Microsoft rumored, again, to release cheaper Xbox One in 2014

A mysterious NeoGAF forum member named "ntkrnl" posted what he claimed was a ton of insider information about Microsoft's plans for the Xbox One for the rest of 2014 and beyond earlier this week. One of those info nuggets was that Microsoft could release an Xbox One that costs $399 before the end of the year, but added that it might not come with an optical drive.

Now another rumor from the usually reliable VG247.com states that Microsoft is telling trusted publishing partners that it will indeed release a new version of the Xbox One before the end of the year. This model will be priced below that of the current $499 SKU, but the story's source was unable to confirm that it would not have an optical drive.

The story did not state that this new version would be lowered all the way down to $399 which may indicate it could be priced around $450. This leaves some wiggle room that it could have some upgraded features like a larger hard drive.

The same story also claims, again via unnamed sources, that Microsoft could lower the price of the current Xbox One model down to $399, the same price as Sony's PlayStation 4, when the new SKU comes out. Microsoft is still selling a number of different versions of the Xbox 360, all with different price points, but so far it has only sold one SKU for the Xbox One.

The $499 price tag is certainly one of the biggest gaps between the Xbox One and PS4. Two UK retailers have already taken it upon themselves to lower the price of the Xbox One by the equivalent of $33, in a territory where the PS4 is reportedly outselling Microsoft's console. Microsoft recently stated it has sold 3.9 million Xbox One consoles to retail stores by the end of 2013 and sold over three million of them to consumers.

Source: VG247.com | Image via Microsoft

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I think it's pretty obvious that there will probably be hardware revisions by the end of the year for both of the consoles. Most consoles have a few different iterations to address issues encountered with the first version that they didn't find in testing. The Xbox 360, PS1, PS2, PS3 are just recent consoles that had hardware revisions that totally changed how they looked and in some instances, performed. There are going to be problems with any new console that are just impossible to anticipate in the testing phase because of the shear amount of units produced and sold when they're actually released to the public. That's why I always wait at least 6 months or so before buying a new console.

its pretty simple. give me a x one without kinect and at 399 and ill buy 2 right now. can you imagine how many more xbox's they would have sold if it was 399 from the get go. probably on par with the ps4 or maybe even surpassing it. its a shame too.

A Kinect less Xbox for ~£100 cheaper and I'd have bought an Xbone at launch.
Right now, I'm going to stay with the 360 until the games stop coming out for it, around 2017 ..and STILL won't get an Xbone if it comes with Kinect

Please make one for just Xbox Music, Video, Netflix, and other Apps!! (maybe basic games as well) - compete with apple/google TV!!!!!

Well we see the usual arguing back and forth about how terrible MS is and how the Xbox is so terrible, blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, in the real world, the X1 is selling great. It is not selling as much as the ps4, but its hard to tell how much of that is due to the ps4 being available in so many more markets vs the X1, so unless MS has hard sales data to tell them otherwise, I doubt they would make any moves to correct poor sales until they see the launch numbers in other territories.

If this rumor is true then it seems clear that MS wants to offer cheaper options to customers as soon as possible, regardless of what their sales are currently.

As far as what they should remove, its clear that some people here want Kinect removed. they would just love for that to happen, not because they want an X1, oh no, but because that would be so entertaining to watch.

For all the flack that Kinect gets, MS has made it a feature of the X1, not a separate piece. Selling it as an add-on just wont get them the developer attention or exposure they want. Kinect is so integrated into the system experience that if you remove it, you remove possible features to sell to customers and it would require changes to the OS/UI. Having it in the bundle hurts no one except MS who has to eat the costs in order to price the console properly.

So yeah, I would wager that MS would be willing to lose a bit of money on each console if they had to sell a single SKU at $399 without losing Kinect.


There's a few assumptions in your post, specifically about the number of regions and how the sales are based on that number. Sales for both consoles would not be near to being equal if both were available in the same number of regions. I can hear it now, after a few years, "well, the PS4 is only ahead because it's available in 70 regions, compared to Xbox's 65".

That'd be worse than comparing sales of the PS3 to a console that came out one year before in NA or 18 months in EU but acting like they came out on the same day. /s

Also, I would be interested in a Kinect-less bundle. I refuse to purchase a system where a large portion of the overall bundle would go unused. It's not like it's a spare HDMI cable that I wouldn't use since I have a few lying around, but rather, a $100 piece of hardware that'd rot in my closet. I might as well as light a Benjamin on fire.

I don't understand why you guys are debating the optical drive exclusion, there would still be the choice of an xb1 with a drive for a higher cost or one without. Theres nothing to debate grab the one you want and be done with it.

In respect to Kinectless, not going to happen.

MS wants Kinect to be an integral part of the games / xb1 experience and I think theres a lot of potential there over the life of the console but devs won't invest money into a niche accessory (which is what it would become if they removed it), if they know every xb1 has Kinect then its worth them considering / investing in how it could enhance or change their games experience.

