More rumors of next Playstation console surface

There's been a lot of rumors about what Sony's next major game console will be like and when it will launch. While Sony claims it won't be making any new console hardware announcements at E3 this June, a new article at Kotaku claims via unnamed sources to have some new details about the successor to the Playstation 3, which launched in November 2006.

The story claims that the working name for the next Sony game console is Orbis, which in Latin can mean orbit or circle or ring. The article suggests that the name could be the final title for the console which might mean Sony is dumping the Playstation name after over a decade of use.

The article also claims that there are no plans to offer Playstation 3 backwards compatibility in the new console and that there will be some kind of anti-used game technology inside. It says that disc-based games will be linked to a person's online PSN account. If another person buys the same disk, they will only be able to play the game in limited ways before having to purchase a key to unlock the full version.

Both the CPU and GPU are supposed to be made by AMD and that a few game developers have already received development kits for the "Orbis". Finally, the article says the console will launch at the end of 2013.

Sony has, as expected, not commented on the details of this article and its more than possible that one or more of these details might change.

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article also claims that there are no plans to offer Playstation 3 backwards compatibility in the new console and that there will be some kind of anti-used game technology inside. It says that disc-based games will be linked to a person's online PSN account. If another person buys the same disk, they will only be able to play the game in limited ways before having to purchase a key to unlock the full version.


if this is true i think sony just killed it's only change to get back in to the game

i have a pc and ps3 and let me tell you something, the psn plus account has my hard drive full of great games and just for 18 dollars every 3 months i get that multiply like 100 times worth of content and the blu ray its top of the line, dont go telling people not to buy bla bla bla if you like xbox fine if you like pc fine if you like ps3 fine, all i can say is that you have never played uncharted or god of war or twisted metal ahhhh good games and i can keep going, xbox got a few too like gow and halo but hey the console its not out and you already bashing it? that shows that you are just a xbox fan

Looks like everything is going to the model of an online ID and your game license linked with it. It's not called the cloud, it's call the matrix. You must plug in or you are not part of the digital world and can't do anything unless you want to live like a caveman.

nicedreams said,
Looks like everything is going to the model of an online ID and your game license linked with it. It's not called the cloud, it's call the matrix. You must plug in or you are not part of the digital world and can't do anything unless you want to live like a caveman.

Unless you take the red pill...

I think Sony's console needs a new name.

These devices are far beyond the realm of 'Play'
Every console these days performs many functions outside of gaming.
A good name that encompasses the breadth of capability would be better from a marketing perspective.

I'm curious, but that's where it ends. I've been disappointed overall with my PS3, I bought it at $299 and a bunch of games that only a couple impressed me, and not to the extent they should have for $60 a pop. I ended up hacking it and at least got a little more value out of it. Played online for a few weeks with Warbirds and Killzone for a while, then got bored and went right back to PC gaming.

I was really expecting awesome graphics when I first bought it, and almost every single game had terrible jaggies, which drives me nuts.

Seems the "new" PS3 will focus on typical Sony greed first, customer wants 2nd as usual. They seem to forget the days of being the only game in town are LONG GONE. They still behave as if everyone will want whatever they put out. Sort of like Microsoft without the monopoly.

jorden25 said,
Simply call the "New Play Station". Done!

LOL, what kind of ridiculous company would name a product in a series of products the "new" anything?

Backwards compatibility is a non event. NO one cares. Not even you lot. You just like to kick up a fuss about such pointless things. NEW consoles are for NEW games. OLD consoles are for OLD games. Keep your old consoles if you want to play old games. Get over it.

As for the used games thing ... so what? You know most online games are requiring another fee on top to get a new online code now anyway ... so in other words, if you buy a used game for £20, you end up paying £35 - £40 because of the online code slapped on top (if the old one has been used ... 99% of the time it has).

Developers and publishers hate the used industry ... that's why any of this tech will ever be put in place. IF it is.

