More HD DVD Titles Released in Q2 Than Blu-ray

Is HD DVD coming back fighting? In the last 3 months (April 1 - June 30), movie stores witnessed the release of 70 HD DVD and 63 Blu-ray titles, according to industry tipsheet The DVD Release Report. This comes as quite a turnaround for the HD DVD camp: in the first quarter, they released only 29 titles compared to Blu-ray's 69. Primary HD DVD backer Universal Studios led the Q2 HD DVD push, releasing a total of 33 HD DVD titles on its own. Although the studio has been accused of rushing some of its more recent HD DVD catalogue titles to market at the cost of picture quality, it shows no signs of slowing down with another 23 HD DVD titles already announced for release from now through September.

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I'm yet to see a single HD-DVD title here in Australia, currently all I see is Blu-Ray. It's actually kinda funny, you can buy the HD-DVD addon for the 360, but there are no HD-DVDs to play on it :P (and the PS3 is outselling the Wii and 360 here, so could be another reason why Blu-Ray is dominating here)..seriously will HD-DVD ever see the light of day down under??

It seems that you guys have everything upside down not just water in the toilet spinning in the wrong direction

That's just a myth, water going down a drain does not really spin in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere.

TRC said,
That's just a myth, water going down a drain does not really spin in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere. :)

:) I was kidding, I had to make that statement. :P

How many people do you know that buy PCs just to watch movies? and why wouldnt this happen when HD DVD pc drives come out and get mass adoption, i smell a fanboy.

The only possible reason would be for backing up files, but with drives that cost £300-500 just for the drive then £10-15 a disc i dont see that happening anytime soon.

Sheppard said,
How many people do you know that buy PCs just to watch movies? and why wouldnt this happen when HD DVD pc drives come out and get mass adoption, i smell a fanboy.

The only possible reason would be for backing up files, but with drives that cost £300-500 just for the drive then £10-15 a disc i dont see that happening anytime soon.

Who says i am talking about movies? Every PC have optical drive, and there are more than 1 000 000 000 PCs out there.
Toshiba have failed, in capacity in read/write speed and in price/availability. Who will get a toshiba 1x max 30GB capacity burner when there are Lite-On, Panasonic, Pioneer, MACs, Plextor, and many many more drives for Blu-ray...

DaveBG said,

Who says i am talking about movies? Every PC have optical drive, and there are more than 1 000 000 000 PCs out there.
Toshiba have failed, in capacity in read/write speed and in price/availability. Who will get a toshiba 1x max 30GB capacity burner when there are Lite-On, Panasonic, Pioneer, MACs, Plextor, and many many more drives for Blu-ray...

blah blah blah, you are just talking about things you have no clue about..

First of all, HD-DVD offers faster read speeds than BD, second you do realize there are more companies at this moment integrating HD-DVD drives in computers including HP, Acer, Asus, Lite-On (is actually offering HD-DVD), Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Alpine (for cars), Fujitsu, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Lenovo, Teac and a few others. You see, these are ALL major COMPUTER manufacturers. Add to this a great software support to HD-DVD by Microsoft, Inter Video, GEAR Software, Nero and CyberLink and it's clear that HD-DVD has very solid ground on any PC.

Microsoft officials said Windows Vista, will support only HD DVD in its default configuration, with Blu-Ray support requiring additional software. Previously, Microsoft had said Vista would support both formats.

Additional hardware support by Intel (as it is a member of HD DVD group) doesn't encourage manufacturers to go Blu Ray either.

One of Intel's previous statments:

Intel said its upcoming Viiv platform—a Centrino-like suite of hardware components customized for the living room—will be tailored for HD DVD. Intel and Microsoft are to launch Viiv-based Media Center PCs early next year.

The only computer manufacturer that's BD is Dell, all others mostly prefer and integrate HD-DVD because it's cheaper and the specs are pretty much the same. And you know what this means? This means millions and millions of laptops equipped with HD-DVD drives.

Do you know why this is important and ultimately kills Blu-Ray? Because people carry laptops with them, being able to watch hi-def movies on the go for CHEAP is more important then being able to burn to a 25gb or 50gb Blu-Ray disk.

Why HD DVD group wasn't in a hurry to come out with the burner? Simple, there was absolutely NO NEED. The media is way too expensive anyways, the technology is still not 100% tested and the price is ridiculous.

