Microsoft tech evangelist: Surface beats iPad in value [Update]

So how does Microsoft's upcoming Windows RT version of the Surface tablet compare to the current tablet leader, the iOS-based iPad from Apple? That's the question that a Microsoft technical evangelist attempts to answer in a new blog post.

The post itself was written by Keith Mayer, who serves as an evangelist at Microsoft dedicated to "Windows Infrastructure, Data Center Virtualization, Systems Management and Private Cloud." He compares the price of the 32 GB Surface to that of the 32 GB iPad. He uses their base price and then throws in the $119 Touch Cover Keyboard for the Surface and an unnamed $69 keyboard for the iPad. Mayer also throws in a cover for the iPad, priced at $39. Overall, he claims the total amount for the Surface will be $618, versus $707 for the iPad.

He then talks about apps and adds a number of paid iOS apps for the iPad versus their equivalent for the Surface's included Windows RT version of Microsoft Office. Mayer says that the iOS apps add another $85.95 to the iPad, but there is no such price increase for the Surface tablet.

Mayer also mentions the MicroSD slot and the full USB port for the Surface for people who want to add extra storage, versus no such options for the iPad. Finally, there's cloud storage with Microsoft's SkyDrive versus Apple's iCloud and even Dropbox. Mayer says SkyDrive offers seven GB of free storage, versus five GB for iCloud and just two GB for Dropbox. If a person wants to get 100 GB of cloud storage, he can purchase it for SkyDrive for just $50 a year, versus $100 for iCloud and $120 for Dropbox.

Update: Mayer has now removed the article from his blog.

Thanks to bikram for the tip!

Source: Keith Mayer's blog | Images via Microsoft and Apple

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I don't understand the whole Skydrive thing. Is there not a Skydrive app for iOS? I know I have a Skydrive app on my Droid 4. Also rumor is that Office is coming to iOS and Android next year so unless you NEED it now it might not be worth paying extra for. I can't imagine MS is going to miss out on all the revenue of Office on other platforms. I also can't imagine they'll charge > $100 for the mobile versions.

Don't forget that Office on RT is a preview! Not the full blown deal. $20 for OpenOffice for iPad is much cheaper than this "expert"'s price. That there negates his value and blog posting. Just more scared tactics from MS.

This negates nothing. MS has said that the preview will update/upgrade to the full version once it was released. This will be done at no charge, for the RT versions.

"The Office 2013 preload is of the current preview build of the software with a free upgrade to final software when it's available."

You need to read more before correcting someone.

NeoPogo said,
Don't forget that Office on RT is a preview! Not the full blown deal. $20 for OpenOffice for iPad is much cheaper than this "expert"'s price. That there negates his value and blog posting. Just more scared tactics from MS.

I think another great value for the Surface RT is that it will support tons of printers of the bat. So just connect the USB port to the printer and print. as for the iPad.. don't know... how do you print off that thing?

vhaakmat said,
I think another great value for the Surface RT is that it will support tons of printers of the bat. So just connect the USB port to the printer and print. as for the iPad.. don't know... how do you print off that thing?

Good question. How can it be productive if you can't even print? I doubt you can install any printer drivers or if it comes with drivers. First of all you can't even connect a printer as it has no USB. Need to look into this. Second, I don't think a lot of printer manufacturers are going to develop apps for printing.

Wait, if you're still connecting to printers via USB, you're doing it wrong! That's pretty old school when Wifi printers are so cheap nowadays. Airprint has this covered for iOS and Android has all the major printers covered via manufacturer apps.

Should the Surface pro be compared to netbooks, or ultra books since they are basically marketing this as a converged device.

moloko said,
Should the Surface pro be compared to netbooks, or ultra books since they are basically marketing this as a converged device.

Surface Pro should be compared to all devices.

Shouldn't be throwing SkyDrive in there. SkyDrive is system neutral, and works just as well on an iPad as on a Surface. It even runs on Android. And that's on the web and natively.

THolman said,
Shouldn't be throwing SkyDrive in there. SkyDrive is system neutral, and works just as well on an iPad as on a Surface. It even runs on Android. And that's on the web and natively.

He's talking about what's integrated Which is why it was dumb to bring up drop box.

siah1214 said,

He's talking about what's integrated Which is why it was dumb to bring up drop box.

He said Skydrive, not dropbox. And we all know SkyDrive is superior to Dropbox, specially with office web integration.

