Microsoft's Frank Shaw: Apple is playing "catch up" with us

Microsoft's Frank Shaw says the new Surface tablets are a better value than Apple's new iPad Air.

Apple CEO Tim Cook used the company's press event on Tuesday to take a few shots at Apple's competition. While Cook never mentioned Microsoft by name, he clearly had Redmond in mind when he said that it was "confused" when it came to offering hardware products, saying, "They tried to make tablets into PCs and PCs into tablets."

Now it's time for Microsoft to take a few shots of its own, and unlike Cook they have no problems in naming their competitors. In a new blog post titled "Apples and oranges", Microsoft's VP of communications Frank Shaw took Apple, and unnamed members of the media, to task. He stated that the new iPad Air and the reduced price of the iPad 2 still didn't offer consumers a better value than Microsoft's Surface 2 and Surface Pro 2 tablets.

Shaw stated that the features of the Surface tablets, such as free versions of Microsoft Office, their optional keyboard accessories and their ability to run multiple apps at once on screen make the product stand out. He added:

We also knew that it would make our competitors take notice. That as consumers got a taste of devices that could really help them get things done, they would see alternatives as being more limited. And so it’s not surprising that we see other folks now talking about how much “work” you can get done on their devices. Adding watered down productivity apps. Bolting on aftermarket input devices. All in an effort to convince people that their entertainment devices are really work machines.

Shaw also said that Apple's decision to make its iWork family of software products free for new hardware purchases was not a big deal either, saying, "... when I see Apple drop the price of their struggling, lightweight productivity apps, I don’t see a shot across our bow, I see an attempt to play catch up."

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Ha..Ha. What else you can expect to be coming out from MS people's. Self praising their product but the demand of their product tells some other stories.

Auditor said,
Ha..Ha. What else you can expect to be coming out from MS people's. Self praising their product but the demand of their product tells some other stories.
Uhm, did you see Apples show 2 days ago? They kept talking about how better their products are than Windows en Surface.

Studio384 said,
Uhm, did you see Apples show 2 days ago? They kept talking about how better their products are than Windows en Surface.

Oh well Apple has millions of unit sales number to back up their claim while MS has billion dollar write down.

Auditor said,

Oh well Apple has millions of unit sales number to back up their claim while MS has billion dollar write down.

Just like Windows vs. OSX.

The article's title should be, "SURPRISE! A VP at Microsoft does not like the iPad!"

I wouldn't pay too much attention to what Shaw has to say. He gets paid by Microsoft to say awesome things about Microsoft. Who knows, in a few years time, he could be blogging about how he's looking forward to the iPad Air 3, or how the Nexus 7 version 4 is the only thing hotter than the weather.

I also think it's cute that he brings up Apple's RDF, while spinning his own. I'm actually shocked he didn't bring up the whole Apple=Religion bit. I bet it's saving it for later. Probably to explain why the Surface's sales don't match the two competing products I mentioned above.

benthebear said,
The article's title should be, "SURPRISE! A VP at Microsoft does not like the iPad!"

I wouldn't pay too much attention to what Shaw has to say. He gets paid by Microsoft to say awesome things about Microsoft. Who knows, in a few years time, he could be blogging about how he's looking forward to the iPad Air 3, or how the Nexus 7 version 4 is the only thing hotter than the weather.

I also think it's cute that he brings up Apple's RDF, while spinning his own. I'm actually shocked he didn't bring up the whole Apple=Religion bit. I bet it's saving it for later. Probably to explain why the Surface's sales don't match the two competing products I mentioned above.

I wouldn't be surprised - anyone remember the leaked memos out of Microsoft that seem to make their way to the surface every few years? I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years he 'leaves for family reasons' and starts blogging about his time at Microsoft and how they would talk about how Android and iOS have the edge because they actually spent time fixing the damn operating system instead of focusing on making pretty hardware with high spec numbers.

I think what is most annoying about Microsoft is that they have a lot of talented people that are managed so badly that you're going to see people jump ship than deal with the internal politics of the said company.

They are catching up on everything except Keynote. Keynote blows powerpoint out of the water completely. Everything else in apple's suite is garbage compared to the rest of office. If they put the same work they put into Keynote as they did for everything else then I could see buying the suite. Hell if they did a bundle instead of selling it individual I would be more willing to buy it.

