More Windows 7 SP1 details emerge

It's no secret that Microsoft has been hard at work to further improve Windows 7. According to many sources, the first service pack for Redmond's new OS is just around the corner. Today, all across the blogosphere, sites are reporting new details about the upcoming update to Microsoft's most user friendly OS to date. ITChuiko says that "according to sources at Microsoft, a preliminary version of SP1 will be in June 2010 and will be accessible only to testers, whereas the final version is expected by September 2010."

ZDNet is reporting that, as standard with all service packs, SP1 will include all the patches and bug fixes that have been released since Windows 7's October debut. In addition, users can expect tweaks and fixes made under the hood, based on user feedback. The only "big" changes that will come with SP1 are USB 3.0 support, and according to InfoWorld, "enhancements to the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stacks." This is said to continue making Windows 7 "the most easily configured version [of an OS] ever." ITChuiko also suggests that there may be "some entirely new features that should raise the popularity of this operating system in the business sector."

ZDNet questions Microsoft's reasons for pushing SP1 so quickly. According to many analysts, it seems like the trend of businesses is to wait and see what happens after a new OS is introduced, before deploying it. Because of this, it's possible that Microsoft is aiming to get SP1 out the door as soon as possible. They want to send a message to businesses that, "hey, we're continuously supporting Windows 7, it's stable, and it's ready for the corporate world."

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Quote..."Microsoft's most user friendly OS to date"
Quote... "This is said to continue making Windows 7 'the most easily configured version [of an OS] ever.' "
Quote... "as standard with all service packs, SP1 will include all the patches and bug fixes since release"
Quote... "big" changes are USB 3.0 support, and enhancements to the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stacks."

Give me a break! The most user friendly O/S?

USB 3.0 support enhancements to Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stacks - can't wait! Microsoft ROCKS!

boho said,
Give me a break! The most user friendly O/S?

Yeah - actually I agree - i think it is. Please elighten us to what's the better alternative.

Nearly everything in Windows 7 takes extra mouse licks (compared with XP for instance) Loads of unnecessary screens, silly links and description everywhere, things hidden away. A total noddy would not understand how to configure Win7, a more intelligent user baffled by the over complexity.

Windows 7 can be a nightmare to configure. Microsoft need to look at Windows 2003 for the cleanest, most straight forward O/S, which only required basic explanation for configuration. Just look at the number of pages in Win7 technical books.

But as long as you are happy, why do you care about my opinion?

boho said,
Nearly everything in Windows 7 takes extra mouse licks (compared with XP for instance)

I find I can do just about any configuring of my Win7 machines in just one or two mouse licks. Sometimes, the little guy gets a bit carried away, but you can't blame him. Win7 is just so yummy.

First of all to all the Windows 7 haters, I say you guys seriously need to get a life like big-time. Windows 7 is one of the best operating system ever made, it's modern, it's fast, and it gets the job done. I don't see what all of you crybabies are complaining out. Seems to me as if you guys just don't want to accept the reality. You guys just keep on trolling

Windows 7 is the best Windows EVER MADE, and one of the best OS's ever. I know lots of people who are not really good with computers, yet the first time, they used 7, they fell in love. I beta tested 7 starting from the PDC 2008 build all the way up to the RTM. I tested 7 in lots of different scenarios. In almost all scenarios, 7 was a BEAST. No matter, what I tried to do, it would simply keep on working flawlessly. Windows 7 simply works, end of story

As for the SP1, I'm sure it will only polish the diamond that is Windows 7 more. Yet I am eagerly anticipating Windows 8

Master1, please tell us...
How old are you?
With what are you comparing Windows 7
What exactly does Window7 do faster on given hardware.

Windows7 is just an O/S with a few utilities. It does little more than Windows 3.11 did 15 years ago.

ya like mac os looks the same does absolutely nothing though the mac fans go into a kiniption bowel movement whenever there is an update like if it is magically gonna change their life...for the better...

I am a programmer, network admin and more and I still use it less than you seem to need it.

Hehe... Well, that's partially because the CMD is so useless. Very basic. Trust me, if it would have the Linux commands you'd use it a lot more.

You can go to internet options in IE and turn this off in the tab settings.

Thanks! I'll do that, if I switch to Windows 7.

And well, make Linux for the masses and we'll talk about it again, why do people keep comparing these two OS?!

We're geeks. I do, to have people realize some nonsense in Win7 that the Open Source community have a solution to but MS for instance ignores/don't know about.

