More rumors of next Xbox surface, Blu-Ray drive included?

There's been lots of talk and speculation on the Internet about what the next Xbox game console will have in terms of hardware. Today, VG247.com reports via unnamed sources that it has learned some new details about what the next Xbox will have inside; it also reports that it will be released sometime in late 2013.

The report claims that the next Xbox will indeed have a Blu-Ray drive inside, contradicting earlier rumors that it would be released without any disc drive at all. It also claims that it will have two GPUs inside that will have the equivalent power of AMD’s Radeon 7000 series. However, the two GPU won't work together in a set-up similar to AMD's CrossFireX or Nvidia's SLI. The article doesn't state if AMD or Nvidia will actually be making the graphics chips for the console.

The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure.

The actual CPU will have “four or six" processor cores, including one dedicated to the next Xbox's operating system and another for the built in Kinect support, according to the article. It also confirms that Microsoft won't be commenting officially about the next Xbox until 2013. Microsoft has already stated it won't be making any announcements about its next Xbox this year.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again (and probably be still proved wrong in the long run) but I really get the feeling that MS is planning to slowly move it's lead platform from the PC to the Xbox. They've pushed the memory requirements down, made a start on relegating the desktop and would have complete control over the hardware - all the while they could still point to the traditional PC to keep the advanced users and manufacturers happy.

The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure.


I hope that it's only for installing games, I don't always have mine connected to the internet.

Both Microsoft and Sony have long histories of being able to afford making huge mistakes. Just like the cable companies met to quietly agree on screwing the public, it wouldn't surprise me if both Sony and MS require online to play. Then again, it might be an opening for Sony if they were smart.

But the real bottom line will be how people respond with their $ to it. If enough just say to hell with it, it will go away. They seem confident enough to try it though, despite the problems with the PC market, it must outweigh what they feel their losing through piracy.

I hope their not basing their numbers from the same nitwits that calculate losses for the RIAA and MPAA.

To be sure the internet will be on while gaming, for instance on vacation or somewhere with no wifi (hard wire internet), I can see Xbox coming out with 3G/LTE versions to combat piracy. Can you? Imagine the teleco companies advertising this now.. ergh!

TheNay said,
To be sure the internet will be on while gaming, for instance on vacation or somewhere with no wifi (hard wire internet), I can see Xbox coming out with 3G/LTE versions to combat piracy. Can you? Imagine the teleco companies advertising this now.. ergh!

Well it wouldn't need much bandwidth just to verify some anti-piracy information with Microsoft's servers, so they could very well add something similar to what you suggest.

Xbox always needs to be connected to the internet... well you know how us PC users hate that crap thats why we crack the games (even if legitimately bought). I know more and more of us are connected nowadays but it does seem like a big fail on MS's part

psionicinversion said,
Xbox always needs to be connected to the internet... well you know how us PC users hate that crap thats why we crack the games (even if legitimately bought). I know more and more of us are connected nowadays but it does seem like a big fail on MS's part

When I had to move home I was left without an internet connection for a few months. I used the xbox to play a lot of games over that time as the majority of my PC games are online, WoW, Urban Terror, MW etc
I was actually socked to find one of the most played games I own on the xbox, beat hazzard, wouldn't play without an internet connection because it is an indie game. I was very disapointed. I've since moved again and I don't even have the xbox connected to the internet here anymore even though I have a 50Mbit connection.
Of course, ALL gold members, will be paying for an online service and they'll try their hardest to make sure their xboxs are connected, but like myself and serveral of my friends and family, we don't subscribe to the xbox gold service and as such we currently don't have a need and insome cases like myself, want to connect it to the internet at the moment.

If I was forced to have the xbox active online to play games, then I'd expect the gold service offerings to be included free.

I'm going to say no optical disc and games available on SDXC or some sort of variant. Much larger built in hard drives too.

webdev511 said,
I'm going to say no optical disc and games available on SDXC or some sort of variant. Much larger built in hard drives too.

