Microsoft to Buy Logitech?

There's loud whispers in the business community that Logitech, makers of (among other things) fine console and PC gaming peripherals, are about to be bought out by Microsoft. Neither side will comment publicly on the rumours, however one trader has offered this brilliant quote:

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Supposedly, Microsoft is supposed to be taking over Logitech, offering 48 francs a share. Then the mouse-maker would be worth around 10 billion francs.

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I did that for a reason which I answered at the same time I did it;

I don't have a problem with this. I do own many Logitech products and I love them...their hardware that is...I absolutely HATE their bloated software and find Microsoft's stock software and other 3rd party software to be superior at driving Logitech's products, especially in Vista...so I really don't care one way or the other really as this wouldn't change a thing for me as long as the hardware was built to the same standards.

And why all the whys from me? Because almost every person against this, in typical anti-MS form, have a drive by response with no reason. Why? They don't know why.

Thanks for noticing tho :P

why do you assume it's some instinctive anti-ms reaction. Many people would be concerned if the two top companies in any market decided to merge. I doubt you would see alot of people jumping for joy if AMD and Intel came together or NVidia and ATI (before the amd buyout). Besides, those that gave reasons typically are saying it's not because they dislike MS but because they dislike MS hardware or at least find logitechs better and would prefer for MS to not get a hold of them.

And just because people didn't state a reason doesn't mean they didn't have one. Enough reasons have already been given as to why one may not want the companies to merge so jumping on those that didn't feel like saying a whole lot isnt necessary.

If you read the comments (a good example: "Microsoft is evil") you would understand that a lot of people against this are simply letting their irrational anti-Microsoft commentary surface with no logical reason to oppose the idea.

If it's a matter of personal taste, fine. But the pointless, bias-based comments really take away from what could have been a more meaningful discussion.

Anyone notice that solardog has posted the single-word response Why? in separate posts no less than 6 TIMES already?

I would ask why myself, but I hate the ****ing word now. :P

GFree said,
Anyone notice that solardog has posted the single-word response Why? in separate posts no less than 6 TIMES already?

I would ask why myself, but I hate the ****ing word now. :P

It's because of all the "OMG NO!" posts with no explanation... it WAS getting really irritating...

GreyWolfSC said,

It's because of all the "OMG NO!" posts with no explanation... it WAS getting really irritating...

I'm not sure spamming the word "why" at every negative response is really any better but. It's not like people HAVE to provide an explanation and to be honest, theres enough post covering reasons why one wouldnt want the merger that any explanation would likely just be a repetition of something elsewhere.

Please include built in functionalty for all mouse features without having to install logitech crap.

Speakers I have heard even cheap-ish logitech ones for less than £30 sound far superior to anything else Ive heard, although they are maybe a little too bassy.

what about speakers? you guys have only been talking about mice and keyboards, id like to know what will happen to the line of logitech speakers

Achal said,
what about speakers? you guys have only been talking about mice and keyboards, id like to know what will happen to the line of logitech speakers

Exactly, Logitech speakers are easily the best product they make - reviews of the current range are nothing short of excellent.

I prefer microsoft mice and from personal experience dislike logitech products. It will kill all the competion however

Munkyman said,
I prefer microsoft mice and from personal experience dislike logitech products. It will kill all the competion however :ermm:

There will still be Razor (even though they co-operate with Microsoft) and Apple in the scene, and lots of smaller producers (don't know if Creative still makes control devices) who concentrate on cheap and basic mice and keyboards (which in my experience is the biggest mice/keyboard market).

On the audio and other peripheral side however there will still be plenty of competition.

This is good news for me. I've always liked Microsoft's ergonomics and software better but the techinal side of their hardware has been far worse than Logitech's. If this happens I hope they will make hardware with Logitech's engines and Microsoft's covers.

And I don't get all the nos people are saying. Do you people really think that anything Microsoft touches automatically turns into the biggest pile of crap ever? That's just very silly. Microsoft is as dedicated to bring quality hardware (and software) as Logitech. Microsoft has more products (and wider range) so of course they have more problems. But Logitech isn't perfect either. Grow up people.

Mixed feelings about this. Both offer very good gaming peripherals. I've had my fair share of issues with Logitech, mainly the G7 cordless mouse which i had for less then a year and then all of the sudden just stopped working, and few Logitech keyboards here and there. However, not saying they are crap, i have a G15 keyboard and Logitech Z-5500 surround speakers and they have been absolutely awesome.

