Microsoft: Time to start thinking about retiring Windows XP

Windows XP is still used by a large number of consumer and business PCs but now the operating system's creator is urging people who still have the operating system to start thinking at least about upgrading to Windows 7. In an new post on the official Windows blog site, Microsoft's Stephen L Rose stated that there are two big reasons for leaving Windows XP behind. One of them is, of course, the fact that there is a new version of the OS, Windows 7, that's a big improvement over Windows XP (no mention at all of Windows Vista).

The other big reason is the fact that there is only 1,000 more days for Microsoft to officially support Windows XP with things like patches. Rose states, "On April 8, 2014, security patches and hotfixes for all versions of Windows XP will no longer be available. So bottom line, PC’s running Windows XP will be vulnerable to security threats."

Rose also points out that third party software makers are also planning to retire support for Windows XP versions of their products which Rose says, "translates to even more complexity, security risks, and ultimately, added management costs for your IT department if you’re still managing Windows XP environments." Rose also states that a recent report from Garter says “more than 50 (percent) of organizations that do not start deploying Windows 7 by early 2012 will not complete their deployments before Windows XP support ends, and will incur increased support costs.”

Rose says that businesses have a number of ways to make the upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7 easier including a 90 day trial version of Windows 7 for enterprise customers.

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Win7 my main OS for the record.

Retire XP? I don't think any OS really ever "retires". I know that social services uses windows 3.0 on 286 computers I'm not kidding either. Whatever suits the business just.. goes... They do use a windows 95 PC for their Internet, but they don't really use it for our kind of internet. It's a database on a website that their 3.0 PC's access and the 95 pc manages it through a browser (cloud computing goes waaay way back hmm...)

I still use XP for my midi production... yea... those of you who know my post history, I always talk about MIDIs Particularly a soundblaster pci128 which has the 8MB ecw wave tables. It doesn't work on Windows 7 and I wish it would. (wont work on vmware, emulator etc)

Cant get rid of XP just yet. At least at work, we have some applications that won't run on 7 that are critical to some groups work. Therefore we stilll need XP =\

este said,
Cant get rid of XP just yet. At least at work, we have some applications that won't run on 7 that are critical to some groups work. Therefore we stilll need XP =\

What about using XP-Mode?

the only good thing about Windows is that every program runs on it, for instance ive just been told that Forex software is made for Windows only, the fact that i might be able to run it under Linux doesnt mean i can efficiently use it

its sad how such a crappy OS like Windows is the giant and im not saying this because im some kind of a fanboy like some idiots would call me - im being realistic. i have many computers that are covering the Windows 7 requirements twice or more, yet i have always experienced problems with all Windows versions - XP, Vista, 7

no matter how much RAM i have, Firefox 4,5 still have memory leaks on Windows 7 (no such problems with Ubuntu 11.04), it takes 1-2 minutes after boot before i can do anything on a fresh installation with the newest drivers (on Ubuntu Firefox starts right after boot.. with a few seconds delay)


the fanboys are those who blindly defend Windows calling Linux users names and stuff, im not a fanboy, im always forced to return to Windows just because it has big market share and every program is written for it and Linux has such a small market share (because it was never made for profit, otherwise it would had at least the same share as Mac, if not bigger)


and what better about Mac and Linux over Windows is that when you upgrade Mac or Linux with a new version, you are not installing something overwhelming and completely new like in Windows where some native software might not run and stuff like that (like Skype 3.8)

so companies are still using XP because their software might not run with Windows Vista or 7, employees are there to work not jerk off on Aero and other effects (the transparent part of Aero is quite useless) so thats why people are still using XP - its performance is superior, it runs on low-end machines and many other pros and little cons like the lack of Aero and the functionality of the Superbar

regards

allwynd said,
im not saying this because im some kind of a fanboy like some idiots would call me - im being realistic.

Ermm no, between the misinformation, plain old "doing something wrong", using grossly outdated software (Skype 3.8??), etc etc.. sounds a lot like fanboy.