Spirit Dave said,
Backwards compatibility is a non event. NO one cares. Not even you lot. You just like to kick up a fuss about such pointless things. NEW consoles are for NEW games. OLD consoles are for OLD games. Keep your old consoles if you want to play old games. Get over it.

You know, I reluctantly agree with you there (mostly because I've been on a bit of a nostalgia trip since GAME went into administration, I've been able to get a few classic PS2 games for peanuts). It is nice to be able to play the last-gen games on the current-gen console, but yeah, it makes more sense to just keep the last-gen console, but there are times when it's nice to have backwards compatibility with consoles you never had the chance of playing before, like with the Wii; I liked that you could play Gamecube games on it, as I never had one before (started off with a PS2, then got an Xbox a few years later), but was always curious about it. But then again, Nintendo's console are so underpowered compared to Microsoft and Sony's offering, I can play those old Gamecube game on my PC with Dolphin.

Spirit Dave said,
Backwards compatibility is a non event. NO one cares. Not even you lot. You just like to kick up a fuss about such pointless things. NEW consoles are for NEW games. OLD consoles are for OLD games. Keep your old consoles if you want to play old games. Get over it..

I've got to object to this. Right now, previous gen games don't matter I agree, because we're 5 years into the console cycle. However early in the lifespan of a brand new console, it's pretty important especially if you had a good run in the last gen. It's one of the reasons the PS2 was so successful at launch, you can play all your old games and get these new ones that look better. While it's importance fades quickly as more quality games come out, that first year of you're probably going to be playing a decent amount of last gen games waiting for more games to come out. "PS4" will be in a bad position at launch if they have 20 games at launch playable, and the "720" and WiiU can play hundreds thanks to backwards compatibility.

The Backwards compatibility not working is almost definitely true. Most reports say they are ditching the cell architecture, and the unique multi-core architecture would be difficult to emulate with any decent performance, not with the price point they're aiming for.

The bigger backwards compatibility problem is for digital. Thanks to Steam, iTunes, PSN, and Xbox Live people expect to be able to take their digital games with them to new devices. If suddenly you move to your next console and the majority of your downloadable games are not available, that's a pretty big fail. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Also I don't want to live in a world where I can't play PixelJunk Monsters on any Playstation Device.

"Playstation 3 backwards compatibility" - This is the deal breaker for me. I'm not one to believe in rumors, so we'll see what actually happens.

The story claims that the working name for the next Sony game console is Orbis, which in Latin can mean orbit or circle or ring.

A ring with 360 degrees?

I don't get why people complain? Could you play NES games on SNES? not until a version for that console was released, same goes for n64 and Cube.
Though the PS2 could read the majority of PS1 games IIRC.

Draconian Guppy said,
I don't get why people complain? Could you play NES games on SNES? not until a version for that console was released, same goes for n64 and Cube.
Though the PS2 could read the majority of PS1 games IIRC.

I could play Atari 2600 games on my Atari 7800. I think what really annoys people is when a console does have backwards compatibility (PS3, Wii) only to have it later yanked out in an effort to save the company money.

Lol, consoles nowadays, pretty much nothing compared with all the fun that my very tiny laptop had given to me. Consoles were good back in the days...

All hail to Nes, Snes, n64, PSX, PS2... those were indeed the days.

Arceles said,
Lol, consoles nowadays, pretty much nothing compared with all the fun that my very tiny laptop had given to me. Consoles were good back in the days...

All hail to Nes, Snes, n64, PSX, PS2... those were indeed the days.

Game consoles died years ago. Today's "consoles" are just stripped down PCs that connect to your TV. Same style of games, same graphics, all boring. They're becoming less and less about games then about internet connected media centers.

Well there are a few good console style games left, I liked Super Mario Wii even if the controller is horrible.

TRC said,

Game consoles died years ago. Today's "consoles" are just stripped down PCs that connect to your TV. Same style of games, same graphics, all boring. They're becoming less and less about games then about internet connected media centers.

