Microsoft warns of Kinect shortages; Playstation Move stutters in the US

Microsoft has begun warning consumers about the possibility of Kinect hardware shortages when the Xbox 360 motion controller comes out next month. This news from Microsoft comes just days after Amazon UK and several Game websites stopped taking pre-orders due to high demand, though console bundles seem to still be avaliable.

Last month, Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg predicted that Kinect would sell more than three million units before the end of 2010, this news looks likely to back up that claim. Microsoft stated that additional units will go to stores for those who have not pre-ordered on a first come first serve limited basis.

In the meantime Sony seems to have had lower than expected sales of their motion controller for the Playstation 3, the Playstation Move. In the United States, estimated sales have been tallied to about around 300,000 units. Across the globe sales of Sony's Move controller have exceeded expectations in Europe, with over 1.5 million units now sold since it launched late last month. More titles supporting the Move hardware will be released over the coming weeks including SingStar Dance and The Shoot.

Kinect launches in North America on November 4 and then in Europe on November 10, while Playstation Move is currently out now.

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In the States, I had to settle for buying my Move online through Amazon. It was sold out in all the stores I had gone to (Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, Toys R Us)

"In the meantime Sony seems to have had lower than expected sales of their motion controller for the Playstation 3, the Playstation Move."

Yes, because Move is sold-out since day 1!! I still can't find it in ANY retail store! I can get the Move Starter Pack but I want to get the Motion Controller only, because I already have the camera. And the same goes for all my friends.
Sony should hear us: we need the controller, not the bundle, and it's not available. That's why it has lower than expected sales.

I have it preordered. I can say that $150 is not making them money. They did this with the xbox as well for years. Sony the same. The game titles are the money makers and with xbox live its where MS wants ppl to be. You build community and social interaction and you others who discover it and want to join. Community within the xbox live ecosystem will encourage more game play. Xbox live has proven all the naysayers when xbox first launched that it would not make it. Xbox did it again when the bluray and hdrom.wars were heated and hdrom lost. How did it survive? Xbox live and great game titles. MS will do it again with kinect. MS made some bad mistakes but since Windows 7 they have seen the light. KIN was a bad exercise and they admit to it. THE KINECT is really a great device. As the old saying goes. DON'T KNOCK IT BEFORE YOU TRY IT.

I've never used the Wii or PS3. So my question is can the Wii or PS3 Move control functions of the console outside of games? for instance Kinect allows other functions i.e. browse and play movies using motion and the controller.

NPGMBR said,
I've never used the Wii or PS3. So my question is can the Wii or PS3 Move control functions of the console outside of games? for instance Kinect allows other functions i.e. browse and play movies using motion and the controller.

I think Move does don't know about wii though.

NPGMBR said,
I've never used the Wii or PS3. So my question is can the Wii or PS3 Move control functions of the console outside of games? for instance Kinect allows other functions i.e. browse and play movies using motion and the controller.

Conidering the Wii only comes with the motion sensitive controll by default... yes - well it's mostly controller through the pointer part because that makes more. Easier than controlling with Kinect, though you do have something in your hand.

Neo003 said,

I think Move does don't know about wii though.

I think Netflix on the Wii just uses the arrows to navigate, you don't move it back and forth.

Sony's Move is an f-ing stick with a light-bulb on one end - it is embarrassing and of course people won't buy it as much (and 1.5 million in Europe is a drop in the ocean).

Futurix said,
Sony's Move is an f-ing stick with a light-bulb on one end - it is embarrassing and of course people won't buy it as much (and 1.5 million in Europe is a drop in the ocean).

+1 million!

Futurix said,
Sony's Move is an f-ing stick with a light-bulb on one end

It's a dildo with an anal bead on the end.

As for Microsoft: They're *finally* learning marketing lessons from Apple...

Futurix said,
Sony's Move is an f-ing stick with a light-bulb on one end - it is embarrassing and of course people won't buy it as much (and 1.5 million in Europe is a drop in the ocean).

Lol!
Some really good games don't sell 1.5 million in the same time let alone longer, but yea, 1.5 million in the EU and just under 500k in the US in one month sure are some sucky numbers.

What are they going to do if Kinect's sales fall far short of that 3 million (which I forsee)? I think Kinect is a cool product, but with the price point, subpar launch games, and failure to appeal to mainsteam gamers (yet), I highly doubt Kinect will be the huge huge success Microsoft is predicting. Not saying it will flop, but 3 million in 2 months is pushing it.

