ads also if Microsoft had a video sharing platform with API...

20legend said,
Is there something wrong with your Google Play search facility as mine returned results for these non-official youtube apps:

FREEdi youtube player
NextVid youtube player
Floating YouTube Popup Video
TubeBox - YouTube Player Pro
etc,etc.........

However, IMO you could do far worse than Google for TubeMate and download from the official site - use it not only to view but also download YouTube videos in any available quality or just as an mp3 audio rip.


The comment was hideous. Clearly a hater who probably just wanted to write something negative. Quite frankly the official one on Android is quite nice. Better than the 3rd Party.

What I don't get is that the user argument line is a fallacy. The Vita and Wii U each have about 4 million or so users, but both quickly got Google Maps and YouTube apps near launch. Nokia sold at least 5.5 million Lumia units last quarter, and Microsoft has sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses.

I think it's pretty easy to spot the BS here.

dagamer34 said,
What I don't get is that the user argument line is a fallacy. The Vita and Wii U each have about 4 million or so users, but both quickly got Google Maps and YouTube apps near launch. Nokia sold at least 5.5 million Lumia units last quarter, and Microsoft has sold 100 million Windows 8 licenses.

I think it's pretty easy to spot the BS here.


What do you not get...? Google is in a crusade against MS. It is that simple.

Maybe it's because they used the general API that even Microsoft could use like they did with this app.

API v3 are experimental and should not be used in production since they can change at any moment.

the reason why they can change is because Youtube is evolving a lot with the Google+ integration

Crimson Rain said,

What do you not get...? Google is in a crusade against MS. It is that simple.

So is Apple. So is Microsoft with Google and Apple. So is Google with Apple. Geesh.

DarkNet said,

So is Apple. So is Microsoft with Google and Apple. So is Google with Apple. Geesh.

I don't see MS blocking access to anything on Google devices. MS also make a few apps for Android.

W32.Backdoor.KillAV.E said,

I don't see MS blocking access to anything on Google devices. MS also make a few apps for Android.

I don't see Google blocking anything on iDevices too. You want to know why, MARKET SHARE!!!

the only service i use from google is youtube, and i really love to be far away from google, their ways of doing business are not with my ideals at all!

Google are far too busy finding arbitrary reasons to block access to their stuff from Windows Phone to make an app for it...

Google 'We blocked this web app because Windows Phone doesn't support it'
Reality: 'Yes...it does, it works fine'
Google: 'No it doesn't, shush'

-_-

https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/
I guess Bing cannot find this simple query...
the reason why google doesn't provide full API is because youtube is having major redesign right now and API can change. You can use V2 but they are not as powerful as v3 will be.

btw Microsoft saying Google will not release full API is ridiculous.
Go back a little bit the same concern we're made against Microsoft Windows API

Youtube is ALWAYS going through a major redesign, they change layouts of the entire site about every 3 weeks now. It gets ridiculous

NesTle said,
Go back a little bit the same concern we're made against Microsoft Windows API

Which API? Microsoft provides access to access to thousands of APIs for windows. Do you mean Office? They had a dust up over private APIs for Office in the 90s is that what you are talking about. You are obviously pretty awesome at the Google so thanks for the clarity.

blackjezuz said,
.....

There was also a scuttle over undocumented Windows APIs as well.
The court settlement for that had MS update the documentation.
I believe it was around this time they opened up the Kernel source for Acedemia as well.