Everyone is playing 'catch up' in some area of tech.

No one of the big tech companies should get full of themselves, although in Apples case that may be too late, because things can change very quickly.

The only thing Apple has going for it in mobile is that they have a big following in the US and the #1 app store. Otherwise, Apple has been playing catch up to Google and Microsoft by borrowing features from Android and Windows Phone.

myxomatosis said,
Oh please Microsoft... Apple and Google are years ahead of you in the mobile market...

Only in apps. Not even close in quality and security of the OS and in some ways not even in hardware design.

Apple can't even build a secure lockscreen, and don't even get me started on the oxymoron of Android security.

Relativity_17 said,
Yeah, and Microsoft is years ahead of Apple and Google in the Xbox market...

Did Apple or Google said that Microsoft was playing a "catch-up" game in the gaming market?
I don't see your point, you sound like a butthurt Microsoft fanboy who can't accept that Microsoft isn't #1 in every market.

Forjo said,

Only in apps. Not even close in quality and security of the OS and in some ways not even in hardware design.

Whatever floats your boat Market shares tell a different story

myxomatosis said,

Whatever floats your boat Market shares tell a different story

iOS has been out longer. Apple is like a cult. There are iSheep. Geesh!

headsoup said,

What's that got to do with the above statement?

What he says: "Only in apps. Not even close in quality and security of the OS and in some ways not even in hardware design."

WP8 isn't selling, they sell iPhones and Droid phones like hotcakes. Apple and Google must do something right if they sell more phones in a month than Microsoft in a year uh?

as a whole in the world and not just the US, which a lot of you think is the world, android is doing very well, apple is loosing ground, and wp is picking up a lot of marketshare around the world. When talking about stuff, please don't think the whole world is the USA.

Who said WP8 isn't selling? that's right, YOU! And before you post link about sales chart of Android, Apple or Blackberry. Please save yourself sometime by looking at WP growth from a year ago.

The way I see it WP8 is growing, would you say Steam box is not selling? You want the TRUTH!! Nintendo is not selling.

myxomatosis said,

WP8 isn't selling, they sell iPhones and Droid phones like hotcakes. Apple and Google must do something right if they sell more phones in a month than Microsoft in a year uh?

minster11 said,
Who said WP8 isn't selling? that's right, YOU! And before you post link about sales chart of Android, Apple or Blackberry. Please save yourself sometime by looking at WP growth from a year ago.

The way I see it WP8 is growing, would you say Steam box is not selling? You want the TRUTH!! Nintendo is not selling.

It sells, in your imaginary world off flying unicorns and fanboyism

myxomatosis said,
Oh please Microsoft... Apple and Google are years ahead of you in the mobile market...

Really? Apple then finally succeeding in getting the full version of OS X running on the iPad like they originally wanted to do?

(Microsoft got a bigger and more complex OS aka Windows NT 8 running on the same class of processor, efficiently.)

Edited by Mobius Enigma, Oct 24 2013, 10:07am :

myxomatosis said,

Whatever floats your boat Market shares tell a different story

Market share doesn't tell any "story" about product quality in comparison to competitors. There are many other factors -- chief among them, marketing. And as everyone knows, Apple has been exceptional at marketing their products.

The Ipad runs a enlarged modified Iphone iOS. The Windows RT tablets run a full ported Windows 8 that has the sophisticated desktop and modern 'tablet' apps. The Ipad is still lacking many things that almost all other tablets have now like Microsd slots, USB ports, mini hdmi ports etc. The Windows RT tablets have the potential to be Ipad killers especially with Office 2013 and the full desktop included, but a lot more modern app developers need to hop on board.

A full ported Windows 8 that can only run enlarged phone apps with a sophisticated, yet very limited, desktop that was tacked on because there is no modern version of Office. And yes, the iPad lacks a lot of stuff that you consider to be important features, but there are a lot of people who just don't care to have a device with everything imaginable crammed into it.

