Microsoft's no-glasses 3D display

3D television may be on the rise, but let's be honest--no one really wants to put on a clunky pair of glasses whenever they sit down to vegg out. According to TechnologyReview, Microsoft's Applied Sciences Group is working on a new type of lens that may send 3D TV's worst accessory packing.

This new type of lens is thicker at the top, thinner at the bottom, and is able to guide light to a viewer's eyes by turning light-emitting diodes, located at the bottom edge of the display, on and off. It also has a backlight and can be used instead of backlights found in traditional LCD displays. This sort of setup allows different images to be shown to different eyes, of different viewers, leading to a 3D effect. To accomplish this intimate delivery of images, a camera is used to track the eyes of those watching the screen.

As of now, the technology is still pretty limited, and probably won't be seeing the inside of your living room anytime soon. The current prototype can show a 3D image to a maximum of two viewers at the same time, regardless of what angle they are sitting at. This differs from other glasses-less displays that have been developed by other companies which require users to sit at specific viewing angles. With a 2D image, four people can watch at the same time. This makes the display useless to larger families and large gatherings (read Super Bowl and World Cup).

Until this sort of 3D display matures, practical application of this technology would include smaller electronics, such as handheld gaming systems, smartphones, and other portable devices. If applied correctly, this particular lens could also allow users to direct light to their eyes only, removing the need for privacy protectors when dealing with sensitive information at work. No production plans have been announced.

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I have got the V screen for the PSP this has been out for mounths now it converts the PSP to 3D developed by realview.ie they are bringing out a deep screen which ataches to your TV which is a frenzil type screen which gives a depth efect it is very impresive more than one person can see this at a time duse not involve exspensive electronics , they are producing a 22inch screen for aprox $120
I have askd them to make me a 26inch 16.9 pannel for my TV should have this in a few weeks time it converts every thing to 3D !

Sounds like too much trouble technologically.
A better way would be to tap straight into the visual cortex by strapping some sort of device to the back of the head. Come to think of it, that wouldn't be the easiest thing to achieve either.

Shiranui said,
Sounds like too much trouble technologically.
A better way would be to tap straight into the visual cortex by strapping some sort of device to the back of the head. Come to think of it, that wouldn't be the easiest thing to achieve either.

What's next? Snap your fingers, your forehead opens up and you hook up to the computer via a wireless data link that streams the movie directly to your brain?

Osiris said,
MS approach sounds superior but in the interim other stuff is on the way already:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/0...o-now-this-is-more-like-it/

3D Eye Solutions also showed off no glasses 3d tech at CES2010.

Read the post, it says that there are other glass-less TV projects that are currently being worked on, but they are limited by the position that people need to stand in to actually see the 3D effect:

This differs from other glasses-less displays that have been developed by other companies which require users to sit at specific viewing angles.

This thing, on the other hand, would use a camera to track people's position so they do not have to rearrange their whole living room just so they can watch 3D:
To accomplish this intimate delivery of images, a camera is used to track the eyes of those watching the screen.

Metodi Mitov said,

Read the post, it says that there are other glass-less TV projects that are currently being worked on, but they are limited by the position that people need to stand in to actually see the 3D effect:

This thing, on the other hand, would use a camera to track people's position so they do not have to rearrange their whole living room just so they can watch 3D:

yeah...hence why I said MS solution sounds superior. I was illustrating to others some of the tech and approaches that are on the way. Get off your "read the article" bandwagon, take two steps back and pop a chill pill.

Having to wear glasses for 3d is so 90's.
I bet these new 3D overpriced screens that require glasses will dissapear very soon from store shelves.
People buying them now are going to regret it.

0nyX said,
Having to wear glasses for 3d is so 90's.
I bet these new 3D overpriced screens that require glasses will dissapear very soon from store shelves.
People buying them now are going to regret it.

Because a TV that tracks all viewers in the area, sends two separate beams of light to each of those views eyes is going to be cheaper?

Also, those people that are "going to regret it" are currently watching movies in a way that we don't get to experience at home for a few more years at the least. Those TV's cost just as much as any other big screen and when the new tv's come out, the same people that could afford the "overpriced screens" that you can't afford will be the same people buying the latest and greatest when you still can't afford it. Do rich people regret buying the car they bought last year every year when they get the newest model?

I don't mind the glasses in a theater. But i will never be interested in 3D TV at home as long as glasses are needed.