Do you know that a single 50gb Blu-Ray recordable disk is around ~$50. This means that if I can buy an external 160-250gb hard disk in the $100-$140 price range that is of course REWRITABLE unlike BD-R disk, and for the same price I can pretty much buy 3 50gb BD-R disks. In my book this is completely illogical. Why would I buy less storage that I can't overwrite for higher price when I can buy a portable hard drive with faster speed and more storage for the same price. Completely idiotic. But I guess fanboys like you don't actually need brain when Sony thinks for you.

Second, HD DVD writer is already out and it is cheaper then BD writers. It doesn't matter if it's 1x or 2x, they are both PAINFULLY slow and BD writers with prices of $499 and up (it went up all the way to $900) you won't be seeing that in mass computers for sure. That takes us to beginning, we'll still see regular DVD burners and, what and what? You got it, HD-DVD players as they are pretty much right now at $100 for PCs.

So please, go troll somewhere else. PC platform, burners or not, as of this moment, belongs to HD-DVD. Blu-Ray has almost no presence. Dell and Sony sell computers with Blu-Ray that's about it. I was looking to buy a laptop so I know, I was looking everywhere.

While everything you said is valid to a point you skip over a few notes. You compare optical media to a hard drive based simply on price for space, however if I'm already lugging around a laptop, I don't want to drag an external hard drive with it's power supply as well when I can simply tuck 3 discs into my bag. Second, the price is about $1 per GB right now, I'll bet the price comes down quicker for the media than it would for the hard drive. Say something like $5 per disc by the end of 2009 at least. I don't have any hard proof about that, I'm just just speculating based on the way DVD media came down to where I can buy a spindle of 50 now for $25 when just 3 years ago it was almost $10 a disc.

You also failed to mention the price of blank HD DVD media as I can find some places online selling for about $12 a disc if you buy in bulk, and those are the 15gb discs too. If the issue was simply most space for the money nobody would adopt any media early.

While most PC manufacturers might be leaning towards HD DVD right now, the fact that Sony and Dell are the ones offering Blu-Ray is pretty significant. They are two of the biggest names that Joe Schmo consumer knows. My uncle doesn't know the difference between Lenovo, Acer, or Hitachi but he does know that you can go to Dell.com or call them up and they'll configure a computer just for him. blah, blah, blah. The early adopters aren't going to determine the winner, it's the regular consumer. And for them, the $299 price for a player is what should push them to the HD DVD side.

DaveBG trolls like this all the time on other sites and gets away with it. I'm glad the more mature and technically adept members of Neowin are able to quickly call him out on his hijinks.

Boz said,
blah blah blah, you are just talking about things you have no clue about..

First of all, HD-DVD offers faster read speeds than BD, second you do realize there are more companies at this moment integrating HD-DVD drives in computers including HP, Acer, Asus, Lite-On (is actually offering HD-DVD), Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, Alpine (for cars), Fujitsu, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Lenovo, Teac and a few others. You see, these are ALL major COMPUTER manufacturers. Add to this a great software support to HD-DVD by Microsoft, Inter Video, GEAR Software, Nero and CyberLink and it's clear that HD-DVD has very solid ground on any PC.

Additional hardware support by Intel (as it is a member of HD DVD group) doesn't encourage manufacturers to go Blu Ray either.

One of Intel's previous statments:

The only computer manufacturer that's BD is Dell, all others mostly prefer and integrate HD-DVD because it's cheaper and the specs are pretty much the same. And you know what this means? This means millions and millions of laptops equipped with HD-DVD drives.

Do you know why this is important and ultimately kills Blu-Ray? Because people carry laptops with them, being able to watch hi-def movies on the go for CHEAP is more important then being able to burn to a 25gb or 50gb Blu-Ray disk.

Why HD DVD group wasn't in a hurry to come out with the burner? Simple, there was absolutely NO NEED. The media is way too expensive anyways, the technology is still not 100% tested and the price is ridiculous.

Do you know that a single 50gb Blu-Ray recordable disk is around ~$50. This means that if I can buy an external 160-250gb hard disk in the $100-$140 price range that is of course REWRITABLE unlike BD-R disk, and for the same price I can pretty much buy 3 50gb BD-R disks. In my book this is completely illogical. Why would I buy less storage that I can't overwrite for higher price when I can buy a portable hard drive with faster speed and more storage for the same price. Completely idiotic. But I guess fanboys like you don't actually need brain when Sony thinks for you.

Second, HD DVD writer is already out and it is cheaper then BD writers. It doesn't matter if it's 1x or 2x, they are both PAINFULLY slow and BD writers with prices of $499 and up (it went up all the way to $900) you won't be seeing that in mass computers for sure. That takes us to beginning, we'll still see regular DVD burners and, what and what? You got it, HD-DVD players as they are pretty much right now at $100 for PCs.