Every device that comes out has the potential to be an iPad killer, but Windows RT? Just about everyone but Microsoft (I'd almost count Nokia too, but we all know MS bought them out) stopped making Windows RT devices, so they have a large battle to fight alone.

benthebear said,
A full ported Windows 8 that can only run enlarged phone apps with a sophisticated, yet very limited, desktop that was tacked on because there is no modern version of Office. And yes, the iPad lacks a lot of stuff that you consider to be important features, but there are a lot of people who just don't care to have a device with everything imaginable crammed into it.

Every device that comes out has the potential to be an iPad killer, but Windows RT? Just about everyone but Microsoft (I'd almost count Nokia too, but we all know MS bought them out) stopped making Windows RT devices, so they have a large battle to fight alone.

The full version of Microsoft Office applications that 'technically' cannot even be designed to run on an operating system like iOS are not 'phone apps'.

Apple copying metro style, nokias phone style, and now giving office productivity free like on surface. Yep they are playing catch up. Next up, putting touch on Macs and letting them run ios apps. Even with the release of the cheap iPad mini, last quarter iPad sales tanked %14. Not looking good.

I like the fact that ipad sales are down and have been dropping steadily has been completely ignored by most the tech media.

vcfan said,
Apple copying metro style, nokias phone style, and now giving office productivity free like on surface. Yep they are playing catch up. Next up, putting touch on Macs and letting them run ios apps. Even with the release of the cheap iPad mini, last quarter iPad sales tanked %14. Not looking good.
iOS7 looks nothing like metro, nice try though

vcfan said,
Apple copying metro style, nokias phone style, and now giving office productivity free like on surface. Yep they are playing catch up. Next up, putting touch on Macs and letting them run ios apps. Even with the release of the cheap iPad mini, last quarter iPad sales tanked %14. Not looking good.

I have to disagree with you there. I think that people who claim that Apple copied the Metro style have never used an iOS device. The only thing Apple, "copied," is throwing a few more solid colors in there. Metro is flat like a book, has live tiles, and navigation goes from side to side. iOS 7 is the same has it has been for years as far as navigation goes. It uses transparencies, movement, and gradients to simulate layers. And a bunch of other stuff I don't care to go into right now, but if you put the two side by side you will see that they are completely different.

benthebear said,

I have to disagree with you there. I think that people who claim that Apple copied the Metro style have never used an iOS device. The only thing Apple, "copied," is throwing a few more solid colors in there. Metro is flat like a book, has live tiles, and navigation goes from side to side. iOS 7 is the same has it has been for years as far as navigation goes. It uses transparencies, movement, and gradients to simulate layers. And a bunch of other stuff I don't care to go into right now, but if you put the two side by side you will see that they are completely different.

You have to agree that apple followed Microsoft in the "modernizing" and "cleaning" of their UI. Apple has been heavy on gradients, and now the gradients are more subtle (no gradients on WP)

They removed the skewmorphic. (WP has no skewmorphic stuff)
They lessened the looks of the "bars" (like navigation, title, etc) similar to WP which only has one app bar
Used thinner fonts (copied WP)
Display current weather on icon (copied from live tiles)
They Lock screen doesn't have multiple layers (Clock overlays exactly like WP)
Multitasker is an exact replica of WP and Web OS
Swipe up to close application in multitasker is a copy from ANDROID
Transparencies are cleaner =copied from android (no gradient + transparency like on ios6 lock screen)
Slide to unlock is gone like there is none on WP and Android
Notification Center is copied right out of Android
Control Center is copied out of Android
Radio also copied from Spotify/Pandora and Android
Motion Wallpapers= android
ios 7 calulator = WP calculator
panorama =android
rapid picture taking = WP (Microsoft Blink App)
photo filters = android
mail swipe = android
safari tab switching = android
incoming call = WP http://www.wpcentral.com/sites...2013/06/2.jpg?itok=Sma92z7j

Cupertino start your photocopiers!

ians18 said,

...Radio also copied from Spotify/Pandora and Android ...

Most of the things you mention you give credit to Android, yet they existed before Google even bought the code for Android, let alone adding the features to Android.

You are correct that Apple has copied these things though.

The lineages are scattered throughout the software industry; however, the most direct copied features, Apple is more comfortable taking from Microsoft, as they have their special 'we can use your stuff' agreement'.

