Microsoft: Windows XP SP3 RTM?

Thanks to one of our very own eagle eyed members kevpan815 we have spotted an interesting page on Microsoft.com regarding XP's support life cycle.

The page states General Availability Date of XP SP3 is 31/03/2008 meaning it may well have RTM'd already but the software giant has not made an official public announcement.

With rumours that Microsoft has delayed XP SP3 to encourage sales of Vista we'd hope to see Microsoft give an official response to this as soon as possible. We will update you once we get a response from the company.

Update: Microsoft has also posted a Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview whitepaper.
Microsoft has confirmed that the final version of Windows XP SP3 is still on target to be released the first half of calendar year 2008 but has refused to confirm an RTM date.

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View: Windows XP SP3 Overview

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Just watch, Microsoft keeps delaying XP SP3 so that they can promote Vista sales, and then when we get our RTM copies of XP SP3, Microsoft will have something screwed up to try and force us to switch to Vista.

Whilst I'm not adverse to this almost daily "Vista/XP" service pack melee, I'm starting to think that the majority of people here pounce on stuff like this. I'd like to see one person who uses Windows XP SP2 and cannot live with it another minute as they are absolutely sure XP3 will improve on a particular issue they are having.

Just wait...christ you're obviously livelong MS customers so you're used to it....I know I am.

Whilst I don't feel it will affect me as such, I do feel it will annoy me and heaps of other people. However, you do need to realise that support for Windows XP Service Pack 1/1a installations ended on the 10th of October 2006 so technically speaking they don't really have to bother.

We'll see what happens in due course, however.

Will SP3 have the ability to address 4GB memory? I sort of understand that this is a 32bit limitation. From what I have seen however, Windows 2003 server standard edition(32 bit) didn't start supporting 4GB until SP1. What's the difference?

(vvpower said @ #1)
Will SP3 have the ability to address 4GB memory? I sort of understand that this is a 32bit limitation. From what I have seen however, Windows 2003 server standard edition(32 bit) didn't start supporting 4GB until SP1. What's the difference?

False, no 32 bits Operating System on earth can address more than 4 GB of memory, except some special distro of linux that are able to map up to 64 GB of memory via a difficult and innefficient way to map memory. Even with the fact that a 32 bits Operating System is able to map "in theory" 64GB of memory using a special algorithm, an application can't use more than 4 GB of total memory by itself on a 32 bits OS. This fact is immutable.

Get a 64 bits OS.

(vanacid said @ #22.1)

False, no 32 bits Operating System on earth can address more than 4 GB of memory, except some special distro of linux that are able to map up to 64 GB of memory via a difficult and innefficient way to map memory. Even with the fact that a 32 bits Operating System is able to map "in theory" 64GB of memory using a special algorithm, an application can't use more than 4 GB of total memory by itself on a 32 bits OS. This fact is immutable.

Get a 64 bits OS.

I guess you are right. I'm not talking about 4gb memory for a single application though. I was saying that if I have 4gb ram with windows 2003, I can actually see 4gb in My Computer and Task Manager but only 3-3.7 gb in XP. So i guess my question is will XP SP3 allow me to see 4gb?

Why can't they use the dynamic update part of the setup process to send down all these updates. This would solve alot of problems of downloading updates againg after the setup had finished. Change the order of componet setup so whenever anyone reinstalls or installs a fresh copy of windows they have the latest installs and fixes availables immediatly to them. What does dynamic update do then?

ahhh who bloody cares. some of you people are creaming your jeans over a freakin' service pack. when its out its out. you've waited this long, a little more waiting isn't going to hurt.

man, you'd think SP3 was some hot babe or something.

take this rubbish off the front page already!

There is no confirmed info and its not an exclusive hence the topic title is a lie and shouldnt be on the main page. Starting to lose faith in neowin recently.

There is nothing exclusive about publicly posted information; secondly there is no download posted here. This post is nothing but an exclusive LQQK here and get your hopes up for nothing.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinXP#Service_Pack_3

"Although service packs have, until now, been cumulative, installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 requires that the computer must at least be running Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. [42] Whether this also affects slipstreaming is not clearly known. Also, Microsoft has not provided any information on whether SP3 will also contain all the previously released updates for Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition including .NET Framework versions 1.0 and 1.1 which are included in these Windows XP SKUs."

