Microsoft's new outlook.com commercial highlights its support of gay marriage

Microsoft announced a few weeks back that it would be kicking its Outlook.com campaign into high gear. Continuing that effort, Microsoft has released a new video for the Outlook.com service but it also highlights the company’s stance on one important social issue.

Gay marriage and Outlook.com are not two items you would typically pair together but that is the case with a new Outlook.com commercial. A new video was posted to the Outlook.com YouTube account that starts out like a few of their other commercials but has a scene where two women are married in front of what looks like a court house.

It’s clear from the advertisement that Microsoft is in support of gay marriage and this commercial highlights that fact. While we have yet to see this particular advertisement on TV (it was released late yesterday), it does send a strong public message that Microsoft supports equal rights for all couples.

Whatever your stance is on gay marriage, Microsoft has firmly planted its foot in support for the social issue that is currently circling the globe.

This is not the first time that Microsoft has come out in support of gay marriage. Back in June of 2012, Microsoft formally opposed the Defense of Marriage act in the US. In addition to Microsoft, Google, eBay, Electronic Arts, and Zynga have all stated they oppose the law as well.

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Add Amazon to the list of companies with pro-gay advertising/statements. They ran a nice commercial for the Kindle a while back.

I'm all about the product. People do stuff I don't agree with all the time, but if the product they're developing is good - I am not going to shoot myself in the foot and not use it. However, I am a Gmail guy. Outlook is too finicky for my liking.

Bah. Reading through some of these comments is rage inducing. It's as if tons of Microsoft employees had molested hundreds of children and are trying cover it up. Wtf is wrong with you people.

Shadow 024 said,
It's as if tons of Microsoft employees had molested hundreds of children and are trying cover it up. Wtf is wrong with you people.

But please, read our book of fairy tales to explain our fallacy.

It is surprising to hear all of this hatred on neowin. I'm a Canadian male who's getting married soon. In Canada when a company has a gay ad it's seen as supportive not of some political agenda. We can marry, and overall don't have the homophobia that this thread is an issue with. I'd comment on some things on here but I think it would be better to just ignore it. All I can say is I feel sad for people on this thread. If you actually had a lgbt friend you'd realize where just like any other person.

I'm from Canada too Although I'm 100% straight, I think that it's good that companies show their support.

And whether they support gay marriage or not, does it affect the quality of their products, no. To be honest with you, I'm not surprised by some of the hate I see here (and all over the internet). Some people still live in the past when gays were looked upon as evil.

P.s: Did you hear about Bill-18? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...ter-steinbach-winnipeg.html

Old news. Edmonton schools basically pulled the same stunt. Kids can be fully exempt on any sex ed class, anything related to homosexuality, and etc based on religious grounds.

dreamsburnred said,
Old news. Edmonton schools basically pulled the same stunt. Kids can be fully exempt on any sex ed class, anything related to homosexuality, and etc based on religious grounds.

Alberta is Texas Jr., so I'm not that surprised.

lunarworks said,
Alberta is Texas Jr., so I'm not that surprised.

One province over, here. I totally agree.
Spent time in Oil and Gas, decided I liked my soul more.

How are you guys are going to maintain your property prices and wages in Canada with only 1.5 children per woman? Uhh? Importing a lot of 3rd worlders that are not that "tolerant" to gays I suppose?

Oh, man. I have seen women marry before, and the outcome was always the same. There's always some land in the country, a couple horses, and a trailer home involved, and one of the women gets jealous and shoots the other one's horse. *sigh*
Men just make fabulous houses and quiche and when they get married.

Why the hell do companies have to support one thing or another? Just be a company and provide the services, period.

Microsoft should stick to failing in the tech department and not exacerbate things by sticking their nose full of fail into politics.
No this is not a bold move nor is it "courageous". It literally is a no-risk move to pander to these special interest groups nowadays.
If MS suddenly decided to stick up for traditional marriage, THAT would be risky and require cajones in todays left-progressive culture of intolerance masquerading as tolerance.
Such is the state of our world today. Black is white, up is down.

mzta cody said,
Microsoft should stick to failing in the tech department and not exacerbate things by sticking their nose full of fail into politics.
No this is not a bold move nor is it "courageous". It literally is a no-risk move to pander to these special interest groups nowadays.
If MS suddenly decided to stick up for traditional marriage, THAT would be risky and require cajones in todays left-progressive culture of intolerance masquerading as tolerance.
Such is the state of our world today. Black is white, up is down.