Antoine Prince said,
get rid of the bluray drive, make it digital and add 1-2 terabye. 500gig will not suffice.

bluray sales are growing and setting new sales records, specially during black friday and holiday periods. It's far from over for disc media.

stevan said,

bluray sales are growing and setting new sales records, specially during black friday and holiday periods. It's far from over for disc media.


This. Just because "some" people stream only doesn't mean the majority does. Bluray isn't going anywhere for quite some time.

i think the main problem is with internet caps. Most ISP's in england have unlimited downloads, when you buy the more expensive packages, for me ill be looking at either BTs upto 76Mit broadband (speed checker says i should get 66Mbit out of that) or go for 120Mbit virgin media but i hear it can be heavily traffic managed at peak hours but still getting 40Mbit, have wait fo the rest of my estate to be built first but the same cnt be said for the rest of europe or america i think in some places america have some horrendous caps or face paying a big premium for alot/unlimited downloads

Not everyone can afford to download 40GB a game cus that could exceed there usage allowance or be a huge part of it. If they do remove the bluray drive i think it should be offered in select countrys that can download it cus a smart bluray player in england is easily £50, one with wifi bout £80. Not expensive at all, when the PS3 launched they were like £1000 so PS3 was considered cheap bluray player

The problem I see with removing the Blu-ray drive is that it pretty much kills the idea of the Xbox one being the "one" entertainment system as now you will need a separate DVD and Blu-ray player Even with services like Netflix the best experience still comes from a Blu-ray disc as the quality is higher in every way. People will argue that "people who want a Blu-ray player already have one!" and similar but that isn't really the point. The point is Microsoft apparently designed the whole Xbox One experience around it being the "one" entertainment system that does it all. Hell they even included HDMI pass-through for cable boxes so the "one" system thing is the core of the product but no Blu-ray drive stops it being the "one" system you need for all your entertainment needs. If they remove the Blu-ray drive your Xbox One becomes "a games console with Netflix" which is something Microsoft have been trying very hard to persuade people it is not.

who needs a br drive when you can stream/download movies? physical media is dead. I stopped buying CD's a decade ago. I don't know when the last time I bought a DVD.

InTheSwiss said,
The problem I see with removing the Blu-ray drive is that it pretty much kills the idea of the Xbox one being the "one" entertainment system as now you will need a separate DVD and Blu-ray player Even with services like Netflix the best experience still comes from a Blu-ray disc as the quality is higher in every way. People will argue that "people who want a Blu-ray player already have one!" and similar but that isn't really the point. The point is Microsoft apparently designed the whole Xbox One experience around it being the "one" entertainment system that does it all. Hell they even included HDMI pass-through for cable boxes so the "one" system thing is the core of the product but no Blu-ray drive stops it being the "one" system you need for all your entertainment needs. If they remove the Blu-ray drive your Xbox One becomes "a games console with Netflix" which is something Microsoft have been trying very hard to persuade people it is not.

Agreed. I would have no interest in an XBox without a Bluray Drive. I want as few boxes as I can...

Antoine Prince said,
who needs a br drive when you can stream/download movies? physical media is dead. I stopped buying CD's a decade ago. I don't know when the last time I bought a DVD.

You should look into bluray sales.

Antoine Prince said,
who needs a br drive when you can stream/download movies? physical media is dead. I stopped buying CD's a decade ago. I don't know when the last time I bought a DVD.

That is great but Netflix doesn't have everything that is available on DVD and Blu-ray. Also films they do have today and not always available tomorrow and if I stop paying for Netflix I have nothing. Also you just get the feature on Netflix you don't get any of the extras which is something I enjoy a lot. Not to mention the quality issues I sometimes get with Netflix during peak times when my internet connection is being maxed out with others using it or when my ISP is overloaded. When I am in London and have 70 Mbit fibre that isn't a problem but when elsewhere it sucks to suddenly have the film drop in quality (very noticeable when it drops from Super HD!) or worse buffer! None of that with a physical disc and I get better quality and the extras.

Antoine Prince said,
who needs a br drive when you can stream/download movies? physical media is dead. I stopped buying CD's a decade ago. I don't know when the last time I bought a DVD.

Oh yeah and have fun downloading that 40+GB per game! Even on fibre that isn't going to be fun and remember that in most of the world (esp. America) data caps are a big thing so even if you have >100Mbps fibre it could easily use up your whole data allowance. Sucks but that is the reality.

InTheSwiss said,

.....

100Mbit Fiber with no data cap!

I love the idea of a disc-less system as I only own two blu-ray discs now and that was to test the drive in my XBOX ONE after hearing reports online of faulty drives.

Agreed, they could just allow voice commands through the headset (except Xbox On), it would be a lot cheaper and work fine for gamers who don't want the TV stuff.

the better twin said,
They're removing the wrong hardware. Remove Kinect not the optical drive. They could probably slash more off the price then.

Apparently, you are not seeing the strategy that MS is trying to accomplish ...if the rumor is true

the better twin said,
They're removing the wrong hardware. Remove Kinect not the optical drive. They could probably slash more off the price then.

They can't do that. That would fragment the console...

M_Lyons10 said,

They can't do that. That would fragment the console...