WTF!!
1. It HAS to be install also on Windows XP RTM.
2. MS HAVE to service XPMCE and XP Tablet PC, all parts included.

If they don't, they're going to further damage their reputation in my eyes.

Has anyone tried installing 5508 on a pre-SP1 copy of Windows? I've been curious about this myself. Not a huge deal though since you can just slipstream SP1 or SP2 and then slipstream SP3, and I can't imagine anyone in their right minds still running XP without at least SP1 installed.

Yes, using the method TRC gives above, it may not be that much of a big deal. The important thing to me is at least that you can get XP SP3 on a DVD and install from that one, and that definitely seems doable.

(xpclient said @ #14)
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinXP#Service_Pack_3

"Although service packs have, until now, been cumulative, installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 requires that the computer must at least be running Windows XP with Service Pack 1 installed. [42] Whether this also affects slipstreaming is not clearly known. Also, Microsoft has not provided any information on whether SP3 will also contain all the previously released updates for Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition including .NET Framework versions 1.0 and 1.1 which are included in these Windows XP SKUs."

WTF!!
1. It HAS to be install also on Windows XP RTM.
2. MS HAVE to service XPMCE and XP Tablet PC, all parts included.

If they don't, they're going to further damage their reputation in my eyes.

Just a note re: slipstream of SP3, in this thread over at M$ forums a M$ rep posted

We support generating integrating the service pack into an image on a network share, or an install point. We do not support generating bootable media.
.
There have been several threads there discussing SP3 "integration" and M$ as usual has done a phenominal job of weaving and dodging where a clear cut answer was wanted for consumer end-users position. From what I gather(and my head usually hurts after sifting thru those forums), SP3 will be able to be slipstreamed but there just won't be any support from M$ for it.
Also, IE7 will not be in SP3. I have no idea which version of WMP they are including.

It's just a big stall tactic to get people to switch to Fista. Personally I could care less at this point. They could give me Fista for free and I wouldn't use it. I use XP for gaming and the rest of the time I run linux. Any of my friends/family whom I have built systems for and/or do tech support for already know that I won't be supporting Fista. Most of them are looking at linux as well.

SP3 possible release data for consumer download - 13-Apr-2008.
Reason 13-Apr-2010 Support ends with SP2 seeing that “Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first.”

(PeterUK said @ #12)
SP3 possible release data for consumer download - 13-Apr-2008.
Reason 13-Apr-2010 Support ends with SP2 seeing that “Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first.”

close but no cigar, PeterUK. If you read this Tech ARP article:
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=521

earliest release of WinXP SP3 RTM is scheduled to be released in the 2nd half of April 2008.
I think we might see it in the week of April 20-26.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #17)
Rumors are news! Public information is exclusive! Up is down! Cats beget dogs! :rolleyes:

maybe you should get a job as a tv news reporter, GreyWolfSC. Rumors aren't always news and sometimes they're a bunch of baloney. BS to be exact, IMO.

changed to april first? where? the support page at msft still reads march 31st....

besides, april first is in the past too, we have april second by now......

(testman said @ #10.1)

So...
?

Double So: This document has been re-released several times by MS. It first came out last year. The fact that it has appeared again is meaningless.

Will you kids be patient.

Waiting for a service pack is like being with a beautiful woman, you have to be patient, gentle and treat it with respect and kindness.

Thats means quit whining and wait dam it!

(leesmithg said @ #9)
Will you kids be patient.

Waiting for a service pack is like being with a beautiful woman, you have to be patient, gentle and treat it with respect and kindness.

Thats means quit whining and wait dam it!

if you will remember, its been 4 years since we last had a service pack
i think we have been patient enough

(X'tyfe said @ #9.1)

if you will remember, its been 4 years since we last had a service pack
i think we have been patient enough

indeed i want the beautiful woman right now!

(leesmithg said @ #9)
Will you kids be patient.

Waiting for a service pack is like being with a beautiful woman, you have to be patient, gentle and treat it with respect and kindness.

Thats means quit whining and wait dam it!