THolman said,
Shouldn't be throwing SkyDrive in there. SkyDrive is system neutral, and works just as well on an iPad as on a Surface. It even runs on Android. And that's on the web and natively.

I can speculate why SkyDrive is mentioned, and it is because most data can be saved to SkyDrive from apps using the WinRT APIs. Because SkyDrive is included as an app out of the box, and because it comes with free storage guaranteed for any Microsoft account, they might think it is worth mentioning.

I can presume that game saves will use the File Picker API and you can save either to your PC or SkyDrive or any app that is installed that takes advantage of the File Picker API. Maybe even large games can be downloaded from the Windows Store, but can download their additional files and offer an option to decide where to save the large amount of data using the File Picker API.

These are just presumptions made by me. It would make sense, but then it might not at all. Considering why would a game download additional files that equal an amount in gigabytes to save to SkyDrive? It would have to download, then upload to SkyDrive, for it to download back to the PC every time you run the game. Obviously SkyDrive couldn't be used for game's additional files, but if an SD card was in the PC, it could save to that.

Sionic Ion said,

snip

SkyDrive will be used for mainly files and photos, anything else would just be excessive up/download. The point of Skydrive is not too replace physical media but rather to have it everywhere you go!

Yep, apple users are still waiting for the next big thing ...

moloko said,
I wonder if the next ipad4 will have a SD slot to compete. Interesting, I love competition.

moloko said,
I wonder if the next ipad4 will have a SD slot to compete. Interesting, I love competition.

With how hard they're pushing iCloud right now, i can see it being an even more important feature on the next iPad. I can definitely see them upping the free storage.

MDboyz said,
Yep, apple users are still waiting for the next big thing ...

Along the same lines, every i-Device is supposed to be the one that Apple Fans have wanted and is supposed to be perfect. So how come they keep wanting something more all the time. I mean no disrespect to anyone, but its time that Apple Fans start questioning the company on why they cannot get the basic features while everyone has them for years.

Case in point - micro SD slot. Almost every Tablet has it. Almost every new smartphone, in particular Android ones, have it. Apple doesn't.

I guarantee you, if this article was slanted against Windows 8 we would have seen a

"Stopped reading at Microsoft tech evangelist"

By now.

warwagon said,
I guarantee you, if this article was slanted against Windows 8 we would have seen a

"Stopped reading at Microsoft tech evangelist"

By now.

If that was the case, it would soon be former Microsoft technical evangelist...

warwagon said,
I guarantee you, if this article was slanted against Windows 8 we would have seen a

"Stopped reading at Microsoft tech evangelist"

By now.

That's an oxymoron, it wouldn't be slanted against Windows 8 if it was an evangelist!

This reminds me of an old "get a mac" ad where Apple was talking about how the Mac came with "everything you need out of the box" and a PC needed all kinds of software to be useful. The gist of it was that it's better if you can use it right out of the box without having to download anything or buy additional software.

ShawnB said,
This reminds me of an old "get a mac" ad where Apple was talking about how the Mac came with "everything you need out of the box" and a PC needed all kinds of software to be useful. The gist of it was that it's better if you can use it right out of the box without having to download anything or buy additional software.

Yeah, it's a mighty shame that they dogged down users with the ability to extend onboard storage space to 2 TB or plug in USB peripherals.

Relativity_17 said,

Yeah, it's a mighty shame that they dogged down users with the ability to extend onboard storage space to 2 TB or plug in USB peripherals.

This isn't a slam on Microsoft, it's more a knock on Apple for going in the wrong direction with the iPad. Users like bundled software as long as it isn't crapware. I think surface is going to be a big hit.

Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison? Seems to be closer in specs to the Surface with respect to the camera&display resolution, the processor speed and the amount of usable space (~20GB)...

CJEric said,
Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison? Seems to be closer in specs to the Surface with respect to the camera&display resolution, the processor speed and the amount of usable space (~20GB)...

No, let's compare current gen to current gen. iPad 2 doesn't have a vaporMG case, and the surface has a better screen even if it's lower res. Also, if you want to go down that road, how many apps can you show at once on the iPad 3? 1. How many can you show on Windows RT? On the desktop, you could have the whole office suite up at once. In the Modern UI, you can have 2 apps side by side. So who cares about the stupid resolution if it goes completely to waste showing one app at a time?

