More Windows Mobile 7 details leak?

As the time gets closer to Mobile World Congress and the inevitable launch of Windows Mobile 7; details are again leaking out about what the updated platform might entail.  There is a long list of supposed features leaked with regards to the upcoming platform which are posted below courtesy of PPCGeeks.com

  • The User Interface is based upon codename “METRO”. It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen. The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”
  • Unfortunately there will be no Flash support at the get go as there was not enough time to implement these features.
  • Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.
  • No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.
  • Marketplace will now support “try before you buy” as well as an API
  • No NETCF backwards compatibility. This means the original rumor of no backward compatibility for applications holds to be true. That being said, there are high hopes of porting the NetCF to the newer platform easily.
  • Microsoft is confident that devices will be ready by September 2010
  • Full Zune Integration
  • Windows Mobile Device Center will no longer be used. Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
  • OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc
  • Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)
  • Full support for social networking


Of the rumors, the most brazen of the bunch is that the device will not support multi-tasking.  This seems a bit farfetched as this would put it at a disadvantage when compared to other platforms such as Android or Blackberry.

While the idea of only being able to install applications by means of a marketplace is nothing new, it seems backwards for Microsoft as the Windows Mobile platform has literally thousands of applications on the web at this very moment that it would be forced to aggregate under one roof, provided that backwards compatibility is truly nixed from the OS.

The rumor list is exactly that, while some of the items seem a little more farfetched than others, if true, this would make Microsoft’s OS compete on the same level as Apple’s.  Although, if history has proven anything, Microsoft will not lock down its platform as tightly as Apple has done with its product. 

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Clueless...

The information here is clueless at best. For example, you could take the notes above and say the same things about the Zune HD, as from the outside, it fits the casual description of the 'leaks'.

However it really doesn't.

The Zune HD multi-tasks rather well, and EVEN THOUGH there are APPS distributed through Zune/Live, it is STILL a WinCE device and you can load any application you want to port over to the Zune interface (i.e. virtual keyboard, touch APIs, etc.) Microsoft even gives out the Zune development versions of WinCE and XNA for people to create their own software for it.

However, if asked, most people would desribe the Zune HD as a non-multi-tasking device with a lock-in to the Zune Store for Applications...

The market/consumer myth on these things is freaking insane, as even most self proclain 'tech' experts would argue that the Zune HD is locked into the Apps from Zune and can't mullti-task and blah blah blah ignorant understanding, blah...

The second thing confused is these leaks are ABOUT A SPECIFIC DEVICE, not the Windows Mobile or the WinCE platform. It would be like seeing a new router running Win7 Embedded and going OMG, Windows 7 has no features. Geesh.

•Windows Phone 7 will only support application installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible.

Wow, that sounds horrible. If true, I will not be getting a windows phone when it comes time to replace my Blackjack II (a phone I love because of this ability). I've cooked up things in Visual Studio that I use on my phone and use some other homebrew apps I've found online. I'd rather recode them for Android than loose them when I want to upgrade.

I believe with the no multitasking issue they mean that applications that do nothing by running in the background, like Maps, Word, Address book, etc. these will be 'paused' meaning their status will be saved and they will not consume memory or processor (or battery). This makes sense because these applications serve no purpose if you are not looking at them. But applications such as email and messenger, that use push technology will run in background. As for flash, maybe it doesn't have it now in the betas, but it will have it. We all know Adobe is slow to deliver new versions.

>>no Flash support
Fail
>>Application installation via storage card will not be possible
Fail
>>No Multi-Task support
Fail
>>OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device
Fail.
>>Zune software to take over syncing via PC.
M$ re-invented iPhone? Epic fail...

Locked applications is very bad, my next phone will be Android or WinMo 7 based depending if I can develop apps for my own use for it, and be able to download OSS apps such as putty.

smithy_dll said,
Locked applications is very bad, my next phone will be Android or WinMo 7 based depending if I can develop apps for my own use for it, and be able to download OSS apps such as putty.