Max Norris said,

Ermm no, between the misinformation, plain old "doing something wrong", using grossly outdated software (Skype 3.8??), etc etc.. sounds a lot like fanboy.

who says im using 3.8? im using 5.3 you are so ignorant

allwynd said,
who says im using 3.8? im using 5.3 you are so ignorant

Then as a suggestion don't f'ing mention version 3.8 in your post mmkay? Don't talk about ignorance when you can't even remember what you said.

Max Norris said,

Then as a suggestion don't f'ing mention version 3.8 in your post mmkay? Don't talk about ignorance when you can't even remember what you said.

u know what, nerdboy? i dont care

XP is an awesome OS, Much better suited to many lower spec'ed laptops than vista is. Yeah it's old but it's stable and give the user loads of power (no need to constantly tell the system that yes, it was you who opened a program and yes, you would like it to open and yes, you don't mind if it views the internet.)
Personally I skipped vista and went straight for 7 and haven't looked back.

My mum has an perfectly working WinXP SP3 machine that does everything that she needs it to do (email, some crap little games and maybe light web browsing )... So why should she be forced (urged) to upgrade her OS when her PC isn't capable of running it, are MS going to pay for better CPU and more ram NO i think not so stop shoving win7 down those throats that don't require more than they have ....

Expensive upgrade costs are a great reason people stick with what works. Office 2010 is an excellent example of how an expensive upgrade price keeps people at 2003 or 2007. Same thing with an OS. If you make upgrades expensive, people (unless they are heavy user and/or "techno-weenies" and/or have a lot of money to spend will stick with what works.

I can see making the move from XP to Win-7. Win-8 is really going to screw things up. Millions of people who are mouse/keyboard oriented and have hardware based on that form factor. Making them have to buy new hardware and software, and make a total change in how they interact with their computers is just asking for trouble. Why are gamers and tablet-users dictating how the productive sector of the business world is supposed to work?

TsarNikky said,
Expensive upgrade costs are a great reason people stick with what works. Office 2010 is an excellent example of how an expensive upgrade price keeps people at 2003 or 2007. Same thing with an OS. If you make upgrades expensive, people (unless they are heavy user and/or "techno-weenies" and/or have a lot of money to spend will stick with what works.

I can see making the move from XP to Win-7. Win-8 is really going to screw things up. Millions of people who are mouse/keyboard oriented and have hardware based on that form factor. Making them have to buy new hardware and software, and make a total change in how they interact with their computers is just asking for trouble. Why are gamers and tablet-users dictating how the productive sector of the business world is supposed to work?

Win8 in the business world will be the same as Win7. Win8 will only offer an alternate interface for your tablet/touch device compared to a laptop or desktop. Home users won't see much a difference either unless they opt for the new interface from what I understand, which will work just as well with a mouse and keyboard as it will with a finger.

I am a firm believe in the old saying, "If it aint broke don't fix it." Of course that doesn't necessarily apply in the corporate world when there's money to be made from fixing things that work just great. Too bad the upgrade costs are just horrendous. $200 USD for an upgrade license. Volume purchases might help that cost go down a bit, but that's a hell of a lot of money to shell out for upgrading every computer in an organization when they're just going to release Windows 8 in a couple years and ask for another couple hundred per computer to upgrade all over again.

CoMMo said,
I am a firm believe in the old saying, "If it aint broke don't fix it." Of course that doesn't necessarily apply in the corporate world when there's money to be made from fixing things that work just great. Too bad the upgrade costs are just horrendous. $200 USD for an upgrade license. Volume purchases might help that cost go down a bit, but that's a hell of a lot of money to shell out for upgrading every computer in an organization when they're just going to release Windows 8 in a couple years and ask for another couple hundred per computer to upgrade all over again.

scratch that , Win8 would be out next year!

I'm surprised no one has asked this yet, but if Microsoft really wanted to end support for Windows XP are they turning off the XP activation servers?

sagum said,
I'm surprised no one has asked this yet, but if Microsoft really wanted to end support for Windows XP are they turning off the XP activation servers?

oh noise!! let the WGA hacks begin. (not like there all ready main stream)

And now this is a similar argument as to why the hacks are being done (in some cases). All those databases (in some cases) that stored passwords in plain text, was probably the only option if they were using early 1990s databases and did not want to upgrade.