Who the hell defines traditional marriage, you bigot?

siah1214 said,

Who the hell defines traditional marriage, you bigot?

Traditional marriage. I trade a goat to some chick's father, and she's forced to marry me. It's not a complicated subject. Why break with tradition?

mzta cody said,
Microsoft should stick to failing in the tech department and not exacerbate things by sticking their nose full of fail into politics.
No this is not a bold move nor is it "courageous". It literally is a no-risk move to pander to these special interest groups nowadays.
If MS suddenly decided to stick up for traditional marriage, THAT would be risky and require cajones in todays left-progressive culture of intolerance masquerading as tolerance.
Such is the state of our world today. Black is white, up is down.

I am sure that Sir Francis Galton and his epigons would be very proud of you.../s

AtriusNY said,

Exactly. And society in general is evolving.

And thank god... I guess just like other examples of "evolution", some bit of the population will be left behind... LOL

mzta cody said,
Microsoft should stick to failing in the tech department and not exacerbate things by sticking their nose full of fail into politics.
No this is not a bold move nor is it "courageous". It literally is a no-risk move to pander to these special interest groups nowadays.
If MS suddenly decided to stick up for traditional marriage, THAT would be risky and require cajones in todays left-progressive culture of intolerance masquerading as tolerance.
Such is the state of our world today. Black is white, up is down.

Oh, well instead let's pander to people that actually *believe* all the little fairy stories in their big old books of fairy tales!

mzta cody said
Microsoft should stick to failing in the tech department and not exacerbate things by sticking their nose full of fail into politics.
No this is not a bold move nor is it "courageous". It literally is a no-risk move to pander to these special interest groups nowadays.
If MS suddenly decided to stick up for traditional marriage, THAT would be risky and require cajones in todays left-progressive culture of intolerance masquerading as tolerance.
Such is the state of our world today. Black is white, up is down.
Screw traditional marriage! Be with the person you love, regardless of gender..

1blogger said,
I won't be supporting MS until support polygamy. I want to marry my two ‘wife's' and my goat for that matter.

Yes, because one is anything like the other... You're ridiculous.

1blogger said,
I won't be supporting MS until support polygamy. I want to marry my two ‘wife's' and my goat for that matter.

Animals can't consent to marriage, so that should never be made legal. As for polygamy, I support it - if multiple people want to engage into a relationship then that should be allowed.

Teebor said,
I will be honest and just say it - I can't believe that this is still an issue in todays world.

Indeed. It's a very sad indictment of the state of our society

Teebor said
I will be honest and just say it - I can't believe that this is still an issue in todays world.
I have a feeling that this'll be an issue for a while.

Good.
The sooner we stop letting a 2000 year old fairy tail guide laws the better.
I have no problem with religion, but when religion is used to make laws against things that have no bearing on the lives of others then it ****es me off.

Most people against gay marriage are against it because the Bible says its wrong, they wont come up with any legitimate reasons why it should be illegal.


So im glad the tech giants are on the same page with this one.

What about the Quran? What does that say? Why do people always blame Christians?

Christians will generally keep quiet. With other religions, a war could start. Okay, perhaps not, but Microsoft WILL lose market share if this ad was shown in the Middle East. Am I right?

Hitman2000 said,
Good.
The sooner we stop letting a 2000 year old fairy tail guide laws the better.
I have no problem with religion, but when religion is used to make laws against things that have no bearing on the lives of others then it ****es me off.

Most people against gay marriage are against it because the Bible says its wrong, they wont come up with any legitimate reasons why it should be illegal.


So im glad the tech giants are on the same page with this one.

Agreed. It's ridiculous and shouldn't even be an issue at this point.

matt4444 said,
Because people know that Christians won't typically retaliate. So it's essentially a scapegoat, which is just silly.

A quick reading of a history book shows how wrong you are....

Hitman2000 said
I have no problem with religion, but when religion is used to make laws against things that have no bearing on the lives of others then it ****es me off.
Agreed. I consider myself to be "semi-religious". I believe in certain things but not everything. I see a lot of gay people who are atheists, and I personally think that if religion would open up and support gay marriage, then there'd be more people who are religious instead of hating it.