I want it to be easy to work on every platform, to have all programs to do the same with the same feature. A collaboration. That's why open source is so good, so people can look at other works and help them develop it. Make it even better. Personally, I believe that we're at a new trend, like before (MacVsPC). But now it's LinuxVsWindows. A good operating system should blend in, and you are not supposed to feel that you're using it.

Yeah, so OSX/*nix seems to need some tweaks to handle it for write access usually but that does not make it a flawed system. This is something a basic computer user (and most admins) do not care about. It gets the job done well.
I am not talking about Mac. Well, most admins are bad too - running Windows. A modern filesystem shouldn't even have to be de-fragmented - and format pretty quick. I format-ed a 1TB drive in XP, took like an hour far too long... when in Linux it was done in like 5 minutes.

Either way the errors 99% of the time show up if you know where to look (hint start in the control panel).

Where is the "this program has stopped working" page? Or the "this program has encountered a program and needs to close" or these codes: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms...28VS.85%29.aspx

It's especially annoying when you have to write like: "system error: 0x0000000x0000001" on google.

Not sure how a small number of updates is a bad thing...

If you don't realize this then you shouldn't really be here...
Seriously.

Your complaining that there's less updates?! Um, I thought it was the other way around where people want less updates less often..?
Maybe it's the vast number of apps bundled with Linux that causes so many updates. Maybe they just aren't as secure and require more frequent patching? Or - and more likely - your comparing Microsoft's Windows Update (which updates Windows, Office and other developer tools and server components) with a generic repository updater that is vendor agnostic? Hardly a fair comparision is it? Plus I'm happy to save myself a few hundred megabytes of downloads every month...!

The ability to keep your computer updated is a crucial one. Just because it's Windows update doesn't mean Microsoft can't include third-party patches, maybe as an option. When you update, you update. Nothing else. Like, for instance, a service pack. What is stopping Microsoft from fixing other XP issues, just search around and you'll see that "Microsoft knew of this bug for 10 years and now they fix it.

And they're not forcing you to update (Well, microsoft is... kind of) but if you want to update, to keep your applications both stable, security and reliable you do not have a choice. Some Vista users are still getting the BSOD! Why isn't Microsoft doing anything about it.

And they're partners with HP, Dell and a lot more other companies and they still don't even link you the update from Windows update. Even though, it might be a HP-related WIndows issue.

They don't even offer a vendor repository.

Yeah - USB 3.0 was finished for implementers to have in the middle of November. USB 3.0 HBA's, chipsets and devices aren't expected until Q3 2010. Production of chipsets aren't planned until Q2 - so if Windows 7 supports it in September then where's the problem? It's still Q3 which is when devices are starting to come out...

You'll get the same issue as you got in Windows Vista. if anyone releases the device now your computer wouldn't handle it - and you should have the ability to beta-test as developers for the production company (of USB drives), but that's impossible without a driver! You could make your own, but it would be useless since Microsoft would make THEIR own with bugs so your driver fixes doesn't work.

Hold off Win7 - that's no problem. Though if your holding out for "Linux's advance" you maybe waiting a while if the past 20 years is anything to go by.

You don't buy Linux. It's free. Open source.

And haven't you seen the market share trends?
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/912..._for_first_time
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/914...e_slide_resumes

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/09/...-windows-98.ars
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9910263-16.html

Linux is increasing dramatically in other areas - mobiles, devices, TVs, home entertainment systems, supercomputers. It's only a matter of time before they take the desktop market too.

as the features you request have been in WindowsNT since it was created.

Oh...? So, tell me - how do I copy the text in an error message?

leave NTFS out of your argument, or you will conitinue to look extremely foolish.
"NTFS is THE MOST advanced FS technology in the world"

...

No.

Tpiom said,
Linux is increasing dramatically in other areas - mobiles, devices, TVs, home entertainment systems, supercomputers. It's only a matter of time before they take the desktop market too.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Oh, and I've deduced that from that other dribble you spouted, you're not a programmer, just a troll.

Since i think all your arguments are crap, i'll just point out that;

You really don't read what others write, you just assume that their arguing with you; example;

Post:
Hold off Win7 - that's no problem. Though if your holding out for "Linux's advance" you maybe waiting a while if the past 20 years is anything to go by.

Your response;
You don't buy Linux. It's free. Open source.

My response; Where do you see anything about buying linux in that sentence?

haha ;)

And you are continuously trying to impose your opinions on everyone as facts. stop that, or you won't live long at @neowin.net .

one more;
Post:

Yeah, so OSX/*nix seems to need some tweaks to handle it for write access usually but that does not make it a flawed system. This is something a basic computer user (and most admins) do not care about. It gets the job done well.