One can only hope MS will then bash some heads in and stop Logitech from trying to churn out 50MB MOUSE DRIVER packages. That's just ****in' silly.

I don't really like the current mice from either company. The thumb buttons are in an uncomfortable position (I prefer them down rather than up, like on the old Mouseman Wheel Optical I use) and the shapes could be better. Those smooth scroll wheels and 4-way wheels are a good idea though.

Haahaa, cute.

I assumed that Microsoft's history more than spoke for itself.

/shrug

I may be wrong, but, I don't think this is going to help anyone but Microsoft, and last I checked, Microsoft didn't need any help.

Burst404 said,
Haahaa, cute.

I assumed that Microsoft's history more than spoke for itself.

/shrug

I may be wrong, but, I don't think this is going to help anyone but Microsoft, and last I checked, Microsoft didn't need any help.


Microsoft don't need help, they are rich.

Anyway, i think we should wait to see what will happen.

I agree completely.

This could, if they play there cards right, be a blessing in disguise... Or a horrible failure.

I hope for the best for both companies, but I'm hesitant due to Microsoft's shaky past.

/crosses fingers

EL1TE said,
People which say Crap without any Reason = LAMERS
You = LAMER

Quiet the keyboard warrior aren't you. Do you call people names to their face too?

TRC said,

Quiet the keyboard warrior aren't you. Do you call people names to their face too?


If is necessary SURE.

Anyway, think this way. You make a new software, which become very popular, but there's always people which don't like, then they throw in your face "that proggie is better, bla bla, this is crap!" But they give no reasons, so, what name do you give them?

PS: At least i hope they made better software for Windows than Logitech actually do (SetPoint).

lol
well maybe with the money they put it they would come out with more cool stuff
ive got the Revolution mouse and the novo keyboard, both really cool!

This would be a sad day for the SimRacing community. Logitech makes by far the best bang for the buck wheel/pedals/shifter (G25). I could see Microsoft killing off wheels all together. I have read before that some of the Logitech execs are into SimRacing which may explain why they go to such lengths to make a good wheel. Please let this not be true.

Well... my Logitech s510 wireless keyboard lags like hell.. whereas my mate's Belkin wireless keyboard is tip-top.
If it didn't lag it'd be a real solid product, though.

But then again-my old optical Logitech mouse is still running.. sold it to my mate and he's still got it. Mind you, I think some of the plastic feet have come off.

I hope that, if this does happen, as others have mentioned above, Microsoft sticks with the software end and leaves the Logitech engineers to the hardware. I have only ever used Logitech mice at home. I've had 4 over the last 8 years. They all still work, I've just upgraded them over time.

We use Microsoft mice at work and they are horrid. They feel cheap, don't fit your hand, the forward/back buttons are in an awkward position (I'm constantly hitting them by accident), and in the last year, I've gone through 3 of them.

Why, solardog asks? Because I've purchased two Logitech mice, both wireless optical. One's lasted 5 years, and the other one's lasted 2 years, and they're both going on strong. I've also purchased two MS mices, and the constructed just feels shoddy, and is totally not on par with Logitech mice.

But i don't know about speakers or webcams or anything. Just the mice. :P

I agree with you, I love their stuff, but I don't like their software and if MS doesn't change the hardware side of it i think we win because, IMO, MS drivers give all the functionality to the Logitech hardware with none of the bloat....my G5 works magnificently with no Setpoint in site.

Oh my god please no. Logitech is a really devoted company to quality hardware and not just marketing bullcrap with new stupid stuff we don't really need or unuseful crap. I love logitech products cause they work the way they should and are efficient, unlike many products that microsoft releases. Logitech really focuses on this kind of things like quality keyboards, mouses, speakers, etc. Microsoft will just want to put **** quickly together to release crap all the time and try to get more people to buy it.

True.

but i know why, because all they know is say crap about Microsoft but with no reason (oh noes, M$ suxs, but i'm uxing Widowz).

Whatever, they need to spam, or they die.

Most of the Microsoft products I've bought have been junk. I bought two Intellimouse Explorer's when they came out, and the cable on both of them shorted out. Got them replaced, cable shorted again on one and the left button stopped working on the other. And no I wasn't jerking the cables, flinging my cat around on them or anything else. Bought a set of Microsoft USB speakers...discontinued after Windows 98 so no XP support. Thanks Microsoft. If their products don't tear up they discontinue them. Meanwhile I've had absolutely no problems with any of my Logitech products. The mouse I bought years ago to replace the piece of junk Intellimouse is still working flawlessly.