Hitman2000 said
Most people against gay marriage are against it because the Bible says its wrong, they wont come up with any legitimate reasons why it should be illegal.
Exactly!

I'm not on about centuries ago etc, I'm talking about the modern day. You burn a Bible, no repercussions, you burn a Quran then you're looking at a fine or time behind bars because they'll make a big deal of it. I'm not bashing any religion, I'm just making a point.

Anyway, how did this discussion come about on a tech site. lol.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
You're an hypocrite.

If all you can do is name call and not have a discussion (funny how people have to resort to that), then I have really no time for you. When you mature a little, maybe then.

And PS, I never said it was fine what Google is doing. I said that MS isnt updating their Android apps either but hey, I guess you see what you wnat to see and Google is the hot company to hate right now I guess.

Name calling? I wasn't, I was just stating the obvious fact that you are an hypocrite since you knew well enough the Gmail topic is just underneath this one and you even replied to it a couple of times then you come here and tell Microsoft should update their Android app which YOU THINK is crap. Oh wait, at least you actually got an app on Android. Now please do point out how is this not hypocrisy?

Also I couldn't care less which company updates or makes their app on each platform, I left Gmail 2 years ago, tried Outlook for a month but since the downtime was too much for me I moved back to my own mail server which I can use on both platforms with the native apps. If you mean all this "privacy" talk that's going on that causes the hate then I have to say that if I'd want privacy I wouldn't be posting here nor would I have an Facebook account, would use Google as my main search engine etc. but for a fact I do use all of them.

I was just replying to your comment which seemed a bit odd to me.

But I guess you know me better.

Edited by alwaysonacoffebreak, Mar 12 2013, 2:56pm :

alwaysonacoffebreak said,
Name calling?

Yes, calling someone is a hypocrite is name calling especially since I am not. A hypocrite is MS blasting Google for searching emails when they do something similar, like searching email subject lines. (and yes, lots of people put sensitive info in the subject lines)

Now, if I would of said Google doesnt need to update their mobile site but MS needs to update their app, then I would be a hypocrite. But again, I never said that.

techbeck said,
Congrats MS...now release a decent Android App since your redone Hotmail app is junk.

Why? I'm using Outlook.com on my Nexus 7 without any 3rd party software. Everything works perfect: push email, contacts and calendars.

You didn't?

techbeck said,
Oh please, they updated the iPhone first and you dont hear Android users bitching and moaning about it.

Just something else to bitch to Google about...enjoy people.

I don't think expressing your opinion on that topic is relevant for a large tech company. They are there to provide a service not a philosophical stance on something not necessarily shared by all members of the company. Not appropriate I don't think!

Just like how we now look back and think of how disgusting racism and slavery was, in 50-100 years time the newer generation will look at us with the same disgust on how we discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and treat them like scum.

Hitman2000 said,
Just like how we now look back and think of how disgusting racism and slavery was, in 50-100 years time the newer generation will look at us with the same disgust on how we discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and treat them like scum.

Yes but should we make our own minds up or let transnational, multi-billion dollar companies with the most marketing and advertising power force opinions and view points on us? That is what I don't agree with.

ingramator said,
I don't think expressing your opinion on that topic is relevant for a large tech company. They are there to provide a service not a philosophical stance on something not necessarily shared by all members of the company. Not appropriate I don't think!

Microsoft isn't actually making a statement here, just like if they had a heterosexual marriage in the ad, we wouldn't say they were promoting straight marriage. They're treating it like it's normal. It's crazy that you can't show gay people getting married without people assuming you're promoting an agenda.

siah1214 said,

Microsoft isn't actually making a statement here, just like if they had a heterosexual marriage in the ad, we wouldn't say they were promoting straight marriage. They're treating it like it's normal. It's crazy that you can't show gay people getting married without people assuming you're promoting an agenda.

But it's not "normal" in the same way a woman fixing the car isn't "normal". This is a direct enforcement of Microsoft's stance on gay marriage which they have publicly stated before which I don't think is very professional.

Hitman2000 said,
Just like how we now look back and think of how disgusting racism and slavery was, in 50-100 years time the newer generation will look at us with the same disgust on how we discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and treat them like scum.