So please, go troll somewhere else. PC platform, burners or not, as of this moment, belongs to HD-DVD. Blu-Ray has almost no presence. Dell and Sony sell computers with Blu-Ray that's about it. I was looking to buy a laptop so I know, I was looking everywhere.

Almost all those companies intergrating HD DVD drives into computers also have Blu-Ray Laptops and Desktops. So your whole argument that the PC Platform belongs to HD DVD is laughable at best. The PC platform does not and probably will not belong to either HD DVD or Blu-Ray anytime soon. I see the PC Platform ending up much like the DVD-R vs DVD+R battle. I found 15gb HD DVD-R for $12, 25gb BD-R for $12 and 50gb for $32 so I guess you don't really search that well if you couldn't find those or a Laptop with Blu-Ray from companies other than Dell and Sony. HP has Blu-Ray option for laptops and so does Acer. Lite-On has already introduced their Blu-Ray drive already and Sony/NEC have a joint venture in the optical drive market where they have their Blu-Ray drives. Sanyo, Fujitsu, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Lenovo and Teac have products in both HD DVD and Blu-Ray. So maybe you should look in the mirror before you start spitting out the words fanboy and troll towards other users.


Boz said,
The real fight is starting now. Now we should really see the true power of HD-DVD. PS3 steam is running out, the games will start coming out and owners of PS3 consoles will slowly stop buying BD titles as they will actually have something to do with the console. I know, I own it too, it's extremely frustrating not having any good games on the console and the only thing I use the PS3 is Blu-Ray. This will change of course.

And let's not forget a permanent dip with Toshiba HD-DVD players, taking them to $299 price and we've got a serious comeback from HD-DVD. If they sold so many units with at this price with that rebate, we can only imagine how well it will sell now when it's permanently at that price. I believe that Toshiba also wanted to show that they have even more space in pricing and that we might actually see more promotions where if they go with more rebates the price will come down to probably magical $250.

I've also noticed something very interesting. In my local electronics stores, especially my local Best Buy they constantly had Blu-Ray ALL over and HD-DVD somewhere in the back on a crappy TV, I go there yesterday to pick up some hard drive and I see a surprise, HD-DVD all over the place and Blu-Ray only in one part of the store. Something's up, I'm telling you.

Sony has nothing right now as a weapon. The only thing that is left for them is movie giveaway as they can't lower the prices any more. They've already lowered them a lot.

I still think that HD-DVD will win. Just looking by Warner, there's something cooking. They are delaying TotalHD, releasing movies on HD-DVD that are more feature packed and using HDi to the fullest, actually pioneering many things, Blu-Ray association is under anti-trust case in Europe and HD-DVD is again gaining momentum and the software giant Microsoft is waking up with the announcement of 1000 Indie HD-DVD movies . It will be very interesting in the next few months indeed.

This is even more laughable than your other post. Toshiba has had the HD-DVD standalones from $199-299 for a while and it has gained them next to nothing. It's funny you mention best buy as some sort of proof of something happening because if you go to the Best Buy's around my area some have no Blu-Ray, Others no HD DVD and a couple don't have either. Most Circuit Citys in my area have neither of the two. The Europe anti-trust case is looking into both but it's nice of you to only mention Blu-Ray. And LOL @ PS3's steam running out. You might want to check the movie sales because they are constantly 70/30 in Blu-Ray's favor. You know the reason movie studios are in it is to sell their movies right? That is what will win the war, People buying the movies. You might want to check the numbers for overseas countries where HD DVD is D.O.A already and you have a pretty grim outlook. What is going to drive the sales this early is content and not price. If the movies people want aren't on the platform why should they invest in it even if there are $100 Blu-Ray or HD DVD Standalones?

U.S.A:

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Microsoft backing HD DVD means nothing as well because they dont manufacture standalones or produce movies. They are just in it to muddy up the waters long enough to stall both so they can go ahead with the Vista/XboX Live/Digital Downloads initiative they have been ranting about for years. Ever wonder why they didn't include a HD DVD drive in the X360 when Toshiba is basically subsidizing the drive for them to use in the Add-on. Had Microsoft included it this was war would have been over long ago. Intel Viiv is HD DVD and Amd Live! is Blu-Ray. TotalHD was set to be a complete failure from the beginning since they could only handle 15gb on the HD DVD side and 25gb on the Blu-Ray side.

oj213 said,
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Listen buddy, everything that i say is taken from the actual news sources, while you have the point that some of these computer manufactures GIVE YOU the option of Blu-Ray (as they are businesses of course and want to give consumer choice) they PACK their mass production laptops (for your regular Joe Schmo) with HD-DVD. So please, you points have no merit. Again, they ARE encouraged to deliver HD DVD solutions because of the Intel hardware/ Microsoft Software HD DVD support.

