Microsoft to Release 8 Versions of Windows Server 2008

Microsoft will release eight versions of Windows Server 2008 when it ships in late February 2008, three of which will include its hypervisor technology, Hyper-V. "The Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter versions of Windows Server 2008 will be offered with and without Hyper-V, both in 32-bit and 64-bit versions," Brad Anderson, general manager for the Windows and Enterprise management division, said at a press conference at the TechEd IT Forum event here Nov. 12.

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OH NO!

Eight whole choices!!! Why can't Microsoft be like Apple and give us only one system with 2 possible licenses? Why oh why does Microsoft let businesses have this much choice?

Unbelievable!

becasue microsoft has a decent server, the apple server is pretty damn poor.
becasue most IT guys woudl not stick apple computers in a corporate network, and even if they did they usually use windows or linux servers

MS gives US choice so WE can decide what we NEED. if you don't run servers why do you care how many versiosn there are and if you do run servers then you should know what you need adn which version suits you.

wheres the problem

SERVER adn CLIENT = different

My guess is only about 10% of the people posting here will even (legally & legitimately) use a copy of Windows 2008, and my guess is they're not the ones complaining.

Don't be fooled, there are only TWO version of windows server 2008 with different kind of modules available, 32bits and 64bits, the core (and many other features) are the same and in some cases can share the same updates.

Same happens when you are buying a car, for example a EcoSport... with air conditioner, automatic or manual, black, silver or golden, 1.6 or 1.8 motor and such, in the deep is the same car with different upgrades.

Just what this discussion needed, a car analogy + a careful choice of font sizes.

Don't be fooled, there are only TWO version of windows server 2008 with different kind of modules available, 32bits and 64bits, the core (and many other features) are the same and in some cases can share the same updates.

No, there will be 8 full fledged SKU's. Don't fool yourself. Yes, it is really just modules on a kernel, but still, 8 products. If Microsoft wanted to though, they could maybe have less products and let people attach modules to that one ( and many would like to see that happen! ), but MS don't want to provide that kind of licensing.

To all those who're complaining about MS charging an additional $28 for Hyper Visor, just think for a second. Every time MS includes a new feature in their OS for free, some other company complains that MS are abusing their monopoly (despite the fact that the other company probably wouldn't even be in business if it wasn't for MS). Furthermore, the howls of 'BLOAT' start to become deafening (despite the fact that if it aint running, it aint comsuming resources other than a tiny amount of space on a huge HD).

So, this time MS have made the feature available for a nominal fee for those that want it, and what do you know, there are still some idiots complaining.

STFU already!

bobbba said,
what about the L77T crew who will want to use it for gaming :D

For them it will be a lose lose situation because Vista will be updated this time to have the same performance enhancements including the new kernel with windows 2008's release so there is no reason to do that this time

8? not only this is bad for us, consumers, but how the hell can they keep up the pace with eight versions to develop simultaneously? I know 98% of the code will be common in all versions, but seriously...

its not a desktop OS..i hardly doubt you're going to need clustering or data center functionality ...oh wait...does your desktop have 8+ processors in it? oh then you'll be a consumer of this software.


THIS IS GEARED TOWARDS ENTERPRISES PEOPLE

as they^^^ said. if your a general consumer home user, you don't need to know, if youra network admin then you will know, adn you will know what features you need. end of story,all the users that don't run serevrs, can you please stop posting, your wasting everyones time including your own.

I find it rather odd that the same people saying how stupid Microsoft is for releasing multiple versions of their operating systems are also the ones advocating that people switch to one of the 50-odd distributions of Linux out there.

Hopefully for most people it'll come down to just 3 versions (all 64-bit :)). Then again, I guess not every application available for servers is necessarily 32-bit.... luckily though you can run 32-bit apps on the OS.

I think this may be slightly confusing for some people the way it appears now. 32-bit versions of Windows Server 2008 will not include Hyper-V.

As taken directly from the Microsoft PressPass announcement:

The Hyper-V feature will only be available with 64-bit editions of Windows Server 2008.

This basically means the three 64-bit (x64) editions of Windows Server 2008: Windows Server 2008 Standard, Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, and Windows Server 2008 Datacenter will include the Hyper-V feature, while their 32-bit counterparts, along with Windows Web Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based Systems will not include Hyper-V.

Summary
x64 Versions
Windows Server 2008 Standard x64 (includes Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise x64 (includes Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter x64 (includes Hyper-V)

32-bit Versions
Windows Server 2008 Standard (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Web Server 2008 (does not include Hyper-V)

IA64 Versions
Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based Systems (does not include Hyper-V)

This isn't so different from all the various flavors of Windows Server 2003 that exist, which includes both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Standard Edition, Enterprise Edition, and Datacenter Edition, along with a 32-bit version of Web Edition, and Enterprise and Datacenter Editions being available for Itanium-based Systems.

