Microsoft sees Kinect embedded in future PCs and phones

Microsoft's success so far with the Kinect motion sensing controller-camera for the Xbox 360 could be expanded into even more hardware. ZDNet reports that during this week's Microsoft Research Faculty Summit, the company's Chief Research and Strategy Officer Craig Mundie said that he sees a day in the future where both PCs and also mobile phones could have Kinect-based cameras built inside them. His comments can be found in full in a transcript on Microsoft's press site.

The uses of Kinect beyond gaming could include improved types of video conferencing. Mundie states upcoming launch of the Avatar Kinect feature for the Xbox 360 is an example of that kind of feature business could use. He says, " ... what’s interesting about it is that, while it’s just more traditional videoconferencing, the camera tracks you as you move around. So, you’re now sitting some significant distance away from the screen. So,many of the problems that you have with traditional sort of PC-based videoconferencing, where when you’re so close the angular displacement of the camera from where your gaze is gives you that very weird sensation. When you’re far back, that angle becomes just a couple of degrees, and the gaze problem is sort of automatically corrected.”

More still needs to be done for more businesses to accept that kind of video conferences, according to Mundie; that includes making the Kinect avatars look more realistic. He added, "I could dream about a day where anywhere today that you have a camera, which is the back of your cell phone, or the bezel of your laptop, there’s no reason to think that over time that camera shouldn’t be this kind of camera."

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Kinect will be integrated into the top line laptops instead of Webcams for the high end release strategy of Windows 8. How else do you think they are planning on winning over the crowd with their new GUI?! ;D

All about voice reg and hand movements. : P ;D

OMG I would buy a Kinect phone tomorrow! Except I don't want it the back... do The same thing you're envisioning for laptops and put it in the front Bezel

I don't know patent laws etc but surely you should only be allowed to patent something that you can actually produce or prove is possible given the finance?

Orange Battery said,
I don't know patent laws etc but surely you should only be allowed to patent something that you can actually produce or prove is possible given the finance?

Wrong article man, you want to go one down

I want to do various hand gestures/gang signs to enter formulas into Excel. That would be an entertaining way to get work done in the office.

I have a feeling that the Kinect is going to die off a lot faster than they think or realize

I just don't see any PRACTICAL uses for it, yes it has its advantages but sully relying on it like they have been so far is very impractical

Brando212 said,
I have a feeling that the Kinect is going to die off a lot faster than they think or realize

I just don't see any PRACTICAL uses for it, yes it has its advantages but sully relying on it like they have been so far is very impractical

It seems like they are trying to take the Wii young crowd with it. I don't see it going anywhere on consoles any time soon, that us mature gamers would want to use it.
On a PC, with the right mods, it can be amazing, but again, requires a lot of getting to know and understand crap that I don't have the time for anymore as well.
I think next gen, if the power under the consoles is better, will be better for it. But as is, nothing interesting is coming from it for us over 20+.

shakey said,

It seems like they are trying to take the Wii young crowd with it. I don't see it going anywhere on consoles any time soon, that us mature gamers would want to use it.
On a PC, with the right mods, it can be amazing, but again, requires a lot of getting to know and understand crap that I don't have the time for anymore as well.
I think next gen, if the power under the consoles is better, will be better for it. But as is, nothing interesting is coming from it for us over 20+.

Speak for yourself, but I am excited for the voice commands in games, such as ME3. Games are getting more complex, but we are not adding buttons to our controllers. One way to solve the increase in complexity is menus, another is voice commands, or even hand commands

Brando212 said,
I just don't see any PRACTICAL uses for it

So, you haven't seen the video of the surgeons manipulating the PC with their reference imaging without touching it. As a result, they're able to remain sterile, instead of having to scrub all over again.

smot said,

So, you haven't seen the video of the surgeons manipulating the PC with their reference imaging without touching it. As a result, they're able to remain sterile, instead of having to scrub all over again.

Easier to just get someone else to use the PC isnt it?

Brando212 said,
I have a feeling that the Kinect is going to die off a lot faster than they think or realize

I just don't see any PRACTICAL uses for it, yes it has its advantages but sully relying on it like they have been so far is very impractical

You are so very right! It's the fastest selling gadget of ALL time, but that doesn't matter. /s

And 'they' don't think it will die at all, hence the title of this news.