Of course they can. People said the same thing about the core 360 lacking a hard drive. Makes little difference in the end. If people are interested in kinect then people will buy it and devs will support it. At present though it is a big dead weight that means they can't be anywhere near price competitive with the PS4 even with weaker hardware.

the better twin said,

Of course they can. People said the same thing about the core 360 lacking a hard drive. Makes little difference in the end. If people are interested in kinect then people will buy it and devs will support it. At present though it is a big dead weight that means they can't be anywhere near price competitive with the PS4 even with weaker hardware.

Yikes! Here you go again with that weaker hardware logic. Don't get me wrong, technically, there are positives and negatives on how Sony is running their console. In any case, if it is that weak, how come it can run multiple operating systems, and it can allow you do to multiple things as well? Oh that is right, it is implementation.

I would agree with M_Lyons, MS wouldn't want to fragment this. Now, as I said, if the rumor is true, and MS is axing the BD drive, it is because MS has always believed that everything is going digital. There are lots of digital devices out there that people are using, some come with drives and some are dedicated to digital content. Gaming is heading there already.

By the way, do you even own a Xbox One?

RommelS said,

Yikes! Here you go again with that weaker hardware logic. Don't get me wrong, technically, there are positives and negatives on how Sony is running their console. In any case, if it is that weak, how come it can run multiple operating systems, and it can allow you do to multiple things as well? Oh that is right, it is implementation.

I would agree with M_Lyons, MS wouldn't want to fragment this. Now, as I said, if the rumor is true, and MS is axing the BD drive, it is because MS has always believed that everything is going digital. There are lots of digital devices out there that people are using, some come with drives and some are dedicated to digital content. Gaming is heading there already.

By the way, do you even own a Xbox One?


I don't know why you are rambling on. Its accepted that the Xbox one has slower Ram and a less powerful GPU. Your talk of 3 operating systems (which isn't correct) and implementation do nothing to change that.
I dont want to go into the whole digital argument as others have covered it plenty (data usage) but suffice to say MS themselves have said non-digital distribution is not going away anytime soon.
Finally, I dont know what owning one has to do with anything? Were you ready to camp out for whatever Microsoft released even if it was a big steaming turd?

the better twin said,

I don't know why you are rambling on. Its accepted that the Xbox one has slower Ram and a less powerful GPU. Your talk of 3 operating systems (which isn't correct) and implementation do nothing to change that.
I dont want to go into the whole digital argument as others have covered it plenty (data usage) but suffice to say MS themselves have said non-digital distribution is not going away anytime soon.
Finally, I dont know what owning one has to do with anything? Were you ready to camp out for whatever Microsoft released even if it was a big steaming turd?

Oh so you don't know that having a GDDR3 can cause high latency. Hmmmmm.

Implementation has nothing to do with it? Wow, right there just shows me how much you know about technology. You can have the newest and greatest chip out there, but if it is not implemented or optimized appropriately, it is not going to hum that way as it is intended too. Look at Android smartphones out here. Even with a core processor, it is still lagging.

Fair enough about the digital media. However, MS did also state that they believe that everything will be going to DLC.

What owning one has to do with anything? Oh there's a lot you can learn if you own one rather than just going by what you are reading or experiencing from time to time. As such, it shows that you don't even know anything about Xbox One other than what you read online.

stevan said,

They can't keep selling an inferior product for a higher price.


Xbox One tech specs are marginally lower than PS4, but for build quality, Xbox One is the winner.

(Tidosho can explain why, far better than I can!)

stevan said,

All while shattering sales records. Nice try to go off topic

that's my point.
Microsoft managed to sell more xbox one than ps4 in the united states.

exactly like apple manages to sell a little more iPhones than android devices in the united states.

but in the rest of the world, this strategy doesn't work as well :

MS sells a little fewer xbox one than ps4.
apple sells a LOT fewer devices than android.

link8506 said,

that's my point.
Microsoft managed to sell more xbox one than ps4 in the united states.

exactly like apple manages to sell a little more iPhones than android devices in the united states.

but in the rest of the world, this strategy doesn't work as well :

MS sells a little fewer xbox one than ps4.
apple sells a LOT fewer devices than android.

Microsoft can't sell more Xbox's outside the US because to a lot of countries, $100 more is a lot of country. Guess who will sell more. In order for Microsoft to stay relevant in this console generation, it needs to sell A LOT more in it's home country. But that isn't the case.

As for the whole "Apple" and "iPhone", Apple released it's earnings a few days ago. You should read it.

Also, moderators deleted our replies the first time you tried to get off topic. Hint, Hint...

stevan said,

Microsoft can't sell more Xbox's outside the US because to a lot of countries, $100 more is a lot of country. Guess who will sell more. In order for Microsoft to stay relevant in this console generation, it needs to sell A LOT more in it's home country. But that isn't the case.

As for the whole "Apple" and "iPhone", Apple released it's earnings a few days ago. You should read it.

you should read Microsoft's earnings too.

they aren't desperate either. And in the current console war, they're pretty much in the same position as Apple is on the phone market.

it's funny that you think MS' strategy is bad when it is basically similar to apple's (no price war, confidence in the product, ...)