Not a chance, the price of a plastic disc compared to SDXC cards makes that a no go, not to mention how much less reliable that would be. Solid state media for consoles died with the N64.

TRC said,

Not a chance, the price of a plastic disc compared to SDXC cards makes that a no go, not to mention how much less reliable that would be. Solid state media for consoles died with the N64.

You're comparing retail prices though. You can bet that IF Microsoft chose some kind of flash memory card type thing to replace the DVDs/BRs that they'd get massive economies of scale. They'd also probably design their own format to avoid any royalty costs to lower the price further, this would also have the added advantage of preventing (or at worst severely limiting) piracy. How exactly do you copy a proprietary Xbox 720-only memory card if you can't buy blanks. It would also give them a great way of eliminating the second-hand problem overnight by tying the memory cards to your console and live ID the first time you play it, forcing second-hand buyers to make some kind of payment to transfer that game to a different console and live ID.

I hope they go back to a combination of solid state and hard drive downloaded games to avoid optical drive noise. Hopefully the fans will be ultra silent too.

Enron said,
I hope they go back to a combination of solid state and hard drive downloaded games to avoid optical drive noise. Hopefully the fans will be ultra silent too.

That is my only complaint when I did use the drive. Too Loud.

UndergroundWire said,

That is my only complaint when I did use the drive. Too Loud.

Yeah, the 360 is a noisy beast... lol Hopefully the next one will be a bit quieter...

A proprietary Read-only SD card could be the way forward. Look at it this way, while prices maybe higher compared to a normal Blu-ray disc. There won't be a need for such a drive, thus dropping costs of the console itself not to mention if Microsoft made a SD card with their own design they could limit piracy. SD cards have good read/access time so technically games could in theory load faster.

Tony. said,
A proprietary Read-only SD card could be the way forward. Look at it this way, while prices maybe higher compared to a normal Blu-ray disc. There won't be a need for such a drive, thus dropping costs of the console itself not to mention if Microsoft made a SD card with their own design they could limit piracy. SD cards have good read/access time so technically games could in theory load faster.

I think it's better for the consumer or console manufacturer to take a one-time hit with the cost of an optical drive simply because flash memory would increase the cost of media substantially, meaning every game would have to cost more instead. Take current consumer prices as an example-- $1 per 25gb BD-R vs $12 per 16gb SD card or $25 per 32gb SD card. The fact that the manufacturing process of a flash device is significantly more complex that that of a typical bluray disc means the prices will never be very close.

Tony. said,
A proprietary Read-only SD card could be the way forward. Look at it this way, while prices maybe higher compared to a normal Blu-ray disc. There won't be a need for such a drive, thus dropping costs of the console itself not to mention if Microsoft made a SD card with their own design they could limit piracy. SD cards have good read/access time so technically games could in theory load faster.

I think at some point in the future we will switch over (or in this case back to) solid state media for storing games compared to optical media. When games keep getting bigger and bigger file size wise we'll need the higher read access speeds SD gives us or we'll be in for some stupidly long load times.

Salutary7 said,

I think it's better for the consumer or console manufacturer to take a one-time hit with the cost of an optical drive simply because flash memory would increase the cost of media substantially, meaning every game would have to cost more instead. Take current consumer prices as an example-- $1 per 25gb BD-R vs $12 per 16gb SD card or $25 per 32gb SD card. The fact that the manufacturing process of a flash device is significantly more complex that that of a typical bluray disc means the prices will never be very close.

64GB SDXC cards are $0.89 per GB TODAY. You can count on that to drop quite a bit in two years. Throw in the fact that you could tie a game to a console or gamer tag by writing that information on to the card (can do that with optical) and there starts to be a case on the publisher side that is pretty compelling. I just hope they don't go 100% proprietary like the chiplets for the PS Vita.

webdev511 said,

64GB SDXC cards are $0.89 per GB TODAY. You can count on that to drop quite a bit in two years. Throw in the fact that you could tie a game to a console or gamer tag by writing that information on to the card (can do that with optical) and there starts to be a case on the publisher side that is pretty compelling. I just hope they don't go 100% proprietary like the chiplets for the PS Vita.

