Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive

If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was there was no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many online petitions, but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints" and the rest of us simply consider them silly.

Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).

If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a majority of Neowin's visitors:

  • United States: (866) 234-6020
  • United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
  • Canada: (800) 936-8479
If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site, choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.

Report a problem with article
Previous Story

Dell Post Strong Q1 Profit Results

Next Story

BurnAware Professional 2.0

134 Comments

Commenting is disabled on this article.

If the software companies created their software according to the parameters MS sets for compatibility the programs would work. Vista is a good OS. XP needs to die off... slowly (I have it on one computer still) .... but come on we don't have 2000 selling still do we?

(chooser said @ #48)
If the software companies created their software according to the parameters MS sets for compatibility the programs would work. Vista is a good OS. XP needs to die off... slowly (I have it on one computer still) .... but come on we don't have 2000 selling still do we?

Windows 2000 stopped selling in 2005, 4 years after the release of xp. why should xp be killed off the year after vista's release.

(thealexweb said @ #48.1)
Windows 2000 stopped selling in 2005, 4 years after the release of xp. why should xp be killed off the year after vista's release.

Well, one of the factors is that Vista's released way too late. But really, what's this talk of xp getting killed? I thought we all are clear with the fact that there will still be support and patches for for a couple or two of years more?

I'm quite worried though, about vendors not being able to produce lightweight notebooks which don't have what it takes to run Vista. Maybe these people should consider Windows CE/Mobile if they still want to stick with Microsoft?

Wow. Just the extend the people would go to protect Vista we have user in here writing a long ass essay why vista such a kick ass OS(huh uh). While some the user write lesser paragraph hating vista.

this thread is funny keeping me away from boredom.. keep coming Vista Protectors.

OK, honestly, if you want windows xp buy it now before they ****ing stop selling it. now for me, I have 3 retail copies of xp in case I when I buy a new computer after microsoft stops selling xp that I can put xp on that computer. I would suggest if you are so in love with xp this much you do the same.

PS, I have a good number of xp and vista computers here at home as well as at my job so I am not particularly a fan of either one of these versions. If i had to say I was a fan of one version of windows I would honestly have to say it would be windows 2000.

M$ fanboys, no amount of facts will ever make them see the light when it comes to vi$ta.

Hey fanboys, why can't your beloved vi$ta auto fix a corrupt boot record? with XP it's easy, with vi$ta it's a whole lot more work, your vi$ta DVD rarely fixes it on its own, for such an allegedly superior os you would think vi$ta wouldn't have any problems with something that was so simple to repair in XP.


Do some research - your ignorance is showing. Vista's version of the recovery console has all of the same functionality - including commands - as XP's recovery console. A small few have been renamed. These are: BootCfg, FixBoot, FixMBR, and MAP. As you can't be bothered to look this simple information up before posting I can't be bothered to tell you what they have been renamed to. If your interested then try a question mark in the recovery environment (shows a list of commands) or look here: http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/

Here's what to do if you have any issue in loading up Vista (as long as the hardware works ok! :-)):

Boot into Vista installation DVD
Click Repair your computer
Click on Startup Repair
Startup Repair should now start diagnosing your system to identify the root cause of the failure. Once it has identified the root cause, it would automatically start repairing your computer. If you are curious to know what Startup Repair did, you can click on the details link and see which tests Startup Repair ran to diagnose the problem.

After Startup Repair has finished the repairs, click Finish to reboot your computer.

Note -- If your computer cannot boot into Vista even after repairs, then go back to System Recovery Options and run System Restore.


AdditionRepairing your computer: To repair your computer using Startup Repair follow these steps:

Boot into Vista installation DVD
Choose your language settings and click Next
Click Repair your computer
Choose your operating system and click Next. This should bring up System Recovery Options.
Click on Startup Repair
Startup Repair should now start diagnosing your system to identify the root cause of the failure. Once it has identified the root cause, it would automatically start repairing your computer. If you are curious to know what Startup Repair did, you can click on the details link and see which tests Startup Repair ran to diagnose the problem.

After Startup Repair has finished the repairs, click Finish to reboot your computer.

Your computer should now be able to boot normally into Vista!!

Note -- If your computer cannot boot into Vista even after repairs, then go back to System Recovery Options and run System Restore.

That's it! This is how you use Startup Repair for most unbootable situations.

In addition to the new automated method, you can access the replacement for Windows XP Recovery Console.
The "vi$sta DVD" - also known to the professionals around here as the Windows Vista Recovery Environment (or Vista RE)is a direct replacement to Recovery Console on XP. As with XP, you can install "Vista RE" to use in the future, or just use your original installation media - as with XP.

The automatic tool runs through a number of checks to try to repair the system without needing to get your hands dirty. CheckDsk, FixBoot, FixMBR and other favourites are all there if the automatic tool cannot fix it for you - although the tools does those three automatically anyway.
The replacement for the XP Recovery Console itself not only gives your all the options that you had in Recovery Console (inluding writing a new MBR, checking the disk and fixing the boot loader as well as replacing files), but also gives you the ability to load up RegEdit and modify services in a GUI.

If you care to explain your way out of your own arogance and elaborate on why you think Vista - that has ALL the pre-boot diag tools XP had of Recovery Console, LKGC, Logging and Safe Mode as well as a lot more - is worse at repairing a corrupt boot record than XP?

Ignorance is not an excuse to start spouting rubbish about a product you obviously haven't even used.

(stevehoot said @ #44.1)
Do some research - your ignorance is showing.

Wrong fanboy, it simply doesn't work as you say, vi$ta doesn't fix everything it says it will fix no matter how well you follow directions.

You fanboys are too funny, I suppose you thought the system restore in ME worked fine too, I wouldn't be surprised...

(James Riske said @ #44.2)

Wrong fanboy, it simply doesn't work as you say, vi$ta doesn't fix everything it says it will fix no matter how well you follow directions.

You fanboys are too funny, I suppose you thought the system restore in ME worked fine too, I wouldn't be surprised...