Plus, did we forget that HD DVD is CHEAPER, yeah! So next time you go to buy a laptop at any electronics store, tell me when you see these companies I mentioned having prebuilt laptops with Blu-Ray drives please. Cause I sure can't see one.

If you found super cheap Blu-Ray media like that it's great, I was looking at major sites like Amazon and online stores for electronics chains. If you found a some personal Yahoo store selling media for cheaper GREAT. All the power to you, but while the media costs as much as it costs on MAJOR sites and in stores, my point stands.

This is even more laughable than your other post. Toshiba has had the HD-DVD standalones from $199-299 for a while and it has gained them next to nothing. It's funny you mention best buy as some sort of proof of something happening because if you go to the Best Buy's around my area some have no Blu-Ray, Others no HD DVD and a couple don't have either. Most Circuit Citys in my area have neither of the two. The Europe anti-trust case is looking into both but it's nice of you to only mention Blu-Ray. And LOL @ PS3's steam running out. You might want to check the movie sales because they are constantly 70/30 in Blu-Ray's favor. You know the reason movie studios are in it is to sell their movies right? That is what will win the war, People buying the movies. You might want to check the numbers for overseas countries where HD DVD is D.O.A already and you have a pretty grim outlook. What is going to drive the sales this early is content and not price. If the movies people want aren't on the platform why should they invest in it even if there are $100 Blu-Ray or HD DVD Standalones?

What the hell are you talking about? The drop in price won't mean anything? Hahaha, you are such a fanboy and not objective at all. Toshiba sold close to 70,000 HD-DVD players with the rebate deal. We are talking about $299 stand-alone players here, my young forum friend not X360 add-on. Some people say, Toshiba alone might be coming closer to PS3 numbers in players with this cut in price. Couple that with possible rebate deals and movie giveaways in the future and we might be looking at HD-DVD players that might be going south of $250. Also, the number of releases on HD DVD supports this intitiative telling us that Universal, Toshiba, Microsoft, Amazon and other HD DVD supporters are definitely making a unified push to make things happen.

Best Buy has been pushign Blu-Ray from THE START, this was mainly because they could A. make more money as the products were more expensive and B. Sony was paying them big bucks. The situation is changing now and I see more HD-DVD stuff being presented. This doesn't mean Best Buy is suddenly become fond of HD-DVD, no, this means that HD-DVD is picking up serious action.

Second, The Europe anti-trust case WAS looking into both BUT they are actually more interested in looking at Blu-Ray. Read the freakin' article.

The numbers you are posting are right and getting old slowly, because the situation is changing. The reason Blu-Ray has that lead is simply because of a lack of games. I have PS3 and I have 4 games for it and 10 blu-Ray movies. Do you see why? No games, the only thing I can use the PS3 for is movies, thus Blu-Ray. This is why you see this jump, it has been discussed by many market experts and it is obvious that PS3 is running out of steam as the hype is gone, their sales numbers are poor. The games will come, and then that happens, the regular Sony fanboy (a kid that defends PS3 like no other :)) won't be ABLE to buy both as they are expensive. $60 for games and $25-30 for movies. Nah, you'll see a big drop in Blu-Ray movie sales FOR SURE. Despite the fact that Microsoft hasn't shown super awesome initiative for HD DVD, they did release the HD DVD player for X360 and all they have to do it dip the price to follow Toshiba to some $175 or $150 and the numbers for HD DVD will go through the ROOF.

To say that Microsoft support is not important is down right idiotic. Just sit and watch what Microsoft is starting to do. They are pushign big time, and the start now is the 1000 Indie movies in HD-DVD. The big boys are stepping in for the HD DVD side and investing money (read my blog for the exclusive comments from a Microsoft Insider about what Microsoft/Amazon support for HD DVD means).

Listen buddy, everything that i say is taken from the actual news sources, while you have the point that some of these computer manufactures GIVE YOU the option of Blu-Ray (as they are businesses of course and want to give consumer choice) they PACK their mass production laptops (for your regular Joe Schmo) with HD-DVD. So please, you points have no merit. Again, they ARE encouraged to deliver HD DVD solutions because of the Intel hardware/ Microsoft Software HD DVD support.