How about another reason, competition. If Microsoft buys them there will be one less company out there making products to compete with them. I don't think anyone can say that's a good thing. Now have you calmed down yet, is that enough reasons for you?

I went through three wireless notebook mice last year and when the third died I decided to switch to Logitech. I came across the VX Nano. This is by far the best mouse for a notebook. I can operate the laptop from over 30ft away. The MS mice work well when they weren't broken but the range sucked. Sucked as in I had to make sure I plugged the wireless receiver into a USB port on the right side of the computer so the distance to the mouse was under 6in. On a brand new set of batteries it would have about 3ft of range but that range would drop of very fast. When my Logitech started flashing the light to tell me the batteries where getting low I decided to test the range again and was still able to operate from over 30ft. The batteries lasted another 3 weeks after the warning light started flashing. BTW I am in IT so this mouse moves all day long every day.

Yeah, there is a reason why we don't like this idea. This is coming from someone who typically defends MS too.

TRC said,
Most of the Microsoft products I've bought have been junk. I bought two Intellimouse Explorer's when they came out, and the cable on both of them shorted out. Got them replaced, cable shorted again on one and the left button stopped working on the other. And no I wasn't jerking the cables, flinging my cat around on them or anything else. Bought a set of Microsoft USB speakers...discontinued after Windows 98 so no XP support. Thanks Microsoft. If their products don't tear up they discontinue them. Meanwhile I've had absolutely no problems with any of my Logitech products. The mouse I bought years ago to replace the piece of junk Intellimouse is still working flawlessly.

You are so smart. If MS products are junk why do you buy them?

Well, if the first product was junk why you did you buy another product from MS?

I bought them before I knew they were junk, I don't buy them any more. The replacements were free from Microsoft because they were under warranty. Any more questions? :cheeky:

TRC said,
I bought them before I knew they were junk, I don't buy them any more. The replacements were free from Microsoft because they were under warranty. Any more questions? :cheeky:

Well, in my case when i buy a thing which became junk (become or is, lol), then was the last time i have spend money on a product of the same Company.

PS: If you guys are worried because MS (maybe) will buy Logitech, then run (those which think the "fusion" will be crap) to the shops and buy Logitech products. :P

TRC said,
Most of the Microsoft products I've bought have been junk. I bought two Intellimouse Explorer's when they came out, and the cable on both of them shorted out. Got them replaced, cable shorted again on one and the left button stopped working on the other. And no I wasn't jerking the cables, flinging my cat around on them or anything else. Bought a set of Microsoft USB speakers...discontinued after Windows 98 so no XP support. Thanks Microsoft. If their products don't tear up they discontinue them. Meanwhile I've had absolutely no problems with any of my Logitech products. The mouse I bought years ago to replace the piece of junk Intellimouse is still working flawlessly.

How about another reason, competition. If Microsoft buys them there will be one less company out there making products to compete with them. I don't think anyone can say that's a good thing. Now have you calmed down yet, is that enough reasons for you?

I had the same problem with my MS optical mouse. The cord screwed up where it attaches to the mouse. They sent me a new one in 3 days and I haven't had a problem with it since. They didn't even want me to send the old one back. It was a problem at the manufacturer kinda like the scratched iPod screen problem people were having. Fabrication problems occur with every company in every industry.

EL1TE said,
True.

but i know why, because all they know is say crap about Microsoft but with no reason (oh noes, M$ suxs, but i'm uxing Widowz).

Whatever, they need to spam, or they die. :rolleyes:

The reason we buy Logitech products instead of Microsoft products is because the former are better designed, more durable and cheaper. When corporations buy other companies the smaller one always gets dissolved into the larger whole and its products typically suffer or are discontinued entirely. That is why we don't like the idea of Microsoft buying them up genius.

ANova said,
When corporations buy other companies the smaller one always gets dissolved into the larger whole and its products typically suffer or are discontinued entirely. That is why we don't like the idea of Microsoft buying them up genius.

So you guys think Logitech will die if Microsoft buy it? haha, nice one.

Did SysInternals die? No, they have released new builds of their excellent applications, which didn't happen regularly before Microsoft buy them.

