Microsoft's next move is the Xbox 360 Code-name Falcon

According to Dean Takahashi, Microsoft is working on project code-named Falcon: another hardware upgrade for the Xbox 360. It will have an IBM microprocessor and an AMD/ATI graphics chip that are manufactured in a 65-nanometer production process. Because of the smaller size, the chips will run cooler, meaning less repairs for Microsoft, and will cost less because they use less material and fewer manufacturing steps to produce.

Microsoft started making the Xbox 360s in August, 2005, with a 90-nanometer process – the time to use newer technology is here. Dean believes Microsoft is in the process of qualifying the new Falcon chips and motherboard this summer and expects the company to launch Xbox 360s with the new Falcon innards this fall. Microsoft has the option to take the power brick and put it inside the same chassis. It can also make a smaller version of the core, but this involves considerable redesign and retooling resources. And it could also beef up the console and make room for more costly things — as it did with the Elite.

News source: Mercury News Blogs

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MrCobra said,
No, because it actually has game play value over the other 2 systems.

Or maybe it's so cheap that parents (mostly idiotic sheep when it comes to games) get it instead of an iPod for their children?

We'll see when the 360 reaches 250 or even better, 200. Price cut might be delayed due to ROD issues, but it is gonna happen. Then, no matter how cheap the Wii is, it's gonna have a hard time selling sandwiched between the $99.99 or lower PS2, or the $200 360.

TheNGTV said,

Or maybe it's so cheap that parents (mostly idiotic sheep when it comes to games) get it instead of an iPod for their children?

We'll see when the 360 reaches 250 or even better, 200. Price cut might be delayed due to ROD issues, but it is gonna happen. Then, no matter how cheap the Wii is, it's gonna have a hard time selling sandwiched between the $99.99 or lower PS2, or the $200 360.


no offence but i doubt that...
the wii is actually something that is way too different to be compared well with the 360 and ps2...

Glassed Silver:mac

TheNGTV said,

Or maybe it's so cheap that parents (mostly idiotic sheep when it comes to games) get it instead of an iPod for their children?

We'll see when the 360 reaches 250 or even better, 200. Price cut might be delayed due to ROD issues, but it is gonna happen. Then, no matter how cheap the Wii is, it's gonna have a hard time selling sandwiched between the $99.99 or lower PS2, or the $200 360.

hahahah, ok is that why about half the developers here have a wii, and why between them they have 1 xbox 360 and no PS3's cause there mummys and daddyd bought them, seriously one of them is like 40. the wii is winning becasue it is the most fun, i know one guy with 360 and wii, he plays more wii than 360 and is among the hardest of hard core gamers.

whocares78 said,

hahahah, ok is that why about half the developers here have a wii, and why between them they have 1 xbox 360 and no PS3's cause there mummys and daddyd bought them, seriously one of them is like 40. the wii is winning becasue it is the most fun, i know one guy with 360 and wii, he plays more wii than 360 and is among the hardest of hard core gamers.

well right over here this isn't the case,Wii won't be winning anything

Andre said,
I say bring on the full DX10 support...

That's not possible, it's not a new system and it has to be completely compatible with current 360 games. How would you feel if you bought a 360 in September only for the next month a game to come out that only ran on newer models?

It kinda is. Xbox360 use's an hybrid mostly DX9 with some DX10 stuff worked in.
DX10 was in development at the time and they took several things and added it to the Xbox360 from it.

jstillion said,
It kinda is. Xbox360 use's an hybrid mostly DX9 with some DX10 stuff worked in.
DX10 was in development at the time and they took several things and added it to the Xbox360 from it.

Yeah but you can't add something to a new revision of the 360 hardware unless you can apply that same thing to the older models and unless it's purely a software thing (Which would have nothing to do with this article), then it's just not a good idea.

Kushan said,

That's not possible, it's not a new system and it has to be completely compatible with current 360 games. How would you feel if you bought a 360 in September only for the next month a game to come out that only ran on newer models?

I'd feel the same way PC gamers feel about Vista.

MS *could* add enhancements and retain compatibility. Devs could scale the shaders to both versions as they do with most PC games.

Kushan said,

Yeah but you can't add something to a new revision of the 360 hardware unless you can apply that same thing to the older models and unless it's purely a software thing (Which would have nothing to do with this article), then it's just not a good idea.

do they not have firmware update??? all they have to do is update the firmware to handle dx10. adn umm not sure if you relaise this but direct x is a software thing

whocares78 said,

do they not have firmware update??? all they have to do is update the firmware to handle dx10. adn umm not sure if you relaise this but direct x is a software thing

direct3D is a hardware specification with an API to go with it. You can't just do a firmware update to DX10. If we could, then why do PC gamers by new graphics cards? You can NEVER change a console beyond manufacturing process, software update or shape. Adding additional hardware capabilities (beyond HDD and audio/video output and of course controllers) would make the developers have to code for multiple standards. That just takes away the advantage of consoles to begin with.

toadeater said,

I'd feel the same way PC gamers feel about Vista.