CJEric said,
Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison? Seems to be closer in specs to the Surface with respect to the camera&display resolution, the processor speed and the amount of usable space (~20GB)...

WHAT?

siah1214 said,

No, let's compare current gen to current gen. iPad 2 doesn't have a vaporMG case, and the surface has a better screen even if it's lower res. Also, if you want to go down that road, how many apps can you show at once on the iPad 3? 1. How many can you show on Windows RT? On the desktop, you could have the whole office suite up at once. In the Modern UI, you can have 2 apps side by side. So who cares about the stupid resolution if it goes completely to waste showing one app at a time?

iPad 2 and even the "3rd" one never had additional storage ability without buying a whole new device... didn't have standardized external device support (aka USB devices)... definatly doesn't have a full blown OS version like the Surface Pro models...

CJEric said,
Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison? Seems to be closer in specs to the Surface with respect to the camera&display resolution, the processor speed and the amount of usable space (~20GB)...

NO!

OS
iPad 2: iOS 6
Surface: Windows 8 (Check)
----------------------------------------
PRICE
iPad 2: $399
Surface: $499 (Value: CHECK)
-------------------------------------------
SCREEN RESOLUTION
iPad 2: 1024x768 pixel 132ppi
Surface: 1366x768 pixels ppi- ? (CHECK)
------------------------------------------------
STORAGE
iPad 2: 16GB (~10GB Usable)
Surface: 32GB (~20GB Usable) (CHECK)
----------------------------------------------
SOFTWARE
iPad 2: ?
Surface: Office 2013 (CHECK)
---------------------------------------------
PORTS
iPad 2: 16-pin connector + Headset jack
SurfaceHeadset jack +USB2 +MicroSD+ HD video out (CHECK)

So, once again NO!

Edited by gullygod, Oct 18 2012, 2:49am :

gullygod said,
NO!

As far as I know the usable space of a 16GB iPad is upwards of 13GB. Pixel density is 132 vs. 148 ppi (the iPad 3's 264ppi is in a whole other league). You didn't list camera resolution or take processing power into account.

So let see.

Screen size: surface
Screen resolution: new iPad
Front camera: surface
Back camera: new iPad
Storage (32gb): both
USB: surface
MicroSD slot: surface
Price: surface

So far, Surface RT > new Ipad

CJEric said,

As far as I know the usable space of a 16GB iPad is upwards of 13GB. Pixel density is 132 vs. 148 ppi (the iPad 3's 264ppi is in a whole other league). You didn't list camera resolution or take processing power into account.

MDboyz said,
Surface RT > new Ipad

I feel like you're missing my point ... If your focus is on the price, you may want to have a look at the $399 (old) iPad 2, which in some ways comes closer to the Surface RT's specs than the new iPad does. If your focus is on such features as microSD, USB, a slightly bigger screen, or basic Desktop app support, then obviously neither the iPad 2 nor 3 are the way to go, and you're better off with a Surface.

CJEric said,

As far as I know the usable space of a 16GB iPad is upwards of 13GB. Pixel density is 132 vs. 148 ppi (the iPad 3's 264ppi is in a whole other league). You didn't list camera resolution or take processing power into account.

I will fix the storage info, but you asked "Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison?" the answers is still no because if I have 399 to spend I would by a Surface for 100 more. I have an ipad so this isn't any bias crap.

Both the Surface RT and the iPad 2 record @ 720p; I have no idea what the processing power of the ipad 2.


Maybe the third Surface (new Surface), like third ipad (new iPad) will have a higher ppi.

Edited by gullygod, Oct 18 2012, 3:26am :

gullygod said,
you asked "Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison?" the answers is still no because if I have 399 to spend I would by a Surface for 100 more.

And that's perfectly fine. Here's the thing though…If I go to the Apple Store website and look at the comparison between the iPad 2 and 3 ( http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad ), the differences that catch my eye are pixel density, processing power and camera resolution. That's pretty much it. In respect to all 3 of these, it seems to me that the Surface RT is closer to the iPad 2, not the iPad 3. The only other difference seems to be storage capacity, but at ~13GB vs. ~20GB vs. ~29GB usable capacity, the 16GB iPad 2 still seems closer to the 32GB Surface RT, than the 32GB Surface RT to the 32GB iPad 3.