Well there are a few good console style games left, I liked Super Mario Wii even if the controller is horrible.

I agree. I really miss the days of Sega honestly. When companies would make investments in new IP. Now it's nothing but sequels... They won't even take the risk to refresh old existing properties.

It's sad to think that Sony might be falling into irrelevancy - and dumping the PlayStation name as a brand will almost certainly be suicide for them.

It's sad because PlayStation was the single coolest thing I used to have during my younger days - having played the pioneer batch of modern console games, i've always felt that those games opened my eyes into a whole new different kind of entertainment in my living room, and it inspired my imagination. They allowed me to have fun, and spend my free time sharing with my friends (multiplayer games back then were all co-op) It's just one of those things that are etched pretty deeply in me.

And PlayStation isn't the only sony brand etched in me - my first portable music player was a Walkman 'discman'. It was an incredible piece of hardware (it lasted 7 years before it became unusable). I'll never forget the kind of amazing sound quality I got to experience through the Sony-supplied earpieces with the Discman. It was unmatched back in those days. I still use Sony earpieces today with everything because i'm just so used to their sound quality and bang-for-buck.

But I think what really impressed me about the Discman is how the CD NEVER skipped despite me handling the discman pretty roughly. The CD would never get scratched either. It was amazing.

Okay, i'm done reminiscing. I'm no market expert, but if Sony is serious about nailing it with the Playstation 4, they need to recall what the original PSone - and the original mission of the PlayStation brand - represented.

FalseAgent said,
It's sad to think that Sony might be falling into irrelevancy - and dumping the PlayStation name as a brand will almost certainly be suicide for them.

It's sad because PlayStation was the single coolest thing I used to have during my younger days - having played the pioneer batch of modern console games, i've always felt that .

waaaaaatt, NINTENDO was the single most coolest thing when I was a kid haha

FalseAgent said,
It's sad to think that Sony might be falling into irrelevancy - and dumping the PlayStation name as a brand will almost certainly be suicide for them.

Playstation Orbis. Problem solved.

If any console does this, I will NOT purchase it. I might buy a new console *after* it has enough library of games that interest me if it didn't have BC (probably after 1-2 price drops) but complete shut out of used games, is a no purchase for me.

etempest said,
If any console does this, I will NOT purchase it. I might buy a new console *after* it has enough library of games that interest me if it didn't have BC (probably after 1-2 price drops) but complete shut out of used games, is a no purchase for me.

the games will be linked to your account, not the console. So I guess you wont buy the console if at all

etempest said,
If any console does this, I will NOT purchase it. I might buy a new console *after* it has enough library of games that interest me if it didn't have BC (probably after 1-2 price drops) but complete shut out of used games, is a no purchase for me.

Yeah, I just don't see this happening to be honest. They rely too heavily on retail stores to push the hardware, and they in turn make too much profit on used games. It would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

"The article suggests that the name could be the final title for the console which might mean Sony is dumping the Playstation name after over a decade of use."

Orrr... it could simply be called the "PlayStation Orbis", much like "PlayStation Vita".

Sony's not gonna call the thing PS4. That's almost certain. The number 4 carries way too much superstitious baggage in Asia.

lunarworks said,
"The article suggests that the name could be the final title for the console which might mean Sony is dumping the Playstation name after over a decade of use."

Orrr... it could simply be called the "PlayStation Orbis", much like "PlayStation Vita".

Sony's not gonna call the thing PS4. That's almost certain. The number 4 carries way too much superstitious baggage in Asia.