Um, yeah - it does. My HD is crap and it keeps going all the time. Done it about half a dozen times now I'd guess. In fact even after googling it I can't find anyone else with the same problem. Well done - you must have found a bug that nobody else has ever discovered! Congratulations....!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q...d+bug&meta=


Anyway, someone with the maturity to give such a detailed & technical reply, use their own name for their posts on the internet and spells anything Microsoft related with a $ must surely be able to follow simple instructions. There's no chance that you could have just done it wrong hey James....? :cheeky:

(James Riske said @ #44.2)

Wrong fanboy, it simply doesn't work as you say, vi$ta doesn't fix everything it says it will fix no matter how well you follow directions.

You fanboys are too funny, I suppose you thought the system restore in ME worked fine too, I wouldn't be surprised...

In a valid argument both sides need to provide facts with citations. Bashing someone fanboy simply does not make you look better and correct.

(noPCtoday said @ #44.4)

In a valid argument both sides need to provide facts with citations. Bashing someone fanboy simply does not make you look better and correct.

If fanboys don't like being called fanboys then perhaps they should stop being fanboys.

XP does not need to be kept.

XP was slated so much during its early years, and its going to happen again on the next OS and we'll have the same post saying lets keep vista.

get over it.

According to customer support, you have to call the Corporate Offices to file this complaint: (425)-882-8080
Monday-Thursday 7:30am-5:30pm Pacific Time.

I will try calling Monday...Could be just another ploy to avoid the truth of Vista. 8(

Let it go. Just let it die in peace, for Christ's sake. These people whining for extended XP sales don't understand what an end to Microsoft's retail sales of XP actually means- very little!

"Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP"

So what? This has absolutely nothing to do with the retail life of Windows XP because obviously these people already have Windows XP.

That's being ridiculous.
Plug and Play support is a huge feature which those don't support.
People sticking with XP, disliking vista, aren't missing out on anything that beneficial.

There's a difference between not wanting to use a new operating system because you hate change and not wanting to use a new operating system because it's a piece of ****.

Windows Vista is the equivalence of Windows ME. Both were new versions, and both were riddled with problems, awkward to use, and full of annoyances that casual and professional users alike didn't care for. And much like the rabid Vista fanboys who's only argument is "zomgz, XP is 7 years old!," ME had its fanboys, too.

But ME still sucked. Just like Vista does.

If Microsoft itself didn't agree, they wouldn't even be offering up the option to have a petition to continue to support XP. They know they ****ed up with Vista and they're trying like hell to save face until they can get Windows 7 up and running.

Personally, I cannot -stand- the Vista interface, nor the fact that several games and applications fail to run properly and/or extremely slowly under it. I'm also far from a casual user who has no idea what I'm doing, so the tired old "zomgz, I r not haf ur problems u r stoopit I r smart lolzlolzlolz!" argument won't work with me. A few of said problems had workarounds that required hunting down additional drivers or updates, but that's just another nail in the coffin for Vista, not a reason why it's a superior operating system. If it were superior, it wouldn't require all the extra work just to perform basic tasks.

You can dismiss any argument you want but when you say Vista is equivalent to Windows ME your creditability hits the ground hard and fast.

Not that ME was a bad product - it ran without problems for me for years. And it wasn't hard to figure out either.

So, why can't you figure out Vista? You haven't given any reason other than a defensive rant.

For such a long post you haven't actually addressed a single issue from the "fanboys"

You fail to realise that unless some "Miracle" (in your eyes) happens then the same security architecture introduced in Vista will be applied to Windows 7. UAC, removal of undocumented API's and security best practice will be in Windows 7 with a 99.9% accuracy.

As with my previous posts, I have clearly stated a number of new features and improvements introduced with Vista. Nobody is saying that it's some amazing must-have OS. As much as I rate Vista I wouldn't recommend everyone goes out and buys a copy. If you have XP on a system that has been built in the last 3 years and if you go on the internet a lot then I would suggest spending £99 on Vista. If your a business with hardware in the last 3 years and have software assurance / Vista licences, again, I would recommend deployment.
But the flip side is that there is no big "killer-feature" in Vista for me to suggest that consumers and businesses alike should upgrade their hardware immediately and spend £1000's (for a company) to ugprade.

As you appear to be unable to work it out yourself allow me to help you. Your applications / games do not work under Vista as the developers have not written the application/game to documented best pratice as specified by Microsoft in 2001 on MSDN. Key fundementals such as test without requiring admin rights, don't use undocumented API's and use variables rather than hard-coded paths have been ignored. Microsoft have enforced these policies after 7 years of informing developers about them. These are not new to Vista, but just enforced under Vista. I cannot see Microsoft going back on this enforcement within Windows 7.

You have four choices:

  • You moan as loudly as you do about Vista to the developers of your applications/games about being so poorly written and hope they release a patch. Upgrade to Vista or to Windows 7 when released.
  • Stay on Windows XP until it becomes unfeasible to do so (another 3 - 5 years maybe). Then ditch your applications / games and use Windows Vista / Windows 7.
  • Ditch your games/applications now and find a suitable replacement for them that are coded correctly and work on Vista. Alternatively use Vista and run your applications/games under a VM.
  • Ditch your games/applications now and use a Mac or install Linux. It's likely that the applications/games are not on these other platforms, however there will probably be alternative applications that suite your needs.


Your post lacks content, and IMHO your manner appears to be that of someone who is unable to read others posts or unable to grap basic concepts. I suggest:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...essibility.mspx

Alternatively let me give you summary (as with most MS marketing, there's a lot of fluff to cut through):

  • Windows Media Centre
  • UAC - real security copied from *nix
  • DirectX 10
  • IE7+ Protected Mode (sandboxed)
  • SuperFetch
  • Lots of new GPO's
  • BitLocker
  • New Explorer
  • ReadyBoost
  • Aero
  • New networking stack with security location-based profiles
  • Fast user switching even on domains
  • Shadow Copy
  • DVD Writter
  • Instant Search
  • Parental Controls
  • Mobility Centre
  • New out/inbound firewall
  • Tablet PC support
  • Power management

I appreciate that not all of them are useful for you - but Vista wasn't designed for you - it was designed for the majority of people, and the majority will find at least some of the above new and/or improved features very useful. I can't imagine anyone who doesn't want better security on their desktop.