Also, moderators deleted our replies the first time you tried to get off topic. Hint, Hint...

yet they forgot to delete your troll about the xbox one.

link8506 said,

you should read Microsoft's earnings too.

they aren't desperate either. And in the current console war, they're pretty much in the same position as Apple is on the phone market.

it's funny that you think MS' strategy is bad when it is basically similar to apple's (no price war, confidence in the product, ...)

Except one HUGE difference. Xbox One has exponentially more bad press than any of the current Apple products. If you really want to compare. So their strategy, to sell a weaker gaming product competing with another gaming product for more money is a bad strategy when you see how badly the Xbox One was received by the media.

Microsoft was kicking Sony's ass big time in their home market with the 360. This time the sales are much closer. That says a lot. Not even sure why i'm still talking, sales numbers can do it for me.

DJGM said,

but for build quality, Xbox One is the winner.

As someone who has owned no less than 8 Xbox 360 consoles in less than 7 years (originally bought one for Halo 3) I can't help but laugh at anyone who uses the term build quality and Xbox in the same sentence. Microsoft's build quality is absolutely horrific. This is not exclusive to myself either, I've had friends, family, and roommates go through the same problems too. Given their reputation for making their consoles as cheaply as possible I'm avoiding all future Microsoft consoles like the plague.

On the contrary, I've owned one PS3 since 2006 and it still works to this day. It's also worth noting that I've used it on an almost daily basis for gaming, watching movies/netflix, streaming video from PC, etc.

Which is why theyve played it safe making a bigger housing with better air flow and not integrating the psu, taking into account if it gets shoved into a entertainment cabinet like it most likely will do cus although MS can comfortably eat up the billion $$$ loss no company wants to pay it out

Also theres is one thing that absolutely winds me up people say consoles have better price to performance than an equivalent PC... well of course they have there fixed hardware and can purchase units in 100,000 to 1million chip quanities making them cheap and becuase your only producing the one SoC its going to be very cheap cus you tool a factory/fab once then pump out millions of the same thing and get the whole thing built cheaply you cant do that with a PC cus of all the differing parts.

Just thought id chuck that in because that arguement is pathetic as well. If a company made a i7 4770, high end z87 MB, 16GB ram, asus phoebus sound card, dual 780 ti's, integrated it all onto 1 board then made a housing to accomodate an SSD, 250GB as standard with room for 4 additional hard drives and built 4 million of them it would be cheaper than buying the components separately and building it yourself. Just saying thats all!

link8506 said,
Microsoft managed to sell more xbox one than ps4 in the united states.

Probably because people still get in line like they did on the 19th of January out here at our local Best Buy just to pick up a PS4.

its nice to know about US vs Euope sales... i persoanlly think theyve bin holdign back stock in the US and Europe for there Japanese (asian) launch date... Japanese sales are going to be rediculously high and i think those sales alone will be a definitive answer to which console has the best sales and unfortunately ill admit it will definately be thr PS4

psionicinversion said,
its nice to know about US vs Euope sales... i persoanlly think theyve bin holdign back stock in the US and Europe for there Japanese (asian) launch date... Japanese sales are going to be rediculously high and i think those sales alone will be a definitive answer to which console has the best sales and unfortunately ill admit it will definately be thr PS4

I'd imagine they'd have at LEAST 1 million ready for the Japan launch, if not 2. I've got to hand it to them, they saw where they were strong, and held off to push more growth to the places they aren't as dominant in. Microsoft did the opposite, pushing to where they were strong first and worrying about the rest later.

I don't think the US was a really big worry for either console since they were split before. Considering the big picture of it all, I think Sony played it smart this time around. We'll see though~

JVillanueva said,

As someone who has owned no less than 8 Xbox 360 consoles in less than 7 years (originally bought one for Halo 3) I can't help but laugh at anyone who uses the term build quality and Xbox in the same sentence. Microsoft's build quality is absolutely horrific. This is not exclusive to myself either, I've had friends, family, and roommates go through the same problems too. Given their reputation for making their consoles as cheaply as possible I'm avoiding all future Microsoft consoles like the plague.

On the contrary, I've owned one PS3 since 2006 and it still works to this day. It's also worth noting that I've used it on an almost daily basis for gaming, watching movies/netflix, streaming video from PC, etc.

That's luck of the draw when it came to build quality. In the end it all comes down to personal experience. The few who have a bad experience will be louder than the many with good experiences regardless of the platform or product.

Save for my original XBox 360 I never had to have any of them replaced. The first wave of the units had significant ones and I count myself lucky that I only had lockups. I got it replaced and it survived several years of abuse. The units were only replaced if I was looking to get an updated unit (first one was when HDMI was added then later when they made the unit a little smaller and black... Not the elite). I've also owned a few others so I actually had multiple units. I think I managed to break 2 but not due to the system but rather myself trying to modify the console.