I'm with you. I can't see Microsoft having such a blatant disregard for developers. Hey, Balmer! Developers, developers, developers... make homebrew stuff for their phones!

"It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen." What a huge fail. The Zune HD interface is absolutely terrible.

I was waiting for specs of WinMo7 to come out before I decided on which smartphone to get. Looks like I don't have to wait anymore.

spacer said,
"It will be very similar to the Zune HD User Interface with a complete revamp of the “Start” screen." What a huge fail. The Zune HD interface is absolutely terrible.

I was waiting for specs of WinMo7 to come out before I decided on which smartphone to get. Looks like I don't have to wait anymore.

Well, as the article states, these are RUMORS... Nothing has been confirmed yet... So I think you'll have a little more waiting to do...

As for these rumors, I would be shocked if these proved true...

Please let this be fake! Microsoft can have so much potential with a newly done WinMo release, but killing off it's main previous advantages, the openess and multitasking, would really kill it. That's what it made it most appealing all these years. Trying to compete on the iPhone league just won't work, because too many are still too charmed with Apple to try other alternatives that might seem like a 'copy' based on how well the Zune HD sales have been doing.

“Application installation via storage card will not be possible.”
No way.
I have a Windows Mobile based only because I can setup a third part program.
If this is true goodbye WinMo :(

joshua4net said,
“Application installation via storage card will not be possible.”
No way.
I have a Windows Mobile based only because I can setup a third part program.
If this is true goodbye WinMo :(

I agree. This is a very important feature of Windows Mobile... It would be foolish to restrict this...

Primary input method in Windows Mobile 7 is VOICE.

Yes. This is the change that is going to make Windows Mobile 7 different from other smart phones. To accomplish this Microsoft is using Tellme (http://www.tellme.com).

Would make sens as Microsoft has bought Tellme a few years ago. Not sure about the efficiency of their voice recognition technology though :

You'd be tempted to ask the question "Why ?". If they tell me that it would allow me to control my phone without having to look at it, then it's BS. In the videos at the Tellme web site, they're showing scenarios where people are using Tellme to make searchs on the web and sending sms. Really ? Are they serious ? I don't know but just the fact that I tend to use my phone in public areas with a lot of noise kills the entire idea. Unless they have a really strong piece of technology in there, but I doubt that.

E.Fahd said,
Would make sens as Microsoft has bought Tellme a few years ago. Not sure about the efficiency of their voice recognition technology though :

You'd be tempted to ask the question "Why ?". If they tell me that it would allow me to control my phone without having to look at it, then it's BS. In the videos at the Tellme web site, they're showing scenarios where people are using Tellme to make searchs on the web and sending sms. Really ? Are they serious ? I don't know but just the fact that I tend to use my phone in public areas with a lot of noise kills the entire idea. Unless they have a really strong piece of technology in there, but I doubt that.

Despite the arguments of voice advocates, I don't think voice is a very natural way to control devices. Talking to a consumer device always feels distant.

brianshapiro said,

Despite the arguments of voice advocates, I don't think voice is a very natural way to control devices. Talking to a consumer device always feels distant.

I think this is because it 1) hasn't been done all that successfully just yet, and 2) it isn't yet mainstream. Until more devices use voice input it's going to feel weird... For a phone though I can see this being pretty useful at times. But some Bluetooth headsets have voice activated dialing anyway, so that should pretty much meet the needs of most...

M_Lyons10 said,

I think this is because it 1) hasn't been done all that successfully just yet, and 2) it isn't yet mainstream. Until more devices use voice input it's going to feel weird... For a phone though I can see this being pretty useful at times. But some Bluetooth headsets have voice activated dialing anyway, so that should pretty much meet the needs of most...

Well just consider voice command on computers to begin with. Is it easier and more natural to talk to your computer and say 'start microsoft word', or to just do two clicks to get to a microsoft word icon.

Voice command you're right would be useful for cases where you need hands-free control, I just never thought that Star Trek computers were a very realistic idea of what a good interface was. "Computer, zoom in." "Computer, zoom in more." Just give me a scroll wheel!