Kindly move on...

You know what's going to happen if not enough people call in and MS decide to go ahead with discontinuing XP, don't you?

People will just call foul and accuse MS of ignoring the "masses" of people who must have called.

i phoned. i would just like the choice. I find xp simple to use and in many cases my first choice. by stopping the sale of a working OS...well it does not make sense and stops me from choosing. I would never choose Home, in that case Vista is just fine. But that is clearly not the case with xp pro.

(alphamale said @ #34)
i phoned. i would just like the choice. I find xp simple to use and in many cases my first choice. by stopping the sale of a working OS...well it does not make sense and stops me from choosing. I would never choose Home, in that case Vista is just fine. But that is clearly not the case with xp pro.

Seriously dude - you want the choice?! YOU HAVE XP ALREADY!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT - YOU HAVE THE CHOICE!

Vista is just fine you say, but you prefer XP - that's fair enough and obviously it's subjective to a point. The issue is why on earth do you care that Microsoft will no longer be selling it? You already have it and Microsoft will be providing security updates for years to come.

So unless you contact Microsoft on a regular basis for technical support, there's no difference as:

  • You have the installation media
  • You have the licence key
  • Microsoft will keep on patching it

SO WHY DO YOU CARE THAT THEY HAVE STOPPED TECH SUPPORT?!

Humm this is getting annoying, why do people seem to think XP will just die and stop working here soo? We didn't hear this stuff from Win 95/98 users.... well ok there was a little from 98 but it was so faint nothing really happened

If anyone in the UK wants to phone Microsoft, you can use this number:

01480 433444

It's the geographical number for the premium one listed above, so it's a lot cheaper to call (probably free for a lot of you).

Heh, I was just going to remark on that point myself. They found a way of profiting from the XP refuseniks after all!

Nice going on finding the geo. number, I know how well-hidden these things can be (hiya Pipex).

Are the US and Canuck numbers premium as well?

It was just in the papers yesterday that Ofcom may bring in rules against companies using premium numbers for their support / complaints services. Some of the big boys rake in millions per year from these, frankly pretty obscene and a bit of a conflict of interest to boot. It's (to some extent) in their interest to take their sweet time leaving you on hold and failing to solve your problems. Why, a company that made software so crappy their phone never stopped ringing might even be accused of making it crappy on purpose! Oh, wait...

(Havin_it said @ #32.1)
Heh, I was just going to remark on that point myself. They found a way of profiting from the XP refuseniks after all!

Nice going on finding the geo. number, I know how well-hidden these things can be (hiya Pipex).

Are the US and Canuck numbers premium as well?

It was just in the papers yesterday that Ofcom may bring in rules against companies using premium numbers for their support / complaints services. Some of the big boys rake in millions per year from these, frankly pretty obscene and a bit of a conflict of interest to boot. It's (to some extent) in their interest to take their sweet time leaving you on hold and failing to solve your problems. Why, a company that made software so crappy their phone never stopped ringing might even be accused of making it crappy on purpose! Oh, wait...

I have absolutely no idea if the Canadian or US numbers are premium rate or not, but in case you're interested, I got that number from this site: http://www.saynoto0870.com/

It lists all known geographical and FREEPHONE numbers for 0870 numbers. Next time you need to phone British gas or whatever, check out this site to see if there's a cheap alternative number.
British gas is a great example, the number on that site takes you straight through to customer services, completely bypassing the automated system lol

You've got to be kidding, not this again..

*slaps forehead* I wish this would end so I can move on without hearing people bitch and moan about how horrible Windows Vista is.. Put it this way, you don't like it, kss my ass.

(Sevan said @ #31)
You've got to be kidding, not this again..

*slaps forehead* I wish this would end so I can move on without hearing people bitch and moan about how horrible Windows Vista is.. Put it this way, you don't like it, kss my ass.

Wish it would end huh? You think the flamers are the ones that keep this crap going? Nope, guys like you do. Stop responding to these kind of articles and it'll shrivel up in no time. All you people moan every time an article like this is pushed out, and of course always feel the need to voice your opinion about it. Voicing your opinion each and every time something like this comes out only fans the flame.

What the hell? Is Neowin really asking users to phone up Microsoft Support and whine about XP lifespan?

Surely you have got to be kidding me ... those support numbers are there for a reason. Also don't go mess up the statistics of the phone lines. Teams track the ACTUAL calls and users that request XP due to an error or problem that they are having...

This is a new low for Neowin....

(MMaster23 said @ #30)
What the hell? Is Neowin really asking users to phone up Microsoft Support and whine about XP lifespan?

Surely you have got to be kidding me ... those support numbers are there for a reason. Also don't go mess up the statistics of the phone lines. Teams track the ACTUAL calls and users that request XP due to an error or problem that they are having...

This is a new low for Neowin....

New low???
MS said they may extend the life of XP if they seen legit complaints and Neowin provides the method for users to have there complaints know to Super Steveo and you say that they are a new low... I see you have certs and all but think about the companies that do not want to move to vista just yet cause it will cost them lots of cash. Most recently GM said they will stay XP due to the cost of hardware upgrades it would cost them and for what benefit??? A real cool interface????? I run OSX, Vista, Svr 2008,Svr 2008, 2000, XP and Linux in my home network . Its al the matter of choice and if MS gives users a path to show their choice to me it shows they are listening.(potentially) Im happy that Neowin has given its users (and hopefully other forums( the path to voice their opinions. Not everyone can plunk out the cash for "Vista ready" upgrades. Two thumbs up for Neowin for reporting that users can voice their opinions and be heard. MS would not have provided the path for users to officially complain if there was not a reason to have it there. It seems to me that the unofficial petitions must have given MS a heads up that the world may not be totally on the Vista bandwagon just yet.