Also what if you wear actual glasses? Will reflection from the lens cause problems and such? Mine are slightly tinted so even that could have an effect on whether the 3D is displayed or not.

James Brooks said,
Also what if you wear actual glasses? Will reflection from the lens cause problems and such? Mine are slightly tinted so even that could have an effect on whether the 3D is displayed or not.

It sounds like it tracks the location of your eyes so it would send the light to your eyes and which shouldn't be any different than the way you view the world now with your glasses.

SputnikGamer said,

It sounds like it tracks the location of your eyes so it would send the light to your eyes and which shouldn't be any different than the way you view the world now with your glasses.

Except it might have an issue with tracking eyes that are behind a reflective surface, not to mention projecting the light through that reflective surface. Still, I doubt anyone here (unless some MicroSoft researcher is browsing the forum) would be able to give an accurate answer.

Metodi Mitov said,
Except it might have an issue with tracking eyes that are behind a reflective surface, not to mention projecting the light through that reflective surface.

Exactly my point. Physics 101.
Metodi Mitov said,
Still, I doubt anyone here (unless some MicroSoft researcher is browsing the forum) would be able to give an accurate answer.
Would be nice.

James Brooks said,

Exactly my point. Physics 101.
Would be nice.

Why is this so complicated? If the device can track your eyes, what makes you think it cant track your face. If it knows where your face is and can't see your eyes because of glasses reflections or whatever you seem to think physics prevents, it knows it just has to send one image to half of your face and another to the other half of your face. Stop over thinking. It isn't that hard of a concept.

Rudy said,
I wonder if I'll be able to see the 3d effect properly.... With the glasses I can't see 3d at all

Maybe you havent used those new glasses without the blue and red.

Soldiers33 said,

Maybe you havent used those new glasses without the blue and red.

or maybe they only have monocular vision

Soldiers33 said,

Maybe you havent used those new glasses without the blue and red.

There is a % of people who can't see the 3D effect with the glassess, it's a well known case, I just forget what the % is.

Rudy said,
I wonder if I'll be able to see the 3d effect properly.... With the glasses I can't see 3d at all

Neither can I Rudy. I'm red-green colorblind. It's a b*&&h, but then there's never been a 3-D movie I truly wanted to see before Avatar, which was good even in 2-D @ the drive in.

I thought someone had already shown off a 3D TV recently that didn't use glasses, but you had to be sitting in exactly the right position or something.

Corris said,
I thought someone had already shown off a 3D TV recently that didn't use glasses, but you had to be sitting in exactly the right position or something.

"This differs from other glasses-less displays that have been developed by other companies which require users to sit at specific viewing angles"

The difference is that this product isn't limited to the viewing angles. It tracks you and makes the "viewing angle" follow you instead of you "following" the viewing angle.

Corris said,
I thought someone had already shown off a 3D TV recently that didn't use glasses, but you had to be sitting in exactly the right position or something.

Yes, they article notes that, this will, if it works right, expand that to a wide enough area that more people can see the 3D image and you can sit anywhere in your room then.

I don't see a problem wearing glasses for 3D as I don't see a problem wearing headphones for better quality audio.

Rhialto said,
I don't see a problem wearing glasses for 3D as I don't see a problem wearing headphones for better quality audio.

Except there's plenty of people who get headaches from 3D glasses. Even if that were not the case, provided you had the choice of watching 3D with glasses or 3D without glasses, which would you pick?

Metodi Mitov said,
provided you had the choice of watching 3D with glasses or 3D without glasses, which would you pick?
The option that will offer the best 3D. I wear prescription glasses and have no problem adding a pair over it to enjoy 3D.

Kinect for the eyes. What happens if you look away from the "camera", I wonder how long it would take till it re-configures?

James Brooks said,
Kinect for the eyes. What happens if you look away from the "camera", I wonder how long it would take till it re-configures?

Considering they could use the same software that makes Kinect track your body parts, they would just have to track which way your face as pointing the whole time. That does bring up a good question. Lets say one of these things can display to up to 10 people at a time but only one person is watching currently. Will it save power by turning off the transmissions that would be used for 9 other people or would it waste electricity while "idle"?

James Brooks said,
Kinect for the eyes. What happens if you look away from the "camera", I wonder how long it would take till it re-configures?