Multitasking, no restrictions on what apps I can install and the ability to customize anything were the main reasons I bought a WinMo phone instead of an Iphone. If these rumors are true, no more upgrades for me, I'll just stick with the phone I have now until it fails and/or move on whatever gives me the same functionality.


"No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications."

Applications in the background, running code and sending notifications but not visible.
Sounds like multi-tasking to me...

Actually it's : applications in background, NOT running code but sending notifications. Which is pretty close to multitasking but is not real multitasking (on a technical pov). Multitasking is the ability (or perceived ability) to run multiple programs "at the same time".

Sorry if I sound a little uninformed, but how does an application know when to send a notification if it's not running code. What events could it notify us of if it's not even running?

Can you listen to music while browsing the web? Look up an address or phone number or directions while talking to someone on the phone? Well.. why not..

that doesn't sound good at all, all the strong points of the windows mobile platform (aka open to all developers) are gone. I hope this is not true!

Easy solution
Windows Phone 7 - No Multi-Tasking, No custom UI, No apps not from marketplace, etc
Windows Phones for Business - Multi-Tasking, Custom UI, Custom Built Enterprise Apps etc.

Windows Phone 7, in the shops and advertised
Windows Phones for Business, contracts made with the carriers Business 2 Business

martinDTanderson said,
Easy solution
Windows Phone 7 - No Multi-Tasking, No custom UI, No apps not from marketplace, etc
Windows Phones for Business - Multi-Tasking, Custom UI, Custom Built Enterprise Apps etc.

Windows Phone 7, in the shops and advertised
Windows Phones for Business, contracts made with the carriers Business 2 Business

Exactly however I think we'll find, the M/T is just a rewrite of how apps sit in the background and not as sensationalist as made by the article. Also that the business edition, will aslo be used for lower end WinMo phones that dont have all the bells and whisles but will be cheaper than the high end media version, but likely remain unadvertised as most of Winmo has anyway.

I guess we will find out in a cpl weeks but I think some of you are in for a shock. In order to provide a better out of the box experience, I have little doubt the high end consumer version of WinMo 7 will restrict OEM customisations and it might well restrict installs to app market - to firstly build its app market and to secondly provide a consistent windows phone experience.

That being said, its Windows Mobile, if you doubt for a second someone over at xda-dev wouldnt find away around those restrictions, then you havent used WinMo long enough to comment.

Osiris said,
That being said, its Windows Mobile, if you doubt for a second someone over at xda-dev wouldnt find away around those restrictions, then you havent used WinMo long enough to comment.

Exactly if WM7 is sporting this feature list it will be integrated quick enough with featuresets from 6.5.3 the chefs at XDA will do their work, and TBH if they don't/can't and any of this stands true I'll be sticking with 6.5.x I WILL NOT be upgrading, hardware yes not software though, hell if I want this crap I'll get an iPhone!

I think i'll throw my hat in to the ring here and go with the users calling bulls**t on this.
If MS were to go ahead with what is written above it would completely kill off WinMo.

I find these rumors to be a bit hard to believe... I just can't imagine Microsoft taking such drastic steps backwards...

I mean, no multi-tasking? Who can live without that at this point?

No backwards compatibility with Windows Mobile applications? That's going to be awful hard for upgrading customers to swallow...

Not being able to install applications from anywhere other than the Microsoft Marketplace? Foolish...

If these rumors are true, I'm going to take a pass on this one. A shame, because I was really looking forward to Windows Mobile 7. I really hope that these rumors prove false...

yes fake, IMO. This news is just for trolling members and force MS to unveil some features of the Windows Mobile 7...

No application installs outside of marketplace? No OEM customizations? No multitasking?

I hope this IS fake...because if it's true, Microsoft is killing a phone that has in large part only done so well because of the modding community and the things that can be done with it.

Looks like I'll be switching to Android soon.

There's no way that's right. While I'm perfectly happy with the iPhone OS and its feature set, the iPhone OS is aimed at iPhone users. Windows Mobile is aimed at WM users.