Don't criticize Neowin for providing the news, that is their purpose here, the personal views of XP, Vista, OSX, Linux, Rhubarb or Celery is all personal opinions (not news)

(Apple-a-Day said @ #30.1)

New low???
MS said they may extend the life of XP if they seen legit complaints and Neowin provides the method for users to have there complaints know to Super Steveo and you say that they are a new low... I see you have certs and all but think about the companies that do not want to move to vista just yet cause it will cost them lots of cash. Most recently GM said they will stay XP due to the cost of hardware upgrades it would cost them and for what benefit??? A real cool interface????? I run OSX, Vista, Svr 2008,Svr 2008, 2000, XP and Linux in my home network . Its al the matter of choice and if MS gives users a path to show their choice to me it shows they are listening.(potentially) Im happy that Neowin has given its users (and hopefully other forums( the path to voice their opinions. Not everyone can plunk out the cash for "Vista ready" upgrades. Two thumbs up for Neowin for reporting that users can voice their opinions and be heard. MS would not have provided the path for users to officially complain if there was not a reason to have it there. It seems to me that the unofficial petitions must have given MS a heads up that the world may not be totally on the Vista bandwagon just yet.

Don't criticize Neowin for providing the news, that is their purpose here, the personal views of XP, Vista, OSX, Linux, Rhubarb or Celery is all personal opinions (not news)

That wasn't my point ...

Microsoft said they would indeed extend XP lifetime.. which to some is a good thing because not everyone has such a tight upgrade-shedule to Vista and beyond...

HOWEVER .. Microsoft will choose to do so depending on NORMAL feedback from NORMAL support issues. Meaning they will track the actual day-to-day issues reported/supported by Microsoft Support and will consider prolonging XP if these NORMAL support complaints are a large enough number. DO NOT phone Microsoft Support just to tell them Vista sucks (in their opinion) and you want XP.

Neowin in encouraging people to do just that. Phoning Microsoft stating they want XP instead of Vista is:

- stupid, because your wasting the helpline's time
- unfair, as your as messing up the polling of the XP demand

Consider this ... say they handle a million calls.. and from those million REAL calls with real problems about 50.000 people say they want the life of XP extended...

Now Neowin comes along .. say about 10.000 to 20.000 should respond to this (if it was more spread across the internet), this would mean an increase the number of "please-prolong-xp-requests" by 20.000 making it 70.000.. that 40% more..

Normally you take these poll results with a grain of salt .. however if the polls are "messed up" with PERSONAL OPINIONS to about 40% .. the polls aren't objective anymore.

Microsoft choose this method of polling because it will represent a proportional view on how people think of vista and the day-to-day issues. If you mess up the proportional by 40%(!), you mess it up big time.

Why? Just because you don't like Vista and want to keep XP? That's so selfish. Just because you like XP more, shouldn't mean you get the right to mess it all up. Making the research/polling results invalid.

Also by messing it up like this, it WILL get noted in the end-report that people called just to say they want XP. Plus publicity in the media will only make the research number mean less and less and if you get the end report to say Microsoft should prolong XP life, they will take the report with a 40% grain of salt and just not take the endresult seriously. Wasting not only helpdesks time, managements time but also YOUR time...

Yes .. I like vista .. however that doesn't mean I want XP dead...

The thing is, people are going on about "saving XP", but what's to save? You have the media, you have the licence key.... so where's the problem? Security updates and other high priority stuff will still be produced for years to come. And seriously, how many non-business users of XP actually phone up MS for support anyway? So the lack of MS support is hardly a killer thing.

Plus, after reading all the comment on this thread the only negative seems to be that Vista doesn't offer much else over XP. That maybe the case, but your not losing out by going to Vista. If costs the same as XP (Retail, OEM & volume licence) so when you get a new machine, then use Vista - why the hell not?!

For the record, I am a big Vista fan. Started rolling it out December 2006 and never looked back. The security changes are a truly super change and personally I think justify the £99 upgrade cost alone. (That's without the media centre, intergrated search, IE7+ protected mode, DirectX10, new GPO's, new explorer shell, aero, SuperFetch, new networking stack, ReadyBoost, new diagnostic tools, event manager etc.)

Working in IT puts a constant demand on us all. We are all having to learn about new development frameworks (version, languages, best practices), hardware (graphics cards, incomprehensible Intel and AMD product codes) and software (new OS's, productivity suites, server-side apps) and even network (SAN's, Fibre, Virtualisation, IDS). IT is constantly changing, but looks where it's got us. Go back 15 years to 1993 - how many people had computers? How many homes had Windows for Workgroups / 3.11 running on their 486? Vista is an evolutionary upgrade with some under-the-hood revolutionary changes (in regards to Windows anyway). The fact that this release goes along with the *nix-like UAC security model is a good reason to suspect that Vista could be a big factor in reducing spam, botnets and viruses.

Yeah, it's something else to learn, and yeah XP works OK. But we didn't get where we are today by sitting down and thinking "you know what, MS-DOS 6.5 on my 386 does what I need - don't need any fancy "window" or anything." Vista has a number of enchacement and a few cool new features. Security alone should be a good enough reason for a business to deploy it (along with mobility, power, GPO's, BitLocker, imaging and diagnostics) and home consumers get media centre, DX10, intergrated search, security, an improved GUI, new Windows Mail/DVD Writer/Photo Gallery etc., and a more intuitive interface (wizards, help buit-into most panels etc.)

Nothing superb about Vista, but it's still an improvement over XP in terms of stability, reliability, integrated features and security. Just don't try to run it on a 6 year old laptop.

(stevehoot said @ #29)
The thing is, people are going on about "saving XP", but what's to save? You have the media, you have the licence key.... so where's the problem? Security updates and other high priority stuff will still be produced for years to come. And seriously, how many non-business users of XP actually phone up MS for support anyway? So the lack of MS support is hardly a killer thing.

Plus, after reading all the comment on this thread the only negative seems to be that Vista doesn't offer much else over XP. That maybe the case, but your not losing out by going to Vista. If costs the same as XP (Retail, OEM & volume licence) so when you get a new machine, then use Vista - why the hell not?!

For the record, I am a big Vista fan. Started rolling it out December 2006 and never looked back. The security changes are a truly super change and personally I think justify the £99 upgrade cost alone. (That's without the media centre, intergrated search, IE7+ protected mode, DirectX10, new GPO's, new explorer shell, aero, SuperFetch, new networking stack, ReadyBoost, new diagnostic tools, event manager etc.)

