Microsoft takes Motorola and Google to court in Germany ... again

Earlier this week, Motorola Mobility removed nearly all of its Android devices from store shelves in Germany, due to the hardware subsidiary of Google losing in its court battles with both Microsoft and Apple in patent disputes. That apparently isn't going to stop Microsoft from taking Motorola to court again in Germany, this time as a way to go after Google Maps.

Computerworld.com reports that Microsoft's newest legal battle with Motorola, and thus with Google, concerns a mapping patent that Microsoft has held for a while. The patent concerns combining two sets of information from two different databases (the actual map data and related data).

Microsoft claims that Google Maps infringes on this patent and the company is using a lawsuit against Motorola, which uses Google Maps with its Android phones, as its excuse to go after Google Maps for this alleged infringement. The actual court case began today in the regional court of Munich, Germany with two hearings.

Motorola has already said it plans to concentrate less on its mobile phone operations in Europe. Earlier this week, it sent out a statement admitting that it has " ... phased out some of our lower tier devices in Europe/Germany."

Source: Computerworld.com | Image via Motorola

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Look at all the business executives here. You think the media knows the real story behind Google buying Motorola? Of course not.

So Motorola and Google, how did poking the sleeping bear work out for you?

Going after the Xbox with (even illegal claims) about MPEG4 and WiFi helped you exactly how?

The Motorola lawyers have seen the Microsoft patent suitcase, or part of it, and they know this is just another round of warning shots. Curious if they will stop poking the bear before it kills them instead of just eating the arm with the stick in it.

simplezz said,
I'm waiting for Windows and Xbox to be banned in Germany

Yep, Microsoft certainly doesn't hold any of the patents for those products... Lol

M_Lyons10 said,

Yep, Microsoft certainly doesn't hold any of the patents for those products... Lol

The court has already found those products to be infringing Motorola's patents. The only reason they aren't already banned is because of Microsoft's us injunction, which will likely be overturned any day now.

simplezz said,

The court has already found those products to be infringing Motorola's patents. The only reason they aren't already banned is because of Microsoft's us injunction, which will likely be overturned any day now.


False.

They are scheduled to go to trial in November, and Motorola Mobility will likely lose the case because its fairly obvious to even the most casual observer that Moto is in breach of extending Standard Essential Patents on FRAND terms. They cannot exclude Microsoft from obtaining the same license that Moto has promised to extend to everyone else, yet that is exactly what they are trying to do.

The patents in the German case are also SEP, which is why the US Courts correctly are blocking Moto from enforcing. Not to mention Moto is under investigation by the EU for this practice.

MS haters need to take the blinders off for just a moment and realize that if Moto were to (unlikely) win, it will be a huge blow to the entire industry. That would make the current patent cases look like simple play time.

simplezz said,
I'm waiting for Windows and Xbox to be banned in Germany

You do realize that that won't happen, right?
A us judge has already blocked it from happening.

simplezz said,
I'm waiting for Windows and Xbox to be banned in Germany

To uphold the prior rulings, Google would have to give up their MPEG 'licensee' rights not that they are both, as Motorola is the 'licensor'.

So for the Xbox to get banned in Germany, Google would have to cripple their access to video codec licenses that THEY NEED, even need for WebM/VP8.

And that is the non-court aspect of the case as the MPEG group can't let Google be on both sides of the licensing and control pricing as they are trying to do with the Xbox, especially retroactively.

Google and Motorola are going to get Motorola banned from shipping phones anywhere if they keep poking Microsoft. It could even end up with Microsoft taking this to Google and Android, so that any future parties not already license for Microsoft patents cannot distribute Android whatsoever. This would shut down Android completely, as then Microsoft would let the licensing lapse on current Android providers that have licensed the patents from Microsoft. (I.E. It could get really freaking ugly)

siah1214 said,
How's that Motorola mobility acquisition working out for you, Google?

hows nokia working out for windows phone?
seriously google buying moto has nothing to do with whats going on here.

smooth3006 said,

seriously google buying moto has nothing to do with whats going on here.
Google buying Motorola Mobility was supposed to protect them from these kinds of battles and help get Apple and Microsoft to sign cross licensing agreements.

It really hasn't helped them much at all.

smooth3006 said,

hows nokia working out for windows phone?
seriously google buying moto has nothing to do with whats going on here.

"Google first announced the acquisition on its blog early this morning. On a call for investors, Larry Page, CEO of Google, stated that "Motorola has a strong patent portfolio, which will help protect Android."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...itself-from-patent-bullies/

Google purchased Moto with the expectation that Moto's patents would be strong enough to protect Android from litigation. Didn't happen. I'd say razzing Google is on-topic.

Figure 8 Dash said,

"Google first announced the acquisition on its blog early this morning. On a call for investors, Larry Page, CEO of Google, stated that "Motorola has a strong patent portfolio, which will help protect Android."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...itself-from-patent-bullies/

Google purchased Moto with the expectation that Moto's patents would be strong enough to protect Android from litigation. Didn't happen. I'd say razzing Google is on-topic.


Yep. It still amazes me that that fueled their purchase of Moto...

smooth3006 said,

hows nokia working out for windows phone?
seriously google buying moto has nothing to do with whats going on here.


um, because google are attached to motorola now??
and as for nokia, they make some very excellent hardware and windows-specific apps for windows phone 7.5/7.8/8 os.

Say what? Microsoft has a patent on combining data from 2 different databases? That is a basic business computing/programming function. What idiot granted that patent? It'll be tossed out of court in a heartbeat. Next thing the inventors of computer programming languages will be suing people who write programs!

aviator189 said,

um, because google are attached to motorola now??
and as for nokia, they make some very excellent hardware and windows-specific apps for windows phone 7.5/7.8/8 os.

Except those apps like Viber are exclusive to Nokia anyway and not Windows Phone specific. So really it should be Nokia Windows Phone 8 instead.