Plus, did we forget that HD DVD is CHEAPER, yeah! So next time you go to buy a laptop at any electronics store, tell me when you see these companies I mentioned having prebuilt laptops with Blu-Ray drives please. Cause I sure can't see one.

If you found super cheap Blu-Ray media like that it's great, I was looking at major sites like Amazon and online stores for electronics chains. If you found a some personal Yahoo store selling media for cheaper GREAT. All the power to you, but while the media costs as much as it costs on MAJOR sites and in stores, my point stands.

This is funny because I could have sworn I saw more than a few laptops that came with Blu-Ray as the main drive and not just as an option. Nice try on the media prices but the prices I posted were from Newegg.com, But I guess those aren't really the price right? Or maybe that isn't a major site in your eyes.

What the hell are you talking about? The drop in price won't mean anything? Hahaha, you are such a fanboy and not objective at all. Toshiba sold close to 70,000 HD-DVD players with the rebate deal. We are talking about $299 stand-alone players here, my young forum friend not X360 add-on. Some people say, Toshiba alone might be coming closer to PS3 numbers in players with this cut in price. Couple that with possible rebate deals and movie giveaways in the future and we might be looking at HD-DVD players that might be going south of $250. Also, the number of releases on HD DVD supports this intitiative telling us that Universal, Toshiba, Microsoft, Amazon and other HD DVD supporters are definitely making a unified push to make things happen.

Best Buy has been pushign Blu-Ray from THE START, this was mainly because they could A. make more money as the products were more expensive and B. Sony was paying them big bucks. The situation is changing now and I see more HD-DVD stuff being presented. This doesn't mean Best Buy is suddenly become fond of HD-DVD, no, this means that HD-DVD is picking up serious action.


And yet they have just recently made it over 300,000 players sold for standalones + x360 addon. How long have they been on sale? Those are defenitely amazing sales. LOL I guess that's why they had to cut their sales forecast from 1.8 million to 1 million next-generation optical disc players and recorders in North America by the end of calendar 2007. Toshiba is going to have to do something as far movies are concerned because Universal can keep pumping out catalog releases that don't sell and that won't set player sales on fire. I would love to see where your getting this conspiracy theory that Best Buy was being paid off by Sony to push Blu-Ray? I guess the movies sale wouldn't have anything to do with that huh. I'm gonna guess you got that from a HD DVD blog and since it fits in with your wild conspiracy theories you take it as gospel.

http://news.com.com/Toshiba+drops+sales+ta..._3-6190361.html

Second, The Europe anti-trust case WAS looking into both BUT they are actually more interested in looking at Blu-Ray. Read the freakin' article.

"The HD DVD camp has been lobbying the commission to draw attention to Blu-ray's tactics in the movie capital in a bid to force more studios to put their product on HD DVD, according to people familiar with the situation."

That is all that needs to be read from the article. They didn't do it because they felt something was going that could be illegal. They are doing because HD DVD is getting it's ass handed to them and they are throwing a fit. So they went and tattletaled to the government to help them fight the Blu-Ray meanies.

The numbers you are posting are right and getting old slowly, because the situation is changing. The reason Blu-Ray has that lead is simply because of a lack of games. I have PS3 and I have 4 games for it and 10 blu-Ray movies. Do you see why? No games, the only thing I can use the PS3 for is movies, thus Blu-Ray. This is why you see this jump, it has been discussed by many market experts and it is obvious that PS3 is running out of steam as the hype is gone, their sales numbers are poor. The games will come, and then that happens, the regular Sony fanboy (a kid that defends PS3 like no other :)) won't be ABLE to buy both as they are expensive. $60 for games and $25-30 for movies. Nah, you'll see a big drop in Blu-Ray movie sales FOR SURE. Despite the fact that Microsoft hasn't shown super awesome initiative for HD DVD, they did release the HD DVD player for X360 and all they have to do it dip the price to follow Toshiba to some $175 or $150 and the numbers for HD DVD will go through the ROOF.

To say that Microsoft support is not important is down right idiotic. Just sit and watch what Microsoft is starting to do. They are pushign big time, and the start now is the 1000 Indie movies in HD-DVD. The big boys are stepping in for the HD DVD side and investing money (read my blog for the exclusive comments from a Microsoft Insider about what Microsoft/Amazon support for HD DVD means).