Upgrade, or suffer the consequences due to no more patches.

"The other big reason is the fact that there is only 1,000 more days for Microsoft to officially support Windows XP with things like patches."

LOL...LOL...That's 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scorbing said,
"The other big reason is the fact that there is only 1,000 more days for Microsoft to officially support Windows XP with things like patches."

LOL...LOL...That's 3 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!


3 years are not long for businesses, they need to plan ahead of that expiration time. Do read before posting stupid things.

FarCry3r said,

Well said! 3 years are not long for businesses, they need to plan ahead of that expiration time. Do read before posting stupid things.
3 years is a long time for a home user, but for business it feels like a few hours.

Where I work we have just finished upgrading the majority of our machines over to Windows 7 but due to lack of updates from software issued by (dare I say) Royal Mail, we are stuck with XP as their proprietary software uses MSDE!

Is Microsoft really at fault for XP still being around? I'd say the companies that still use XP are at fault. To some extent, you can't blame them. XP performs just fine in most situations, but should be replaced if the company cares AT ALL about network security.

Julius Caro said,
Is Microsoft really at fault for XP still being around? I'd say the companies that still use XP are at fault. To some extent, you can't blame them. XP performs just fine in most situations, but should be replaced if the company cares AT ALL about network security.

Yes it is actually. MS got all the companies in bed with them and their custom "standards" (I use that term loosely), then MS decided to follow the accepted standards and started to leave behind the loyal following. Not to mention that abnormally large gap in between WinXP and Vista and the dislike for Vista, companies became more entrenched with WinXP as time passed. They did not have to spend money on upgrades because there were no upgrades, companies did not have to write to open web standards because all the IE6 crap still worked.

So now we're faced with hardware vendors dropping support, business groups refusing to spend money that they haven't had to budget for or spend in the last 8 -10 years (upgrading software), and mixed requirements from the business for this on XP and that on 7.

Is it Microsoft's fault? Yes, in a way it is. They bastardized the web (IE6), they were stagnant for years, and they offered no reason to listen to the pitch for Vista.

What does that leave you with? Less hair, long days, and a strong Rum 'n Coke when you get home (just one since it's a work night). I need a refill... guess I just broke my one a night rule.

A few PCs were still running Windows 95 at my old high school when I graduated from there two years ago. I believe they are still operational.

Why upgrade when it's not broke?

XX55XX said,
A few PCs were still running Windows 95 at my old high school when I graduated from there two years ago. I believe they are still operational.

Why upgrade when it's not broke?

If you run your PC's in a corporate environment connected to the internet can you trust that it's still secure when extra vulnerabilities are found that MS doesn't patch? Plus all Office future versions 2012, etc will not be compatible as well as associated MS tools.

If it's standalone, fair enough. A typical home PC user won't need to worry either, this is for businesses to be concerned about.

This should mean the final end of XP drivers for manufacturers, etc giving them the signal to bail and just focus on Vista/Win7/Win8.

imachip said,

If you run your PC's in a corporate environment connected to the internet can you trust that it's still secure when extra vulnerabilities are found that MS doesn't patch? Plus all Office future versions 2012, etc will not be compatible as well as associated MS tools.

Yeh, for a school, still having computers running 95 is pretty slac really. Unless they were not really used. I remember spending the majority of computers classes at highschool trying to hack the school network with my friends. So fun. Never managed it.

People seem to completely miss the fact that many users are running 5,6,7, even 8+ years old systems and that's why they are still on XP. You can't expect them to upgrade their systems and OS if their happy with what they are using it for.

