Microsoft to deliver Windows Vista SP2 before Windows 7

Microsoft has delivered a beta of Vista Service Pack 2 to select hardware and software partners according to sources close to Microsoft.

Last week the company put a place holder online for information about Windows Server 2008 Service Pack 2 and Windows Vista Service Pack 2. In it Microsoft acknowledges the existence of the beta and claims "No formal product support is available from Microsoft for this beta product".

According to All about Microsoft writer Mary Jo Foley the company will deliver SP2 before the highly anticipated Windows 7 release rumoured in the second half of next year.

It is widely expected that Hyper-V will be included with Vista SP2 alongside the usual OS improvements and hot fixes that a service pack brings.

Microsoft could reveal further information about Vista SP2 at the company's professional developers conference (PDC) next month.

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vista is fine except for the folder bug wich should be fixed,perhaps sp2 could include some ability to remove certain windows apps like movie maker or media center or photo gallery.

Like I mentioned in another post, check out XdN Tweaker (which was featured here on Neowin before, and is now at version 0.9.0.9 at the moment) for a Vista folder fix. http://xdntweaker.com/
All my folders now save their views correctly.

Anyone who isn't using Vista by now, I can guarantee will never switch to Windows 7 either... even with their fake posts acting like they are waiting for it.

Thats what they said about Windows XP which is NT 5.1. Most businesses and end users 7 years later are using it. Windows 7 which is NT 6.1 promises to change that perception.

Nah that won't happen, it will be mostly "Win7 sucks, XP rules". I won't be surprised if XP still has a strong following by the time Win8 or 9 come out. XP has been out far too long, people have become too attached to it, Vista (and 7) change things too much and we all know people resist change ;). I think that was part of the idea of the 3 year life cycle (which they have gone back to), just when you start getting used to it, the new one is out and time to move on.

Xerxes said,
Nah that won't happen, it will be mostly "Win7 sucks, XP rules". I won't be surprised if XP still has a strong following by the time Win8 or 9 come out. XP has been out far too long, people have become too attached to it, Vista (and 7) change things too much and we all know people resist change ;). I think that was part of the idea of the 3 year life cycle (which they have gone back to), just when you start getting used to it, the new one is out and time to move on.

Nobody liked XP when it came out. Everyone hated it just like they hate vista. Problems with compatibility issues, lack of good drivers. Not able to do 16 bit anymore. It will be the same every time. People are afraid of change and Microsoft knows that. That's why they are basing it off of vista.

"Not able to do 16 bit anymore."

Windows XP 32-bit versions can run 16 bit applications through Compatibility mode and sometimes without. Microsoft didn't remove the 16-bit subsystem until the release of Windows XP Professional x64, course, there was not 16 bit support in Windows XP for Itanium systems to begin with.

I use Server 2008 as my desktop system, way more stable and faster than Vista and I have only enabled things that I really need.

Same here; and the whole problem in Vista with folders trying to 'guess' how to display the contents does not exist in Server 08. Hooray!!

*face palm* You do realize Vista SP1 and Server 2008 are exactly the same thing, don't you? why do people insist that Server 2008 is somehow better then Vista? it's all in your head. Maybe in the days of XP and Server 2003 there was some truth in that, as they had different kernels, but not the case with these latest releases.

Xerxes said,
*face palm* You do realize Vista SP1 and Server 2008 are exactly the same thing, don't you? why do people insist that Server 2008 is somehow better then Vista? it's all in your head. Maybe in the days of XP and Server 2003 there was some truth in that, as they had different kernels, but not the case with these latest releases.

having tried server 2008 alongside my vista x64 install, i can say that turning server 2008 back to vista DOES result in a faster OS. However, the speed benefit is outweighed by the fact that you have to keep adjusting things and installers etc detect it's a server OS, meaning you're constantly looking for hacks and fixes to install software. Anyway, it's definately not "all in their heads" as you put it, maybe you should try it yourself before smacking your own face?

I don't see the difference between Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 in workgroup mode. Anyway, the average consumer does not have $1000 to pay for a NOS to turn it into a Desktop OS.

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.
Where you hear 2013 as the release date for Win7? Last I heard it was late 2009/Early 2010. The official life cycle for Windows is 3 years, XP was only out for so long cause MS screwed up.

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.

well-backed reliable source of news ...

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.

why do you keep repeating incorrect information?

OP said:
According to All about Microsoft writer Mary Jo Foley the company will deliver SP2 before the highly anticipated Windows 7 release rumoured in the second half of next year.

read the article

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.


Troll (again).. Change the record dear - nobody's listening to your unfounded rubbish.

Hyper-V is a Windows Server 2008 feature, it will not be available in SP2 for Windows Vista customers as Tom notes. As for those who don't know, Hyper-V is Virtual PC for Windows Server 2008 which does hardware virtualization, which means, it has great memory management and consolidates your Hardware by efficiently taking advantage of all those cores in hi end processors from Intel and AMD. You have to install it as a Server Role also and it requires the 64 bit version of Windows Server 2008. Your hardware must support Virtualization and it must be a member server or Domain Controller.