I didn't think about the superstition angle. I thought 14 was unlucky, and didn't realize 4 was as well...

virtorio said,
I better start saving now

No, you'd better start investing in something worthwile, especially in these economic times. Too many of my friends that bought the PlayStation 3 regret having bought it, because:
A) The value for money is low (NOT only because it is overpriced, like all Sony devices), games are always better on PC or 360 and the dozen or so exclusives that have been released since the console came to be are mostly overhyped and don't deliver on their promises.
If you want it for the integrated Blue-Ray buy a better standalone unit. The PS3 compromises on everything it does. Jack of all trades, master of none.
B) They couldn't play their huge collection of PS2 games, because Sony dominated that generation. Same thing happens with the Vita. If they knick BC again, then NONE of my friends will buy PlayStation EVER again. Sony is still in last place this gen, so the incentive to go with them next gen is even smaller.
C) Sony's online is still the worst on offer of all online gaming networks. If they want antipiracy tech that ties to your online account, then why on earth would anyone go with PS.., erm SEN. Almost every week there is a period where it is unavailable and is undergoing "maintenance"
D) The Sony and PlayStation brands have lost tremendous amounts of popularity, not only due to the NOTwork affair last year, but also spreading rootkits with CD's and software and for their overhype and arrogance. Their stock price reflects this tremendously as it is barely holding at 10% of the value it was 10 years ago.

Thief000 said,

*snipped*

Wow, troll much?

In response to point C, you've obviously forgotten about Nintendo's offering. Friend codes, anyone? Sony's managed to get the SEN (that's what it's called now) up to a respectable level now. Download speeds are good for me nowadays, and PlayStation Plus is actually surprisingly good.

Thief000 said,

No, you'd better start investing in something worthwile, especially in these economic times. Too many of my friends that bought the PlayStation 3 regret having bought it, because:
A) The value for money is low (NOT only because it is overpriced, like all Sony devices), games are always better on PC or 360 and the dozen or so exclusives that have been released since the console came to be are mostly overhyped and don't deliver on their promises.
If you want it for the integrated Blue-Ray buy a better standalone unit. The PS3 compromises on everything it does. Jack of all trades, master of none.
B) They couldn't play their huge collection of PS2 games, because Sony dominated that generation. Same thing happens with the Vita. If they knick BC again, then NONE of my friends will buy PlayStation EVER again. Sony is still in last place this gen, so the incentive to go with them next gen is even smaller.
C) Sony's online is still the worst on offer of all online gaming networks. If they want antipiracy tech that ties to your online account, then why on earth would anyone go with PS.., erm SEN. Almost every week there is a period where it is unavailable and is undergoing "maintenance"
D) The Sony and PlayStation brands have lost tremendous amounts of popularity, not only due to the NOTwork affair last year, but also spreading rootkits with CD's and software and for their overhype and arrogance. Their stock price reflects this tremendously as it is barely holding at 10% of the value it was 10 years ago.

I agree with you. I got a Playstation 3 as a second console (I already had an XBox 360) a few years back and played maybe one game on it before I sold it. It was not worth the money at all. Having used them both now, I can say that the XBox 360 is a far superior experience.

MightyJordan said,

Wow, troll much?

In response to point C, you've obviously forgotten about Nintendo's offering. Friend codes, anyone? Sony's managed to get the SEN (that's what it's called now) up to a respectable level now. Download speeds are good for me nowadays, and PlayStation Plus is actually surprisingly good.

LOL Fanboy much? What Nintendo offers can't be called a network, it's a store front and yes it has its shortcomings. We'll have to see what they offer with the WiiU. And PlayStation Plus good? You pay for sub-par features on an inferior network that loses connection on and off and find that respectable...that's the real WOW right there. Looks like you're getting brainwashed by the supposed free full games that you don't own and disappear after a period of time.