What if we're not interested in women?

That would show that you're already running a Mac and this Neowin News posting is of no relevance to you.

(rbet said @ #9.4)
That would show that you're already running a Mac and this Neowin News posting is of no relevance to you.

Um... nope, no Mac here...

just because the page says 31/03 doesnt mean it has rtm'd was updated 3yrs ago! so please change title and remove it from front page.

The RTM has NOT been released.
Unless you can provide a credible source (no Beta people :P) then it's not out.

(Raa said @ #6)
The RTM has NOT been released.
Unless you can provide a credible source (no Beta people :P) then it's not out.

What are you talking about?

I don't understand the confusion. Microsoft will release SP3 when they are ready. The company is an autocracy, at least, run by very few people, this is the reason for "their" (Microsoft's) irrational behaviour. Just see ANY YouTube videos of Steve Ballmer (especially the "monkeyboy" ones). There is surely no reason for SP3 delay. In the past Microsoft have released enough botched software, especially service packs (including Vista SP1! )

They are delaying for one reason, they are very happy for people to download dozens of patches. They will eventually release SP3, and patch any bugs in their software or service pack etc. this is their M.O. for all the years I've been using their software. I gave up patching XP after SP2 (Office 2000 at SP1) One user I found recently was running Win2k SP3!. None of our users have managed to destroy their systems of the network (ISA2000 firewall). No amount of delays will make me (re)install Vista on those PC's bought with Vista. Personally I'll stick to WinXP for the foreseeable future. SP3 when it comes, better be good ;-)

(boho said @ #5)
I don't understand the confusion. Microsoft will release SP3 when they are ready. The company is an autocracy, at least, run by very few people, this is the reason for "their" (Microsoft's) irrational behaviour. Just see ANY YouTube videos of Steve Ballmer (especially the "monkeyboy" ones). There is surely no reason for SP3 delay. In the past Microsoft have released enough botched software, especially service packs (including Vista SP1! )

They are delaying for one reason, they are very happy for people to download dozens of patches. They will eventually release SP3, and patch any bugs in their software or service pack etc. this is their M.O. for all the years I've been using their software. I gave up patching XP after SP2 (Office 2000 at SP1) One user I found recently was running Win2k SP3!. None of our users have managed to destroy their systems of the network (ISA2000 firewall). No amount of delays will make me (re)install Vista on those PC's bought with Vista. Personally I'll stick to WinXP for the foreseeable future. SP3 when it comes, better be good ;-)


You're calling MS's behaviour irrational?

You say you stopped patching after SP2? Why? Surely that's way out there on the irrational scale.

And so what if someone had Win2000 SP3? What does that prove? It's not really that old.

build rc2 refresh 5508 ? or will it be higher ,build 5508 has no internet explorer 6 crash,and nothing in license on pre preview,rc2,beta hmmm mystery defined

yes i saw that too... perhaps an oversight? surely the new "availability date" would have been entered AFTER 2005, because no one would have had any idea about SP3 to be able to enter a date for it at all.

perhaps the question is HOW recently this page was updated... when the early builds of SP3 were surfacing (which could explain a working ETA that may not have been accurate)? or are we talking a mere few days ago (in which case this date should be fairly concrete)?

Its about time. Installing 80megs worth of updates is quite tedious and this close to release I cba to make a new cd with a few of the update rollouts

What do you mean 80MB? A fresh Windows XP SP2 installation downloads 689MB of critical updates alone. Never mind that after installing these there is another set of nearly 200MB to install, and then another 200MB of Optional Framework, etc.... updates.

I have no idea where you are getting 689 but I did a clean, slipstreamed install of XP SP2 just the other day and the updates indeed came to around 80 some megabytes. The optional updates are just that, optional.

There is no reason to waste time and bandwidth and to go through the tedious Windows Update process only to be left with a bunch of leftovers and messed system. As I've said several times before, a much cleaner solution before the SP3 is released would be to use (slipstream on the installation CD) now widely recognized RyanVM Post Update Pack: http://www.ryanvm.net/msfn/updatepack-sp2.html
Believe it or not, this pack actually makes Windows installation process few minutes faster than that with plain SP2 on it.