Your response;
I am not talking about Mac. Well, most admins are bad too - running Windows. A modern filesystem shouldn't even have to be de-fragmented - and format pretty quick. I format-ed a 1TB drive in XP, took like an hour far too long... when in Linux it was done in like 5 minutes.

My response;
1. fragmentation happens in ALL Filesystems, and thats due to how the data is written to HDD, not down to the OS. all hardware.
In SSD's, fragmentation is not an issue, because it can access data at the same speed "all over the disk". BUT fragmentation will happen there as well, on whatever filesystem you use on it, but you will never notice it.

2. He writes OSX/*nix, don't you know what he means by (and i mean by, not buy) *nix? you do know that by *nix he meant linux and unix, and also that OSX is UNIX based?

lol

They shouldn't be in such a hurry to get USB 3.0 support in since not going to touched for a long while besides OEMs at CES...

This can only make the best get better!
I don't see why anyone would complain :)

And hey, USB3 support, i'm up for that!

What? SP1 already? It took so long to get to RTM and thought they would have ironed out all the bugs first. Gives more clarity on the age-old adage (oxymoron): "Microsoft Works".

IanDSamson said,
What? SP1 already? It took so long to get to RTM and thought they would have ironed out all the bugs first. Gives more clarity on the age-old adage (oxymoron): "Microsoft Works".

Yes, because all other operating systems receive no patches and are perfect incarnate before they hit retail. Good god what a load of crap!

Actually, after using Windows 7 Beta/RC for about a year, fully functioning, the RTM seemed to me like an SP. In the RTM, the bugs were removed. This feels more like a SP2, considering the massive testing before RTM.

????? Keep taking the pills!

FYI, Windows 7 was just Vista warmed over, so where does that fit in you Beta / RC / RTM /SP1 / Sp2 model?

The only bug I have hit thus far (and an annoying one at that) is when I try to save a downloaded file - e.g. to the desktop - if I hit Save to fast (and I'm pretty fast) I get an error message so I have to save again...

I think Win 7 is just fine, so i look forward to SP1. I'm impressed with the number of updates on my 64-bit machine. Proabably a good sign that opening up the beta testing to 8 million plus users helped stabilize it before RTM.

For potential features that might delight (or may not).

- Bitlocker for all - business would like this.
- GPU enhanced IE 9 <-- I look forward to this. I went from FF back to IE because of the built in InPrivate filtering. (of course you can reg hack to make it start blocking ads automatically).
- They'll probably be some tweaks for WM7 and perhaps some other things we'll hear at MIX this year (w/ IE too)

They want to send a message to businesses that, "hey, we're continuously supporting Windows 7, it's stable, and it's ready for the corporate world."

I think this is the most pertinent comment here, though I winder how many businesses really want Windows 7 (Vista warm-over) at all. Personally I'd be happy to keep Windows 2000 going for longer :-( . Windows 2003 is probably the best O/S Microsoft produced to date.

Previous versions of Windows have been unusable before Sp1, why would this one be different ...?


As always, Microsoft throws out something out of the door and hope people like it.

I have tried Windows 7 - I suppose it's good but not great, and far from perfect. The taskbar just annoys me (for instance when you open IE and open a new tab) and right click on IE on the taskbar it shows that two programs are running! (One for each tab).

Also, that windows update has only the ability to postpone an "restart now" message - not "don't inform me again".

Worst of all, we only get like... 20 updates a month (including the application updates) whereas Linux have like 500.

And they, Microsoft, continue to ignore features in Linux that is absolutely necessary - like being able open the cmd anywhere (without a plugin), multiple-screens, being able to copy the text (in an error message). Etc.
And they're still using NTFS on the HDD. COME ON!

USB 3 was completed ages ago (though, MS was waiting for specifications and decided not to include it in Win7). But the specifications was done in November 09 - and Win7 still don't have support for it.

I might not upgrade my XP machine to Windows 7... I don't know. Maybe I'll hold out for Linux's advance and use it later...

Final comment: Windows 7 is a mess!

Wow... Just wow...!