Working in IT puts a constant demand on us all. We are all having to learn about new development frameworks (version, languages, best practices), hardware (graphics cards, incomprehensible Intel and AMD product codes) and software (new OS's, productivity suites, server-side apps) and even network (SAN's, Fibre, Virtualisation, IDS). IT is constantly changing, but looks where it's got us. Go back 15 years to 1993 - how many people had computers? How many homes had Windows for Workgroups / 3.11 running on their 486? Vista is an evolutionary upgrade with some under-the-hood revolutionary changes (in regards to Windows anyway). The fact that this release goes along with the *nix-like UAC security model is a good reason to suspect that Vista could be a big factor in reducing spam, botnets and viruses.

Yeah, it's something else to learn, and yeah XP works OK. But we didn't get where we are today by sitting down and thinking "you know what, MS-DOS 6.5 on my 386 does what I need - don't need any fancy "window" or anything." Vista has a number of enchacement and a few cool new features. Security alone should be a good enough reason for a business to deploy it (along with mobility, power, GPO's, BitLocker, imaging and diagnostics) and home consumers get media centre, DX10, intergrated search, security, an improved GUI, new Windows Mail/DVD Writer/Photo Gallery etc., and a more intuitive interface (wizards, help buit-into most panels etc.)

Nothing superb about Vista, but it's still an improvement over XP in terms of stability, reliability, integrated features and security. Just don't try to run it on a 6 year old laptop.


Well said bro! I'm with you on this!

windows xp needs to be kept till windows 7 comes out, many companies are choosing to bypass vista altogether. I admit Vista has improved but not enough, it's still a terrible resource hog.

I think XP should be kept alive at least until Windows 7 goes gold, that way those who are having "issues" with Vista can wait until Windows 7. Personally, despite code redundancies and inconsistencies across Vista, it runs surprisingly well for me. That's just my take on the whole thing.

Good move by MS. They know, like all others know, millions will sit on forums whining about it, and a few self-important figures will blog about the injustice of it all.

However, ask them to get off their backsides and do something about it, and most will just look at you with a "it's not THAT important" look in their faces. After all, making that phone call doesn't get people to read their blog, or give them something to moan about in a forum.

Then, at the same time, MS get to look really customer-centric by "taking official petitions". You have to hand it to them sometimes...

Apple seems rather good at dragging people along their predefined upgrade path. Those who're against upgrading were never heard from again.

Microsoft should learn a little from Apple.

(mocax said @ #23)
Apple seems rather good at dragging people along their predefined upgrade path. Those who're against upgrading were never heard from again.

Microsoft should learn a little from Apple.

That's because if they don't want to upgrade, they're no longer customers and are ignored.

Very few people give a crap about whether you should be able to walk into PC World/Best Buy and buy an XP machine. These types of articles and moves by Microsoft are, in the main, aimed at the much more lucrative business market. We have trialled Vista in my company and actually come across very few problems however we have no problems with our current XP installed base.

The 'features' offered by Vista don't appeal to us and offer us next to nothing in terms of return on investment so why should we upgrade? We also don't want the added hassle of having to install an XP image on each machine we buy. We don't want to use Vista and being allowed to continue to buy XP preinstalled machines would be a real time and money saver for us.

I don't think XP should necessarily be saved - but that something needs to be done to improve Vista as I still think it's a poor product.

It is amazing that they set this hotline for people to call in if they want to "save XP". I think they are sticking with the deadline and will never hear those calls.

About the flaming war, can we just get along? Many of us use Vista and XP at the sane in different computers for for a number reasons. The only thing i can't pass on in my personal experience, uis that people are even saying the Vista will be as stable as XP in time.

For my experience, i know for sure that Vista is way more stable than XP since day 1. For starters, there is no more "cold boots" required.

For people that need or want XP, just buy them in advance.

Well if people still want to use xp well it's their decision, but from my point of view vista is superior, just don't try to run it with low low end hardware, 2gb ram and dual-core cpu is the min for it if you want a smooth ride.

ps: I'm a happy Vista x64 user ^^

(mundox said @ #19)
just don't try to run it with low low end hardware,

That's probably 90% of the PC used out there.

(mundox said @ #19)
2gb ram and dual-core cpu is the min for it if you want a smooth ride.

That's most people next PC.

Discontinuing XP will only encourage piracy of it for those who are willing to go the ultimate distance to get it... Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot by trying to force the consumer by the collar to use vista

(Rfire said @ #18)
Discontinuing XP will only encourage piracy of it for those who are willing to go the ultimate distance to get it... Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot by trying to force the consumer by the collar to use vista

I would sue microsoft if they were dragging me kicking and screaming to buy vista. With that said people have the choice and fair warning if they want xp buy your copies before june 30th 2008. So with that said, microsoft is NOT forcing anyone to do anything.

Realistically, Microsoft won't care for piracy of XP after June. They'll be riding on Vista. I don't encourage people to do this though.

(billyea said @ #18.2)
Realistically, Microsoft won't care for piracy of XP after June. They'll be riding on Vista. I don't encourage people to do this though.

That's a pretty stupid comment. Why wouldn't they care about people stealing their products just because they aren't available retail?

(billyea said @ #18.2)
Realistically, Microsoft won't care for piracy of XP after June. They'll be riding on Vista. I don't encourage people to do this though.

It will be available after June 30th: the full retail version or the upgrade. You can still buy a brand spanking new copy of Windows 2000 at full price.

What stop on June 30th is the sale of OEM and CAO license. Those license are bought by people like me who build computer and those license can only be sold with a new computer. Big company like Dell or Acer can still sell PC and Laptop with XP license until Dec 31st. I will be able to sell XP until whenever, because I have no contract with Microsoft.

Hence the announcement by Dell that they will continue to offer the upgrade option to XP Pro to client who buy a PC or Laptop with a license of Vista Business.

I buy most of my laptop from Acer, and I'm still able to order laptop with XP Pro and the one that come with Vista Business come automatically with the reinstallation disk for XP Pro.