Chrono951 said,
What are they going to do if Kinect's sales fall far short of that 3 million (which I forsee)? I think Kinect is a cool product, but with the price point, subpar launch games, and failure to appeal to mainsteam gamers (yet), I highly doubt Kinect will be the huge huge success Microsoft is predicting. Not saying it will flop, but 3 million in 2 months is pushing it.

What are you going to say when it does sell the 3million they expect from all the data they've probably been collecting , preorder numbers, and other user backed data about price and so on.

Honestly, do people really think that when a large company says they epxect good sales that they're just guessing or being whisful? You don't stop and think that maybe, just maybe, they have info to back it up?

GP007 said,

What are you going to say when it does sell the 3million they expect from all the data they've probably been collecting , preorder numbers, and other user backed data about price and so on.

Honestly, do people really think that when a large company says they epxect good sales that they're just guessing or being whisful? You don't stop and think that maybe, just maybe, they have info to back it up?

I'm rooting for Microsoft, but Sony had expectations too.

But then again, Sony probably hired a hobo to come up with those expectations.

GP007 said,

What are you going to say when it does sell the 3million they expect from all the data they've probably been collecting , preorder numbers, and other user backed data about price and so on.
Honestly, do people really think that when a large company says they epxect good sales that they're just guessing or being whisful? You don't stop and think that maybe, just maybe, they have info to back it up?

Microsoft doesn't have the greatest track record so far about guessing sales numbers. "cough" Kin "cough"

I imagine a Kinect enabled Star-Trek exploration game which would allow you to use your WP7 device as your Tricorder.

That would be sweet.
AND totally not possible on ANY other platform, with your hands full of controllers and ****.

So the Move did a little worse than they expected in the US and exceeded expectations in Europe. So they must be failing...
Selling enough units to meet demand has now become a bad thing.

The Kinect will be something that will be used in the household. After seeing it in a Microsoft Store first hand, it rocks. This will appeal not only to children but to adults who want to stay fit. It gets your whole body involved in the games.
Your Shape™: Fitness Evolved looks so awesome for those who want to stay fit and maybe learn some additional things.
Then there is Dance Central™ which will appeal to teens and young adults.
There is even a fun game for children who love animals called Kinectimals™.

There is so much more happening with this device in the future. I can not wait to see what developers come up with.

I have my preorder in. Can not wait for next month.

DSLJay said,
It gets your whole body involved in the games.
Your Shape™: Fitness Evolved looks so awesome for those who want to stay fit and maybe learn some additional things. Then there is Dance Central™ which will appeal to teens and young adults. There is even a fun game for children who love animals called Kinectimals™.

Haven't we heard this same appeal with both the Wii and Move? As far as I can tell, people get real excited, it sells ok, and then it slowly dies.

Chrono951 said,

Haven't we heard this same appeal with both the Wii and Move? As far as I can tell, people get real excited, it sells ok, and then it slowly dies.

I think it will have a different appeal. No hand held controller and better graphics then the Wii. Unline the Move and the Wii, you get your full body involved. I honestly believe that if they can make some awesome games, it will go far.

El Marto said,
Blatantly gonna sell mine on eBay then!

I'm considering this route, but I don't think the profit margins will be there for Kinect.

I bet this sales well, but quickly becomes a dust collector by those who bought it as the games that come out for it will be mostly casual rail based games.
The sound recognition wouldn't work with how loud my set up is as well, so making voice commands would be useless unless it was next to me, like a headset. But lets see if they can prove my judgement call wrong. I just don't see this thing going well later on when the limitations show themselves.

Cool, I'm hoping this to be a success! Tried it a couple of weeks ago, and Kinect worked better than expected.

For those interested, found a very interesting list of Kinect Games right here: http://123kinect.com/kinect-games/

By the looks of it, it seems that a lot more companies than just Microsoft is buying into the idea of Kinect.

Who are these crazy people willing to drop $150 to make their 360 a glorified Wii??? The price is just flat out wrong on this thing. If it was about half as much I might be tempted if I had money to literally burn. Even then it'd take something monumental to convince me. In the meantime the Wii will stay home to my motion controls.

Nogib said,
Who are these crazy people willing to drop $150 to make their 360 a glorified Wii??? The price is just flat out wrong on this thing. If it was about half as much I might be tempted if I had money to literally burn. Even then it'd take something monumental to convince me. In the meantime the Wii will stay home to my motion controls.
Excuse me? Move is a glorified Wii.

Thank you very much.

Nogib said,
Who are these crazy people willing to drop $150 to make their 360 a glorified Wii??? The price is just flat out wrong on this thing. If it was about half as much I might be tempted if I had money to literally burn. Even then it'd take something monumental to convince me. In the meantime the Wii will stay home to my motion controls.