Thief000 said,

No, you'd better start investing in something worthwile, especially in these economic times. Too many of my friends that bought the PlayStation 3 regret having bought it, because:
A) The value for money is low (NOT only because it is overpriced, like all Sony devices), games are always better on PC or 360 and the dozen or so exclusives that have been released since the console came to be are mostly overhyped and don't deliver on their promises.
If you want it for the integrated Blue-Ray buy a better standalone unit. The PS3 compromises on everything it does. Jack of all trades, master of none.
B) They couldn't play their huge collection of PS2 games, because Sony dominated that generation. Same thing happens with the Vita. If they knick BC again, then NONE of my friends will buy PlayStation EVER again. Sony is still in last place this gen, so the incentive to go with them next gen is even smaller.
C) Sony's online is still the worst on offer of all online gaming networks. If they want antipiracy tech that ties to your online account, then why on earth would anyone go with PS.., erm SEN. Almost every week there is a period where it is unavailable and is undergoing "maintenance"
D) The Sony and PlayStation brands have lost tremendous amounts of popularity, not only due to the NOTwork affair last year, but also spreading rootkits with CD's and software and for their overhype and arrogance. Their stock price reflects this tremendously as it is barely holding at 10% of the value it was 10 years ago.


Yikes. A) on a PC yes, on the Xbox, no. B) Backwards comp isn't a big deal. C) Sony has a fantastic online service AND IT IS FREE! It serves it's purpose, and it does it without costing someone more money. This doesn't mean that I think Xbox Live is bad, not by any means, but the SEN is absolutely on par. D) Sony took a huge hit last year, no doubt. That was a mess.


I own both systems and use both systems, so please don't turn around and tell me I'm a fanboy. If anything, look in a mirror and call yourself that.

Innervisions33 said,


Yikes. A) on a PC yes, on the Xbox, no. B) Backwards comp isn't a big deal. C) Sony has a fantastic online service AND IT IS FREE! It serves it's purpose, and it does it without costing someone more money. This doesn't mean that I think Xbox Live is bad, not by any means, but the SEN is absolutely on par. D) Sony took a huge hit last year, no doubt. That was a mess.


I own both systems and use both systems, so please don't turn around and tell me I'm a fanboy. If anything, look in a mirror and call yourself that.

Sorry, but that last line at the end just entirely disproves your comment and makes YOU the fanboy as nowhere in my comment do I bring up the Xbox 360 and it's always the PlayStation fanboys that bring that up trying to make it look less worse. I judged the system by its own merrits and that is where it fails miserably.

MightyJordan said,

Wow, troll much?

In response to point C, you've obviously forgotten about Nintendo's offering. Friend codes, anyone? Sony's managed to get the SEN (that's what it's called now) up to a respectable level now. Download speeds are good for me nowadays, and PlayStation Plus is actually surprisingly good.

I'm sorry, but this needs to be said. Somebody having and stating an opinion that is different to your own is not trolling. Trolling is posting comments that add nothing to the conversation, or are blatant flamebait. Calling somebody a troll, when they are in fact not trolling, makes you the troll


Innervisions33 said,

Yikes. A) on a PC yes, on the Xbox, no. B) Backwards comp isn't a big deal. C) Sony has a fantastic online service AND IT IS FREE! It serves it's purpose, and it does it without costing someone more money. This doesn't mean that I think Xbox Live is bad, not by any means, but the SEN is absolutely on par. D) Sony took a huge hit last year, no doubt. That was a mess.


I own both systems and use both systems, so please don't turn around and tell me I'm a fanboy. If anything, look in a mirror and call yourself that.

A) It's taken PS3 games many years to develop to the point where they realise the potential of the hardware, due to Sony's extremely poor development tools, and a hardware platform that is inherently difficult to program for (cell processor). Xbox 360 in comparison was very easy to program for as it used familiar programming concepts, and had superior well respected development tools.
B) On the contrary, backwards compatibility is a big deal, mainly during the first year of a console's launch when the portfolio of new games is relatively slim.
C) They [u]may[/u] have a "fantastic online service" now, but it took them several years to evolve the PSN to the level that Xbox Live was 7 years ago. There's also the issue of them allowing their network to be hacked and your details released to everybody. Additionally, I feel that you get what you pay for. £35 (less than 10 pence a day) per year is almost nothing, an insignificant amount to quibble about. Yet it pays for a service that is superior to PSN in every way.
D) Sony have consistently made bad decisions of the course of this generation, starting off by releasing a console that was way outside of the price bracket for most people. The only thing they did right was include Blu-Ray in the console, as this won the war against HD-DVD for them, ironically though this is what made the console so expensive at launch.