On the other side I've seen plenty of PS3s fail. Ugh... the infamous Yellow light of Death. Also the horrors of dealing with Sony in the console side. I've personally never had to as the PS3 that I did own never died and was still kicking when I sold it. I sold it because I didn't play it enough.

shinji257 said,
That's luck of the draw when it came to build quality. In the end it all comes down to personal experience. The few who have a bad experience will be louder than the many with good experiences regardless of the platform or product.

I'd believe that if everyone I knew with a 360 didn't go through at least 3 on average. I got to hand it to Microsoft at least. They made a product good enough that people would continue buying them even after they broke.

Though, you'd think they'd have stomped Sony in sales at that rate.

stevan said,
They can't keep selling an inferior product for a higher price.

I hate going off topic but if its true samsung galaxy S5 will feature snapdragon 805 there brand new LPDDR4 3-4GB RAM and a 2560x1440 display (maybe not OLED might be manufacturing issues) and might even come in an aluminium shell for al th elitist phone junkies to immediately put a case on

The Iphone is an inferior product in every single way except its design... and its A7 chip is a joke... the nvidia tegra K1 pushes 4K games with on screen physics at 15 fps will its rubbish resolution of 1156x640 only mananges a pathetic 38 fps.

Talking about inferior products apple is the king of marketing rubbish and could sell ice to an eskimo

psionicinversion said,

I hate going off topic but if its true samsung galaxy S5 will feature snapdragon 805 there brand new LPDDR4 3-4GB RAM and a 2560x1440 display (maybe not OLED might be manufacturing issues) and might even come in an aluminium shell for al th elitist phone junkies to immediately put a case on

The Iphone is an inferior product in every single way except its design... and its A7 chip is a joke... the nvidia tegra K1 pushes 4K games with on screen physics at 15 fps will its rubbish resolution of 1156x640 only mananges a pathetic 38 fps.

Talking about inferior products apple is the king of marketing rubbish and could sell ice to an eskimo

This topic is about consoles. I believe in another thread you blamed me for getting banned. Maybe if you didn't go off topic you wouldn't get banned...

This is necessary. Most people are uninformed about the Xbox One, in fact, I was in Microcenter the other day and two people were talking about how they weren't going to get the Xbox One because of the DRM.

In order for people to at least consider buying the Xbox One (in their eyes an inferior product), is to see it is not more expensive than the seemingly superior product. Not choosing sides. It's just that Sony did a lot to get a good public reception when they had the chance.

yeah that is true, with all the bad press about its performance they do really but hard to see how there going trim it down, the only thing they can remove is the bluray drive then maybe take a loss on it. If they do take a loss on it they may as well of just slapped on a bigger GPU but then again bigger GPU requires more transistors making the die bigger, and its pretty big already so who knows

I think people need to realize is _every_ console has some form of DRM. It just varies. (Current XBox One vs PS4 listed below). Please be aware I'm not a fanboy of either console however I do have an XBox One at home. I know people with PS4 and think it is a great console. I only went with Microsoft because I already have 2+ years of Live paid and I don't want to waste it.

PS4:
It requires physical media if you make a retail purchase (yes... that's DRM. It's a control mechanism)
If you make a digital purchase that purchase is forever locked to your account. The number of systems is a little lax and I don't think it is console bound. (I don't remember the specific number)
You can only play games designated for your region. (It's there... I just don't think any of the publishers/developers use it on the Sony end... Don't know why that is when they took advantage of it on the Microsoft side -- Looking at you Japan)

XBox One:
It requires physical media if you make a retail purchase (yes... that's DRM. It's a control mechanism)
If you make a digital purchase that purchase is forever locked to your account however transferrable between consoles (limit once every 12 months)

Digital content license is checked one of 2 ways. Licensed console and licensed profile. If you are on the licensed console all profiles on said console can play the item at will. If you are on a different console but are logged into the licensed profile
you are able to play the game as well.

As of the XBox One there is no region check. All games are region free. Region check was removed when they pulled the DRM. Note that I don't believe they would of removed DRM in BluRay or DVD playback.

Note: XBox One is one of the few truly region free consoles (not including handhelds...) when it came to games. The Wii and Wii U are the only other ones I'm aware of at the moment. For prior Nintendo consoles they had a region check of some kind in place.

Do they really have the choice?

With devastating reports about the resolution and frame rate of upcoming games (like Tomb Raider DE), Microsoft is going to face an incredibly hard uphill battle : perception.

Their console is $100 more expensive than the more powerful competitor. And as of now, the Kinect proved a totally useless gimmick with the notable exception of speech recognition - which could have been done with much cheaper hardware.

Tomb raider wouldnt be a very good port. PS4's architecture is so similar to PC's that it wouldnt need much optimisation to run fairly well whereas the X1 would need alot more time than they probably would of prepared to give the guys who did it and the same is probable for the rest of the games out. Ive said before i think the xbox is in "beta" at the moe i dont think the drivers are upto much atm either, only way to truly see the full potential of the X1 is to wait maybe 3 years for game devs to get upto speed with it. If its still cant do the same stuff as the PS4 then you can probably claim its won the console war this time round.