I don't think it works that way, the idea is that the TV can send out the 3D image in a large enough area from the tv that anyone sitting infront can see the 3D image automatically. It's basically about spamming the 3D light like a TV normally does right now with 2D etc. There's no eye tracking going on etc.

GP007 said,

I don't think it works that way, the idea is that the TV can send out the 3D image in a large enough area from the tv that anyone sitting infront can see the 3D image automatically. It's basically about spamming the 3D light like a TV normally does right now with 2D etc. There's no eye tracking going on etc.

Read the article and then post.

"To accomplish this intimate delivery of images, a camera is used to track the eyes of those watching the screen."

This would be truely awesome, the main thing putting me off 3D displays is having to wear them stupid glasses. There is no way I would actually want to lye in bed or in my living room wearing some uncomfortable glasses that eventually give me a headache.

Now this makes a lot more sense. I never really bothered to even think about buying one of those new 3d tv because it don't think its worth it. Suppose I have a few more friends over to watch, I definitely would have enough glasses for everyone. Hope they get this one to work soon.

Chasethebase said,
I've never cared for 3D, I don't see why so many people are interested in it...

then theres no need to comment in a topic about it for people that are. oh wait.......

Chasethebase said,
I've never cared for 3D, I don't see why so many people are interested in it...

It is about user experience, just like 5.1 channel surround sound, it gives you more details of sound/ music you hear.

Chasethebase said,
I've never cared for 3D, I don't see why so many people are interested in it...

I thought that to, until I saw Avatar in 3D. OMG.

LaP said,
I hate color TV. We should go back to black and white ...

Black and white? Pfft, nonsense. We should go back to the time when people used to beat each-other over the head with rocks and could only cook food after a lightning had hit a tree nearby, setting it on fire.

Meph said,
I never knew Microsoft made this sort of thing.... Then again, they did make Kinect, so never mind.

You'd be surprised to know about the sort of things Microsoft Research develops in its laboratories. Definitely one of the most active companies in the research and applications field, unfortunately they have a very bad marketing division coupled with an arguably* bad public image.

* They went from "evil microsoft !" to "meh" over the past 5 years.

Drunken Beard said,

You'd be surprised to know about the sort of things Microsoft Research develops in its laboratories. Definitely one of the most active companies in the research and applications field, unfortunately they have a very bad marketing division coupled with an arguably* bad public image.

* They went from "evil microsoft !" to "meh" over the past 5 years.

One would think that the marketing division is doing its job if there's improvement from 'evil microsoft'

Metodi Mitov said,

One would think that the marketing division is doing its job if there's improvement from 'evil microsoft'


its marketing division is top notch, they are and have been number 1 for almost 2 decades now...

its just that allot of what MS researches, never gets publicly known, and even more never gets released.

lol, when i read "no glasses" 1st thing my mind thought was about the 3D TVs with camera that was tracking your position and according to your position it was creating a 3D view for you

In case HD resolution is preserved or near to be preserved, it's all good. But I have the suspicion the perceived resolution is raped in the process of providing the effect.

Yep until 3d doesn't need glasses it will never be useful or be in people's home. This artificial push of 3d displays and players is pretty sad, no one wants that crap until you don't need glasses.

swanlee said,
Yep until 3d doesn't need glasses it will never be useful or be in people's home. This artificial push of 3d displays and players is pretty sad, no one wants that crap until you don't need glasses.

Using absolutes like "no one" makes your comment sound retarded. All it takes is one person to want it even with glasses and you are proven wrong like this: They sell them at all Sears stores and Best Buy. That's two cases where it is making money, hence you are wrong. It might not be kicking off into a large market, but someone wanted it with the glasses.

SputnikGamer said,

Using absolutes like "no one" makes your comment sound retarded.

Good point, but using words like "retarded" makes your comment sound.......

If Microsoft can achieve this, then they have hit a revolution in TV's. This could be great, and like rootedroid said, hopefully it won't cause headaches for those who do get headaches from watching 3D Movies with 3D Glasses.

I hope they push ahead on this strong, this is the type of things MS can come up with and score big on if it works well.

Antaris said,
Holy crap! That would be awesome. The glasses have always put me off watching 3D films...

I agree. Hopefully this won't cause headaches either

rootedroid said,

I agree. Hopefully this won't cause headaches either


Yeah thats what putting me off 3D films... Headaches are really bad