Also, yes, Vista is actually a fine operating system. I lost my 7 disc a month ago when I upgraded so was on Vista for a few weeks. I saw absolutely no difference in performance or compatibility. Only a slightly inferior interface. Unfortunately for Microsoft, vista jokes will always be funny!

stunts said,
People seem to completely miss the fact that many users are running 5,6,7, even 8+ years old systems and that's why they are still on XP. You can't expect them to upgrade their systems and OS if their happy with what they are using it for.

good point. some systems are just to old to run Windows 7 anyways as they don't have enough RAM as i am sure there is still quite a few PC's from 6-8 years ago that have 512MB of RAM which in those people's case Win7 is not a realistic option and it's not worth upgrading those systems either.

so for those types it's either stay on XP or get a new PC.

stunts said,
People seem to completely miss the fact that many users are running 5,6,7, even 8+ years old systems and that's why they are still on XP. You can't expect them to upgrade their systems and OS if their happy with what they are using it for.

Also, yes, Vista is actually a fine operating system. I lost my 7 disc a month ago when I upgraded so was on Vista for a few weeks. I saw absolutely no difference in performance or compatibility. Only a slightly inferior interface. Unfortunately for Microsoft, vista jokes will always be funny!


Well in 2014 when support runs out and you can no longer get security fixes, those systems will be 8,9,10, even 11+ years old. Quite frankly, if you've got a machine that old and are still using it connected to the internet, you deserve to be hacked/infected. You're a menace to the rest of the internet.

Also, for the record, nobody is forcing you to upgrade. You can happily continue in your own little world with an 11+ year old computer. Just don't expect Microsoft to dedicate resources to keeping your decade+ old system secure just because you're too cheap to upgrade. I hope you're happy with the virus and trojans you've living with, stealing all your bank information ;-) </end of rant>

Edited by Ryster, Jul 12 2011, 10:07pm :

It is to bad.. my mom runs a doctors office and she didnt want to upgrade because her medical programs are super old and she was told they would only work on XP from the medical software company. I got her to upgrade to windows 7 and showed her how to run it in compatibility mode.. Its hard for small business's because not only do they need to upgrade the OS but also alot of the programs that are super expensive that go with them.. I think it has alot to do with this being a post economic crash and its these old business's that cant afford to upgrade.

Lachlan said,
It is to bad.. my mom runs a doctors office and she didnt want to upgrade because her medical programs are super old and she was told they would only work on XP from the medical software company. I got her to upgrade to windows 7 and showed her how to run it in compatibility mode.. Its hard for small business's because not only do they need to upgrade the OS but also alot of the programs that are super expensive that go with them.. I think it has alot to do with this being a post economic crash and its these old business's that cant afford to upgrade.

And what happens when that medical program breaks down, database gets corrupt, etc... your mom calls the software company for support... you know what response she'll get? Sorry, you're running it in an unsupported configuration, we cannot support you, go away.

Businesses cannot risk running critical applications on Windows 7 if they are not supported to run on Windows 7 by the software provider. They would just be asking for trouble.

Lachlan said,
It is to bad.. my mom runs a doctors office and she didnt want to upgrade because her medical programs are super old and she was told they would only work on XP from the medical software company. I got her to upgrade to windows 7 and showed her how to run it in compatibility mode.. Its hard for small business's because not only do they need to upgrade the OS but also alot of the programs that are super expensive that go with them.. I think it has alot to do with this being a post economic crash and its these old business's that cant afford to upgrade.

She was lucky enough to get it run... I have a dad's friend, that not even using VMWare could do that .

That's not a valid argument. There's a lot of people who use their car two or three times a week, to go to the store (not even a mile from their home), and they're not using a 40 years old car.

retire xp? common there is still a ton of companies that use windows 3.11! heck I've seen a few places that have Apple ]['s running factory machines! One of England's top textile companies still uses Apple ]['s to control weaving looms!

Stewart Gilligan Griffin said,
retire xp? common there is still a ton of companies that use windows 3.11! heck I've seen a few places that have Apple ]['s running factory machines! One of England's top textile companies still uses Apple ]['s to control weaving looms!

Sure, but it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require security fixes. I'm a NOC operator for a well-known candian Internet/VoIP/TV provider. Some of our servers (and computers used to control "Clear Paths" still use Win95... I will not be surprised the day these machines bring a lot of troubles to the company...