I suppose I need to put the issue further into perspective.
The 360 has sold an impressive 624 million games since release. But, if the cost of media had been just $5 more, that's taking $3.12 billion away from MS, publishers and developers (assuming equal pricing). The value of the entire industry on all platforms is only $65 billion.
Had they instead raised the price of every single game by $5, sales wouldn't have been so high, and they'd still be taking a $5 loss on every piece of bundled software.
The same applies to the next generation. It's already hard enough for some publishers to make a profit with the increasing cost of development. None of them are going accept another built-in cost.

sanke1 said,
No additional proprietary formats please! Blu-ray is enough.

Blu-Ray isn't proprietary, it's a standard. If it were proprietary there'd just be a single manufacturer, ala Sony Memory Stick.

"The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure" - Not going to happen, would loose a lot of customers as many "average" people would not be capable of getting it online, or always able to have it connected.

InsaneNutter said,
"The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure" - Not going to happen, would loose a lot of customers as many "average" people would not be capable of getting it online, or always able to have it connected.

Yeah, I just can't imagine this being accurate.

"The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure."..... yeah sure... these allways connected devices are getting annoying, what if the internet goes out and you want to play a game to kill time?.... I could see phoneing home once and a while, but always connected is bs

neufuse said,
"The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure."..... yeah sure... these allways connected devices are getting annoying, what if the internet goes out and you want to play a game to kill time?.... I could see phoneing home once and a while, but always connected is bs

I agree. No reason that it can't check all unchecked games and just not let you play it further if it fails the check...

If it does have all those CPUs/GPUs, wonder if it would make for a good distributed computing device, after someone hacks the heck out of it.

eilegz said,
early april fool? always online its just ridiculous...

Early april fool? You do realise it's the 2nd of April today, right?

I doubt this will be the case, as it moves away from MS move toward Online and Cloud. And will just solidfy BlueRay even more. And cut into their Zune Movies ( HD Stream )

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
I doubt this will be the case, as it moves away from MS move toward Online and Cloud. And will just solidfy BlueRay even more. And cut into their Zune Movies ( HD Stream )

Yet it does move towards Microsoft's desire to make this an entertainment hub in the living room. How can it be an entertainment hub without supporting the current movie format?

M_Lyons10 said,

Yet it does move towards Microsoft's desire to make this an entertainment hub in the living room. How can it be an entertainment hub without supporting the current movie format?

True. It would be a good thing to have BR, to at least bring the games back to a single Disk format instead of Multiple Disks at least. Im not saying BR on Xbox would be a bad thing

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,

True. It would be a good thing to have BR, to at least bring the games back to a single Disk format instead of Multiple Disks at least. Im not saying BR on Xbox would be a bad thing

I think at this point it makes logical sense. This was really the only place Microsoft really fell on their face last generation, so rectifying that I'm sure is at the top of their list (Or at least it should be). lol

So, I'm really hoping for Bluray.

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
I doubt this will be the case, as it moves away from MS move toward Online and Cloud. And will just solidfy BlueRay even more. And cut into their Zune Movies ( HD Stream )

Blu-ray + Video Streaming + HD gaming means a system that can do all. It beats Sony with Video Streaming and it beats Apple with Blu-ray and HD gaming. Microsoft is on it's way to own the living room (albeit it is loosing the mobile market).

Hell-In-A-Handbasket said,
I doubt this will be the case, as it moves away from MS move toward Online and Cloud. And will just solidfy BlueRay even more. And cut into their Zune Movies ( HD Stream )

I think, using some nifty little FS tweaks to the disc and so on, that the next Xbox can have a BD drive but NOT support BD movies if they wanted to. Nothing says the BD games will use the same format as BD movies do. It wouldn't surprise me if MS used a blue laser drive but didn't support reading BD movies. Hell, if they don't market it as playing BD movies no one would even notice or care what the actual drive tech is in use.

