Microsoft to Announce Linux Partnership

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Microsoft is due to make a special announcement later today regarding a partnership with Novell.

"Under the pact, which isn't final, Microsoft will offer sales support of Suse Linux, a version of the operating system sold by Novell. The two companies have also agreed to develop technologies to make it easier for users to run both Suse Linux and Microsoft's Windows on their computers. The two companies are expected to announce details of their plan today at a press conference in San Francisco.

In addition, Microsoft won't assert rights over patents over software technology that may be incorporated into Suse Linux, the people said. Businesses that use Linux have long worried that Microsoft would one day file patent infringement suits against sellers of the rival software.

The pact marks an unusual level of cooperation between two longtime rivals. Microsoft has been battling all versions of Linux, but has faced pressure to assure that customers can run both Windows and Linux without problems. "

Microsoft has issued a media alert confirming that CEO Steve Ballmer will make an announcement today.

View: Media Alert: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to Deliver Industry Announcement Today

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nw_raptor that was the first thing i thought of also regards XGL desktop! lol it sure puts Vistas lame attempt to shame. (and its FREE)

Its the only thing I can think of why they want to get all snuggly to Novell.

(im a dual user) XP/Vista/Ubuntu 6.10/6.06/Suse 10.1 this "announcment" has me intrigued. Novell should do them a deal XGL tech for Direct X tech :P

Quote - Mando said @ #22
nw_raptor that was the first thing i thought of also regards XGL desktop! lol it sure puts Vistas lame attempt to shame. (and its FREE)

Its the only thing I can think of why they want to get all snuggly to Novell.

(im a dual user) XP/Vista/Ubuntu 6.10/6.06/Suse 10.1 this "announcment" has me intrigued. Novell should do them a deal XGL tech for Direct X tech :P

1. What's lame about aero?


2. XGL appears to do a really bad job with antialiasing. I haven't seen it in action, but I've seen screenshots, with AA supposedly enabled, that looked really bad.

Quote - freeeekyyy said @ #22.1

1. What's lame about aero?


2. XGL appears to do a really bad job with antialiasing. I haven't seen it in action, but I've seen screenshots, with AA supposedly enabled, that looked really bad.

XGL is still only supported directly with driver options in Beta drivers with NVcards bud atm. Previous driver releaes required Compiz/Beryl. I cant say for ATI cards due to not owning any.
Videos dont exactly show off XGL in all its glory bud AA (x16) looks fine on my 21" tft and 7800GT 512mbr. The AA is implemented by the drivers for the cards and not by XGL itself.

As far as Aero goes the performance hit is higher than the hit i get from XGL and openGL games in *nix on the same hardware. To me Aero feels "bloated" on a code level, which the system requirements re-inforce this.

1) Aero needs a beefy gfx card to run it but XGL will run happily on an Intel 915.

2) To really do anything with Aero Glass, Microsoft says you'll need a DirectX 9-compliant 3D 128-MB video card that supports Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware and includes (WDDM (Windows Device Driver Model) driver. Practically speaking, that means you'll need a 2006-vintage 3D graphics card. The effects in Aero are decent enough but to me the graphic overheads required is too high. Hence calling it "lame"

Essentially both are just eye candy they dont increase productivity.

I think you mean 2004-vintage. The GeForce 6 series and 9600+ series of video cards do quite well in the 2.0 shader department.

Nah... All they want is to put their hands on XGL and Novell's employees :P Hmm, I'm actually joking, but it sounds possible ;)

Next thing you know, they'll buy off Novell and just drop Suse/openSuse.

Hell has frozen over, once again. Anyways, I thought Balmer said that Linux was a "cancer". Why the change of heart?

Quote - MrA said @ #1
Hell has frozen over, once again. Anyways, I thought Balmer said that Linux was a "cancer".

If Linux is a cancer, then Windows is a festering corpse that should have been buried years ago.

This is great news for the community. Microsoft is growing up and living by their do less evil motto. I wonder if this could cripple the Apple marketshare. No offense to Apple users as they do have great products, but they are acting like the Microsoft of old. The fact that they don't disclose TPM on new Macbooks is a shining example of this.

This makes me wonder if some GPL issues are going to arise. :\


It's nice and all that Microsoft is getting warm and fuzzy, but of course, I'm sure there is something else that they are going to be going after, or want to use, or some off the wall thing that will screw us somehow.

Quote - Aleck79 said @ #18
pfft, why Vista when you can :

What if MS does do something like that? They don't really have anything to lose if they can sell it the way Apple sells BSD.

Quote - toadeater said @ #18.1

What if MS does do something like that? They don't really have anything to lose if they can sell it the way Apple sells BSD.

Why go for Linux when they can embance OpenSolaris, which is even more scalable, functional, fast, consistant etc; bolt a DirectX accelerated GUI ontop, go banana's with .NET, and voila, push out a brand new OS with none of the baggage.

Golly, how will this affect their 'Get The Facts' campaign?

My faith in Microsoft is shaken. As soon as this is official I am going to go have my Microsoft tattoo removed... with a harsh acid or cheese grater.

Great, now their linked with SUSE (Novell) maybe they will produce a Netware client to allow Vista to access a Netware Server or resurrect the the old NWLINK.

BigBrit

That comment doesn't really fit. How much market share does Linux have? Now if Apple & Microsoft was teaming up, I could believe that because Apple is gaining market share, but Linux isn't gaining no where near the amount of Apple, so that comment doesn't fit at all. At least, not in my opinion...