See? Everyone has an opinion. However, not everyone has an educated one. You? Not educated.

Luis Mazza said,
Often video game accessories that depend on specific content have been proven to be a failure!

And often it worked just fine... Rockband / Guitar Hero? Expensive equipment and it still sells like, well, Kinect i guess?

RancoR2k said,

And often it worked just fine... Rockband / Guitar Hero? Expensive equipment and it still sells like, well, Kinect i guess?

Yep... that's called music. One single reason

Luis Mazza said,

Yep... that's called music. One single reason

Well, the Kinect isn't for one game. It is for multiple games.

RancoR2k said,

And often it worked just fine... Rockband / Guitar Hero? Expensive equipment and it still sells like, well, Kinect i guess?

Look at the audience that mostly buys Rockband, etc. I highly doubt that same audience, probably the biggest audience in Xbox's marketshare, will care about Kinect.

I think MS is selling Kinect to pay for the costs of R&D and to test the product making it available in-console by the next generation, when the component costs will also be much lower.

Microsoft = Well Done!
Sony = Gutted! That's what you get for copying the Wii, people have Wii's... Don't want your attempt to be cool.

Kinect is a excellent idea so I expect it to be a big hit!

TechDudeGeorge said,
Microsoft = Well Done!
Sony = Gutted! That's what you get for copying the Wii, people have Wii's... Don't want your attempt to be cool.

Kinect is a excellent idea so I expect it to be a big hit!


Too bad Kinect will appeal to only the casual audience and will having pretty much nothing but a ton of kid-oriented games.

Yay! I can't wait to jump around my living room in an attempt to control a raft that dodges rocks!

BoneyardBrew said,

Too bad Kinect will appeal to only the casual audience and will having pretty much nothing but a ton of kid-oriented games.

Yay! I can't wait to jump around my living room in an attempt to control a raft that dodges rocks!


Yes because only hardcore gamers play games right?

TechDudeGeorge said,
Microsoft = Well Done!
Sony = Gutted! That's what you get for copying the Wii, people have Wii's... Don't want your attempt to be cool.

Kinect is a excellent idea so I expect it to be a big hit!

+1, so true. I looked at that mammoth bohemian wedge of black plastic with its dicky colour ball and thought... wtf were you thinking sony!

/- Razorfold said,

Yes because only hardcore gamers play games right?

My point being that Kinect is limited as to what it can actually offer.

At least Move can appeal to both categories of gamers.

BoneyardBrew said,

My point being that Kinect is limited as to what it can actually offer.

At least Move can appeal to both categories of gamers.

Well, you could implement a system exactly the same as move using Kinect if you wanted. And of course Kinect can do more than Move, depending on how you look at it. Either way, I'm a hardcore gamer, I'm certainly buying Kinect! I mean, I like playing Bioshock or Mass Effect or Fable by myself, but, can't beat the fun of having a few friends round and all having a go on something easy to play. And of course, the simple novelty of it just to relax too =) But it is rather pricey - probably worth the cost but it's still a lot =/

BoneyardBrew said,

My point being that Kinect is limited as to what it can actually offer.

At least Move can appeal to both categories of gamers.

Yes and No, HardCore Gamers, Own and game on PC,

kidz and casuel gamer own consoles.

there is no such thing called HardCore Gaming done on a console.


-----------------

Wii = Moition Control
Kinect = Camra Control
Move = Motion + camra Control

so yes Move is like Wii+Kinect=move Glorefide wii and Kinect

Edited by MadDoggyca, Oct 17 2010, 2:03am :

BoneyardBrew said,

Too bad Kinect will appeal to only the casual audience and will having pretty much nothing but a ton of kid-oriented games.

Yay! I can't wait to jump around my living room in an attempt to control a raft that dodges rocks!

that's mostly my thoughts to.

because it seems more serious gamers like to play more serious games which means mouse+keyboard or a standard controller. everything else just aint cutting it.

basically those Wii/Kinect type devices are geared more towards the casual gamer who likes something different from the stuff we been accustomed to for ages now.

MadDoggyca said,
Wii = Moition Control
Kinect = Camra Control
Move = Motion + camra Control

so yes Move is like Wii+Kinect=move Glorefide wii and Kinect

Wrong. You forgot about Kinect's motion tracking motor and microphone array.
move < kinect

dotf said,

Wrong. You forgot about Kinect's motion tracking motor and microphone array.
move < kinect

you do realize the PSeye has 4 directional microphones, right? also doesn't need 6-8 feet to plays games with.