Called this save xp line and told them that they should keep the deadline they have in place and the tech even agreed with me and logged the call. So all those that agree xp should die call, those that think xp should live, call..lets see which one microsoft does now with both sides calling in and having there calls logged.

more blah blah. just face the fact most the 150 mil sold vista license some of those customer downgrade to xp. like last night my friend bought hp dv6833 told me downgrade soon as we get home.. so just f$cking face it xp is old people prefer it and if they want to keep vista fine with me. im ready to please the user which ever os they want.

blah blah vista is advance blah blah xp is old is going stall technology advancement blah blah vista is the future. [sarcasm]heh there new version windows next years[sarcasm off].

just stfu with vista and xp wars.... damn. blah the end.

some one mention was pain the ass find some HP(vista) driver for xp . is total bs. there always someone in the internet has enough time to nicely pack you all windows xp drivers for hp desktop/laptop. other laptop/computer...

This is all pretty much waste of time.

1. It is not likely that Microsoft will extend the sales of Windows XP past the current deadline, no matter how many people call in.

2. Most vendors like HP, Acer, Dell, and Toshiba are building systems that don't have XP drivers for the hardware in the machines. One example is the HP a6330f that I was trying to downgrade for a customer of mine. It was such a pain in the butt to get the drivers, she just kept Vista.

3. The life cycle of Windows XP has come to it's end. Windows Vista is a decent if not very good bridge to Windows 7 to come a little over a year away. It is pretty stable as it is, and I would assume a few fixes here and there will make it just as stable, if not more so than Windows XP. Sure hardware requirements are a tad high, but don't you think Windows 7 will be the same?

4. Technology never goes forward with users looking to the past. To move forward changes have to be accepted and embraced. Microsoft can't hope or even try to please every computer user out there. It would be foolish. Just like supporting operating system where the life cycle has come and gone. Windows XP for all it's luster has similar problems when it came out and people cried for Windows 2000. Now that Vista is out, people are crying for Windows XP. When Windows 7 comes of age, people will cry for Vista. It is a never ending cycle of crying. Break the cycle, put away the kleenex, and move on.

Then again I like cutting edge technology and I hate regression....

(Somnus said @ #15)
This is all pretty much waste of time.

1. It is not likely that Microsoft will extend the sales of Windows XP past the current deadline, no matter how many people call in.

2. Most vendors like HP, Acer, Dell, and Toshiba are building systems that don't have XP drivers for the hardware

Just to **** on your parade, having recently spoken to our accounts manager at Dell, they have stated that they are going on supporting XP for desktops on the Vista downgrade scheme :P Though they no longer support Win2000 on their 2950 servers (they did 6 months ago)

(boho said @ #15.1)

Just to **** on your parade, having recently spoken to our accounts manager at Dell, they have stated that they are going on supporting XP for desktops on the Vista downgrade scheme :P Though they no longer support Win2000 on their 2950 servers (they did 6 months ago)

That is interesting.

I wish they would extend that downgrade scheme to the XPS laptops as I have 3 of them and for pure legacy support, I would like to have one with Windows XP. Problem is they are very new systems and there are no drivers for Windows XP.

In fact when I asked about a downgrade for one of them, a restore CD was offered for $380 CDN. When I stated I already owned several copies of Windows XP, they said the drivers were not being made available on the website and that purchasing the restore media was my only option.

I might have to call them back today and see if that has changed any in the past month.

Just to proove to all the nay sayers this same stuff being said about vista was said about windows xp, so give up all the arguments. If you like XP use that if you like vista use that if you do not like either don't use any of them. Below is a quote from a fellow neowin user that sums all this up nicely and prooves this whole argument is pointless.

Quote ( nl|nighthawk @ Nov 28 2002, 18:40)

Windows XP isnt exactly the most stable operating system since NT 4.0

I have had alot less problems with Windows 2000 Professional than I did Windows XP, Windows 2000 seems to have better memory management, doesn't crash as much, and doesn't carry mega-resource requirements.. Besides, its about $100-$150 cheaper..

If you had to get Windows XP, go with it.
If your looking for a good, stable Windows release, give Windows 2000 a try. If it don't work, try XP.

Thats my rant for tonite laugh.gif

(Xilo said @ #14.1)
Windows 2k is too ugly to use as a desktop system.

Do not blame me, the point to the above quote from someone else was to show that each and every microsoft release brings the bashers and the "save this os" groupies out in droves.

Hey, Windows 2000 Professional can be very solid as a small server OS... I've got a box with 132 days' uptime (with completely untested hardware too) which doesn't look like going down any time soon...

... but I get your point.

There not going to stop supporting XP until like 2012 or so. There are just going to stop selling retail copies of XP. There will still be security updates and fixes released. Dont really see what all the fuss is about.

But see, the great thing would be if, in the end, the number of call-ins is laughable. What do they call this sort of thing...vocal minority? Even when very few people actually want something, they're a very loud few, so it seems like much more of a ruckus than it really is?

So you've had an OS installed for a year and it 'sometimes' seems sluggish? YES - If I were you I'd jump on the 1-800-SAVE-WINXP hotline and beg them to extend their support so you can revert back to an OS that might seem a little snappier! Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?

(hotrod said @ #11.1)
So you've had an OS installed for a year and it 'sometimes' seems sluggish? YES - If I were you I'd jump on the 1-800-SAVE-WINXP hotline and beg them to extend their support so you can revert back to an OS that might seem a little snappier! Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?

I do a lot of photo editing. My desktop and laptop have almost the same specs (Core 2 Duo at 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, dedicated video card) only difference is that my Laptop has Vista and desktop has XP.

Things in photoshop are almost 2x as fast on my desktop as on my laptop.

(Brandon said @ #11.2)

I do a lot of photo editing. My desktop and laptop have almost the same specs (Core 2 Duo at 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, dedicated video card) only difference is that my Laptop has Vista and desktop has XP.

Things in photoshop are almost 2x as fast on my desktop as on my laptop.


never compare a laptop with a desktop. It's not all about the specs, even if you have the same spec, laptop has a lot of minimized hardwares. For example, 8800GT will not perform the same on desktop and laptop. After all, laptop is only for portability. A good comparison would be dual booting vista and xp and compare their speed. I'm not saying xp is bad, just want to make some corrections with your comparison.