GP007 said,

I think, using some nifty little FS tweaks to the disc and so on, that the next Xbox can have a BD drive but NOT support BD movies if they wanted to. Nothing says the BD games will use the same format as BD movies do. It wouldn't surprise me if MS used a blue laser drive but didn't support reading BD movies. Hell, if they don't market it as playing BD movies no one would even notice or care what the actual drive tech is in use.

Yeah, they could certainly do this, but I think ultimately Microsoft wants to own the living room, and in order to do that they're going to have to support the current movie disc format. Microsoft has the chance of doing it too, given the versatility of the console.

sviola said,

Blu-ray + Video Streaming + HD gaming means a system that can do all. It beats Sony with Video Streaming and it beats Apple with Blu-ray and HD gaming. Microsoft is on it's way to own the living room (albeit it is loosing the mobile market).

How can it lose something it never had? That said though, you're probably being a little premature there. It's still VERY early days, they're still on the first version (with a .5 update on top) of the Windows Phone platform. Think first gen iPhone, and the iPhone didn't have a well established stable of other smartphones to compete with at the time. Given the competition, I think it's actually doing reasonably well now that Nokia has entered the game. Besides, most agree (once they've actually used one) that the Windows Phone is fast & fluid (sorry ), easy to use and is very powerful at what it does. I got the opportunity to use one a month or two ago and I was very impressed. I'll be dumping android when my renewal date comes around.

TCLN Ryster said,

How can it lose something it never had? That said though, you're probably being a little premature there. It's still VERY early days, they're still on the first version (with a .5 update on top) of the Windows Phone platform. Think first gen iPhone, and the iPhone didn't have a well established stable of other smartphones to compete with at the time. Given the competition, I think it's actually doing reasonably well now that Nokia has entered the game. Besides, most agree (once they've actually used one) that the Windows Phone is fast & fluid (sorry ), easy to use and is very powerful at what it does. I got the opportunity to use one a month or two ago and I was very impressed. I'll be dumping android when my renewal date comes around.

+1

And welcome to the Windows Phone community in advance.

M_Lyons10 said,
Good. I certainly hope this is true. Bluray is a must in the next console IMO.

IMO, I can care less if there was no Blu-ray. I never used the Xbox to watch movies on disc. I didn't want that much wear and tear on the device. But that's just me.

UndergroundWire said,

IMO, I can care less if there was no Blu-ray. I never used the Xbox to watch movies on disc. I didn't want that much wear and tear on the device. But that's just me.

A lot of people want one device in their entertainment center. I can understand what you mean, but it's kind of gotten to the point where people look at it as not making sense to have a device that plays games and DVD's and a bluray player for their movies... It's actually one of the PS3's few selling points IMO.

And while you can always choose not to use it, I think it would sell more customers on the console than anything else.

M_Lyons10 said,

A lot of people want one device in their entertainment center. I can understand what you mean, but it's kind of gotten to the point where people look at it as not making sense to have a device that plays games and DVD's and a bluray player for their movies... It's actually one of the PS3's few selling points IMO.

And while you can always choose not to use it, I think it would sell more customers on the console than anything else.

I agree. Better to have it just to use as a selling point. I'm just saying I wouldn't be disappointed. The current Xbox on it's own has a lot of selling points. After I get through with the selling points, I always add "and you can play video games".

Did you see how the Xbox was being pimped on "Game of Thrones" last night? Microsoft keeps getting more and more partners on this thing.

UndergroundWire said,

IMO, I can care less if there was no Blu-ray. I never used the Xbox to watch movies on disc. I didn't want that much wear and tear on the device. But that's just me.

Well I'm sure the other big benefit would be much much more capacity for the game files. I don't think 8GB DVDs will cut it for much longer.

UndergroundWire said,

I agree. Better to have it just to use as a selling point. I'm just saying I wouldn't be disappointed. The current Xbox on it's own has a lot of selling points. After I get through with the selling points, I always add "and you can play video games".

Did you see how the Xbox was being pimped on "Game of Thrones" last night? Microsoft keeps getting more and more partners on this thing.