The ONLY things I'd like to see fixed is the folder view bug. Random changes and the resetting of folder views bugs (pun not intended) me to no end.

I hate that as well. In XP I could set up a folder how I liked it, go to folder options and choose apply to all, and it would actually work. Now every folder wants to display as multimedia files without the columns I want to see, and 5 columns that have no relevence at all (Artists, Album, Genre, #, Rating).

I agree also, the folder view bug/problem is extremely annoying. And should be so extremely easy for them to fix. Yet it never does get fixed, despite the arm and a leg you pay for the software.

pmasters said,
Oh forgot, I wonder if SP2 will include the MCE updates that was supposed to increase MCE functionality.


That'd be great - i'd love to see proper freesat support for mine :)

So what exactly does Hyper-V bring to a Vista home desktop? I know it allows virtual OS operation but unless it can somehow allow me to run OSX, whats the big deal about Hyper-V? Its an honest question and not a flame. Can someone explain the true advantage seen in a household with Hyper-V?

honestly it is something that makes more sense in the corporate environment rather than the home environment. While I personally have vmware and use that to run 4 vm's, I don't see the average user even knowing wtf hyper-v is let alone using it. hell one of the greatestet features from Windows XP, remote assistance, is still barely used and known to the average user.

I'm really big into virtualization, and if Hyper-V is included in Vista SP2 that would really would take the cake. With the way my machine is configured for me now, Vista X64 is faster for me then XP X64 already. Then again when I was running XP X64 I only had 1GB of RAM and now I have 4GB's. We all know that Vista Home Premium that's I'm running would tank completely with only 1GB of RAM.

But what does Hyper-V actually do though? how do you use it? Vista SP2 will only be a roll up off all the post-SP1 updates no more, there might be one or two very minor features/tweaks perhaps but that is it.

To Hyper-V, I doubt MS would release that to all Vista owners, as that would really annoy the Ultimate users. Most likely Hyper-V will be released as an Ultimate Extra, that is if MS even plan to give Vista Hyper-V which I have my doubts.

TheNay said,
If Vista speed is improved i'll switch, but by then I may just wait til Win 7 :)

Yeah, cause Windows 7 with it's hundreds of new features and zero patches is going to run sooo much quicker.

TCLN Ryster said,

Yeah, cause Windows 7 with it's hundreds of new features and zero patches is going to run sooo much quicker.

What are these hundreds of new features? You do know they've stripped out a whole bunch of programs already (Movie maker, Windows Mail, Windows Messenger, Photo Gallery, off the top of my head) so it's looking like it will be a much lighter install than Vista. As for patches, if it's based off Vista it will be just as up to date, actually more, so why is that an issue? I don't think it's too much to expect that they can optimize the Vista code base and produce a faster OS.

Skyfrog said,
What are these hundreds of new features?


Oh there will be lots of new features - hopefully we'll have a better idea after PDC.

dangel said,

Oh there will be lots of new features - hopefully we'll have a better idea after PDC.

If you can't run Vista now, You will not be able to run Win7. Hardware specs do not go backwards. Currently Win7 is not a huge change from Vista.

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.

It will be released in first quarter 2010, read the news bro! vista was the exception rather then the rule...

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.


Troll..

Faisal Islam said,
No. Windows 7's release date is 2013. Remeber Vista. XP released in 2001, Vista in 2006. there have 7 years gap.

In the West the difference between 2006 and 2001 is only 5 years. Secondly Microsoft released:

Windows XP in 2001
Windows XP SP2 in 2003
Windows Vista in 2006.

SP2 was an exception and they invested time and money in it as much as they invest in a new OS. Back in that time it was a discussion if Microsoft should have released it as a new OS or not.

ricknl said,

In the West the difference between 2006 and 2001 is only 5 years. Secondly Microsoft released:

Windows XP in 2001
Windows XP SP2 in 2003
Windows Vista in 2006.

SP2 was an exception and they invested time and money in it as much as they invest in a new OS. Back in that time it was a discussion if Microsoft should have released it as a new OS or not.

Windows XP was released August 2004.

Probably just a pack of hot fixes, Like what a Service Pack used to signify in the first place, Before XP SP2. Maybe a couple more tiny 'features', akin to XP SP3's NAP and Vista SP1's Anti-Trust changes.

Speed improvements would be nice...i have a fairly robust computer and even it lags (all my drivers are current and do not conflict).

Elessar said,
Speed improvements would be nice...i have a fairly robust computer and even it lags (all my drivers are current and do not conflict).

I think that should be the main point to SP2. Speed, Speed, Speed.
Blow out the competition. My 64 bit vista should be faster than lightning compared to XP64bit. I hope they improve the speeds of vista machines everywhere.

The Grasshopper said,

I think that should be the main point to SP2. Speed, Speed, Speed.
Blow out the competition. My 64 bit vista should be faster than lightning compared to XP64bit. I hope they improve the speeds of vista machines everywhere.


I have no idea how faster it can be... 1 sec to load word/excel/outlook.

Folders with thousands of photos already thumbnailed in database load in 2 seconds, inbdex search is instant.

No operation system can accelerate disk loading or things like that.

Everything Vista gets a chance to cache, index, etc lodas very fast.