Note that I'm NOT saying that either the iPad or the Surface RT is better or worse, just that to me specifically in the ways in which the iPad 3 differs from the iPad 2 the Surface RT seems closer to the (less expensive) iPad 2 than the iPad 3.

In whatever ways the iPad might be lacking compared to the Surface RT, BOTH iPad 2 and iPad 3 are.

Lolz ... you seem to put new iPad in diff level just because the resolution and camera. iPad 2 spec is no where near Surface RT. Surface RT is equipped with Nvidia Tegra 3 quad core and 2GB memory.

Based on your wonderful logic, someone just needs to create a better screen and camera than new iPad, but with ****ty CPU and memory. Then it is considered out class new iPad.


CJEric said,

And that's perfectly fine. Here's the thing though…If I go to the Apple Store website and look at the comparison between the iPad 2 and 3 ( http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad ), the differences that catch my eye are pixel density, processing power and camera resolution. That's pretty much it. In respect to all 3 of these, it seems to me that the Surface RT is closer to the iPad 2, not the iPad 3. The only other difference seems to be storage capacity, but at ~13GB vs. ~20GB vs. ~29GB usable capacity, the 16GB iPad 2 still seems closer to the 32GB Surface RT, than the 32GB Surface RT to the 32GB iPad 3.

Note that I'm NOT saying that either the iPad or the Surface RT is better or worse, just that to me specifically in the ways in which the iPad 3 differs from the iPad 2 the Surface RT seems closer to the (less expensive) iPad 2 than the iPad 3.

In whatever ways the iPad might be lacking compared to the Surface RT, BOTH iPad 2 and iPad 3 are.

MDboyz said,
Lolz ... you seem to put new iPad in diff level just because the resolution and camera.

Well, that seem to be the main improvements over the iPad 2. It's certainly possible I'm wrong though...

Storage is 20 for surface and 29 for ipad. but the value is still in favor of the surface.

MDboyz said,
So let see.

Screen size: surface
Screen resolution: new iPad
Front camera: surface
Back camera: new iPad
Storage (32gb): both
USB: surface
MicroSD slot: surface
Price: surface

So far, Surface RT > new Ipad

gullygod said,

So, once again NO!

I would give screen size to the ipad. I like the dimensions for viewing books and mags better than a wide screen. But it hard to compare since the prices are 100$ cheaper and that is worth a lot to me.

OS choice is subjective.
Ipad 2 has more than 10Gb of usable space too.
USB ...meh for most average consumers...but the SD slot is a BIG BIG value.

moloko said,
Storage is 20 for surface and 29 for ipad. but the value is still in favor of the surface.

20GB with productivity App, the one the world works on(MS Office).

CJEric said,

As far as I know the usable space of a 16GB iPad is upwards of 13GB. Pixel density is 132 vs. 148 ppi (the iPad 3's 264ppi is in a whole other league). You didn't list camera resolution or take processing power into account.

The iPad 3? Are you talking about the New iPad? Or a newer then new New iPad? Wouldn't that be the iPad 4 or the New iPad 2? And if they do release a new New iPad, would that make the old New iPad the Old iPad? And what if the new New iPad becomes the new Old iPad? Would that make the Old iPad the Older iPad? I'm not sure where the branding should go from there on. They can't call it the Oldest iPad, that title goes to the original iPad. Then again they did create a new iPad while that title also could have gone to iPad 2, making the New iPad the Newest iPad. This is a serious issue..

moloko said,

I would give screen size to the ipad. I like the dimensions for viewing books and mags better than a wide screen. But it hard to compare since the prices are 100$ cheaper and that is worth a lot to me.

OS choice is subjective.
Ipad 2 has more than 10Gb of usable space too.
USB ...meh for most average consumers...but the SD slot is a BIG BIG value.

Ipad 3 vs surface RT

Screen: PPI = iPad, MTF = Surface, screen hardware wise = surface (closer to digitizer), aspect ration = Surface 16:9 (is the best for any kind of media consumption)

Core components: CPU = Surface, RAM = Surface
Storage: Expansion = Surface (USB, MicroSDXC),
Display out = Surface (iPad does have video output but it is pretty useless and lacking any monitor support features)
Media consumption output: Music = Surface ( Surface has true stereo speakers), Video = Surface (Advanced software decoding and various other revolutionary optimizations + 16:9)
Photos = iPad (higher resolution screen means able to better display pictures [arguable, we're going to have to do a side by side test!])
Connection: Cellular= iPad(no option on surface, magnesium case would interfere) Bluetooth = Surface (ability to actually send and receive files!)
WiFi = Surface (DUAL band 2xMIMO)

heaps of other stuff but cbf

CJEric said,
Wouldn't the iPad 2 at $399 be a better comparison? Seems to be closer in specs to the Surface with respect to the camera&display resolution, the processor speed and the amount of usable space (~20GB)...

iPad 2 = dual core A5 chipset
Surface = Quad core Nvidia tegra chipset (surface wins, in both CPU and GPU)

iPad 3..........