Brando212 said,
I have a feeling that the Kinect is going to die off a lot faster than they think or realize

I just don't see any PRACTICAL uses for it, yes it has its advantages but sully relying on it like they have been so far is very impractical

Really? I can see it being used for presentations and stuff like that. Imagine not having to hold a controller or muse while doing a presentation. just waving your arm to change the slide, or start a video.

I can also see uses for it in virtual caves...

Yeahhh... you must be at least 8 feet away from your phone and in proper lighting... I think it has a long way to go before it is useful in a phone.
Why would I want some fake avatar doing my face and whatnot, when it could easily just have my real face on it?
I think if they could get the voice recognition part to be better in the phones like it is on Kinect, that would be a major leap forward though.

shakey said,
Yeahhh... you must be at least 8 feet away from your phone and in proper lighting... I think it has a long way to go before it is useful in a phone.
Why would I want some fake avatar doing my face and whatnot, when it could easily just have my real face on it?
I think if they could get the voice recognition part to be better in the phones like it is on Kinect, that would be a major leap forward though.

you need to open your mind about the possibilities.. That is like when people first talked about a camera first being on a phone: "well do i need to put in more film?"

In a phone it could be as simple as projecting a 3D image of your face to someone that is using a glasses free 3D phone.. Or using Kinect sensors to look around you and do visual search in bing using alot more data then just some image but a 3D image that also has other kinect data..

In computers it could be a simple as logging you in from your face or pre-waking/turning on your computer when you sitdown at your desk so if you want to log in it would only take a few seconds instead of doing a complete cold boot. If you have a computer attached to a TV their are endless possibilites that we are already seeing..

Why would anyone think its a stupid idea.. We go and praise apple for putting a 0.3 Megapixel camera on a Ipad because you can voice chat but when we talk about adding muliple cameras with infrared sensors and microphones that can pinpoint your location it not realistic?!? Come on

Lachlan said,

In computers it could be a simple as logging you in from your face or pre-waking/turning on your computer when you sitdown at your desk so if you want to log in it would only take a few seconds instead of doing a complete cold boot.

Good evening Dave...

Lachlan said,

you need to open your mind about the possibilities.. That is like when people first talked about a camera first being on a phone: "well do i need to put in more film?"

In a phone it could be as simple as projecting a 3D image of your face to someone that is using a glasses free 3D phone.. Or using Kinect sensors to look around you and do visual search in bing using alot more data then just some image but a 3D image that also has other kinect data..

In computers it could be a simple as logging you in from your face or pre-waking/turning on your computer when you sitdown at your desk so if you want to log in it would only take a few seconds instead of doing a complete cold boot. If you have a computer attached to a TV their are endless possibilites that we are already seeing..

Why would anyone think its a stupid idea.. We go and praise apple for putting a 0.3 Megapixel camera on a Ipad because you can voice chat but when we talk about adding muliple cameras with infrared sensors and microphones that can pinpoint your location it not realistic?!? Come on

Coming from what I've seen of kinect, not going to happen, especially on phones that aren't as powerful as the consoles. I work with what is out now. I've heard way to much "what ifs" that haven't come true. So I like to base my information on what is known now. If I see something different that disproves my theory, I will change. But until then, I like to go with what I know to be true of the technology at the moment.

shakey said,

Coming from what I've seen of kinect, not going to happen, especially on phones that aren't as powerful as the consoles. I work with what is out now. I've heard way to much "what ifs" that haven't come true. So I like to base my information on what is known now. If I see something different that disproves my theory, I will change. But until then, I like to go with what I know to be true of the technology at the moment.

As Lachlan said above, you need to open your mind about the possibilities of the future.

This is not about what we have now, but it's about what we will have in the future. Phones will one day become as powerful as PCs and consoles.

shakey said,
Yeahhh... you must be at least 8 feet away from your phone and in proper lighting... I think it has a long way to go before it is useful in a phone.
Why would I want some fake avatar doing my face and whatnot, when it could easily just have my real face on it?
I think if they could get the voice recognition part to be better in the phones like it is on Kinect, that would be a major leap forward though.

You do realize that lighting is pretty much irrelevant to the Kinect, and only used for for the visual camera, for like Chatting.

It uses its own Infrared lighting and a specific camera for all the tracking. And I think even a phone could handle shooting some infrared light at the user fairly easily.

Besides, you do realize it the change in interaction concepts the Kinect introduced, not just the specific way it works? So using a regular camera with a gyro in a phone could be used to apply a lot of new interaction concepts based on Kinect ideas.