Windows Vista isn't that bad now, in 2011, with the Service Pack and all the updates installed. Not as snappy as W7, but we're far from what this OS was the day it was released in 2007 (unstable, no drivers, slow, heavy, etc.)

There's a lot of misconceptions about Vista that are based on what was the OS at the beginning.

I'm a W7 Ultimate x64 / Mac OS X / Ububtu user right now and I'm really happy with these systems, but if I had to chose between XP and Vista, I'd take Vista without any hesitation: Vista is a modern OS, XP isn't.

myxomatosis said,
Windows Vista isn't that bad now, in 2011, with the Service Pack and all the updates installed. Not as snappy as W7, but we're far from what this OS was the day it was released in 2007 (unstable, no drivers, slow, heavy, etc.)

Windows Vista wasn't unstable. Crappy drivers and god awful OEM bloatware was. Neither of which were Microsoft's problem.

Vista itself was solid as a rock.

myxomatosis said,
Windows Vista isn't that bad now, in 2011,

You said it. But it is illogical to upgrade to Windows Vista, rather than 7.

Should have been 100% retired the day win7 came out, can't keep catering to the few idiots out there that refuse to upgrade to a better OS

z0phi3l said,
Should have been 100% retired the day win7 came out, can't keep catering to the few idiots out there that refuse to upgrade to a better OS

There are people in the world that only use a PC for email and simple web searches.
You're asking them to buy a new OS and install it themselves just to keep you happy...

MichaelJTKnox said,

There are people in the world that only use a PC for email and simple web searches.
You're asking them to buy a new OS and install it themselves just to keep you happy...

it is true.. I wonder if microsoft will ever consider giving out windows 7 starter away for free after windows 8 comes out.. or the windows 8 starter version.. just something that runs the basic OS without anything special.

z0phi3l said,
Should have been 100% retired the day win7 came out, can't keep catering to the few idiots out there that refuse to upgrade to a better OS
Refuse? People are REFUSING Windows 7? What? Is MS giving out free copies of Windows now? Where can I get one?

z0phi3l said,
Should have been 100% retired the day win7 came out, can't keep catering to the few idiots out there that refuse to upgrade to a better OS

Not an idiot by any means. I have no desire to replace a system that still works. Unless some generous individual would like to pay for my upgrade.

Lachlan said,

it is true.. I wonder if microsoft will ever consider giving out windows 7 starter away for free after windows 8 comes out.. or the windows 8 starter version.. just something that runs the basic OS without anything special.


Exactly, and free support to go with it!

MS Lose32 said,
Refuse? People are REFUSING Windows 7? What? Is MS giving out free copies of Windows now? Where can I get one?

No, but MS gave a right to downgrade to XP.

z0phi3l said,
Should have been 100% retired the day win7 came out, can't keep catering to the few idiots out there that refuse to upgrade to a better OS

But what about those people who run 1st or 2nd generation netbooks? Id run XP over 7 starter anyday, hell Id run linux over 7 starter

I can bet even after Windows 8 release some people won't move from Windows XP. Just lose a grip and accept it's old and try change.

TechDudeGeorge said,
I can bet even after Windows 8 release some people won't move from Windows XP. Just lose a grip and accept it's old and try change.

its just that its not easy for some elderly people to figure out how to do a clean install and everything from XP.. I hope that from 7 to 8 is like as easy as downloading a service pack

TechDudeGeorge said,
I can bet even after Windows 8 release some people won't move from Windows XP. Just lose a grip and accept it's old and try change.

well my friends XP for some reason stopped working, i told him to get win7, and his brother says stuff doesn't run in win7 and crap like that. i told my friend to stop talking about his windows since his brother makes me mad, because i got win7 and i run more stuff than his brother and i havent had any problem, more than old dos games i can run in dosbox and with my videocam but i can use xp mode to access to it, and some games like AoE3 but a patch fixes it.

i even told him, it boots faster and it would run good in his computer, but his brother is being annoying about win7. of course my friend wants to install it but oh well, his brother is not helping

Lachlan said,

its just that its not easy for some elderly people to figure out how to do a clean install and everything from XP.. I hope that from 7 to 8 is like as easy as downloading a service pack

I think to some elderly people it's challenging enough just to figure what this "Windows" thing is and what in the world it has to do with their computer.