HOWEVER, when AMD buyed ATI all i can see is crap coming from ATI, and i think ATI wasn't so smaller than AMD before.

Since Microsoft is what we know on the Software world, maybe they want to have a good place on the hardware world (?).

Anyway, i think we need to wait to see what will happen.

PS: The problem is not if Logitech dies, because it will won't happen (Since Microsoft has money and i0m sure they won't spend money to throw them out of the window), the problem is if some people get fired because this, but maybe this will bring more places for people to work (i hope).

I don't have a problem with this. I do own many Logitech products and I love them...their hardware that is...I absolutely HATE their bloated software and find Microsoft's stock software and other 3rd party software to be superior at driving Logitech's products, especially in Vista...so I really don't care one way or the other really as this wouldn't change a thing for me as long as the hardware was built to the same standards.

And why all the whys from me? Because almost every person against this, in typical anti-MS form, have a drive by response with no reason. Why? They don't know why.

solardog said,
And why all the whys from me? Because almost every person against this, in typical anti-MS form, have a drive by response with no reason. Why? They don't know why.

Exactly.

solardog said,
Why?

Why? My first laser mouse I bought from logitech in 99 still works... my microsoft keyboard i bought a year ago died.

Thats why.

shockz said,

Why? My first laser mouse I bought from logitech in 99 still works... my microsoft keyboard i bought a year ago died.

Thats why.

One keyboard should never keep you from buying again. Try the 7000 series MS Bluetooth mouse and keyboard set. Well worth it and very dependable.

solardog said,
Why?

Most hardware of Logitech works fine and out of the box in Linux (specially some of the webcams, afaik).
You can't say the same of Microsoft hardware.

shockz said,

Why? My first laser mouse I bought from logitech in 99 still works... my microsoft keyboard i bought a year ago died.

Thats why.

Both companies are good. Logitech has better gaming-oriented hardware, but the hardware Microsoft produces are rock solid. You had one keyboard go bad; that doesn't make Microsoft a worse hardware company. It means you were one of the unlucky ones that got a bad keyboard. Welcome to the world of technology; it happens.

I'm a customer of both companies, and I've had little problem with either. My first edition Intellimouse Explorer still works like it did the day I got it, and the Microsoft keyboard that came with a computer I bought in 2000 works like a charm. I can say the same thing for the Logitech mice, keyboards, and speakers I have as well.

I do have an issue with Logitech's software support, but a buyout like this could be good in that aspect.

I seriously hope this insn't true this will definitely be the demise of Logitech. I will sadly have to turn to an other company for my computer mice and keyboards if this happens.

So Microsoft owning it is enough to stop you from buying their products, even though you have absolutely no idea how it would affect them?
Aren't you cutting off your nose to spite your face?

solardog said,
Why?

Because like many have said, MS does make decent mice and keyboards, but are too fragile, Logitech makes quality equipment that lasts

No matter how badly you want it to be, MS is just going to eat up and kill the Logitech name and release subpar equipment that looks like Logitech gear.

"if this is true than Logitech has lost me as a customer"

Yes, and Microsoft has gained you because the Logitech name would cease to exist.

I absolutely love Logitech's hardware (well, their medium/high-end stuff at least), but I think their software could use a LOT of work. I've had all sorts of problems with setpoint, but my MX1000 is so good I wouldn't change it for anything.
To that end, if this is true, then hopefully Microsoft will improve on the software side of things and leave the company to do what they do best - make excellent hardware.

I don't think it will be too bad if this were to happen. Microsoft Hardware products always seem to be quite good imo. Join that with Logitech and the result could be very good indeed.

I'm torn here - I really hate Logitech's software and drivers, but I really love the hardware and the warranty. I hope if MS buys them out they fire the software developers and write their own drivers and software.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I used to buy only microsoft products because they had good ideas on the mice and keybaords, but found out shortly that like many MS products, they break quickly. I then switched to logitech, and though their mice might not have all the nifty features as the MS mice, the product still works, 2 years later. The only way this will be good is if MS puts their ideas on the parts logitech uses, and then builds it the same was as logitech, so that the product will last.

Heh. You need to try MS's new 7000, 8000 Bluetooth packages. Soooo much better than Logitechs Bluetooth stuff. And, mine hasn't broken yet.

I'm still using my Logitech MX700 mouse I bought at 2004. Its working flawlessly eventhough quite worn out. I would never ever buy a non-logitech mouse.