"Performance: The Microsoft Surface is equipped with a powerful NVIDIA processor, but very little information is known about how well the processor will perform. "Nvidia's 1.4GHz T30 Tegra 3 quad-core processor powers Surface RT," reports PC World. "Similar Tegra 3 processors are in many of the leading Android tablets, and even Apple's own processor on the iPad has its roots in the ARM architecture." The Microsoft Surface will also have 2GB of RAM and 32 GB of internal storage with an expandable memory slot.

The Apple iPad 3 runs on a proprietary Apple A5X dual-core processor. The Apple A5X runs at 1.0GHz and is paired with a quad-core PowerVR SGX543MP4 graphics processor. The tablet also has 1GB of RAM and 32GB of internal storage with no expandable memory slot. "

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/a...ace-vs-ipad-3-499-price.htm

MDboyz said,
So let see.

Storage (32gb): both


Except the Surface only gives you about 20 GB of actual usable space.

But remember it comes with pre-installed MS office package too. Also, you have to look at the numbers of pre-installed apps which nobody knows at this time.

.Neo said,

Except the Surface only gives you about 20 GB of actual usable space.

MDboyz said,
So let see.


Storage (32gb): both


I think you have more space left with the iPad versus surface. DOn't know if it true but i heard with the Surface you have 20GB left only.

You can't take internal memory you need to take what's left of this internal memory to use.

siah1214 said,

No, let's compare current gen to current gen.

Yeah but at the same time the iPad 3 is 7 months old. IN the world of tech it's an eternity.

So when you compare the iPad 3 to surface you have indeed comparing old tech yo unreleased new tech.

There's no doubt Apple will answer to the surface next spring before the surface 2 gonna be released.

CJEric said,

As far as I know the usable space of a 16GB iPad is upwards of 13GB. Pixel density is 132 vs. 148 ppi (the iPad 3's 264ppi is in a whole other league). You didn't list camera resolution or take processing power into account.

The Surface RT has 2x720p cameras - both for front and back. The back camera is at an angle so that it can be better used when you have the flip stand open. Microsoft needs to be given credit for a LOT of thought put into designing the Surface. I hope that they come up with a Surface phone as well.

Umm available spaces will be depended on how many pre-load app with the product. Do you buy mobile phones/laptops/computers also based on their free available spaces? Why don't you also ask how much free money when you turn the products on too? lolz ...

moloko said,
yes but that still makes it 20Gb.

but they stated it would come with office and the OS that makes it 20Gb of space.

both the software sweet of Office and the OS take up much more space than other tablets of different OS's out of the box.

I did not say if this was good or bad. My statements were only that. With a 32Gb android or Ipad there is much more available space for books movies, music, etc.

MDboyz said,
Umm available spaces will be depended on how many pre-load app with the product. Do you buy mobile phones/laptops/computers also based on their free available spaces? Why don't you also ask how much free money when you turn the products on too? lolz ...

"Overall, he claims the total amount for the Surface will be $618, versus $707 for the iPad."

He is right, $618+tax is exacly what I paid.

I have an iPad, but the value of the Surface for me is the USB port, MicroSD, and the fact that I can now edit documents on the go now; on the iPad .doc and .ppt files are read-only.

gullygod said,
"Overall, he claims the total amount for the Surface will be $618, versus $707 for the iPad."

He is right, $618+tax is exacly what I paid.

I have an iPad, but the value of the Surface for me is the USB port, MicroSD, and the fact that I can now edit documents on the go now; on the iPad .doc and .ppt files are read-only.

If you have pages or keynote, those files are NOT read only, i edit them all the time.

But im still getting a surface cause I want to develop for it and I want to try it out, I think ill be very pleased. I love IOS, im loving where windows phone is going, windows RT looks legit because itll run the same apps as Windows Phone 8. The only thing I cant stand is android, especially on a tablet. So broken.