Hawkeye said,
I think this may be slightly confusing for some people the way it appears now. 32-bit versions of Windows Server 2008 will not include Hyper-V.

As taken directly from the Microsoft PressPass announcement:

This basically means the three 64-bit (x64) editions of Windows Server 2008: Windows Server 2008 Standard, Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, and Windows Server 2008 Datacenter will include the Hyper-V feature, while their 32-bit counterparts, along with Windows Web Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based Systems will not include Hyper-V.

Summary
x64 Versions
Windows Server 2008 Standard x64 (includes Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise x64 (includes Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter x64 (includes Hyper-V)

32-bit Versions
Windows Server 2008 Standard (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Server 2008 Datacenter (does not include Hyper-V)
Windows Web Server 2008 (does not include Hyper-V)

IA64 Versions
Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based Systems (does not include Hyper-V)

This isn't so different from all the various flavors of Windows Server 2003 that exist, which includes both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Standard Edition, Enterprise Edition, and Datacenter Edition, along with a 32-bit version of Web Edition, and Enterprise and Datacenter Editions being available for Itanium-based Systems.

And one other thing people missed in all this. These are the LAST Windows Server versions to come in 32bit!

Next version is 64bit only. So I suppose that'll cut down the SKUs won't it?

we need just Windows Server 2008 with all the bells and whistles without having to deal with all the different product editions....I guess this way they make more money....

thollian said,
we need just Windows Server 2008 with all the bells and whistles without having to deal with all the different product editions....I guess this way they make more money....

Do you even know the differences between versions?

Enterprise edition ha clustering something that the average user / business would never touch! Whats the point in charging for something as complex as that to someone who would never use it? Since when is more choice worse?

And how many versions of W2K3 where there?

  1. Windows Server 2003 Web Edition 32bit
  2. Windows Server 2003 Web Edition 64bit
  3. Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition 32bit
  4. Windows Server 2003 Standard 64bit
  5. Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 32bit
  6. Windows Server 2003 Enterprise 64bit
  7. Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster 32bit
  8. Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster 64bit
  9. Windows Server 2003 Standard R2 32bit
  10. Windows Server 2003 Standard R2 64bit
  11. Windows Server 2003 Enterprise R2 32bit
  12. Windows Server 2003 Enterprise R2 64bit
  13. Windows Server 2003 Datacenter 32bit
  14. Windows Server 2003 Datacenter 64bit
  15. Windows Home Server (yes this is windows 2003)

17. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard
18. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard R2
19. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard x64
20. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard x64 R2
21. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium
22. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium R2
23. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium x64
24. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium x64 R2

Who's got more? :cheeky:

random_n said,
17. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard
18. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard R2
19. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard x64
20. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Standard x64 R2
21. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium
22. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium R2
23. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium x64
24. Windows Small Business Server 2003 Premium x64 R2

Who's got more? :cheeky:

There's the itanium versions as well...

Oh-My-God. :nuts: How can it be? How can such a big company be all full of dumb people?
Are they serious? for $28? Wow.
I should probably move to using Linux or something. Seriously. Shouldn't trust idiots.

...why is it that everytime Microsoft release a product people start complaining about how many versions there is.... I seriously hope the Linux community get another idiot, God knows the Windows community could do without some.

How about I start complaining that there are so many distros out there in the linux world, O-My-God ;)


If people could just get along

Torment said,
...why is it that everytime Microsoft release a product people start complaining about how many versions there is.... I seriously hope the Linux community get another idiot, God knows the Windows community could do without some.

How about I start complaining that there are so many distros out there in the linux world, O-My-God ;)


If people could just get along ;)

exactly, how many posts titled "I am confused, plz help me choose distro"

variety is good to a certain degree and a person can just choose the version that best suites him/her

You're right. I mean how many different distros of linux are there? I mean there are only like 4 right? because it must be less than 8 if you are complaining

You're right. I mean how many different distros of linux are there? I mean there are only like 4 right? because it must be less than 8 if you are complaining

A Linux distro is generally either self contained or come with upgrades in the form of modules. Linux is usually much, much more modular than Windows thanks to its open source nature that allow people to figure out how to pick it apart and also apply add-ons -- and they do.

Unless you're summing up *all* Linux distros and point to a big number. But that's as weird as tucking Windows Server 2008 together with Windows XP, or other Windows editions. Surely you'll get some big number there too.

If there are 3 base versions of Windows Server 2008, all with or without Hyper-V, AND in both 32 and 64 bit flavors, wouldn't that make 12 editions of windows?