False analogy. There is no proof that conclusively states gays are born that way. None. You might see things like "evidence suggests...." or "experts theorize..." but that is not proof. Thus, there is no definitive proof of ANY type that would make an analogy between racism and dislike of homosexuality a valid one.
Such a disingenuous argument, the "racism=homophobia argument."

It's kind of like calling somebody a racist when using factual information. People are out just to make a big deal out of nothing.

siah1214 said,

They're treating it like it's normal.

Which seems to be the "statement" that's flown right over your head

mzta cody said,

False analogy. There is no proof that conclusively states gays are born that way. None. You might see things like "evidence suggests...." or "experts theorize..." but that is not proof. Thus, there is no definitive proof of ANY type that would make an analogy between racism and dislike of homosexuality a valid one.
Such a disingenuous argument, the "racism=homophobia argument."

So you could choose today to be gay? You just woke up and decided not to again?

technikal said,

Which seems to be the "statement" that's flown right over your head


...I don't see how? I support what they're doing, I don't get what your point is.

And why should it even be news? It's ridiculous. It's two people getting married and a friend sharing in the good news. I consider it a non issue and don't see the point in the news article or this discussion. What. Does. It. Matter?

AmazingRando said,
So you could choose today to be gay? You just woke up and decided not to again?
Doesn't that same statement work for just about everything? You could ask anyone: did you choose to be a racist?

Personally, I don't think that people consciously choose to be gay or straight, but I don't believe that they are born that way, nor do I believe that it's in their DNA. I think it just happens based on the infinite number of factors that go into people as they grow up. It is what it is.

I tend to be of the mindset that the government should have no say in marriage, let alone our lives, aside from intrafamily marriages and human-animal ones.

siah1214 said,

...I don't see how? I support what they're doing, I don't get what your point is.

Just because you "support it" doesn't mean it isn't a statement.

Given American laws and society this sort of placement is very much making a statement. For a tech company advert for an email service it's even more odd.

ingramator said
I don't think expressing your opinion on that topic is relevant for a large tech company. They are there to provide a service not a philosophical stance on something not necessarily shared by all members of the company. Not appropriate I don't think!
I think it'll make some people feel more comfortable with the company, who knows..

I'm not bothered by it. If they support it, fine. If not, fine. I'm using it because the products do what they're suppose to do.

ingramator said,
I don't think expressing your opinion on that topic is relevant for a large tech company. They are there to provide a service not a philosophical stance on something not necessarily shared by all members of the company. Not appropriate I don't think!

Well... One day, hopefully a gay couple can be shown in an ad without people thinking you're expressing a particular opinion on marriage, as little as you think "Hmm, I'm not sure the white woman should be seen together with the black man like that. Not everyone may support that opinion."

This is one step towards normalizing this view. I think it's good that Microsoft is there to help take these important steps. We've reached the goal when we no longer think that the ad shows anything special despite the same-sex couple.

ingramator said,
Yes but should we make our own minds up or let transnational, multi-billion dollar companies with the most marketing and advertising power force opinions and view points on us? That is what I don't agree with.

People made the same argument during the civil rights era yet today it is taken for granted that businesses can show interracial couples in advertising. The same will happen with same-sex marriage. Intolerance deserves no place in a modern, civilised society.

If Microsoft wishes to promote equality then I'm all for that and I think it's rather sad that you're opposed to it.

Seems really dumb to me to take this position that is offensive to many people of faith. With retail stores all over the country they have prime targets for boycotts and protests that can seriously hurt the company. There are many regions of the country where Microsoft needs to do business and alienating large swathes of the nation seems an ill conceived idea. What's next a pro-abortion commercial?

Hitman2000 said,
Just like how we now look back and think of how disgusting racism and slavery was, in 50-100 years time the newer generation will look at us with the same disgust on how we discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation and treat them like scum.

I think it's disgusting that you look at the past and get disgusted... I happen to think that some things in the past are much better than the way they are now. Everything seemed a lot simpler. You fended for yourself/your family instead of relying on the Government...... I could go on and on and on about how things were better back in the day compared to now. And I'm not saying that I want slavery to come back and all that stuff... There are going to be certain parts that are better and certain parts that aren't better in every generation. Unfortunately I think there are going to be more negatives in my generation, we are becoming unbelievably stupid and lazy.