Not sure how there going to make it $100 cheaper i think could be a combination of removal of the bluray drive and a triple play games bundle to equal maybe $100, downloadable of course unless, hmm nvm was going say USB drive with game installed but cant see em giving out a 64GB usb drive for each game on.

Theres no way they'll drop the kinect cus its fairly integral to the system and is one of its main features. Also if they dropped the kinect it'll basically prove to people that its some what a failure at least in launch.

I wonder if the main reason the first kinect did so well was becuase it arrived way after, people already bought the xbox there games and then wondered what else they could buy, hmm kinect. Kinect needed to be included for what they were trying achieve but like i said see how the X1 does in a few years time but for now the PS4 will keep the performance lead.... still extremely poor show for sony to even consider shipping only 4GB of ram for it. Would of crippled the whole system and it wouldnt be doing that well either

psionicinversion said,
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You act as if things will remain static for the PS4. Unfortunately that wont happen. The Xbox One is weaker hardware and will always be behind.

psionicinversion said,
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PS4 and Xbox One are (pretty much almost) identical architecture the One just has slightly lower specs.

That's terrible logic. Why would anyone spend more money on a beta product, when the main competitor's product is both cheaper and isn't still in beta.

With that logic you I should have bought a PS3 for $600, because in the end it was a great (better?) system, and not bought a 360, even though the 360 was the better system for the better part of the console cycle.

TheCyberKnight said,
Do they really have the choice?

With devastating reports about the resolution and frame rate of upcoming games (like Tomb Raider DE), Microsoft is going to face an incredibly hard uphill battle : perception.

Their console is $100 more expensive than the more powerful competitor. And as of now, the Kinect proved a totally useless gimmick with the notable exception of speech recognition - which could have been done with much cheaper hardware.

I am an xbox one owner, and would just like to pick up on your point regarding speech recognition

It doesn't work! at all.... xbox on....xbox on....xbox on....xbox ON....XBOX ON.....xbox on...ah thats it, got it

since I got my xbox, I've actually spent more time messing about with the remotes than I did before

turn xbox on
xbox, tv, amp powers on
tv, amp power off
grab remote, power tv and amp back on again

the better twin said,

You act as if things will remain static for the PS4. Unfortunately that wont happen. The Xbox One is weaker hardware and will always be behind.

It is not about how powerful the system is, it is about how you implement things and utilize it. Right now, Xbox One is under utilized for what it is capable off. Then again, what do you expect for a gaming console that is now considered an entertainment system.

You're making it sound like Xbox One will remain static as well. The performance issue will be dealt with software update.

I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this here, so I will mention it now. People complain about how much Xbox One cost. However, for the cost of a PS4, and all it can do it stream movies and play games, and compare it to an extra $100 for additional technology that can make your entertainment experience better ...yeah, I'll put my $100 on that. Granted, I have to go through the pain of being an early adopter, but in the long run, it will be well worth it.

glen8 said,

I am an xbox one owner, and would just like to pick up on your point regarding speech recognition

It doesn't work! at all.... xbox on....xbox on....xbox on....xbox ON....XBOX ON.....xbox on...ah thats it, got it

since I got my xbox, I've actually spent more time messing about with the remotes than I did before

turn xbox on
xbox, tv, amp powers on
tv, amp power off
grab remote, power tv and amp back on again

I don't get that third part. If that happens then there is something wrong with my setup and yes while "XBox On" doesn't work everytime it does work well enough. There have been a little speculation that the Kinect unit may go into a low power state hindering it's ability to hear voice commands since it works better when powered on however I don't have much issue. Most of the time it does work on the first try for me. Also I never get that third part... It just all comes on...

With that in mind if you want you can setup the console so it doesn't power on your tv and amp when you do the voice command...

Yah of course the PS4 will get better to. Mark Cerny toyed with the idea of 2 architectures, the one thats in the PS4 one and the one thats very similar in the X1 but he predicted it would take 3-4 years for the devs to get the most out of the X1 style stuff. There design idea, cus hes bin a game engine developer, producer and stuff, was to allow for good looking games now and other cool little things for dev to master later i.e. easy to use difficult to master. Whereas X1 is just plain difficult to master nothing really easy about it so dont count it out. Sure the chances are it will never be as powerful as the PS4 but i think it will run 1080p 60fps in the future, or maybe 900p 60 for those more graphically demanding games.

Btw not a MS fanboy havnt owned a console since N64 and dont ever plan on owning one again, just saying dont count it out just yet, there 8-10 years in these consoles so plenty of time yet

link8506 said,

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...are-sales-with-908000-units

what does make you think MS is in a desperate position?

obviously they have the choice to set the price they want for the xbox one, and they will still manage to sell a lot.

They are barely winning in their home market which isn't good. Even though at the end, the PS3 outsold the 360, it lost badly in the US. This time it isn't the case.

A ton of negative press towards the xbox, a $100 difference which for most people is huge isn't doing MS any favors. They really don't have a choice but to lower the price.