No they are not getting old those are sales from this past month and have been around the since the war started. Also, The PS3 will continue to sell aswell which brings in new customers who might give Blu-Ray a try. That won't stop no matter how much you wish it did. Standalones are already at $499 and will only get cheaper. How long can Toshiba continue to play chicken with the price before they go bankrupt. To say that the reason is a lack of games is dumb, It's because of the movies. You know the Big Blockbuster movies held by several Blu-Ray only studios. Those are the movies that get the attention of the general public, Not catalog titles that have been out for years. Your delirious if you actually believe that retarded reasoning for the asswhooping HD DVD is taking in movie sales. The HD DVD addon (150,000 Sold) isn't doing much better for a $200 HD DVD player considering the huge amount of X360 owners out there. Microsoft is completely irrelevant, I'm sure the general public will go apesh*t over made to order Indie films they have never heard of on HD DVD only available through Amazon. The indie movies worth watching get picked up by major studios more often than not. Who are these big boys besides Toshiba who is the only CE company with a HD DVD Standalone on the market and Universal who keep pumping out catalog titles that continue to get ignored? Let me guess who your *insider* is, Is it Amirm the MS shill from the avsforums?

I love how you had to mention you had a PS3 as if that excuses you from being a HD DVD fanboy. Good Day!

Son you are comforting yourself and don't really know how things work. You are just speculating, you are not providing a shred of facts to back yourself up.

The only article you posted to back your claims is Toshiba's sales estimate. So they actually miscalculated the Chinese effect on HDDVD players this year, so what. What exactly laptops have you seen with BLu-Ray? Sony and Dell? Awesome.. Dell being online only and Sony the only Blu-Ray laptop on the market. Alienware is there too, but again online. In retail son, there are numerous laptops with HD-DVD, Acer laptops, HP laptops, Toshiba laptops, Asus laptops and so on. Go to any bigger electronics chain and in the laptop dept. Sony is THE ONLY one having laptops with Blu-ray if any are present as stores don't really carry them as they are expensive as hell, while HD-DVD is present on almost any higher end laptop from companies mentioned above.

This is reality, I don't have to be a fanboy to point these out. You are just very inexperienced and don't understand that being fanboy doesn't do YOU any good. Being attached to a single company or format without objective reasoning and personal benefit is BAD for you. Because none of these companies really care about you, they care about your money. And you as a consumer have to be objective and smart to realize when someone is trying to close the circle in order to completely dominate the market. The numbers we see now are very true and in favor on Blu-Ray, but this is a factor of the storm of PS3s and lack of games, it's common sense. Of course, Sony and the gang is constantly spinning this as an ultimate domination over HD-DVD when only few months have passed. Many reputable analysts actually say that Sony's dominance is not at all great considering the overall numbers of PS3s. This is logical as all we really keep seeing is constant smoke screen of marketing coming from Sony and it's subsidaries.

Just put yourself in a position of ownng the PS3 now. You bought it to game and of course having Blu-Ray is an addon, but right now, you don't really have any games and the only thing to show off your console and enjoy it is to buy Blu-Ray movies as you can't really rent them. Well you can online, but most people (like me) don't really use these online services as they are slow. So, what's the result? Increased BD title sales. This is fine, but these numbers will change drastically as new games start coming out starting later this month and towards the end of this year. A lot of people, kids who bought PS3s, will not be really able to buy everythign, so they'll most likely pick games as it gives them repeat fun factor.

Now let's take a look at HD-DVD. The numbers are all SOLID. Meaning they are completely REAL and not hyped up. People who own HD-DVDs bought them exactly for that, hi-def movies. There are no ulterior motives here. These numbers are rising and will go through the roof in the upcoming months with the new $299 stand-alone HD-DVD players that lower income-class people can buy. Not only that, but Microsoft (I'm just speculating here) might lower their HD-DVD player prices in order to further boost sales of Indie titles. As Microsoft Insider said, this is huge for HD DVD camp, because on Amazon you will see over 1000 new titles for HD DVD by the end of this year. Having X360 HD-DVD player at let's say $150 will further push HD-DVD into more homes (out of 10 million homes with X360, all they need is around 10% to buy that HD-DVD player and we already have additional million HD-DVD players - DEDICATED ones too).

Let's not forget, an OCASSIONAL movie watcher and DEDICATED movie buff are completely different. Who do you think will sell more titles. A million DEDICATED movie buffs or 3 million POTENTIAL movie watchers. I'd bet my money on the DEDICATED.

This is why I support HD-DVD even though I own every single piece of technology as well as consoles. I am a consumer that understands what he wants and understands when a set of corporations is aiming to get me into a position of no choice. HD-DVD has been more diverse, more open to everyone, cheaper, and in my personal opinion as I watch both, much better quality and this is all VERY importnat to every CONSUMER out there.

You on the other hand are a poster child of a truly ignorant fanboy.