Edited by bguy_1986, Mar 12 2013, 4:43pm :

theyarecomingforyou said,

People made the same argument during the civil rights era yet today it is taken for granted that businesses can show interracial couples in advertising. The same will happen with same-sex marriage. Intolerance deserves no place in a modern, civilised society.

If Microsoft wishes to promote equality then I'm all for that and I think it's rather sad that you're opposed to it.

I don't see how being gay is Civilized? Seems like we are taking a step backwards.... We are animals, we're made (by whoever, or whatever - does not matter!) to reproduce. It's science...

mzta cody said,

False analogy. There is no proof that conclusively states gays are born that way. None. You might see things like "evidence suggests...." or "experts theorize..." but that is not proof. Thus, there is no definitive proof of ANY type that would make an analogy between racism and dislike of homosexuality a valid one.
Such a disingenuous argument, the "racism=homophobia argument."

One thing about it, YeHoVaH the Creator is pretty clear in the Old Testament about this subject of homosexuality. For a more recent Biblical view, the following from the 1998 version of "The Scriptures" Bible might be of particular interest to some. Verses 18-32 are noteworthy. Verses 24-28 seem to describe homosexuality in particular. Granted, this is the Apostle Sha'ul's (Paul's) insight, but as a servant of Yeshua the Messiah (i.e. what many call Jesus Christ), his thoughts seem to be very consistent with the Old Testament and the Torah.


Romans 1:1 Sha'ul, a servant of Yeshua Messiah, a called emissary, separated to the Good News of Elohim,
2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Set-apart Scriptures,
3 concerning His Son, who came of the seed of Dawiḏ according to the flesh,
4 who was designated Son of Elohim with power, according to the Set-apart Spirit, by the resurrection from the dead: Yeshua Messiah, the Master of us,
5 through whom we have received favour and office of the emissary for belief-obedience among all the nations on behalf of His Name,
6 among whom you also are the called ones of Yeshua Messiah.
...
14 I am a debtor both to Greeks and to foreigners, both to wise and to foolish.
15 That is why I am so eager to bring the Good News also to you who are in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Messiah, for it is the power of Elohim for deliverance to everyone who believes, to the Yehuḏite first and also to the Greek.
17 For in it the righteousness of Elohim is revealed from belief to belief, as it has been written,
18 For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from heaven against all wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because that which is known of Elohim is manifest among them, for Elohim has manifested it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible qualities have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, both His everlasting power and Mightiness, for them to be without excuse,
21 because, although they knew Elohim, they did not esteem Him as Elohim, nor gave thanks, but became vain in their reasonings, and their undiscerning heart was darkened.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the esteem of the incorruptible Elohim into the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds and of four-footed beasts and of reptiles.
24 Therefore Elohim gave them up to uncleanness in the lust of their hearts, to disrespect their bodies among themselves,
25 who changed the truth of Elohim into the falsehood, and worshipped and served what was created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amĕn.
26 Because of this Elohim gave them over to degrading passions. For even their women exchanged natural relations for what is against nature,
27 and likewise, the men also, having left natural relations with woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing indecency, and receiving back the reward which was due for their straying.
28 And even as they did not think it worth- while to possess the knowledge of Elohim, Elohim gave them over to a worthless mind, to do what is improper,
29 having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoring, wickedness, greed, evil; filled with envy, murder, fighting, deceit, evil habits; whisperers,
30 slanderers, haters of Elohim, insolent, proud, boasters, devisers of evils, disobedient to parents,
31 without discernment, covenant breakers, unloving, unforgiving, ruthless;
32 who, though they know the righteousness of Elohim, that those who practice such deserve death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Edited by JayZJay, Mar 12 2013, 5:08pm :

pickypg said,
Doesn't that same statement work for just about everything? You could ask anyone: did you choose to be a racist?

Personally, I don't think that people consciously choose to be gay or straight, but I don't believe that they are born that way, nor do I believe that it's in their DNA. I think it just happens based on the infinite number of factors that go into people as they grow up. It is what it is.

I tend to be of the mindset that the government should have no say in marriage, let alone our lives, aside from intrafamily marriages and human-animal ones.