I say its beta becuase it should of bin released in 2014 not november so that was getting rushed (hardware wise its spot on to what they want its the software letting them down at the moe) then had to backtrack on DRM which ate into time as well, i know theres different teams but they still would of had to collaborate cus it was a core part of the system so prolly pushed it back even more. Kind of like BF4 getting rushed to market, full of bugs stuff not working then the mantle patch being pushed back by over a month becuase of all the bugs in the game. Thats happening to the X1 atm.

Give it 6 months i think theyll be on track also we can see how cortana is recieved on wp 8.1 (think it is) if its better than the speech recognition currently in the X1 it might get patched into it.

psionicinversion said,
Tomb raider wouldnt be a very good port. PS4's architecture is so similar to PC's that it wouldnt need much optimisation to run fairly well whereas the X1 would need alot more time than they probably would of prepared to give the guys who did it and the same is probable for the rest of the games out. Ive said before i think the xbox is in "beta" at the moe i dont think the drivers are upto much atm either, only way to truly see the full potential of the X1 is to wait maybe 3 years for game devs to get upto speed with it. If its still cant do the same stuff as the PS4 then you can probably claim its won the console war this time round.

Not sure how there going to make it $100 cheaper i think could be a combination of removal of the bluray drive and a triple play games bundle to equal maybe $100, downloadable of course unless, hmm nvm was going say USB drive with game installed but cant see em giving out a 64GB usb drive for each game on.

Theres no way they'll drop the kinect cus its fairly integral to the system and is one of its main features. Also if they dropped the kinect it'll basically prove to people that its some what a failure at least in launch.

I wonder if the main reason the first kinect did so well was becuase it arrived way after, people already bought the xbox there games and then wondered what else they could buy, hmm kinect. Kinect needed to be included for what they were trying achieve but like i said see how the X1 does in a few years time but for now the PS4 will keep the performance lead.... still extremely poor show for sony to even consider shipping only 4GB of ram for it. Would of crippled the whole system and it wouldnt be doing that well either


Dropping the Kinect would fragment the console. They can't do that... With that said, if they were planning all along for the XBox to do all these other things, they should have made sure it had power to spare...

stevan said,

They are barely winning in their home market which isn't good.

so it's good for apple to sell sightly more iPhones than android in their home country, but bad for MS to sell more xbox one than ps4 in the USA?

Go figure...

Even though at the end, the PS3 outsold the 360, it lost badly in the US. This time it isn't the case.

yeah, right:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...llion-selling_game_consoles

lifetime sales:
xbox 360: 82.9millions
ps3: 80millions

link8506 said,

so it's good for apple to sell sightly more iPhones than android in their home country, but bad for MS to sell more xbox one than ps4 in the USA?

Go figure...

Apple (1 Manufacturer) sells slightly more smartphones than Android (many manufacturers) in the US. That's a HUGE victory.

But once again, what does this have to do with Smartphones? We are talking about consoles, please stay on topic, moderators have already deleted our replies.

stevan said,

Look at the sources under the sales. Sony sales are missing a whole quarter, Microsofts are up to date (January 23rd, 2014). Sony's were reported last November.

Again, nice try...

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...are-sales-with-908000-units

considering that Microsoft sold more xbox 360 than ps3 during the holidays in the USA, the reality is very different than what you were claiming earlier:

"Even though at the end, the PS3 outsold the 360, it lost badly in the US".

now if you have more up to date numbers for worldwide lifetime ps3 sales, you should have provided them before claiming out of nowhere that the xbox 360 lost badly.

link8506 said,

http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...are-sales-with-908000-units

considering that Microsoft sold more xbox 360 than ps3 during the holidays in the USA, the reality is very different than what you were claiming earlier:

"Even though at the end, the PS3 outsold the 360, it lost badly in the US".

now if you have more up to date numbers for worldwide lifetime ps3 sales, you should have provided them before claiming out of nowhere that the xbox 360 lost badly.

Microsoft always outsold the Ps3 in the US. Not sure why you're bringing that up. But worldwide it's a different story. The point is that Microsoft to-date sales are as of January 23rd this year and Sony's are as of November last year. And the difference is around a couple million. So doesn't take a genius to read between the lines.

And please, show me where I claimed that "the xbox 360 lost badly"...

stevan said,

Apple (1 Manufacturer) sells slightly more smartphones than Android (many manufacturers) in the US. That's a HUGE victory.

the only reason apple manages that is because people think the iphone costs only $199 in the US, thanks to the subsidies scam.

in countries such as France where people have the choice to get low cost unlimited voice+data plans for $35/month without device subsidies, people buy a lot less iPhones than in the US.

market share for iphone have been dropping considerably under 20% in most countries, and windows phone is now managing to sell more devices than the iphone in several rich European market.

for the Xbox One, there is no subsidies, as opposite to the iphone.

so people who purchase an xbox one or ps4 pay the full price for the device.

yet the xbox one managed to sell more than the ps4 despite the higher price in the US.

now imagine if there was no subsidies for smartphones. Would you think a $700 iphone would have any chance to have a significant market share?