Let's start shall we:

Yes, the Superbar does show IE tabs individually whilst using Aero Peak. The reason is that many, many people have multiple tabs open. The industry is going down a route where the browser is a platform for running apps... "Web Apps"..? :-) Having facebook, Neowin, TechNet, Google Mail, a couple of web apps I use for admin tasks.... It's a FEATURE that I use a lot and like it - as I'm sure a lot of other power users do too

The update message allows to postpone for 4 hours, or to reboot now. However you can edit this behaviour using Group Policy Editor. (For a Linux user I'd imagine your use to tinkering under the hood)

Your complaining that there's less updates?! Um, I thought it was the other way around where people want less updates less often..?
Maybe it's the vast number of apps bundled with Linux that causes so many updates. Maybe they just aren't as secure and require more frequent patching? Or - and more likely - your comparing Microsoft's Windows Update (which updates Windows, Office and other developer tools and server components) with a generic repository updater that is vendor agnostic? Hardly a fair comparision is it? Plus I'm happy to save myself a few hundred megabytes of downloads every month...!

Windows supports multiple screens, it supports copying the text from an error message (I do it regularly), and seriously... your unhappy you need to press start menu and type cmd..? It's not just a geek's OS - it's for the masses. Most people don't need or want a command line interface. I don't want my users tinkering with it, nor do I want home users playing either... It's reasons like this behind Linux's poor market share on the desktop.
And what's wrong with NTFS? I don't have figures to back this up, but i'd bet money on it that it's the most popular format for enterprise file servers world wide.

Yeah - USB 3.0 was finished for implementers to have in the middle of November. USB 3.0 HBA's, chipsets and devices aren't expected until Q3 2010. Production of chipsets aren't planned until Q2 - so if Windows 7 supports it in September then where's the problem? It's still Q3 which is when devices are starting to come out...

Hold off Win7 - that's no problem. Though if your holding out for "Linux's advance" you maybe waiting a while if the past 20 years is anything to go by.

Windows 7 is rock solid, fast, seems very secure and by far miles ahead of XP, Ubuntu and at least on par with OSX - if not even better than that.

Although don't take my word for it. Google reviews for it. Or just look at the comments above...

Why do so many people feel if THEY did not get what they WANT (as in power users, not common users) that the OS is a "mess?"

I am only going to touch some of the geekier points here:
* Command line access anywhere: How many desk jockeys even KNOW what the command line is, much less use it. In a corporate world (and even is most families) only the computer admin needs cmd access. If you are a normal computer user and need it more than once a month (as in not a programmer, network admin etc) then you are doing some crazy stuff. I am a programmer, network admin and more and I still use it less than you seem to need it.

*NTFS on a hard drive... Well ok, I know a lot of people go around yelling we need a new file system but right now as far as I can tell NTFS seems to work quite well. Yeah, so OSX/*nix seems to need some tweaks to handle it for write access usually but that does not make it a flawed system. This is something a basic computer user (and most admins) do not care about. It gets the job done well.

*Copy text on an error message: Well, if you were as geeky as you sounded in your post, you would know you can download tools online that let you pull text from anything you point your mouse at, so that isnt too bad. Either way the errors 99% of the time show up if you know where to look (hint start in the control panel).

*Less updates: Well, OK Linux itself combines a LOT of open source tools into one roll up you see as your "os." This means you have come pulled from thousands of developers and pooled into your distributions repo. Because of this you have a LOT more updates. Now, Microsoft is ONE company with ONE update repository. If they pooled updates for every AntiVirus and every Adobe product and every other "tool" you use in windows the updates would be higher. Linux just works different in that when you install windows, you get ONE companies code going on your computer for the first install. Linux (pick any distro) is putting thousands of companies and developers code on your hard drive from moment one.

In other words, if you look at it from the point of an open mind and understand how the systems are built and designed you would understand 95% of what you hate.

All programmers should know one thing before you try to sell your products: Design for the average person, if you get geekier with your code out of the box you will only have a market of power users and they are usually the ones looking for free/open source.

Tpiom said,
The taskbar just annoys me (for instance when you open IE and open a new tab) and right click on IE on the taskbar it shows that two programs are running! (One for each tab).

You can go to internet options in IE and turn this off in the tab settings.

Worst of all, we only get like... 20 updates a month (including the application updates) whereas Linux have like 500.

Not sure how a small number of updates is a bad thing...

I've been running Windows 7 64-bit on all my machines (home-built Athlon X2 3800+ OCed to 2.6GHZ w/4GB RAM, HP 8710w Centrino Duo w/4GB RAM, and a 17" MBP Core 2 2.8GHz w/8GB RAM) for months, and not had any issues. It's fast, sleek, smooth, sleep and hibernate work well. No complaints here.