You can choose to have "gay sex", but that doesnt make you gay. No more than choosing to engage in "straight sex" makes you straight by itself.

Human sexuality is, in reality, a wide spectrum and very few people are 100% straight or 100% gay, so there is some fluidity to it. This occurs partly because we, as a species, indulges in sexual behavior for the pleasure of it as well instead of for mating purposes.

Racism, is however taught. Our brains are hard wired to group similar things together and to make glancing observations about the group to reduce the time it takes to think about each individual item of the group. This is the basis of racism. At some point in your life someone taught "you" to hate group XYZ for whatever reason. Or you were exposed to such trauma from a member or members of group XYZ (or fear of the unknown of that group) that you yourself began to develop an irrational hatred that extended beyond the few people that directly interacted with you to the group as a whole.

So yes, you are born with the ability to be racist. But you arent born hating black people specifically, that is taught.

People are born with a flexible and dynamic sexual and emotional needs. Most pull you strongly towards one gender or another. The choice to pursue this can be supported, ignored or driven out of you by the people in your lives. However you are still that person whether you choose to act on it or not.

ingramator said,

But it's not "normal" in the same way a woman fixing the car isn't "normal". This is a direct enforcement of Microsoft's stance on gay marriage which they have publicly stated before which I don't think is very professional.

Wow.

OK, so not only is gay marriage wrong, women fixing cars is wrong too?

Do you, by chance, own a fedora?

ingramator said,

But it's not "normal" in the same way a woman fixing the car isn't "normal". This is a direct enforcement of Microsoft's stance on gay marriage which they have publicly stated before which I don't think is very professional.

Well, guess what. A majority of voters here in Washington disagree with you. They voted by a healthy margin for gay marriage recognizing correctly that it is an issue of civil rights. Such an effort was successful in large part to Microsoft's years-long stance on the issue, and the company should be commended.

You don't like it? Sorry, but tough. Feel free to stop using Microsoft's products because of their corporate support for this issue. But you'd better also stop using Apple, Google, Adobe, Amazon, Boeing, Intel, and a host of other tech companies that took the exact same public stance as Microsoft.

I guess that'd leave you with trying to install a Linux distro on an old Smith Corona or quill and parchment. Have fun with that.

bguy_1986 said,
I don't see how being gay is Civilized? Seems like we are taking a step backwards.... We are animals, we're made (by whoever, or whatever - does not matter!) to reproduce. It's science...

Do you go around bashing couples that want IVF? Do you shun electronic devices because they're not natural? Do you attack those who choose not to have children? What about people who are infertile? Do you campaign against contraception? Or is it just gay people that you have a problem with?

Homophobia has no place in a civilised society and it's rather sad that you embrace it.

Avatar Roku said,
Seems really dumb to me to take this position that is offensive to many people of faith. With retail stores all over the country they have prime targets for boycotts and protests that can seriously hurt the company. There are many regions of the country where Microsoft needs to do business and alienating large swathes of the nation seems an ill conceived idea. What's next a pro-abortion commercial?

Offensive to religous people ? What about basic civil rights being denied to gay people. People that are offended by gay people marrying need their head examined, as clearly something's not right.

Avatar Roku said,
Seems really dumb to me to take this position that is offensive to many people of faith.

Seems really dumb to me for a business to embrace religious bigotry when more people support same-sex marriage than oppose to it. Or to look at it another way, were businesses wrong to take a stand against racism during the civil rights era?

ingramator said,
Yes but should we make our own minds up or let transnational, multi-billion dollar companies with the most marketing and advertising power force opinions and view points on us? That is what I don't agree with.

No, you should let them buy your political leaders instead.

ingramator said,
I don't think expressing your opinion on that topic is relevant for a large tech company. They are there to provide a service not a philosophical stance on something not necessarily shared by all members of the company. Not appropriate I don't think!

Exactly. We do care about their opinions... about tech stuff only. For your moral/philosophical stances, I'm not in their crowd.

there's a difference between slavery and marriage.

Today. Those who have always been able to marry, are marrying in far fewer numbers. Marriage is a dying institution. Freedom on the other hand... let's just say we don't see any one running towards slavery.

It's not gay marriage which should be upheld. It's marriage, in general, which should be abolished.