Quote - Hurmoth said @ #1.1
That comment doesn't really fit. How much market share does Linux have? Now if Apple & Microsoft was teaming up, I could believe that because Apple is gaining market share, but Linux isn't gaining no where near the amount of Apple, so that comment doesn't fit at all. At least, not in my opinion...

What does Apple have to do with this? Linux is a product, Apple is a company. I don't understand what market you're talking about. Linux beats OSX in the desktop OS market and I'm not sure about servers but I would assume it's beating it there, too. My comment was aimed toward the fact that Microsoft has been bitching and bashing Linux for years because they weren't getting the attention it was in the media. They had no other choice but to accept it.

Quote - h3xis said @ #8.2
What does Apple have to do with this? Linux is a product, Apple is a company. I don't understand what market you're talking about. Linux beats OSX in the desktop OS market and I'm not sure about servers but I would assume it's beating it there, too. My comment was aimed toward the fact that Microsoft has been bitching and bashing Linux for years because they weren't getting the attention it was in the media. They had no other choice but to accept it.

Apple as in Mac OS, that's the only OS Apple has and Mac OS has been beating Linux for years. When has Linux EVER had more desktop users (market share) than Mac OS (Apple)? Never. And Microsoft beats both of them.

Quote - Hurmoth said @ #8.3
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When has Linux EVER had more desktop users (market share) than Mac OS (Apple)? Never.
MacSlash, June 2003
MacMinute, August 2004
Both found in a 15-second google search.

Now, with the iPod effect, combined with renewed advertising & interest with the switch to Intel, Apple's sales have increased dramatically, so that has swung back, but perhaps you don't remember back to the glory days of Apple ][e, followed by the revolutionary original Macs, all filling the computer labs of educational institutions around the country... then the awful plummet under Sculley. Things haven't always been like they have been for the past couple of years.

Quote - markjensen said @ #8.4
MacSlash, June 2003
MacMinute, August 2004
Both found in a 15-second google search.

Now, with the iPod effect, combined with renewed advertising & interest with the switch to Intel, Apple's sales have increased dramatically, so that has swung back, but perhaps you don't remember back to the glory days of Apple ][e, followed by the revolutionary original Macs, all filling the computer labs of educational institutions around the country... then the awful plummet under Sculley. Things haven't always been like they have been for the past couple of years.


Fair enough. I had looked on Google, but didn't see that. My apologies

Isn't OSX just another GUI for nix?

As far as MS / nix partnership, it make good sence. The largest portion of web servers are running Apache on nix boxes, followed by IIS on MS boxes. Microsoft has the largest slice of the corp network pie. With expanding remote networking it makes a hell of a lot of sence.

Quote - MazX_Napalm said @ #8.6
Isn't OSX just another GUI for nix?

As far as MS / nix partnership, it make good sence. The largest portion of web servers are running Apache on nix boxes, followed by IIS on MS boxes. Microsoft has the largest slice of the corp network pie. With expanding remote networking it makes a hell of a lot of sence.

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Make a million off Windows 2003 sales, million off a few payments from Linux companies; in the end, its all good; they're bringing in the cash, and that all that matters at the end of the day.

Quote - advancedboy said @ #4.1
Actually, since Sony is putting Yellow Dog in PS3, I was kinda thinking SuSE for 360?

DirectX for Linux would be interesting.

Somehow this doesn't feel right..... Gives me the impression that Novell (and Linux in general) should watch their back... Microsoft is famous for pulling a fast one.

If they aren't trying to continue their reign of terror, then this is really good news.

I see two possibilities.

1) They see Novell as a has-been and non-threat. Their motive is to score PR points for pretending to collaborate with a Linux vendor, while actually doing little-to-nothing.

2) They are serious and picked Novell because they realized they could dominate and run-over them, in other words set the agenda and pick all the fruits. They might actually intent to improve Windows/Linux interoperability in server environments (among other things), but I highly doubt we'll ever see a MS Linux distro.

The day that MS has to distribute Linux, along with ported apps, is the same day MS goes away (out of biz). If it ever gets to that point, MS is in trouble beyond repair and Linux certainly won't save them. Such a "day" is not within feasible reality at this point.

Quote - dnstest said @ #1.2
I see two possibilities.

1) They see Novell as a has-been and non-threat. Their motive is to score PR points for pretending to collaborate with a Linux vendor, while actually doing little-to-nothing.

2) They are serious and picked Novell because they realized they could dominate and run-over them, in other words set the agenda and pick all the fruits. They might actually intent to improve Windows/Linux interoperability in server environments (among other things), but I highly doubt we'll ever see a MS Linux distro.

The day that MS has to distribute Linux, along with ported apps, is the same day MS goes away (out of biz). If it ever gets to that point, MS is in trouble beyond repair and Linux certainly won't save them. Such a "day" is not within feasible reality at this point.

Or how about the bloody obvious; Novell is creative a .NET clone - aka Mono, and want to be able to re-implement features that are patented, without worrying about legal action; they might also want to add support for Windows Media formats - it isn't new, TurboLinux provides Windows Media support already. IIRC, the cost is only something like $10 per unit in regards to Windows Media licencing.

This announcement is a win-win for the IT industry and consumers because it will provide greater choice and peace of mind: greater choice to deploy the best of open source and proprietary software side-by-side, and peace of mind with respect to liabilities resulting from intellectual property protections.