Boz said,
Son you are comforting yourself and don't really know how things work. You are just speculating, you are not providing a shred of facts to back yourself up.

The only article you posted to back your claims is Toshiba's sales estimate. So they actually miscalculated the Chinese effect on HDDVD players this year, so what. What exactly laptops have you seen with BLu-Ray? Sony and Dell? Awesome.. Dell being online only and Sony the only Blu-Ray laptop on the market. Alienware is there too, but again online. In retail son, there are numerous laptops with HD-DVD, Acer laptops, HP laptops, Asus laptops and so on. Go to any bigger electronics chain and in the laptop dept. Sony is THE ONLY one having laptops with Blu-ray if any are present as stores don't really carry them as they are expensive as hell, while HD-DVD is present on almost any higher end laptop from companies mentioned above.

This is reality, I don't have to be a fanboy to point these out. You are just very inexperienced and don't understand that being fanboy doesn't do YOU any good. Being attached to a single company or format without objective reasoning and personal benefit is BAD for you. Because none of these companies really care about you, they care about your money. And you as a consumer have to be objective and smart to realize when someone is trying to close the circle in order to completely dominate the market.

This is why I support HD-DVD even though I own every single piece of technology as well as consoles. I am a consumer that understands what he wants and understands when a set of corporations is aiming to get me into a position of no choice. HD-DVD has been more diverse, more open to everyone, cheaper, and in my personal opinion as I watch both, much better quality and this is all VERY importnat to every CONSUMER out there.

You on the other hand are a poster child of a truly ignorant fanboy.

Sorry but I'm not the one posting conspiracy theories of payoffs and PS3 owners buying movies because there are no games as the reason for the lopsided movie sales. And no Toshiba did not over estimate some chinese effect, What would the chinese have to do with sales in the U.S of the Toshiba standalones and burners? Could it be that their bottom of the barrel price isn't selling the hardware? They have had their standalones out for sale close to a year and together with the addon can barely scrape above 300,000 units sold as of June. Shows that the price isn't worth jack if there is nothing on the format that appeals to the general public.

Last time I went to best buy they had 1 Acer laptop with HD DVD and 1 Sony Laptop, Wow the amount of HD DVD laptops was overwhelming. Your claims that the laptop depts. are flooded with HD DVD equipped laptops isn't based on reality. I will be waiting for the proof of your wild conspiracy theory and your Insider info. Nice of you to not even try to argue any of the points you were arguing that I shot down. But it's ok, Call me a fanboy if it makes you feel better. And please stop with the jabber about not being a fanboy with your objective reasoning. Anyone with half a brain can see through your FUD and so called Objective Reasoning. At least have the balls to admit your a HD DVD fanboy. Big surprise that you own and magically HD DVD has much better quality. :rolleyes:


The numbers we see now are very true and in favor on Blu-Ray, but this is a factor of the storm of PS3s and lack of games, it's common sense. Of course, Sony and the gang is constantly spinning this as an ultimate domination over HD-DVD when only few months have passed. Many reputable analysts actually say that Sony's dominance is not at all great considering the overall numbers of PS3s. This is logical as all we really keep seeing is constant smoke screen of marketing coming from Sony and it's subsidaries.

Just put yourself in a position of ownng the PS3 now. You bought it to game and of course having Blu-Ray is an addon, but right now, you don't really have any games and the only thing to show off your console and enjoy it is to buy Blu-Ray movies as you can't really rent them. Well you can online, but most people (like me) don't really use these online services as they are slow. So, what's the result? Increased BD title sales. This is fine, but these numbers will change drastically as new games start coming out starting later this month and towards the end of this year. A lot of people, kids who bought PS3s, will not be really able to buy everythign, so they'll most likely pick games as it gives them repeat fun factor.

Now let's take a look at HD-DVD. The numbers are all SOLID. Meaning they are completely REAL and not hyped up. People who own HD-DVDs bought them exactly for that, hi-def movies. There are no ulterior motives here. These numbers are rising and will go through the roof in the upcoming months with the new $299 stand-alone HD-DVD players that lower income-class people can buy. Not only that, but Microsoft (I'm just speculating here) might lower their HD-DVD player prices in order to further boost sales of Indie titles. As Microsoft Insider said, this is huge for HD DVD camp, because on Amazon you will see over 1000 new titles for HD DVD by the end of this year. Having X360 HD-DVD player at let's say $150 will further push HD-DVD into more homes (out of 10 million homes with X360, all they need is around 10% to buy that HD-DVD player and we already have additional million HD-DVD players - DEDICATED ones too).