For example:
Radio is more of a copy of Zune Subscription that predates Android and Pandora. It is now called Xbox Music and is where the 'Smart DJ' aka 'Radio' feature comes from.

Apple has taken advantage of the agreement with Microsoft far more than Microsoft has taken advantage of Apple. iOS and OS X are filled with Microsoft technologies and UI concepts.

I agree. It must be frustrating on Microsoft's part. I'm an iPad user (and nearly all of my computer devices are Apple devices at this point), but I think that the Surface is a really nice device. The problem is that it doesn't really compete directly with the iPad or other tablets.

I'll use myself as an example. I work in the medical setting, and use my iPad mini for referencing and recording information. Even though I'm stuck with the fat-tipped capacitive styluses, it has essentially replaced paper for me. The size and weight make this possible, and the battery life is phenomenal - even on my longest, heaviest-use days I've barely gotten the battery below 40%. The iPad can't fully replace my computer, but it allows me to handle a surprisingly large number of tasks on-the-go.

I've played with demo Surfaces and read a few reviews. It's a very cool device. It's the type of thing that could seemingly replace a computer and a tablet. The problem is that it doesn't excel in acting as either a tablet or a computer. The Surface Pro has pretty poor battery life, even compared to Apple's laptops. The Surface (ARM variant) fares a bit better, but what's the point of Surface if I can't run the full-fledged Windows applications? At that point it begins to compare more directly to the iPad, but it isn't a favorable comparison: you're still able to do more computer-related tasks, but you're still suffering on the tablet front (battery life, portability).

I think that the Surface could be the perfect device for a lot of people. Yet it's being billed as a tablet-type device, and it doesn't compare favorably to the expectations of tablets that Apple and the Android vendors have set. It isn't right or wrong, but many now expect tablets to be ultra-portable (including battery life) and they don't expect them to be as full-featured or usable as computers.

I hope that Microsoft doesn't give up on the Surface. It has a lot of potential.

Microsoft has built a whole lot of confusion around RT and x86 that is for sure. Apple has built a very nice and separate ecosystem for the iPad and the Mac. Microsoft took a step in the wrong direction with Windows 8. It is far to confusing and that start screen is like having a whole other desktop along the traditional one which gets really confusing for some (or most really). Windows 8 is all out tedious. And even worse is that a Office 365 sub on a surface pro costs alot. iWork and iCloud are free as well as iLife. They are also pretty capable working suites unlike what Microsoft claims.

Funny, Microsoft has resorted to trying to create "WebApps" - mere links to mobile sites that they've tried to disguise as apps placed there by uninvolved third parties - which they've now gotten in trouble for. And violated their own Windows Store's TOS in the process: "An app cannot simply be a link to a website".

If we're being very honest who's REALLY chasing whom? Microsoft's entire Metro-based business model is a disappointingly late overreaction to iPad.

Edited by Dilburt, Oct 23 2013, 11:56pm :

Were they really just links to the web site, or were they more like a touch friendly wrapper? I never used any of them and didn't think it was a great idea, but please tell me it had to be more than just a link?

Enron said,
Were they really just links to the web site, or were they more like a touch friendly wrapper? I never used any of them and didn't think it was a great idea, but please tell me it had to be more than just a link?

Read for yourself - Neowin has several articles about Microsoft creating these WebApps on behalf of uninvolved third parties, going as far as filling in the "Published By" field with the name of the company (ie Cars.com, Southwest, etc). That's blatant misrepresentation and no wonder the companies ordered C&D's.

And regardless of what you think of it, that's just plain scraping the bottom of the barrel desperation. Much as I dislike Apple, "playing catch up" was a poor choice of phrasing for MS when considering the irony here.

Dilburt said,
Funny, Microsoft has resorted to trying to create "WebApps" - mere links to mobile sites that they've tried to disguise as apps placed there by uninvolved third parties - which they've now gotten in trouble for. And violated their own Windows Store's TOS in the process: "An app cannot simply be a link to a website".

If we're being very honest who's REALLY chasing whom? Microsoft's entire Metro-based business model is a disappointingly late overreaction to iPad.


Well, that's YOUR opinion. I am a huge fan of the Metro interfaces/approach on all their products.

it's not surprising that we see other folks now talking about how much “work” you can get done on their devices. Adding watered down productivity apps. Bolting on aftermarket input devices. All in an effort to convince people that their entertainment devices are really work machines.