MS *could* add enhancements and retain compatibility. Devs could scale the shaders to both versions as they do with most PC games.


I bought a console so I wouldnt have to upgrade it every damn year to play the newest games.
Thats why I hate PCs

Narlzac85 said,

direct3D is a hardware specification with an API to go with it. You can't just do a firmware update to DX10. If we could, then why do PC gamers by new graphics cards? You can NEVER change a console beyond manufacturing process, software update or shape. Adding additional hardware capabilities (beyond HDD and audio/video output and of course controllers) would make the developers have to code for multiple standards. That just takes away the advantage of consoles to begin with.

i actually would have assumed that when MS built the Xbox, they would have stuck dx10 comatibile hardware as they new they would be moving to dx 10 pretty quickly after it's release, which is why i assumed that ms could just do a firmware update. but hey if MS didn't then thts a bit of bad luck. makes me consider it as not really being a next gen console, if it is using last gen video capability.

anyways i am not really that fussed.

this sucks.. i was planning on buying a 360 when rockband and gh3 came out. i dont wanna buy one if they're gonna put a new one out a month or two later.

it's a new revision not a new system. it's like the ds lite to the ds, or the ps slim to the ps2 original. same exact system in terms of game playback just a better design for the company.

Well after almost year and a half of gaming with my current X360, I can't wait for the better version. It's been almost 2 years and I want better things. The only thing I hope is that they will keep the accessories compatible with the new one, otherwise BRING IT! just in time for my new 65" 1080p Plasma this winter.

I really hope they take this revision opportunity to make it MUCH quieter too. The noise of it drives me crazy even when the volumes up loud. If they do, I'll definitely be buying one when/if they ever appear.

Nothing here indicates they will be changing the dvd drive drastically and that's the part that makes the most noise. To be honest though. I keep mine right next to me and I barely notice it.

bangbang023 said,
Nothing here indicates they will be changing the dvd drive drastically and that's the part that makes the most noise. To be honest though. I keep mine right next to me and I barely notice it.

all that noise does not come from the DVD drive... mine is relatively loud when it has no disc in it just sitting at the blade menu... and when I listen to the system its the fans making a lot of the noise... put a disc in it and louder it gets yes, but a lot of the sound is the cooling system...

neufuse said,

all that noise does not come from the DVD drive... mine is relatively loud when it has no disc in it just sitting at the blade menu... and when I listen to the system its the fans making a lot of the noise... put a disc in it and louder it gets yes, but a lot of the sound is the cooling system...


The loudest part, by far, is the drive. The sound jumps exponentially when the drive kicks in. And, in the end, unless they can fit bigger fans in there, they are going to be loud. Small fans turning at high speeds are always going to kick out a decent amount of sound. They aren't going to want to cut the amount of cooling considering it's not always adequate now.

bangbang023 said,

The loudest part, by far, is the drive. The sound jumps exponentially when the drive kicks in. And, in the end, unless they can fit bigger fans in there, they are going to be loud. Small fans turning at high speeds are always going to kick out a decent amount of sound. They aren't going to want to cut the amount of cooling considering it's not always adequate now.

they have already basically said they can fit more into it if you read the last part of the article "Microsoft has the option to take the power brick and put it inside the same chassis. It can also make a smaller version of the core"

so why could they not put bigger fans in, i don't get it, it seems like you are arguing your point just for the sake of it. what he is saying is it is not the drive but you insist it is his drive making all the noise, but then go on to say the fans are noisy and need to be biegger to quiet them down???? i don't get it

yert* said,
Don't worry, BangBang023 is always right and every point of his is valid... :rolleyes:

it seems so. i am glad i am not the only one that noticed

whocares78 said,

it seems so. i am glad i am not the only one that noticed

In fact, he is right. If your 360 makes too much fan noise, then it's a problem of yours because what makes most of the noise is the drive, which spins very fast, my friend got a first generation 360 bought before christmas 2005 and still works like new and the fans are not louder than any computer. But the drive .. only when playing games. Movies are okay we doN,t notice the drive spinning.

2xSilverKnight said,

In fact, he is right. If your 360 makes too much fan noise, then it's a problem of yours because what makes most of the noise is the drive, which spins very fast, my friend got a first generation 360 bought before christmas 2005 and still works like new and the fans are not louder than any computer. But the drive .. only when playing games. Movies are okay we doN,t notice the drive spinning.

I consider most computer fans noisy. But anyway I can't be bothered arguing.