Windows Server 2008 Standard w/ Hyper-V 32bit
Windows Server 2008 Standard w/o Hyper-V 32bit
Windows Server 2008 Standard w/ Hyper-V 64bit
Windows Server 2008 Standard w/o Hyper-V 64bit
.
.
.
... and so on... ?

1. Windows Server 2008 Standard with HV
2. Windows Server 2008 Standard w/o HV

3. Windows Server 2008 Enterprise with HV
4. Windows Server 2008 Enterprise with w/o HV

5. Windows Server 2008 Datacentre with HV
6. Windows Server 2008 Datacentre w/o HV

7. Windows Web Server 2008

8. Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based systems per processor

Thats was from the article, based on this article at inforworld is the following:

Microsoft will release five versions of Windows Server in February, Lees said: Standard, Enterprise, Datacenter, Web Server and a version for Itanium-based systems.

Within six months of the Windows Server 2008 launch, it will also release Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter versions incorporating its Hyper-V virtualization software.


Torment said,
1. Windows Server 2008 Standard with HV
2. Windows Server 2008 Standard w/o HV

3. Windows Server 2008 Enterprise with HV
4. Windows Server 2008 Enterprise with w/o HV

5. Windows Server 2008 Datacentre with HV
6. Windows Server 2008 Datacentre w/o HV

7. Windows Web Server 2008

8. Windows Server 2008 for Itanium-based systems per processor

Thats was from the article, based on this article at inforworld is the following:

Note that those 5 versions are the same ones MS has been doing for Windows Server for years now. the other 3 that bring it to 8 are the same thing but 64bit only with Hyper-V. Hyper-V is x64 only so it's different itself. And it being a major feature sets it apart from the other 5.

It's really NOT compicated at all.

Windows Server 2008 High-Ultimate
Windows Server 2008 Low-Ultimate
Windows Server 2008 Super-Premium
Windows Server 2008 Extra-Ultimate Plus
Windows Server 2008 Hyper-Premium
Windows Server 2008 Hyper-Premium Plus
Windows Server 2008 Super-Hyper Premium
Windows Server 2008 Super-Hyper Ultimate

:nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

unkle stu said,
way to read the title of the article and immediately click the comment button

Unless the title is misleading, what else is there to read? The Microsoft morons just don't get it. Multiple versions is confusings for the masses and silly.

Why not take a page from Apple and create one version. This is what people like and yet just 1 reason out of a gazillion why I'll be switching to a Mac November 30th.

internetworld7 said,
Multiple versions is confusings for the masses and silly.
Why not take a page from Apple and create one version. This is what people like and yet just 1 reason out of a gazillion why I'll be switching to a Mac November 30th. :cool:

  1. Windows Server is not 'for the masses'
  2. Multiple versions keep prices low for those companies who don't need the extra bells and whistles.
  3. Good luck running your SQL cluster on MacOS... Unless you meant MacOS server, another version of MacOS.

MacOS 10.5 Intel
MacOS 10.5 PPC
MacOS 10.5 Server 10 Client Edition
MacOS 10.5 Server Unlimited Client Edition

Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

Joe USer said,
  1. Windows Server is not 'for the masses'
  2. Multiple versions keep prices low for those companies who don't need the extra bells and whistles.
  3. Good luck running your SQL cluster on MacOS... Unless you meant MacOS server, another version of MacOS.
MacOS 10.5 Intel
MacOS 10.5 PPC
MacOS 10.5 Server 10 Client Edition
MacOS 10.5 Server Unlimited Client Edition

Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

My hero. <3

Joe USer said,
  1. Good luck running your SQL cluster on MacOS... Unless you meant MacOS server, another version of MacOS.
MacOS 10.5 Intel
MacOS 10.5 PPC
MacOS 10.5 Server 10 Client Edition
MacOS 10.5 Server Unlimited Client Edition

Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

i forgot osx can't run mysql, postgresql or oracle.... oh wait. :p
i also beg to differ that powerpc and intel are two entirely separate versions. that's what fat binaries are for.
and the only difference between the 10 client edition and the unlimited client edition is the cd-key that you get... same disc!

i also beg to differ that powerpc and intel are two entirely separate versions. that's what fat binaries are for.

Uh...The 'operating system' itself is not going to be made up of such binaries.

The kernel and all associated low level stuff has to be hardware specific.

Joe USer said,
  1. Windows Server is not 'for the masses'
  2. Multiple versions keep prices low for those companies who don't need the extra bells and whistles.
  3. Good luck running your SQL cluster on MacOS... Unless you meant MacOS server, another version of MacOS.
MacOS 10.5 Intel
MacOS 10.5 PPC
MacOS 10.5 Server 10 Client Edition
MacOS 10.5 Server Unlimited Client Edition

Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

the Intel and PPC versions do the same... just for different platforms. So you can bring that down to 3.

Microsoft tiered their OS'es to the extreme.