MS Lose32 said,
I think to some elderly people it's challenging enough just to figure what this "Windows" thing is and what in the world it has to do with their computer.

I think Windows 8 will actually be easier for them. Just click on the big tile that says Internet Explorer and then you are away.

(And in before people comment, yes the immersive UI WILL be default on Desktops/Laptops).

TechDudeGeorge said,
I can bet even after Windows 8 release some people won't move from Windows XP. Just lose a grip and accept it's old and try change.

I'm currently typing from my windows embedded PC, it's basically similar to XP fundamentals but is more concise to this hardware and needs reinstalling every 180 days. This PC is just used for the net, and as a capture input for my games systems. Why would I want to upgrade it to windows 7 when:
1) there are no drivers for this TV card for windows 7
2) the change in TCP/IP means it doesn't support streaming to my GC
3) it would go even slower than it already does, it's a 2.5Ghz single-core celeron

Obviously none of the above would effect businesses (well, it might) but your question isn't business relevent.

robert_dll said,

Source?

Almost every reviewer including Paul Thurrott who has insider sources said so. Plus Sinfosky and Julie Green mentioned the new Metro UI works just as well with a mouse and keyboard.

I personally can't wait to use the immersive UI on my laptop and desktop.

sam17ub said,
Almost every reviewer including Paul Thurrott who has insider sources said so. Plus Sinfosky and Julie Green mentioned the new Metro UI works just as well with a mouse and keyboard.

Didn't know that thanks but I guess that could change, we will see it when Win8 gets released

flexkeyboard said,
....

There are a number of improvements in 7 over Vista.

Since Stephen L Rose is urging the customers on the oldest supported OS to upgrade, I can understand why there was no mention.

When Windows 8 drops, expect the push to be getting Vista users to upgrade, both of them.

flexkeyboard said,
"(no mention at all of Windows Vista)"

Give it a rest john, getting old.


Not to mention that the company's main focus is actually Windows 7 besides the fact that Vista was a PR disaster, but not a technical one imo.

robert_dll said,

Not to mention that the company's main focus is actually Windows 7 besides the fact that Vista was a PR disaster, but not a technical one imo.

I notice there is not even a mention if the Company is planning a Service Pack 3 for Vista. If you were to do a Windows Update on a post SP2 Windows Vista system, you would be spending a long time updating that system.

Whats interesting is, Microsoft seems to be planning a future of Windows 7 and Windows 8 co-existence. So even years well into Windows 8's release, Microsoft might still retail Windows 7 for those who want it.

dotf said,

There are a number of improvements in 7 over Vista.

Since Stephen L Rose is urging the customers on the oldest supported OS to upgrade, I can understand why there was no mention.

When Windows 8 drops, expect the push to be getting Vista users to upgrade, both of them.

exactly.. its like if apple wanted to get people upgrade old phones they would tell them to try to Iphone 4 not the 3GS.. a company is obiously going to push for them to move to 7 because I think its gotten to the point that ppl dont understand why they are not upgrading..

I know it cost money but like a hundred bucks to make your computer brand new and more effecient is nothing.. especially since people will go out and spend 100 bucks on something like paper/ink for their office

Mr. Dee said,

I notice there is not even a mention if the Company is planning a Service Pack 3 for Vista. If you were to do a Windows Update on a post SP2 Windows Vista system, you would be spending a long time updating that system.

Don't think it twice.... It is coming... Maybe this end of year or spring of the next.

flexkeyboard said,
"(no mention at all of Windows Vista)"

Give it a rest john, getting old.

I think what he's getting at is : nobody is going to buy Vista since 7 (and soon 8) is out.
Now that Vista is up to date with SP2, it's a very very good OS. It's just that it doesn't matter because 7 is out. Nobody remembers that XP was a pile of garbage for its first 2.5-3 years of life, very similar to Windows Vista.