BTW. I also heard windows 2000 is a great system. Almost have the same features as XP. Why not try it out?

(hotrod said @ #11.1)
Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?

For your info, XP (with all the eye candy and nonsense removed) is quicker than Win2000 - on similar hardware -even pentium 200 with 64 Mb RAM!

(boho said @ #11.4)

For your info, XP (with all the eye candy and nonsense removed) is quicker than Win2000 - on similar hardware -even pentium 200 with 64 Mb RAM!

[Citations needed]
I could say the same thing with Vista and XP.

This isn't getting old... it IS old. Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle. I, for one, am sick of seeing these "SAVE XP" articles every time I visit the site. Does this nonsense occur for every other operating system? Do you see "SAVE OS 10.2" articles cluttering up the web because someone was running 10.5 as soon as it RTM'd and it had issues? and do you see this nonsense continue even after OS 10.5.2 has been released and fixed the majority of the issues in the RTM?

Geezus folks! Man up and realize that your 'favorite', nearly 7 year old OS will have to die at some time...

(hotrod said @ #10.1)
This isn't getting old... it IS old. Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle. I, for one, am sick of seeing these "SAVE XP" articles every time I visit the site. Does this nonsense occur for every other operating system? Do you see "SAVE OS 10.2" articles cluttering up the web because someone was running 10.5 as soon as it RTM'd and it had issues? and do you see this nonsense continue even after OS 10.5.2 has been released and fixed the majority of the issues in the RTM?

Geezus folks! Man up and realize that your 'favorite', nearly 7 year old OS will have to die at some time...

...... And I agree with you! THAT's why I was saying "aww jeez ...." because I'm sick of the petitions.

(hotrod said @ #10.1)
Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle.


No it's not, it is slower. Very much slower.

I would like to give credit but I can't remember where I copy this from, but here is a good illustration of why Vista is so slow:

This is the life of a microprocessor under Window Vista:

Each milisec:
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this movie is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this MP3 file is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this CD is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this movie is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this MP3 file is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this CD is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.

Work a little bit for the computer user. Stop! Report this to Microsft server.

Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this movie is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this MP3 file is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this CD is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this version of window is legitimate. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this movie is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this MP3 file is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.
Check if this CD is a legitimate copy. It is. Report this to Microsft server.

Work a little bit for the computer user. Stop! Report this to Microsft server. . . . . .

Wondering why it is slow and why the system constantly access the network?

That�s why!

What intrigues me is that they seem interested in only preserving XP Home... "XP Home for laptops that fit into a specific low-performance window!" "Call the XP Home support line to petition!".

I'd expect a lot of the action would be from businesses with 5,000 XP Pro desktops and no desire to support 10 Vista boxes.

Notice how in the Neowin thread, NO ONE AGREES WITH HIM. Bit different to the general groundswell of negative opinion on Vista that we have today..


wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.

The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...

(James Riske said @ #8.4)


wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.

The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...

im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out

(ironsight2000 said @ #8.5)

im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out

Yeah, a whole 9 pages of people complaining about XP, way to go fanboy.

(James Riske said @ #8.6)

Yeah, a whole 9 pages of people complaining about XP, way to go fanboy.

You are only proving yourself as the fanboy. The guy who posted those linkes are obvious not fanboys. He throws real facts, and he wants to prove a point. and you? whining about other people disagreeing with your favorite xp? fanboism much?

(noPCtoday said @ #8.7)

You are only proving yourself as the fanboy. The guy who posted those linkes are obvious not fanboys. He throws real facts, and he wants to prove a point. and you? whining about other people disagreeing with your favorite xp? fanboism much?

She threw out a real fact alright, a whole 9 pages worth rofl!
Compare those 9 pages to the countless pages of people complaining about your beloved vi$ta, fanboy.

(James Riske said @ #8.8)
She threw out a real fact alright, a whole 9 pages worth rofl!
Compare those 9 pages to the countless pages of people complaining about your beloved vi$ta, fanboy.

Enough with the ridiculous quoting.

Seven years ago, do you remember what the internet was like?

If I were Microsoft I'd keep it... And charge 2x the amount for XP as I would for Vista...

If they want that aging OS they should pay for it!

Actually it's the other way around. OEM and CAO license are at the lowest they have been in year. With the impedding end of sales, everybody has piled them high, which made the price drop.

I should be able to still sell PC with XP for the Christmas season in 2009. After that we will see.

The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?

(Raa said @ #6)
The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?


Wanna put some spin on that?

I generally use:
Apple - 544
Linux - 243
Windows Vista - 2008
Windows XP - 1691
Other - 29

544 + 243 + 1691 + 29 = 2507

2507 is pretty darned close to 2008 if you consider that's Vista competing against all the other OSes.

~44% of the people responding chose Vista, the supposedly the most reviled OS Microsoft has ever made, over the other options. That's pretty good for a year, don'tchathink?

(GreyWolfSC said @ #6.1)


Wanna put some spin on that?

I generally use:
Apple - 544
Linux - 243
Windows Vista - 2008
Windows XP - 1691
Other - 29

544 + 243 + 1691 + 29 = 2507

2507 is pretty darned close to 2008 if you consider that's Vista competing against all the other OSes.

~44% of the people responding chose Vista, the supposedly the most reviled OS Microsoft has ever made, over the other options. That's pretty good for a year, don'tchathink?


I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol

(James Riske said @ #6.2)
I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol

I think your comment says a lot more about the commenter. I think it's pretty embarassing.

44% penetration after a year and a half ... ain't half bad. How often do you think people buy PCs these days?

(James Riske said @ #6.2)


I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol

A year and half later and it already has 44% of the poll. It passed XP's install base and it's been around since 2002. It passed Apple and it's been around since before Windows. What exactly is your point? It is obviously not grounded in reality.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #6.4)
A year and half later and it already has 44% of the poll. It passed XP's install base and it's been around since 2002. It passed Apple and it's been around since before Windows. What exactly is your point? It is obviously not grounded in reality.