Joe USer said,
Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

Actually, there aren't separate versions for each architecture. Mac OS X is "universal" in that it can be installed on either architecture, from the same DVD.

Andy-Roo said,
Actually, there aren't separate versions for each architecture. Mac OS X is "universal" in that it can be installed on either architecture, from the same DVD.

No, they just have two different versions on the same DVD.

PPC and Intel do not speak the same language. So while a good chunk of the applications in the OS may be universal, the OS kernel is compiled for the architecture it is running on.

Either way, there's still multiple versions of MacOS based on the number of features the enduser wants (MacOS vs MacOS server at a minimum), which was the point I was trying to make.

internetworld7 said,

Unless the title is misleading, what else is there to read? The Microsoft morons just don't get it. Multiple versions is confusings for the masses and silly.

Why not take a page from Apple and create one version. This is what people like and yet just 1 reason out of a gazillion why I'll be switching to a Mac November 30th. :cool:

when apple comes out with a server worth using then let us all know

Joe USer said,
  1. Windows Server is not 'for the masses'
  2. Multiple versions keep prices low for those companies who don't need the extra bells and whistles.
  3. Good luck running your SQL cluster on MacOS... Unless you meant MacOS server, another version of MacOS.
MacOS 10.5 Intel
MacOS 10.5 PPC
MacOS 10.5 Server 10 Client Edition
MacOS 10.5 Server Unlimited Client Edition

Are the PowerPC and Intel versions on the same disc?

Mac OS X 10.5 (Single User and Family Pack (5 User))
Mac OS X Server 10.5 (10 Client and Unlimited Client)

Both versions come with a bulk rate option, both versions are 32 bit and 64 bit on the same disc, both version are PPC and Intel on the same disc. In fact, the only difference between OS X and Server is an extra bundle of applications that come only with the Server version, the OS code is identical.

If Microsoft is willing to go to so much trouble to make stair-stepped versions of the same OS why don't they just put up a site where you can create your own OS disc based on what features you want? Just ship a disc with everything (Vista) and a custom-generated serial gives you access to only what you paid for... With the option to purchase additional modules in the future and install from the same disc you bought in the first place?

You guys are going off in the wrong direction. MS will release 5 versions of server 2k8. The same 5 it had for 2k3 and the same (maybe 1 more?) than what it had for Server 2k.

Standard
Enterprise
Datacenter
Web
Itanium

The Itanium version is a specific version for a specific CPU and so on. It needs it's own SKU from the start.

Web is the cheapest and has only the basic parts you need for a Web server, simple to understand.

The other 3 have been around for ages.

Now the difference, and why it goes up to 8 is because of Hyper-V. Hyper-V is x64 only, and it's a major feature you either want or don't want. What MS listed is the prices for Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter x64 WITH Hyper-V which brings the total SKU count up to 8.

But it's not really 8 SKUs, Hyper-V is a feature you can install later as long as you're running the x64 version.

mFC_ said,
and the only difference between the 10 client edition and the unlimited client edition is the cd-key that you get... same disc! :D

Exactly like Vista then...

$28 price difference only!? Is this a joke, why not make one product, or cut more features out to make really specialized role servers affordable.

Budious said,
$28 price difference only!?

Don't forget that in addition to the server license you still have to buy user licenses, which add up quickly. That's in addition to paying for the clients themselves; XP, Vista, whatever.

VMWare running on Linux is a much better deal, if your IT staff can handle it.

Yeah, but why not just include all versions with the $28 server license to begin with? Seems like a minor point to make two different versions over.

Budious said,
Yeah, but why not just include all versions with the $28 server license to begin with? Seems like a minor point to make two different versions over.

The $28 price difference is between versions with and without the Hyper-V software.

The Hyper-V software is only 64bit, so it'll only run on x64 versions of the 3 main SKUs, Standard, Enterprise and Datacenter. Now because it's 64bit only, the 32bit versions don't have support for Hyper-V thus making a difference from the start.

Other than those, you have...

Web Edition (no hyper-V, but with local SQL server support)
Itanium Edition (I don't even have to say more about this)

Those 5 are what you see now, later on in the 2nd half of 2008 MS will release other specific versions...

Storage Server
Esssentials Business Server (Centro)
Small Business Server
Compute Cluster Server
And Home Server R2

These last 5 are different though and not counted as part of those 8 that the story talks about. Plus these last ones are made for specific areas and come with specific tools/software for those jobs.

Basically, all the fuss is that we have x64 and 32bit versions with and without Hyper-V which bring the count up to 8.

FFS. I was going to write a diatribe about this stupidity...but if they didn't learn from the Vista release fiasco and all the clients dropping the software assurance rip-off, etc., etc. MS just isn't listening to their clients anyway...sigh.