Thief000 said,

LOL Fanboy much? What Nintendo offers can't be called a network, it's a store front

You can play online with people on the Wii, so it's a network

Thief000 said,

PlayStation Plus good? You pay for sub-par features on an inferior network that loses connection on and off and find that respectable...that's the real WOW right there. Looks like you're getting brainwashed by the supposed free full games that you don't own and disappear after a period of time.

Once again, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. SEN does not "lose connection on and off", it's been perfectly fine for me these past four years. And the free games don't "disappear", they deactivate until you resubscribe. And considering you get to play through several hundreds of pounds worth of games each year, £40 isn't that much, especially when over on the 360, that same £40 mostly goes towards being able to play online, and their apps like Last.fm, and Netflix.

MightyJordan said,

You can play online with people on the Wii, so it's a network

Once again, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. SEN does not "lose connection on and off", it's been perfectly fine for me these past four years. And the free games don't "disappear", they deactivate until you resubscribe. And considering you get to play through several hundreds of pounds worth of games each year, £40 isn't that much, especially when over on the 360, that same £40 mostly goes towards being able to play online, and their apps like Last.fm, and Netflix.

Yes, but you can't in most and isn't regulated like Live and SEN and it operates via the standard internet protocol. It is therefor not a network as Live or PSN is. Hooking a device to the internet and having a device operate over the internet over a personal network are two different things.

It's funny when you were just a blatant fanboy, it's becoming sad when you have
to lie to make a point.
Yes, SEN does lose connections. Maybe for you it "doesn't", for me and many of my friends it does. Even when I log in it gets kicked out after a few minutes most of the time. Don't say it's my router as all other devices work perfectly fine and the PS3 is even in the DMZ because of this behaviour.

You don't "get" sevëral hundreds of pounds of games each year. Most of them are on loan to you. If indeed you unsubscribe they are no longer available to you and only SOME of the games you get to keep and most are simply full game timed trials. In many people's opinion this is called a SCAM!

Clearly you have accepted being tricked by Sony's brainwashing scheme, others that haven't fortunately don't.

Edited by Thief000, Mar 30 2012, 10:15am :

Thief000 said,

No, you'd better start investing in something worthwile, especially in these economic times. Too many of my friends that bought the PlayStation 3 regret having bought it, because:
A) The value for money is low (NOT only because it is overpriced, like all Sony devices), games are always better on PC or 360 and the dozen or so exclusives that have been released since the console came to be are mostly overhyped and don't deliver on their promises.
If you want it for the integrated Blue-Ray buy a better standalone unit. The PS3 compromises on everything it does. Jack of all trades, master of none.
B) They couldn't play their huge collection of PS2 games, because Sony dominated that generation. Same thing happens with the Vita. If they knick BC again, then NONE of my friends will buy PlayStation EVER again. Sony is still in last place this gen, so the incentive to go with them next gen is even smaller.
C) Sony's online is still the worst on offer of all online gaming networks. If they want antipiracy tech that ties to your online account, then why on earth would anyone go with PS.., erm SEN. Almost every week there is a period where it is unavailable and is undergoing "maintenance"
D) The Sony and PlayStation brands have lost tremendous amounts of popularity, not only due to the NOTwork affair last year, but also spreading rootkits with CD's and software and for their overhype and arrogance. Their stock price reflects this tremendously as it is barely holding at 10% of the value it was 10 years ago.


Firstly..the graphics are the SAME. if there was a massive victory to the ps3 or xbox sales numbers would probably show and people would be complaining everyday about how "x is better than y because of its gpu" but REALLY we don't' see that. Secondly I've used both consoles and personally I think both experiences are DIFFERENT. Forget about specs people, just go for OS you love and you will like the system.

webeagle12 said,
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