That's only on Neowin. Not very representative of the whole population. In the real world, it's only about 10%.

I don't see the point in this. Those who require XP can still buy it (buy several, if you anticipate the need for it!). Vista isn't as awful as many make it out to be. My wife is quite satisfied with it on her new laptop. It doesn't fare as well on the low end PC we bought with Vista pre-installed by HP last year (only 512 MB RAM). But in another year, you won't even be able to find a "low end" PC for sale in retail outlets that can't run Vista well. And Microsoft will have continued to improve and refine Vista.

Call in, if you must, but XP isn't "dead" yet. Just aging.

But that's half the point isn't it. It doesnt need to die, theres every valid reason to keep it going.

Let's face it, its not going to be at Microsoft's great expense to keep XP alive and keep more customers happy.

(Raa said @ #4.1)
But that's half the point isn't it. It doesnt need to die, theres every valid reason to keep it going.

It's not dying. You can run XP on a PC for 30 years, if you so choose. No one is killing anything. It will just drop into the unmaintained category, like Win95 and such.

(markjensen said @ #4.3)

It's not dying. You can run XP on a PC for 30 years, if you so choose. No one is killing anything. It will just drop into the unmaintained category, like Win95 and such.

I'm curious to know when the activation servers will be shut down. I doubt they'd still be up in 30 years.

(mezron said @ #4.4)
I'm curious to know when the activation servers will be shut down. I doubt they'd still be up in 30 years.

In 30 years, Windows XP probably won't even be compatible with all the new hardware available...

(Dakkaroth said @ #4.5)

In 30 years, Windows XP probably won't even be compatible with all the new hardware available...

I'm sure it won't be. It's already getting difficult to find XP drivers for some new systems.

A few times a year or so I run DOS 6.11, Win 3.11, 95, NT4, 98, and in a vm though just for nostalgia sake. I'll play some old games, or just play with old software I have. In 20 or 30 years I'll probably want to do that with XP too. I should be able to as well, since I paid for them all.

Besides, it's different if I can't run them because there is just no hardware (virtual or physical) available anymore (even at garage sales, etc.) compared to MS just saying... sorry, that perpetual license you paid for... uhmmm, we were just kidding.

I can still play my 30+ year old vinyl records as long as I have a player. The people who bought music from Microsoft under the "Plays for Sure" thing won't be able to say that come September.

I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.

(sirgh0st said @ #3)
I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.

if that was the case then we would never advance in technology

(ironsight2000 said @ #3.1)

if that was the case then we would never advance in technology

Exactly my point about all this "save xp" crap that is going on.

why dont we just move back to 95 as every time a new os comes out we dont want to move on remember XP and the stuff people said about that

(portauthority said @ #1.2)
It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP

If that was true, why are so many people still having issues.

Even people that have just bought a new computer and printer. And don't blame the user, thats just a cop out.

XP NEEDS to be kept.

(Raa said @ #1.4)

If that was true, why are so many people still having issues.

Even people that have just bought a new computer and printer. And don't blame the user, thats just a cop out.

XP NEEDS to be kept.

I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues with any drivers yet, (even wacom), and unless I need to do system changes or play battlefield 2, I rarely see UAC popups. If ever, my system breaks, I already had a complete PC backup, so that I do not have to reinstall every piece of softwares and profiles again, I'll simply reformat the whole computer and then restore it with a complete restore.

May I ask you kindly list some of the problems you've encountered with Vista?
Yes, XP is great, my old machine is still running that, but to be justice, Vista is a better system.


I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues

Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame.

(portauthority said @ #1.2)
It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP

Rock solid? I've worked on several people's computers that have had Vista installed and I have installed it on my own. It's complete garbage.

(Xilo said @ #1.7)

Rock solid? I've worked on several people's computers that have had Vista installed and I have installed it on my own. It's complete garbage.

Can you give some examples as well? Without anything behind it, your statement just seems like flaming.

(mezron said @ #1.6)

Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame.

Actually quickbooks 2006 runs great on Vista. It throws and error on 1 file during install, but other than that it works great.

(mezron said @ #1.6)

Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame.

Quickbook always breaks .. on every platform. The OSX version broke like 3 times upon upgrading the OS to latest version...

Qbalance just sucks and they can't write a descent program...
(Also I love the fact that everyone bashes Vista for incompatibility.. however ask any 10.5 user on Adobe CS3... It's not really the fault of the OS, it just vendors writing crappy software. Nearly all software and games run great on my Vista PC's.. I have one PC left in my home to upgrade to Vista and that's an simple office pc that does nothing other then RDP... so not really bothering with that as it mostly runs Windows 2003/2008 via RDP...)

A lot of people have problems with Vista because they are stupid and blame their own problems on Vista.

In one thread a guy was saying vista sucked because it wouldn't let him save a file.

He typed in an invalid file name.

(noPCtoday said @ #1.5)
May I ask you kindly list some of the problems you've encountered with Vista?
Yes, XP is great, my old machine is still running that, but to be justice, Vista is a better system.

I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista!

(boho said @ #1.13)
I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista!

If you think Vista is complex, you'll go back to XP from Linux too.

The fact of the matter is that XP is 6 and a half years old, making it the longest living Windows OS to date. And kudos to Microsoft for making an OS with such longevity, but it's time has long since passed.

(boho said @ #1.13)

I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista!

What is this "bloat" you are talking about? And I found Vista to be way more intuitive than XP. Not that I expect an answer, you've already sniped this news post and probably won't return.

(non.sequitur said @ #1.1)

How about they retire Vista and we call it a day? Vista....YOU'RE DISMISSED.

C'mon! You can't even say it correctly!?

Vista.... You are the "weakest link." Goodbye!

:P

(unkle stu said @ #1.17)
I've worked on several people's computers that have had XP installed.. must mean XP is complete garbage.

Sure you can do that with 2000 too. Nobody is saying XP is garbage, we just want to move on.

(noPCtoday said @ #1.18)

Sure you can do that with 2000 too. Nobody is saying XP is garbage, we just want to move on.

Then go ahead move on. Leave the other alone. Let them do their own thing.