You post this rubbish and have the audacity to call someone else a fanboy. None of this is based on fact whatsoever, It's all wishful thinking. I can't believe you continue to spew this PS3 has no games crap. Show me articles of these analysts you speak of that spew that you are writing. A few months? It's been a year for HD DVD with it's large head start and again have barely managed to sell over 300,000 units with all the 5 & 10 free movie promotions and $100 rebates. Microsoft has nothing to do with the pricing of the Add-On that is Toshiba's job. It's their drive packaged in a white X360 shell. Keep fighting the good fight against the Blu-Ray gang and their spinning.

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Sorry but I'm not the one posting conspiracy theories of payoffs and PS3 owners buying movies because there are no games as the reason for the lopsided movie sales. And no Toshiba did not over estimate some chinese effect, What would the chinese have to do with sales in the U.S of the Toshiba standalones and burners? Could it be that their bottom of the barrel price isn't selling the hardware? They have had their standalones out for sale close to a year and together with the addon can barely scrape above 300,000 units sold as of June. Shows that the price isn't worth jack if there is nothing on the format that appeals to the general public.

Last time I went to best buy they had 1 Acer laptop with HD DVD and 1 Sony Laptop, Wow the amount of HD DVD laptops was overwhelming. Your claims that the laptop depts. are flooded with HD DVD equipped laptops isn't based on reality. I will be waiting for the proof of your wild conspiracy theory and your Insider info. Nice of you to not even try to argue any of the points you were arguing that I shot down. But it's ok, Call me a fanboy if it makes you feel better. And please stop with the jabber about not being a fanboy with your objective reasoning. Anyone with half a brain can see through your FUD and so called Objective Reasoning. At least have the balls to admit your a HD DVD fanboy. Big surprise that you own and magically HD DVD has much better quality. :rolleyes:

You post this rubbish and have the audacity to call someone else a fanboy. None of this is based on fact whatsoever, It's all wishful thinking. I can't believe you continue to spew this PS3 has no games crap. Show me articles of these analysts you speak of that spew that you are writing. A few months? It's been a year for HD DVD with it's large head start and again have barely managed to sell over 300,000 units with all the 5 & 10 free movie promotions and $100 rebates. Microsoft has nothing to do with the pricing of the Add-On that is Toshiba's job. It's their drive packaged in a white X360 shell. Keep fighting the good fight against the Blu-Ray gang and their spinning.

You are just so funny. Do you actually own any of these technologies?

The real fight is starting now. Now we should really see the true power of HD-DVD. PS3 steam is running out, the games will start coming out and owners of PS3 consoles will slowly stop buying BD titles as they will actually have something to do with the console. I know, I own it too, it's extremely frustrating not having any good games on the console and the only thing I use the PS3 is Blu-Ray. This will change of course.

And let's not forget a permanent dip with Toshiba HD-DVD players, taking them to $299 price and we've got a serious comeback from HD-DVD. If they sold so many units with at this price with that rebate, we can only imagine how well it will sell now when it's permanently at that price. I believe that Toshiba also wanted to show that they have even more space in pricing and that we might actually see more promotions where if they go with more rebates the price will come down to probably magical $250.

I've also noticed something very interesting. In my local electronics stores, especially my local Best Buy they constantly had Blu-Ray ALL over and HD-DVD somewhere in the back on a crappy TV, I go there yesterday to pick up some hard drive and I see a surprise, HD-DVD all over the place and Blu-Ray only in one part of the store. Something's up, I'm telling you.

Sony has nothing right now as a weapon. The only thing that is left for them is movie giveaway as they can't lower the prices any more. They've already lowered them a lot.

I still think that HD-DVD will win. Just looking by Warner, there's something cooking. They are delaying TotalHD, releasing movies on HD-DVD that are more feature packed and using HDi to the fullest, actually pioneering many things, Blu-Ray association is under anti-trust case in Europe and HD-DVD is again gaining momentum and the software giant Microsoft is waking up with the announcement of 1000 Indie HD-DVD movies . It will be very interesting in the next few months indeed.

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said,#1.1]everybody is under an antitrust case in Europe it seems like these days. Yucky.

Well it does sound like Europe is just being annoying, however, I don't think this is the case. You see, in US, ANYTHING goes if you have money. It's simple as that. Deals are being made behind closed doors, the government is pretty much in pockets of big corporation. This of course, is present in Europe too, but not this much. Another thing is that European Union as it is, is still very diverse. The consumers are much more aware and value a lot more things and protect the market. It is quite normal to see these things arise as greedy deals are happening (in general, not just Blu-Ray if it turns out that way).