For you maybe. I'm extremely happy with its flawless behaviour.
And well, make Linux for the masses and we'll talk about it again, why do people keep comparing these two OS?!

Tpiom said,
And they, Microsoft, continue to ignore features in Linux that is absolutely necessary - like being able open the cmd anywhere (without a plugin), multiple-screens, being able to copy the text (in an error message). Etc.
And they're still using NTFS on the HDD. COME ON!

This is where anyone with any technical understanding looks at your post and goes, this person doesn't have a clue about what they are talking about.

NTFS? Really hate it uh?

NTFS is THE MOST advanced FS technology in the world, and a holy grail for the *nix community to GET TO EVENTUALLY in features, stability and performance. ZFS was a DIRECT response to mimic the native features of NTFS that have been around in the Windows NT world for over 15 years. Go look up FS technology, notice that there are NO native FS technologies in Linux that get even close to NTFS in features.

So maybe when the *nix world or Apple or ANYONE catches up to NTFS, Microsoft may consider another FS technology.

NTFS is one of the few things you really can't find a OS engineer to bash or complain about, no matter how much they hate Windows or Microsoft. So next time you create a mythic list of things 'you think' Microsoft has messed up or is avoiding, leave NTFS out of your argument, or you will conitinue to look extremely foolish.

PS

The CMD argument is also not only incorrect, as the features you request have been in WindowsNT since it was created.

Additionally, the advanced CLI in Windows7 is PowerShell which is the ONLY and FIRST CLI in history to use objects instead of pipes and textual arguments. It is the most advanced CLI in history and works directly with NT which is an Object based OS unlike *nix. This is why PowerShell can pull the properties from any item or 'object' and manipulate it directly instead of going back to generic textual piping concepts.

Again, the CLI in Windows7 is something you don't want to pick on until *nix catches up.

Tpiom said,
being able to copy the text (in an error message)

Your whole post is uninformed but I just thought I should point out that, since at least Windows 95, you can press CTRL+C when an error message is on the screen and it copies the whole content to the clipboard.

ThomMcK said,
Your whole post is uninformed but I just thought I should point out that, since at least Windows 95, you can press CTRL+C when an error message is on the screen and it copies the whole content to the clipboard.

Not to mention the new built in error reporting stuff in Win7 or the fact you can use the snipping tool too. But yeah, he hasn't a clue what he's talking about sadly.

Is this really necessary so soon? People should be doing the Windows Updates as they roll out anyway, especially with a new OS. I would say wait until some -critical- updates need to get rolled out...

As mentioned in the article, many businesses have shown a trend to hold off on major Windows OS upgrates to their clients until SP1 hits. I think MS is well aware of this, and with that as well as USB 3.0, they are pushing this a bit quicker than normal.

Ill say the only serious problem I have is that sound tends to disappear at times after resuming from sleep. This did not happen under vista. I also have a problem with windows home server not able to wake it up for backing up... seems a hit and miss whether the laptop will wake up or not despite proper configuration.

THose are pretty benign problems though (the sound bit is annoying, but at least we are not talking blue screens or anything).

The one thing I hope they fix is it can be confusing to know WHERE a file is. When my wife (not a techy at all) wants to copy a file to the home server, she can't tell if the file is in her my documents or the "library at large" (which includes home server files).

The library concept is nice for pure end using, but frustrating for file management.

I want them to fix the taskbar's "preview" (active thumbnails)

In vista I'd be full screen on one program and be typing away or doing something... and I would hover my mouse to see the progress of my game (while i am afk at the game and typing on msn) or even watch youtube "sized down" while I multitask on other things. I do crazy things I know.... but that's just me.

However in windows 7, if I hover my mouse over to see the preview and "type" the preview disappears.... is that a feature or a bug? I really really really liked to be able to do that

Most responsive OS I've used and glad to hear it'll support 3.0 though I'm unsure how that'll benefit me on my laptop :P

USB 3.0 is probably the main reason behind the timing.

Maybe this Christmas I'll be upgrading my desktop to something with USB 3.0 :D.

Gotta put in a +1 for Win7 zippiness and stability. Granted, I don't run low end crap, but I just can't seem to slow Win7 down. I throw up multiple Excel sheets, video editing, always have Outlook going and a system tray full of stuff. If your compy is slowing down with Win7, it probably want's RAM. Feed it.

I was thinking the same thing, but I assumed that comment was relating to the beta. But June isn't "just around the corner" either

Amen to that.
It runs like a piece of **** on my PC, and not to mention that many CLI programs cannot be exited and cause the PC to freeze

Only bugs I've come across is that sometimes the desktop doesn't refresh itself (i.e. removing a file from it) and the Windows Update window/list is 'blank' when you manually want to select updates to install.