No, I actually didn't see that. I don't watch the show. I'm glad to see Microsoft getting more support behind the console. It pops up in the weirdest places anymore too (Which is always a sign of a successful product). There was a time they used Playstations on tv shows.

And you're absolutely right, it has a TON of selling points at this point. In fact, it's essentially an entertainment center device now. You can do so much with it. Really the only thing you can't do is Bluray, which is another reason I think this is probably inevitable. I mean, you can even browse Facebook and Twitter. LOL

I say this a lot, but I've owned a lot of consoles (Including a PS3 for a short spurt there), and the 360 is my favorite console ever. It's very well designed and extendable. If Microsoft keeps this up with it's successor (And fixes some of these faults) it's going to be an absolutely amazing console. And the potential to have one single unit under my TV would be huge. lol

Astra.Xtreme said,

Well I'm sure the other big benefit would be much much more capacity for the game files. I don't think 8GB DVDs will cut it for much longer.


I hear what you are saying but Microsoft can just as easily come out with some proprietary disc.

UndergroundWire said,
I hear what you are saying but Microsoft can just as easily come out with some proprietary disc.

No they can't - it's not 'simple' to create a proprietary disc format. You have to have support from game developers, disc manufacturers and a lot of investment in technical development.

Not using Blu-Ray would need some seriously good reasoning, more than 'Sony used it'. Especially if the Xbox is still intended as a media hub, not just a gaming machine.

Kirkburn said,

No they can't - it's not 'simple' to create a proprietary disc format. You have to have support from game developers, disc manufacturers and a lot of investment in technical development.

Not using Blu-Ray would need some seriously good reasoning, more than 'Sony used it'. Especially if the Xbox is still intended as a media hub, not just a gaming machine.

Yeah, plus when you look at past history, it would kind of go against everything Microsoft generally believes in... Bluray would be easy for them. They already have the drivers in Windows... A proprietary disc format that would work in a drive that would also support CD's, DVD's, and more than likely Bluray would be a main in the butt and prone to problems. Not to mention costly with no real benefit. It's not like they have to do much of anything special to make sure that their games can't play on the other consoles... Nintendo is even stepping away from this practice. And the limited space of DVD (As mentioned by someone else on here) will absolutely be a factor as well.

Though they could release a proprietary format, there's really no benefit to doing so, so I agree that that would be highly unlikely.

Kirkburn said,

No they can't - it's not 'simple' to create a proprietary disc format. You have to have support from game developers, disc manufacturers and a lot of investment in technical development.

Not using Blu-Ray would need some seriously good reasoning, more than 'Sony used it'. Especially if the Xbox is still intended as a media hub, not just a gaming machine.


Then they can go with both theories out there. A DVD with Internet Download. I'm not saying that they should, all I was saying is that if they didn't support blu-ray I wouldn't be affected and would still buy it. I use it primary for watching streaming content. that disc drive is hardly ever opened. I guess that is why I still have my original Xbox 360 (bought day of release) in good working condition. No Red Ring of Death (RRoD).

UndergroundWire said,

Then they can go with both theories out there. A DVD with Internet Download. I'm not saying that they should, all I was saying is that if they didn't support blu-ray I wouldn't be affected and would still buy it. I use it primary for watching streaming content. that disc drive is hardly ever opened. I guess that is why I still have my original Xbox 360 (bought day of release) in good working condition. No Red Ring of Death (RRoD).

That's another thing I hope they fix in the next console. No RRoD's... LOL

I see what you're saying. I have a friend that streams all of their movies through NetFlix. This would be a possibility, and I would consider it, but I think particularly outside of the cities, you're going to have problems streaming movies.

I really can't wait to see what they have in store.

UndergroundWire said,

IMO, I can care less if there was no Blu-ray. I never used the Xbox to watch movies on disc. I didn't want that much wear and tear on the device. But that's just me.

You can care less? So you care at least a little bit if blu-ray is missing then?