My leather cover for my ipad was 12$ on monoprice. So you can get good quality stuff for cheaper. I hope monoprice comes out with a cheaper keyboard for the Surface RT bringing the price even cheaper.

gullygod said,
"Overall, he claims the total amount for the Surface will be $618, versus $707 for the iPad."

He is right, $618+tax is exacly what I paid.

I have an iPad, but the value of the Surface for me is the USB port, MicroSD, and the fact that I can now edit documents on the go now; on the iPad .doc and .ppt files are read-only.

This, this, a billion times this!

The damn smart cover costs $50 straight from apple. That and a Bluetooth keyboard and you've already spent $100 on accessories. The Office suite is worth $120 by itself, so take that away from surface and it's a $480 tablet with a keyboard.

And there's no way for an iPad to show two apps on one screen. That's gotta be worth something right there.

Surface is not overpriced, the $300-400 people were dreaming and wishing. I wish it was free, but if I had a dollar for every unfulfilled wish I'd have enough to buy "some" surfaces.

Yep, you right.

That $300 and under price is reserved for a "7" inch Surface.
No way should they charge under what they announced for a 10 inch premium built device.
Never mind the software (although i'm in love with Win 8), its just a quality built device.

harveyt said,
Yep, you right.

That $300 and under price is reserved for a "7" inch Surface.
No way should they charge under what they announced for a 10 inch premium built device.
Never mind the software (although i'm in love with Win 8), its just a quality built device.


Except the 10" Surface has specs closer to the latest 7" devices NOT the latest 10" ones. Having a bigger screen at a lower rez is CHEAPER then a smaller screen at a higher rez. RT devices are Windows Phone 7 all over again. Excellent build quality, new app ecosystem, not particularly high hardware specs. I expect it will do about as well as WP7 did. Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 (Surface Pro) devices are the real future. That said RT was needed as a stepping stone as Windows on ARM is needed. Next year 64bit ARM CPUs are going to hit datacenters and MS is going to want Windows Server OS available to them as soon as possible. Windows RT v2 will probably be an excellent product. (and it will have the benefit of all the v1 apps already in place). So basically RT is a necessary beta test of what's to come... like WP7 or heck even Vista.

Or you can go third party and get one same quality and same feature set for 13$.

siah1214 said,
This, this, a billion times this!

The damn smart cover costs $50 straight from apple. That and a Bluetooth keyboard and you've already spent $100 on accessories. The Office suite is worth $120 by itself, so take that away from surface and it's a $480 tablet with a keyboard.

And there's no way for an iPad to show two apps on one screen. That's gotta be worth something right there.

Surface is not overpriced, the $300-400 people were dreaming and wishing. I wish it was free, but if I had a dollar for every unfulfilled wish I'd have enough to buy "some" surfaces.

When thinking about value I was wondering which tablet had the best apps out o the box without additional downloads. Can anyone tell me which apps come pre-installed on the iPad?

pwgarner said,
When thinking about value I was wondering which tablet had the best apps out o the box without additional downloads. Can anyone tell me which apps come pre-installed on the iPad?

Uh... Like the basic stuff, I think... Weather, News, Safari, iTunes, Stocks, etc. Obviously nothing like Microsoft Office or whatever... Correct me if I'm wrong. Lol.

Facetime weather
email video player
safari music player
image viewer Newstand
ibooks messaging (IM)
cal notes
contacts reminders/ to-do

pwgarner said,
When thinking about value I was wondering which tablet had the best apps out o the box without additional downloads. Can anyone tell me which apps come pre-installed on the iPad?

moloko said,
Facetime weather
email video player
safari music player
image viewer Newstand
ibooks messaging (IM)
cal notes
contacts reminders/ to-do


And don't forget iOS6 Maps! That thing is useful!

thenonhacker said,


And don't forget iOS6 Maps! That thing is useful!

Does iPad come with Maps? The base WiFi version does not have GPS so what's the point of having Maps on it. Correct me if I am wrong.

Kunal Nanda said,

Does iPad come with Maps? The base WiFi version does not have GPS so what's the point of having Maps on it. Correct me if I am wrong.

I have a Wi-Fi version of the iPad 2. It does have Maps, but yes, it doesn't have GPS. It'll get your location through Wi-Fi, but it's not too accurate because obviously it's not GPS.