so MS pursues the same high end strategy as apple does. However on the console market, higher costs are not hidden to the consumer through subsidies, which confirms the merits of the xbox one success in the US.

link8506 said,

the only reason apple manages that is because people think the iphone costs only $199 in the US, thanks to the subsidies scam.

in countries such as France where people have the choice to get low cost unlimited voice+data plans for $35/month without device subsidies, people buy a lot less iPhones than in the US.

market share for iphone have been dropping considerably under 20% in most countries, and windows phone is now managing to sell more devices than the iphone in several rich European market.

for the Xbox One, there is no subsidies, as opposite to the iphone.

so people who purchase an xbox one or ps4 pay the full price for the device.

yet the xbox one managed to sell more than the ps4 despite the higher price in the US.

now imagine if there was no subsidies for smartphones. Would you think a $700 iphone would have any chance to have a significant market share?

so MS pursues the same high end strategy as apple does. However on the console market, higher costs are not hidden to the consumer through subsidies, which confirms the merits of the xbox one success in the US.

I don't think you understand the subsidy market. It is there so that the cost of the device can be spread over the life of the contract. Are Samsung's, or Lg's or Sony's phones also not subsidized? Are WP phones not subsidized? Talk about a double standard. Look at the areas where android and WP sell more than iPhone. It's all low end devices.

Why do you continuously keep bringing smartphones up?

The Xbox One outsold Ps4 in it's HOME market but not by much. If Microsoft wants to sell more worldwide consoles it needs to kick sony's ass in it's home market. But that wasn't the case. And since Xbox is basically non existent in Sony's home market we all know how this is going to turn out.

So yes, Apple outselling all android devices, which are also subsidized in the US is a huge victory. And sony barely being outsold by Xbox in the states is also a victory for Sony. Go look at the sales in the UK where sony is outselling the xbox 1.5 to 1.

Microsoft might pursue the high end strategy like Apple, but you're forgetting one important factor. There are nowhere near enough profits in the console market. So Microsoft needs huge sales to make money, which it isn't going to get. Whereas apple can have a lower global market than android yet still have more profits. This has ALWAYS been the case.

I hope you get it now.

stop with the iPhone bul crap its not even relevant to thje thread but to be burtally honest about the iphone the only reason why it does so well in perofrmacnce tests is because of its rubbish 1156x 640 screen, ity doesnt even have to work hard to push theboundaried yet the nvidia Tegra K1 is pushing onscreen 4K resolution physics in games at 15 fps. im sory but the iphone isnt amazing sio get out the way and discuss what the topic is all about and tbh without dropping the kinct theyd be taking a loss

psionicinversion said,
stop with the iPhone bul crap its not even relevant to thje thread but to be burtally honest about the iphone the only reason why it does so well in perofrmacnce tests is because of its rubbish 1156x 640 screen, ity doesnt even have to work hard to push theboundaried yet the nvidia Tegra K1 is pushing onscreen 4K resolution physics in games at 15 fps. im sory but the iphone isnt amazing sio get out the way and discuss what the topic is all about and tbh without dropping the kinct theyd be taking a loss

Umm, the performance tests on smartphones are done offscreen. Google it.

psionicinversion said,
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Let's be honest though, at the screen sizes on phones telling the difference between 720 and 1080 isn't really possible unless you hold the phone a few inches from your face. Most people game on large TVs and monitors with 1080 resolutions so it is crazy to start saying the quality difference on a phone screen really matters.

glen8 said,

I am an xbox one owner, and would just like to pick up on your point regarding speech recognition

It doesn't work! at all.... xbox on....xbox on....xbox on....xbox ON....XBOX ON.....xbox on...ah thats it, got it

since I got my xbox, I've actually spent more time messing about with the remotes than I did before

turn xbox on
xbox, tv, amp powers on
tv, amp power off
grab remote, power tv and amp back on again

I'm an XB1 owner also, and I can say I rarely to never have to repeat "Xbox On" on my console, I do sometimes, because I get ambitious and try saying it from another room or something. But when I am standing in the room with it, it works everytime.

I think guys like you are in the minority when it comes to this command. (possibly has something to do with you voice, accent, or enunciation.)

I will also add that I bought a PS4 the first week of January and I am still waiting to buy my first game. Don't know what to get, not sure if I want Killzone, (probably wait for the price of it to hit 39.99) and don't want anything else that is currently available or already have it on the XB1.

I am an early adopter or both systems so I'll just have to wait it out. As for the 720p 60 vs 1080p 60 debate, that's really not that important to me. If the game is beautiful and plays smoothly, hell it can be at 480p for all I care.

Some people make too big a deal about things, that truly aren't really all that relevant.

glen8 said,

I am an xbox one owner, and would just like to pick up on your point regarding speech recognition

It doesn't work! at all.... xbox on....xbox on....xbox on....xbox ON....XBOX ON.....xbox on...ah thats it, got it

since I got my xbox, I've actually spent more time messing about with the remotes than I did before

turn xbox on
xbox, tv, amp powers on
tv, amp power off
grab remote, power tv and amp back on again


It always works for me. Don't spread FUD like facts.