UndergroundWire said,
that disc drive is hardly ever opened. I guess that is why I still have my original Xbox 360 (bought day of release) in good working condition. No Red Ring of Death (RRoD).

What has the disc drive got to do with the RRoD?

M_Lyons10 said,

That's another thing I hope they fix in the next console. No RRoD's... LOL

I see what you're saying. I have a friend that streams all of their movies through NetFlix. This would be a possibility, and I would consider it, but I think particularly outside of the cities, you're going to have problems streaming movies.

I really can't wait to see what they have in store.

I forgot all about that. You're 100% right about the streaming thing. I think in terms of US where I should be considering the rest of the world.

TCLN Ryster said,

You can care less? So you care at least a little bit if blu-ray is missing then?


Sure just a little bit but it's not a deal breaker.

Kirkburn said,

What has the disc drive got to do with the RRoD?


Years ago before you can copy the game to your hard drive, you had to play the game strictly through the disc. A video game can be played for hours and hours. A movie however is limited to around 2 hours for the average movie watcher. The console wouldn't have a chance to overheat. You see people can play games for a really long time and the console starts overheating. A movie never caused it because it is not being abused.

As I stated before I am not a gamer which is why I never had the RRoD. My primary use when I first bought it was to stream movies "acquired" that reside on my PC.

Edited by UndergroundWire, Apr 3 2012, 12:46am :

UndergroundWire said,

I hear what you are saying but Microsoft can just as easily come out with some proprietary disc.

I agree, they could and it would probably be the best way to eliminate piracy. But that would entail a lot of R&D and new fabrication facilities, so it would probably cut down profits quite a bit. I think with Blu-ray that will just have to pay the royalty to Sony, and then they're all set.

Astra.Xtreme said,

I agree, they could and it would probably be the best way to eliminate piracy. But that would entail a lot of R&D and new fabrication facilities, so it would probably cut down profits quite a bit. I think with Blu-ray that will just have to pay the royalty to Sony, and then they're all set.

Absolutely. And Bluray already has (From what I understand) pretty adequate antipiracy features. So a lot of the work has already been done for them AND they now have a device that they can market as playing Bluray's... It's really a win win for Microsoft. I can't see a rationale that would lead them not to support Bluray this next generation honestly.

TRC said,
Why wouldn't it have a Blu-Ray drive? It would be incredibly stupid not to.

Exactly. Bluray won. Microsoft has supported that on every other platform, they would be stupid not to do so here.

M_Lyons10 said,

Exactly. Bluray won. Microsoft has supported that on every other platform, they would be stupid not to do so here.

Every other platform? You say that like there's more than one other Microsoft platform? Windows and .... ?

Edited by Ryster, Apr 2 2012, 9:50pm :

TCLN Ryster said,

Every other platform? You say that like there's more than one other Microsoft platform? Windows and .... ?

That was my intent. It doesn't matter to them what the current media is, they'll support it just as they have with Windows. It's not like they have to start from scratch as if they aren't in the space.

What I am trying to say is that the XBox IS their media platform. Windows isn't really (I know they have Windows Media Center, but the adoption can't really touch XBox, nor has it gotten them into many living rooms). And yet they worked Bluray support into Windows. If they did that, I'm willing to bet that they would work support for Bluray into their CHIEF media device.

[quote=The next Xbox will also require that always be connecting to the Internet for an anti-piracy measure.[/quote]>
So I don't have the internet (only on my iPhone which does not tether), does that mean I can no longer use an xbox? I would be amazed if that was the case....

harveyhanson said,
>
So I don't have the internet (only on my iPhone which does not tether), does that mean I can no longer use an xbox? I would be amazed if that was the case....

You can use an Xbox, just not the new one. It sounds crazy, but I don't think MS cares about the great unconnected. Their biggest push is online, it always has been.

Kushan said,

You can use an Xbox, just not the new one. It sounds crazy, but I don't think MS cares about the great unconnected. Their biggest push is online, it always has been.