Someone mind explaining what he's even talking about? The so-called "watered down productivity apps" have been available since the very first day the iPad was released? And what aftermarket input devices is he talking about that haven't been available for years?! Just wondering...

CSheep said,

Someone mind explaining what he's even talking about? The so-called "watered down productivity apps" have been available since the very first day the iPad was released? And what aftermarket input devices is he talking about that haven't been available for years?! Just wondering...

They've "been available", but now Apple giving them away with IOS 7. I think that's what he's talking about.

Office has always been the king. Just need to add more functionality to the Web Apps to beat Google.

Microsoft needs more RT tablets. The iPad is definitely not one size fits all, but neither is Surface. The thing is Microsoft is a OS company, having RT run on all specific types (like drawing, editing, writing) tablets would make RT more appealing to each unique person unlike the iPad which is one way or no way.

An example of this is one with Wacom Digitizer Support, and one that has audio input with plenty of storage.

Edited by ians18, Oct 23 2013, 11:08pm :

What incentive is there for "Asus, LG, Samsung, etc" to team up with Microsoft when all their marketing is behind their own Surface and Nokia branded tablets and phones? Not to mention the fee Microsoft still insists on charging for licenses of their mobile OS. The decks are stacked against third parties, Microsoft clearly doesn't want them around based on how they've been treated.

That's the problem... Microsoft needs to go straight to them and figure something out.

Edited by ians18, Oct 23 2013, 11:48pm :

Well of course there's no incentive for other OEMs. They can't install all the bloatware they're used to installing on x86 windows

That's pretty funny when even Linux is more useful than Windows as a Developer. They're really talking about productivity, but I still don't believe them to be any organized with that. Office 365 is already a hell of a monthly and yearly fee compared to iWork + iCloud.

Apple probably doesn't need to worry about the prices because they know everything they've built is covered and doesn't make any losses. I mean, hell, the entire OS X and iOS are built so well that they don't have to worry about building things from the ground up unlike .NET since the XP days all the way to Vista.

Mr.XXIV said,

I'm sorry, tell me again, what's not?

Well once you stop editing your comment into a novel. I originally was responding to your claim that Linux is more useful than Windows as a developer. Not true. Then you tacked on something about Office 365 not being as good a value as iWork and iCloud... maybe if you don't do much productivity, but Pages and Numbers are horribly slow on the desktop and the web apps require janky plugins. Skydrive works better than iCloud and is free and gives you more storage.

I'm a PHP Web Developer, so I use OS X and Ubuntu 13.10

I couldn't top productivity with Windows over OS X. Hell, I can SSH on the iPad whenever I'm not at home, and I do NOT like Putty.

Did you ever try the NEW versions of iWork?

Mr.XXIV said,
That's pretty funny when even Linux is more useful than Windows as a Developer.

Oh because Linux runs on 90% of computers around the world and can reach millions of people all at once. Wait... that's Windows.

adrynalyne said,
I have iWork at home, so yes.

What does OS X offer me in the way of .NET development that Windows does not?

This. Have fun developing .NET without Visual Studio. When it comes to IDEs, VS is at the top.

Mr.XXIV said,

Apple probably doesn't need to worry about the prices because they know everything they've built is covered and doesn't make any losses.

I think "free" is a desperate move from Apple, they can't afford to charge for their updates. They have seen that model fail on Macs, but seen it successful on idevices. iWork is free because they want to show they have a free app on their iFail of a device. Microsoft gives the entire Office away for free on Windows RT because they can, not like apple when they have to.

Mr.XXIV said,
iFail..what does that differ from the 100s of Windows and Android companies vs 1?

Because Microsoft can do that because they can and Apple has to do that because they Have NO productivity suite Market Share.

Mr.XXIV said,
I'm a PHP Web Developer, so I use OS X and Ubuntu 13.10

I couldn't top productivity with Windows over OS X. Hell, I can SSH on the iPad whenever I'm not ATM home, and I do NOT like Putty.

Did you ever try the NEW versions of iWork?

By capitalizing Web Developer you think it's a title or something. It's not. Don't capitalize it. It's not a big deal.