MadDoggyca said,

Yes and No, HardCore Gamers, Own and game on PC,

kidz and casuel gamer own consoles.

there is no such thing called HardCore Gaming done on a console.


-----------------

Wii = Moition Control
Kinect = Camra Control
Move = Motion + camra Control

so yes Move is like Wii+Kinect=move Glorefide wii and Kinect

Here we see the PC Snob in it's native habitat. Watch how it sticks it's head up it's ass to avoid having to see other Gamers enjoying all the genres he once exclusively enjoyed. Truly spectacular. Notice the cheetos-orange fingers and sweat stained ironic t-shirt plumage. Such a marvelous specimen.

lostmongoose said,

Here we see the PC Snob in it's native habitat. Watch how it sticks it's head up it's ass to avoid having to see other Gamers enjoying all the genres he once exclusively enjoyed. Truly spectacular. Notice the cheetos-orange fingers and sweat stained ironic t-shirt plumage. Such a marvelous specimen.

that actually made me lol...

anywazs I like MOST genres, how ever no matter what genre one plays all hardcore gaming will be done on a pc.

IE
Flight Sims = Petals, Throtal stick, Yoke stick
Racing = Wheel, Petals + cluch, Stick Shift
First Person Shoots = Keyboard/Mouse
Online RPGS = Keyboard/Mouse
Platformers/ console style games = Logitech/360 Pads

don't get me wrong I woudl rather play NHL/NFL with the 360Pad, but it still has to be done on a pc for best results.

all played on multiMonitors on 5.1 Sound. thats how true hardcore gaming is played. (assuming one can support a EyE Infity Style Setup)

not this motion/Camra Controle or dumb done AI, Setting, Aiming aid console handy cap issue.

-------------

now if I can get Windows 7 x64 drivers for kinect and use the multi camras for headtracking to work, IE look left, look right and the in camra would follow. That make racing games, FPS, and flight Sims to be more relistic with 1-3 monitors. So ya I guess Kinect could apeal to the hardcore crowed after all, all it need is the right hardware and software to make it shine. And it wont be done on a console ether.

Edited by MadDoggyca, Oct 17 2010, 7:09am :

lostmongoose said,

you do realize the PSeye has 4 directional microphones, right? also doesn't need 6-8 feet to plays games with.

Sports champions asks for 8 feet for most games to work well. If you're playing any game that needs wide motions you need the distance just to consistently remain within view of the camera.

MadDoggyca said,

that actually made me lol...

anywazs I like MOST genres, how ever no matter what genre one plays all hardcore gaming will be done on a pc.

IE
Flight Sims = Petals, Throtal stick, Yoke stick
Racing = Wheel, Petals + cluch, Stick Shift
First Person Shoots = Keyboard/Mouse
Online RPGS = Keyboard/Mouse
Platformers/ console style games = Logitech/360 Pads

don't get me wrong I woudl rather play NHL/NFL with the 360Pad, but it still has to be done on a pc for best results.

all played on multiMonitors on 5.1 Sound. thats how true hardcore gaming is played. (assuming one can support a EyE Infity Style Setup)

not this motion/Camra Controle or dumb done AI, Setting, Aiming aid console handy cap issue.

-------------

now if I can get Windows 7 x64 drivers for kinect and use the multi camras for headtracking to work, IE look left, look right and the in camra would follow. That make racing games, FPS, and flight Sims to be more relistic with 1-3 monitors. So ya I guess Kinect could apeal to the hardcore crowed after all, all it need is the right hardware and software to make it shine. And it wont be done on a console ether.

Please define "Hardcore" gaming?

I own a PC, Xbox and a PS3? Therefore I play more games/own more games/have more gaming systems than you, making me a much more "hardcore" gamer as you say.

And to be honest, anyone that brands themselves a hardcore gamer is a total douche.

Also I will be buying Kinect because it has so much potential which I don't think we will see in launch titles, Can't wait to see what Dev's can actually do with this.

Exopolitics said,

And to be honest, anyone that brands themselves a hardcore gamer is a total douche.

Now if he`d said he was a Hardcore porn star

MadDoggyca said,

IE
Flight Sims = Petals, Throtal stick, Yoke stick
Racing = Wheel, Petals + cluch, Stick Shift
First Person Shoots = Keyboard/Mouse
Online RPGS = Keyboard/Mouse
Platformers/ console style games = Logitech/360 Pads

LOL @ playing Flight Sims and Driving games with a flower.

evo_spook said,
Shortages? Isn't this where Neowinners shout "marketing ploy"
I don't doubt it.