I still have my Microsot Wheel Mouse Optical from ca. 2001, works great. The best mouse I have.

shakey said,
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I used to buy only microsoft products because they had good ideas on the mice and keybaords, but found out shortly that like many MS products, they break quickly. I then switched to logitech, and though their mice might not have all the nifty features as the MS mice, the product still works, 2 years later. The only way this will be good is if MS puts their ideas on the parts logitech uses, and then builds it the same was as logitech, so that the product will last.

I'm still using my old Microsoft "ball" wheel mouse that I bought in 1999. Works flawlessly. Microsoft makes some of the most durable peripherals in the industry.

Glad to see your Logitech has lasted 2 years. Hopefully it will last a little longer.

stezo2k said,
francs? i thought france used euros

Yes, France does use euros, however, this might be a Swiss article as Switzerland is still using their currency also called "francs"

+1

My keyboard, mouse, Headphones are Logitech, and i haven't experience ANY problem with it.

I've compared Logitech speakers against the Creative ones, and the sound from Logitech speakers are a lot powerful and clear.

Anyway, if Microsoft buy Logitech doesn't mean Logitech will get a new name or even will be crap.

So? Why would MS buying them ruin it? I'm sure MS would want to keep what makes Logitech so amazing. And help them with parts that aren't so amazing (drivers...)

Oompa said,
So? Why would MS buying them ruin it? I'm sure MS would want to keep what makes Logitech so amazing. And help them with parts that aren't so amazing (drivers...)

They could pull a Symantec. Which is to buy and kill off the product in favor of their own, or add their own bloatware to it.

toadeater said,

They could pull a Symantec. Which is to buy and kill off the product in favor of their own, or add their own bloatware to it.


Or they could pull an Adobe/Macromedia where they kill off some of their own products and retain the better tools between the two companies and merge the product lines.

That or Logitech could still compete as it's own subsidary as Alienware did when Dell bought them.

Who really knows what they would do. I'd like to retain the Logitech keyboards and mice at least. Webcams I don't care about and theres no reason they would want to touch their speakers market. Logitech may also be useful for their MP3 player accessories devision in getting them to make Zune products. Headphones may also be a product MS may be interested in for the Xbox and Windows Mobile (bluetooth headsets).

But yeah, just keep the keyboard and mice and I'm happy.

Because it reduces competition in the market, which isn't a good thing when the two biggest peripheral makers are Logitech and Microsoft. I like the products both companies produce but I wouldn't want them to merge for the sake of the market.

well it wouldn't ruin the logitech brand if microsoft bought logitech and kept it as a subsidiary and allowing logitech to operation without intervention of ms

OnyxAlien said,
Microsoft's hardware doesn't have the same reputation as its software.

Agreed. The new Bluetooth 7000/8000 series is some of the best stuff they've put out in awhile.

briangw said,

Agreed. The new Bluetooth 7000/8000 series is some of the best stuff they've put out in awhile.

...aside from the absolute joke of a price they ask for the WED 8000 in the UK of almost £150 ($300) and the fact that the Logitech DiNovo Edge + MX Revolution combo is far superior (and cheaper)

Personally if t he rumours are true, I can't see Microsoft buying Logitech simply to run it as a subsidiary and leave it to get on with it.

OnyxAlien said,
Microsoft's hardware doesn't have the same reputation as its software.

The tracking is good on their optical and laser mice, but they don't last long enough. I've had defective scroll wheels, cables, and buttons after less than a year of average use on Intellimouses. I got a Laser mouse this time, we'll see how long this one lasts. If it does the same thing, I'm switching to Logitech, or maybe one of those "gamer" mice.

toadeater said,

The tracking is good on their optical and laser mice, but they don't last long enough. I've had defective scroll wheels, cables, and buttons after less than a year of average use on Intellimouses. I got a Laser mouse this time, we'll see how long this one lasts. If it does the same thing, I'm switching to Logitech, or maybe one of those "gamer" mice.

You're right. I get through at least 1 and sometimes 2 intellimice each year. The cable seem to go and the mouse starts disconnecting randomly... They're nice mice except for that...

"I hope it's not true. That would ruin the Logitech Microsoft brand"

With the sole exception of the now discontinued Force Feedback mouse, Logitech has always been Microsoft's runner-up. I can't imagine what Microsoft would gain by buying out their lesser competitor.