Mr.XXIV said,
I couldn't top productivity with Windows over OS X. Hell, I can SSH on the iPad whenever I'm not at home, and I do NOT like Putty.

Aside from pretty much every dev tool being available for Windows as well (including more web dev tools than you can count)... you do know that there's other SSH clients if that one isn't doing it for you yea?

Max Norris said,

Aside from pretty much every dev tool being available for Windows as well (including more web dev tools than you can count)... you do know that there's other SSH clients if that one isn't doing it for you yea?

Yea?

I'm glad I have a Terminal in OS X and it's practically the same as Ubuntu Server.
I'm glad I can partition my main damn SSD WHILE being productive.
I'm glad there are great apps like Panic's Transmit, Sequel Pro, 1Password, AU Lab + Soundflower, many social apps that work GREAT on OS X. I don't even need the browser for Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and some other stuff if all I need to do is say something. I'm always going to love iCloud and how I can take advantage of everything I use. Especially 1Password.
I'm glad for so many things that make things easy are built into OS X.

Being a person who's used Windows for over a decade. I've been dying to transition to OS X for years. And thank God, I got my Mac Mini when Mountain Lion was out, because I've never had to worry as much as I did on Windows. On Windows, I lost over 75,000 songs due to the HDD and software management.

And hell if I ever have to put up with McAfee and Norton.

Mr.XXIV said,
I'm glad I have a Terminal in OS X and it's practically the same as Ubuntu Server.

Cute. And as I said before there's a bunch of terminals for Windows too. I'm glad I have a lot of choices. So what?
Mr.XXIV said,
I'm glad I can partition my main damn SSD WHILE being productive.

And how often does that come up?
Mr.XXIV said,
I'm glad there are great apps like Panic's Transmit, Sequel Pro, 1Password, AU Lab + Soundflower, many social apps that work GREAT on OS X. I don't even need the browser for Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and some other stuff if all I need to do is say something. I'm always going to love iCloud and how I can take advantage of everything I use. Especially 1Password.

Again, cute. And I got access to a bajillion programs and then some as well. I don't need to use a browser for those things either. So what?

Don't need to spout your OS superiority speech at me thanks, I do have an OSX system here, just pointing out there's more than just the one terminal for Windows out there.. including a few that bear a startling resemblance to what's available on other OS's, never mind pointing out that you're trying to make it sound like Windows is inadequate for Web Development, when it's anything but, especially when a lot of the tools are the same, never mind a bunch more that aren't available elsewhere.

Max Norris said,

Cute. And as I said before there's a bunch of terminals for Windows too. I'm glad I have a lot of choices. So what?

Adorable. Why a bunch when one can do many? And how often to do you choose to run into different terminals besides Debian and CentOS?

Max Norris said,

And how often does that come up?

A lot actually. I have to partition my 2nd drive 4 or 5 pieces. Media (iTunes), Documents, Software, Server, Backup. Though I may just keep my Server files on my SSD since it's always awake and runs faster.

Max Norris said,

Again, cute. And I got access to a bajillion programs and then some as well. I don't need to use a browser for those things either. So what?

Again, adorable. Why need a bajillion, when one can do what many can do plus more? Shoot, I'd use Coda or Subliminal, but whatever.

Max Norris said,

Don't need to spout your OS superiority speech at me thanks, I do have an OSX system here, just pointing out there's more than just the one terminal for Windows out there.. including a few that bear a startling resemblance to what's available on other OS's, never mind pointing out that you're trying to make it sound like Windows is inadequate for Web Development, when it's anything but, especially when a lot of the tools are the same, never mind a bunch more that aren't available elsewhere.

As far as the abilities or capabilities of Windows, I wouldn't say inadequate, just not superior when it comes to working on *nix based servers and the files within them. You can do things on Windows, just not as quicker, efficient, and power saving.

Mr.XXIV said,


A lot actually. I have to partition my 2nd drive 4 or 5 pieces. Media (iTunes), Documents, Software, Server, Backup. Though I may just keep my Server files on my SSD since it's always awake and runs faster.

As far as the abilities or capabilities of Windows, I wouldn't say inadequate, just not superior when it comes to working on *nix based servers and the files within them. You can do things on Windows, just not as quicker, efficient, and power saving.