Do you really think that this rumour is true??? It would be financial suicide to release such a device.

ahhell said,

Do you really think that this rumour is true??? It would be financial suicide to release such a device.

Agreed. I don't think they would ever do this.
But... if it turns out they partnered with EA for some reason, then I'd believe it. Lulz.

harveyhanson said,
>
So I don't have the internet (only on my iPhone which does not tether), does that mean I can no longer use an xbox? I would be amazed if that was the case....

They wouldn't do this... or at least from what I would think. Not everyone has an online connection all times. I could see them connecting the game to your profile or xbox itself, then allowing that game license to be moved to another profile or something.

Mando said,
<yawn> all heresay and unfoudned, wake me up when MS actually post specs.

Yeah, it sure would be nice to see this shown off by Microsoft... lol I can't wait for that reveal!

M_Lyons10 said,

Yeah, it sure would be nice to see this shown off by Microsoft... lol I can't wait for that reveal!

Damn Microsoft said it won't be revealed at E3 Expo. That would be nice if they gave us a date on when they would reveal it.

UndergroundWire said,

Damn Microsoft said it won't be revealed at E3 Expo. That would be nice if they gave us a date on when they would reveal it.

Agreed.

"FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE DOLLARS!"

Specs look great though, but if the specs that the guy on Pastebin leaked last december appear to be true (which they appear to be more and more as this is also one of his that suddenly now pops up), then PlayStation is f*cked next gen as its specs are only about half as powerful as the next Xbox and include no backwards compatibility.

Edited by Thief000, Apr 2 2012, 3:59pm :

Thief000 said,
"FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY-NINE DOLLARS!"

Specs look great though, but if the specs that the guy on Pastebin leaked last december appear to be true (which they appear to be more and more as this is also one of his that suddenly now pops up), then PlayStation is f*cked next gen as its specs are only about half as powerful as the next Xbox and include no backwards compatibility.

Can we have a link to that Pastebin? I never saw it, sounds interesting.

Thief000 said,

There you go: http://pastebin.com/j4jVaUv0
With PS4 trying to beat the next Xbox to release I believe those specs will be true as well.

That's pretty interesting. If true, then Sony, realizing their system may be relatively crappy, would probably change some of their specs.

Salutary7 said,

That's pretty interesting. If true, then Sony, realizing their system may be relatively crappy, would probably change some of their specs.

Or not, like the poster on Pastebin is indicating. Sony are doing everything in trying to beat Microsoft and release their console first, hoping they can gain market share. But by changing to an easier to program for architecture with no backwards compatibility and substantially inferior specs they are shooting themselves in the foot. Devs are crying for power next generation and with such a difference they might ignore PlayStation altogether (as the Pastebin poster is indicating).

Thief000 said,

Or not, like the poster on Pastebin is indicating. Sony are doing everything in trying to beat Microsoft and release their console first, hoping they can gain market share. But by changing to an easier to program for architecture with no backwards compatibility and substantially inferior specs they are shooting themselves in the foot. Devs are crying for power next generation and with such a difference they might ignore PlayStation altogether (as the Pastebin poster is indicating).

And these supposed specs were released nearly 2 years before the scheduled launch. Given feedback, I believe that would be enough time for them to realize where they're pointing the gun before firing it. And maybe even aim for just the pinky toe.

Salutary7 said,

And these supposed specs were released nearly 2 years before the scheduled launch. Given feedback, I believe that would be enough time for them to realize where they're pointing the gun before firing it. And maybe even aim for just the pinky toe.

Giving Microsoft the chance to go even higher as well.
Considering Sony is financially in a much worse state than MS, I don't think Sony would be foolish enough to jeopardise even more capital in such a futile attempt but we'll see eventually.

I'm waiting for the day when no disc drive will be included. For many different reasons, we are not quite there yet, but that will be the biggest step for console gaming to come around in a long time!

este said,
I'm waiting for the day when no disc drive will be included. For many different reasons, we are not quite there yet, but that will be the biggest step for console gaming to come around in a long time!

I don't really see that as much of an advancement. And it certainly won't help whoever does that first (At this juncture)...