Though the Windows Update bug is present in Vista as well after it was updated to look similar to the one in 7.

n_K said,
Amen to that.
It runs like a piece of **** on my PC, and not to mention that many CLI programs cannot be exited and cause the PC to freeze

Are the two of you both smoking crack or some crap? I've been using Win 7 since BETA 1 on my production machines, and in that stage of the game, was (and continues to be) the MOST STABLE OS I have EVER used since the DOS days. I do not see any of your "VISIBLE BUGS", nor does it run like a piece of **** as n_K implies, and on the contrary, runs amazing, even on old Intel Centrino hardware with limited specs!

You might want to check your hardware for problems first before you go trolling like an idiot.

I agree. On stable and good hardware the bugs are virtually nil. Any crashes were found to be caused by 3rd party software or drivers. For example Macdrive would cause a crash when a VHD drive image was unmounted. They since fixed their bug but it was their program that caused the crash. A few others like that have also occured.

Quad core 6700, ATI x1650 PRO, 3GB RAM, everything goes EXTREMELY SLOW, many other people have had the same problem.

And none of you have mentioned about the CLI problem, I know it exists because not only has it crashed my PC, but it's crashed some other people's laptops too; recreate it in php:
while (1)
{
}

There

n_K said,
Amen to that.
It runs like a piece of **** on my PC, and not to mention that many CLI programs cannot be exited and cause the PC to freeze

Its a hardware thing. 7 is screaming fast and stable as hell on my system. I'm very impressed and pleased with this OS. Went with the 64-bit and am now running 8GB ram. So far so great for me and Win7.

That is the nature of the PC platform, due to the millions of combinations of hardware and software, some people are going to have a bad experience even with a well spec'd out pc. It's no good denying that there is not a problem as there will be with some combinations of hardware, on the flip side it's important to remember for the majority of users there will be no problems and everything runs faster and is more productive. We just have to push on and hope that some problems are ironed out.

Personally ive yet to have had a problem with a Windows 7 installation, on many types of computers from desktop's to notebooks.
Ive also heard very few horror stories from friends / family, some of which even performed upgrades from Vista with only a couple of minor problems. (DVD drive wasn't detected due to some crap installed by HP)

n_K said,
Amen to that.
It runs like a piece of **** on my PC, and not to mention that many CLI programs cannot be exited and cause the PC to freeze

You're PC must be terrible. It runs wonderfully in VMWare Fusion on my Mac.. (not saying anything about macs) just stating its definitely not the OS thats ****.

It seems like there has been a lot fewer updates and patches since release. Maybe it's just me or the better Windows Update platform, but i wasn't expecting SP1 for a while longer. However, spring and summer may change that.

In the mean time, can't they just combine updates on Windows Updates for future updaters so they download less? Wouldn't that be better than pushing a SP?

I don't expect any new surprise features, but you never know. It also doesn't seem fast/quick to SP1 imo. If those dates are right, Sept for RTM? So just under 1 year, with a new OS version every 2-3. It fits.

GP007 said,
If those dates are right, Sept for RTM? So just under 1 year, with a new OS version every 2-3. It fits.

that's a little over 1 year, as windows 7 RTMed end of july.

AndyMutz said,
that's a little over 1 year, as windows 7 RTMed end of july.

Oh, true. So RTM to SP1 RTM would be pretty much in the norm then? With a SP2 when we're all talking about a Win8 beta.

thats a long way to go. I always like SP since they update a lot of features and bug fixed that was reported by users. Its awesome how Microsoft listens to all ideas and implement them. I remember the annoyance in vista with Media player and connecting a mp3 player. It pops up a windows for mp3 config. I hated it but its no more in windows 7.

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
True, but XP SP1 took a lil over a year, and Vista SP1 took 15 months. I'd say it's a lil faster than what we're used to usual.

I hope they fix the bug where the "tt" and the "e" in "little" seem to get eaten by certain keyboards.

Skwerl said,
I hope they fix the bug where the &quot;tt&quot; and the &quot;e&quot; in &quot;little&quot; seem to get eaten by certain keyboards.

I'm just wondering, are you an english professor?

Benjamin Rubenstein said,
True, but XP SP1 took a lil over a year, and Vista SP1 took 15 months. I'd say it's a lil faster than what we're used to usual.

True but I'd say it's a lil closer to 'normal' again. :>