Not as though every other company doesn't do this s***. Like Apple.

evo_spook said,
Shortages? Isn't this where Neowinners shout "marketing ploy"
This is the opposite of marketing. More like negative marketing.

Jebadiah said,
This is the opposite of marketing. More like negative marketing.
Actually... oh wait I'm sleepy so I won't explain, but basically people will buy it because if there's a shortage, it means everybody is buying....

Victor V. said,
Actually... oh wait I'm sleepy so I won't explain, but basically people will buy it because if there's a shortage, it means everybody is buying....

Yup. Futurama made fun of this in their iPhone-inspired episode.

Victor V. said,
Actually... oh wait I'm sleepy so I won't explain, but basically people will buy it because if there's a shortage, it means everybody is buying....
Indeed. People see it as, WOW?! It's sold out? Then it must be good!

Want, want, want!

That's what happens, to the mainstream consumer, though.

Mr aldo said,
Indeed. People see it as, WOW?! It's sold out? Then it must be good!

Want, want, want!

That's what happens, to the mainstream consumer, though.

Unless it's all true and there really is a shortage due to higher demand than most people on here seem to think.

GP007 said,

Unless it's all true and there really is a shortage due to higher demand than most people on here seem to think.

Either way, it'll still create that curiousity with all the people unfamiliar with it. Thinking, what is this thing that everyone's going crazy over that they can't even keep them on the shelves?

Quick Shot said,
Well. I'm not surprised. Kinect is a brilliant idea!

Great idea but unproven in homes is why I'm more surprised by it - but in saying that most people are unsure how many will be out on launch day anyway.

Certainly can't wait to test it out in my house.

tanjiajun_34 said,

Just plus another camera?

Yay for looking like you've never read one single article about the Kinect ever.

/srsly, what's up with people thinking it's just a fancy webcam?
//are they really NOT aware of all the extra hardware in it?

Joshie said,

Yay for looking like you've never read one single article about the Kinect ever.

/srsly, what's up with people thinking it's just a fancy webcam?
//are they really NOT aware of all the extra hardware in it?

please elaborate. what extra hardware would you be talking about?

lostmongoose said,

please elaborate. what extra hardware would you be talking about?

Well there's the depth sensor with Infra red projector, and the microphone array - but it's definetly the depth sensor that's the more important part

NPGMBR said,
Maybe old Ballmer will get his wish afterall.
Sony Move can't be a failure since so many people own PS. They just aren't making as much hype as Kinect, and therefore early sales are poor.

LOL Got to give Microsoft Xbox marketing some props for this stupidity. They could have easily said Kinect got sold out or something instead of saying "a shortage is expected", which simply indicates MS sales planning is ****ty.

Jebadiah said,
LOL Got to give Microsoft Xbox marketing some props for this stupidity. They could have easily said Kinect got sold out or something instead of saying "a shortage is expected", which simply indicates MS sales planning is ****ty.

Uhh, consumers interpret shortages as 'high demand' just as much as they do "sold out". You did, too, apparently, otherwise you wouldn't be criticizing the semantics.

The word 'shortage' is almost ALWAYS the word businesses use in these situations, across multiple markets, from Apple to Samsung.

FMH said,
Sony Move can't be a failure since so many people own PS. They just aren't making as much hype as Kinect, and therefore early sales are poor.

Certainly isn't a failure - but they are not as good as hoped even without mass promotion. In the UK it has been promoted quite a lot and it was clearly going to be a good seller from the day it came out thanks to all the stores showing it off and people enjoying it.

I have it and love it myself. Just needs a lot more games before the masses start buying

FMH said,
Sony Move can't be a failure since so many people own PS. They just aren't making as much hype as Kinect, and therefore early sales are poor.

The move has slowed right down because of the lack of titles. I bought it on launch it still use it a bit here or there but where the hell are the titles. There aren't any good ones yet. Nothing huge is coming out and nothing too interesting. If they don't want it to fail, they have to make sure the titles reflect what people want.

As for the Kinect, I can see the same fate unless they can get the developers behind them unlike Sony has.

FMH said,
Sony Move can't be a failure since so many people own PS. They just aren't making as much hype as Kinect, and therefore early sales are poor.

Move is way overpriced in comparison to Kinect, which is the larger issue.

Move is $300USD plus the price of a PS3; Kinect is that price, but includes the base XB360S. (The preferred XB360S-250 + Kinect bundle is $100USD more, which still undercuts PS3+Move by a ton.) Unless you buy simply based on exclusive games, it will be price that will make the decision for you - I say that as someone that owns neither console, and has friends that own both.