For starters, Bluray is currently very popular and will be for quite some time (Meaning the next XBox had better support Bluray). Not doing so while the competition does will be a bigger deal next generation than it was this current generation.

Second, they rely on game stores to push their consoles. If they do not allow these companies to sell used games, they'll likely feel a bit less inclined to push the console over let's say one that does allow them this revenue stream... Welcome to the back of the store. This might not sound like that big a deal, but I assure you, it would be for new user adoption.

So, disc drives really shouldn't be going anywhere anytime soon.

este said,
I'm waiting for the day when no disc drive will be included. For many different reasons, we are not quite there yet, but that will be the biggest step for console gaming to come around in a long time!

Also, requiring someone to download 10+GB games is rather silly when the average Internet connection in the US is 4Mbps. It would take 5 hours to download a game and that would max out your connection. Not really a great experience.

dagamer34 said,

Also, requiring someone to download 10+GB games is rather silly when the average Internet connection in the US is 4Mbps. It would take 5 hours to download a game and that would max out your connection. Not really a great experience.

My Internet connection is 35/35 and I still don't want to download 10+GB.

este said,
I'm waiting for the day when no disc drive will be included. For many different reasons, we are not quite there yet, but that will be the biggest step for console gaming to come around in a long time!

A disk-drive why not? does it affect you in any way shape or form. Does it come out of its Xbox and attack you? Leave the disk drive alone, it might even play blu-rays now!!

xXgreatestever said,

A disk-drive why not? does it affect you in any way shape or form. Does it come out of its Xbox and attack you? Leave the disk drive alone, it might even play blu-rays now!!

Yea I know, at this point the public is not quite ready for it. Who knows, maybe the disk drive will always be included in consoles in some way, shape or form.

dagamer34 said,

Also, requiring someone to download 10+GB games is rather silly when the average Internet connection in the US is 4Mbps. It would take 5 hours to download a game and that would max out your connection. Not really a great experience.

Nothing says you have to download the whole 10GB+ to start playing though. I honestly think it'd be easily doable to start playing once you have at least the first level down if not the first 2 while the rest of the game downloads in the background.

GP007 said,

Nothing says you have to download the whole 10GB+ to start playing though. I honestly think it'd be easily doable to start playing once you have at least the first level down if not the first 2 while the rest of the game downloads in the background.

It's good in theory, but has this ever been done before?

UndergroundWire said,

It's good in theory, but has this ever been done before?


World of Warcraft works like that.
Now, realistically, does every company have the resources that Blizzard has to make a game work in this fashion? It's not like they even developed it overnight, it wasn't until Cataclysm that they got their downloader to work like that (or close before Cata was released, can't recall right now)

gonchuki said,

World of Warcraft works like that.
Now, realistically, does every company have the resources that Blizzard has to make a game work in this fashion? It's not like they even developed it overnight, it wasn't until Cataclysm that they got their downloader to work like that (or close before Cata was released, can't recall right now)

That's the way they should go then. The less moving parts the better IMO. All purchased content is stored on the cloud.

UndergroundWire said,

It's good in theory, but has this ever been done before?

Isn't this exactly how OnLive service works?

xendrome said,

Isn't this exactly how OnLive service works?

Not exactly, online provides the cloud based storage and processing for the game.
Essentially, they host a bunch of pc's to play the game and you're sort of remoting into them. This would completely remove the need for any advanced hardware, allowing a simple box like the one provided by online to be the only necessity.

gonchuki said,

World of Warcraft works like that.
Now, realistically, does every company have the resources that Blizzard has to make a game work in this fashion? It's not like they even developed it overnight, it wasn't until Cataclysm that they got their downloader to work like that (or close before Cata was released, can't recall right now)

Could you go more in depth of that? I was a hardcore WoW player, though I've always used physical media. Only once I used the downloader because I couldn't find my backup folder (with WoW installed) when I moved.

So are you saying, when Cata was released. Gamers could start enjoying it and would download it on the fly?