1. If you have to repartition a lot (your words), then might I suggest you are doing something wrong?

2. On your second point, it is 110% dependent on the user, and you know it.

Mr.XXIV said,
Adorable. Why a bunch when one can do many? And how often to do you choose to run into different terminals besides Debian and CentOS?

I don't. Again, if you missed it, I was just commenting on your dislike of PuTTY. Namely, you got tons of choices. Including some that are very very similar to what's available on Debian and CentOS. The one I personally use does everything that the one I use on my BSD desktop does and then some, but /shrug whatever floats your boat and all that.

Mr.XXIV said,
A lot actually. I have to partition my 2nd drive 4 or 5 pieces. Media (iTunes), Documents, Software, Server, Backup. Though I may just keep my Server files on my SSD since it's always awake and runs faster.

Great. But not only is that typically a once and done thing, but you were commenting on your "main damn SSD", not your second drive. Again, so what? Never mind, just a suggestion, may want to plan that sort of thing out in advance, proper file management and all that.

Mr.XXIV said,
Again, adorable. Why need a bajillion, when one can do what many can do plus more? Shoot, I'd use Coda or Subliminal, but whatever.

My we're on a superiority kick aren't we? So having more choices is a bad thing now? Looking at what Coda's capable of, that's nice, I have access to several IDE's that do the same thing and then some. Subliminal.. do you mean Sublime? Err we got that too.

Mr.XXIV said,
As far as the abilities or capabilities of Windows, I wouldn't say inadequate, just not superior when it comes to working on *nix based servers and the files within them. You can do things on Windows, just not as quicker, efficient, and power saving.

Speak for yourself, I see zero difference between working with servers and files on them when I'm working in Windows, especially since if I so choose I can use the exact same tools to do it, including a Bash terminal, hell even some of *Nix's file managers if the mood hits me. But again, so f'ing what? It's down to what the user's doing, what tools they're using and their experience level. If you don't know the tools, the yea, duh, you're going to be slow at it regardless of the OS. You're the one turning this into a ****ing contest when the whole original comment stemmed from "I hate PuTTY." Get a grip, man. Just pointing out alternatives, save the rhetoric for somebody who's buying.

Let's get real MS -

When it comes to your office productivity software, everyone envies it even Apple.

But don't tell me you aren't playing a bit of "catch up" yourself in the mobile and tablet space. I bet your envy for Apple sells matches Apple's envy of Office sells.

Mr. Shaw has some nerve mentioning "Bolted on aftermarket input devices" when Microsoft doesn't bother to include one in any of the Surface offerings. Nope. $129 extra for a keyboard, even at the $999 Surface Pro pricepoint. Baffling.

The Ipad doesn't even have a freaking USB port or a Microsd slot. All the other tablets have those features now. The ipad offers such basic features unlike what Windows RT has like the file explorer, my computer where you can view your storage space + files, network & sharing, a full fledge control panel, group edit, registry editing and most importantly Office 2013. Can the iPad install a printer or scanner driver just like that, no. I was really impressed when I could print a document from Office 2013 on Windows RT and I didn't even have to install my wireless printer drivers.

Dilburt said,
Mr. Shaw has some nerve mentioning "Bolted on aftermarket input devices" when Microsoft doesn't bother to include one in any of the Surface offerings. Nope. $129 extra for a keyboard, even at the $999 Surface Pro pricepoint. Baffling.

Missing the point...

Surface includes a STANDARD USB port that supports MILLIONS of devices.

The 'support' of 'millions' of devices is the key piece here, as you can hook up any printer, mouse, controller, etc and they work.

Lone Wanderer Chicken said,
The Ipad doesn't even have a freaking USB port or a Microsd slot. All the other tablets have those features now. The ipad offers such basic features unlike what Windows RT has like the file explorer, my computer where you can view your storage space + files, network & sharing, a full fledge control panel, group edit, registry editing and most importantly Office 2013. Can the iPad install a printer or scanner driver just like that, no. I was really impressed when I could print a document from Office 2013 on Windows RT and I didn't even have to install my wireless printer drivers.

None of that stuff seems to be selling Surface tablets, for some reason...

(and, lol at registry edit)