Gay marriage is a big issue in this country right now that not only effects the lives of their customers but some of the very people who run the company. They make the stance because they know it will influence others to do the same. This is a new world, corporations take stances and when it is for something the promotes human rights, they should be commended for it.

Someone said something about why alienate potential customers? Because this cause is about equality, which is more valuable than money. Plus they know most people are for it too so they aren't really risking much.

they aren't risking much because the only other major competitor in the same markets (apple) are also publically gay marriage. Unless they plan on making their own software from the ground-up I doubt they can do anything else other than swallow their pride and fork over the money

Every time we think about same-sex marriage
Makes us sick to our guts
I mean, two people who want to commit to a stable monogamous life-long relationship
What are they, nuts?
It's unnatural!
Now a man should not lie with a person who is a guy
He should only lie to his wife, the bible is clear
We're

Defenders of marriage
In three-button suits
We'll raise our double standard and see who salutes
Defenders of marriage
Defending the institution against people who want to get married

theyarecomingforyou said,

Do you go around bashing couples that want IVF? Do you shun electronic devices because they're not natural? Do you attack those who choose not to have children? What about people who are infertile? Do you campaign against contraception? Or is it just gay people that you have a problem with?

Homophobia has no place in a civilised society and it's rather sad that you embrace it.


I don't really go around bashing gays, or attacking people for not wanting kids. It's their choice what they do. But if the opportunity comes up when I can give put my 2 cents in, I'm going to do it. I don't go out into the streets protesting. I just simply think being gay is wrong. In everyday life, I go out and not worry about who is gay and who isn't. If you act and talk normal, I won't know the difference and don't need to know what you do with you're free time.

bguy_1986 said,

I don't really go around bashing gays, or attacking people for not wanting kids. It's their choice what they do. But if the opportunity comes up when I can give put my 2 cents in, I'm going to do it. I don't go out into the streets protesting. I just simply think being gay is wrong. In everyday life, I go out and not worry about who is gay and who isn't. If you act and talk normal, I won't know the difference and don't need to know what you do with you're free time.

How does a loving gay couple getting married affect you? Certainly it's preferable to the significant number of heterosexual couples who demean everything it stands for - the people who have affairs, who get married for tax breaks, who only marry for money, who get married on a drunk night out or who get married simply because they get pregnant. Have you called for any of those activities to be outlawed or is your intolerance reserved for homosexuality?

Why should your beliefs stop somebody else from doing something? Gay people don't try to prevent hetero couples from being able to marry.

theyarecomingforyou said,

How does a loving gay couple getting married affect you? Certainly it's preferable to the significant number of heterosexual couples who demean everything it stands for - the people who have affairs, who get married for tax breaks, who only marry for money, who get married on a drunk night out or who get married simply because they get pregnant. Have you called for any of those activities to be outlawed or is your intolerance reserved for homosexuality?

Why should your beliefs stop somebody else from doing something? Gay people don't try to prevent hetero couples from being able to marry.

Is your reading comprehension that bad? It doesn't effect me as long as they aren't marching out in the streets and making a ruckus. Like I said above, I don't care what they do with their free time, the Government shouldn't care either - the have bigger things they need to worry about like actually putting a budget together and get us out of debt.

Can I not have an opinion on the topic if it doesn't effect me? It's a free country (that's slowly going again) so I believe I can. I'm not changing it, get over it.

bguy_1986 said
I don't really go around bashing gays, or attacking people for not wanting kids. It's their choice what they do. But if the opportunity comes up when I can give put my 2 cents in, I'm going to do it. I don't go out into the streets protesting. I just simply think being gay is wrong. In everyday life, I go out and not worry about who is gay and who isn't. If you act and talk normal, I won't know the difference and don't need to know what you do with you're free time.
I for one, don't think being gay is wrong, but I do hate it when they make such huge events out of it. I know it's for a good reason and I want them to have just as much rights as a straight man/woman, but I find those events annoying.

Just because you're gay/straight, doesn't mean they need to make a big thing out of it. Just live your life.

Take people like Anderson Cooper, or Niel Patrick Harris for example. There, we have two people who are gay; yet you never really see them (at least I've never seen them) dressed up as a rainbow marching down the street. They live their lives and don't feel the need to tell the world about their preferences.