Windows Mobile can't just ditch its normal user base that uses it mainly because of some of the features being dropped and hope it can take a chunk out of iPhone users - they've got to play to their base.

Simon said,
There's no way that's right. While I'm perfectly happy with the iPhone OS and its feature set, the iPhone OS is aimed at iPhone users. Windows Mobile is aimed at WM users.

Windows Mobile can't just ditch its normal user base that uses it mainly because of some of the features being dropped and hope it can take a chunk out of iPhone users - they've got to play to their base.

Absolutely. Microsoft has to realize that... I mean if they were to drop features like these... I mean I can't even imagine... LOL But you're right. The first rule of marketing is to play to your base... Microsoft has been doing too good to make this foolish a mistake... At least I would hope... LOL

"OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc"
I see, sweet. Hopefully they'll make devices that is able to run games now that more memory should be available. Reason why I say games is the other mentioned feature below.

"Full XBOX Gaming Integration (Gamer tag, achievements, friends, avatars, merchandising, etc)"

I'm also looking forward to any devices that will have Windows Mobile 7 in the future.

Tom Warren was on of the folks that seems really really excited about what MS had at Mobius. However, he's clearly looking towards an iPhone/Android (google because he like them collecting data about him lol jk) according to his twitter account... so, I guess, if Tom's phone choice should be a hint, that MS really doesn't have anything gamechanging?

I'm pretty sure they'll have something that sets it apart, but I'm guessing not until early next year.

I doubt they're in that much of a hurry to skip and over look things like flash. I'm sure they'll be working with adobe like hardware developers to bring best possible solution or compromise. Along with multitasking too, this is one of the key deciders why this will stand out which makes this speculative leak seem more like a prediction from a butt hurt iphone fan.

Sorry I don't believe a word of it, this can't be windows mobile 7, if it is then my next phone is not WM it's Android. The whole point why some people like me like WM is that it is highly configurable, it may not have the slickest of the interfaces but that is made up for by the fact I can do so much more with it and with Sense UI on top it can even look sexy (At least until you dig in ).

random_n said,
It really sounds like they just got the Zune team to make a phone, Windows Mobile be damned.

That is exactly what it sounds like. I was wondering when MS would actually do this as well especially if they wanted to converge their multimedia player with their phone OS. To keep the teams separate, running the same base OS, would not give them the result that they need.

donkeyman said,

That is exactly what it sounds like. I was wondering when MS would actually do this as well especially if they wanted to converge their multimedia player with their phone OS. To keep the teams separate, running the same base OS, would not give them the result that they need.

Yeah, but if I recall correctly, Microsoft did merge their Zune Music team and the Windows Mobile team... So they were working together on this... I just find these rumors VERY hard to believe given that many of these are considered Windows Mobile's strong suites...

One question...

Windows Mobile becomes Windows Phone?
(Windows Phone == Windows Mobile) or (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone)?

mentas said,
One question...

Windows Mobile becomes Windows Phone?
(Windows Phone == Windows Mobile) or (Windows Mobile != Windows Phone)?

It's basically a rebranding... I'm not sure if that started with 6.5 or with 7 to be honest, but I remember when the announcement was made... Personally I prefer Windows Mobile...

Wow, Zune intergration into the phone can only mean good things for the HD. If this has the Zune UI, then it's serious win.

Jelly2003 said,
To me much of this list looks like total BS.

...not to mention IMPORTANT... LOL

I'm surprised the "leak" didn't add "MMS Support" to this list... LMAO

This honestly sounds more like some ZunePhone or a Project Pink phone, and not Windows Mobile 7. Someone might've confused the lists?

OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc

I hope this is true, so HTC finally have a reason to dump microsoft and fully focus on android, windows mobile has been holding HTC back.

omganinja said,
OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc

I hope this is true, so HTC finally have a reason to dump microsoft and fully focus on android, windows mobile has been holding HTC back.

Yeah right. There's still two types of WinMo 7 releasing, and those 'leaks' listed could just be concerning the premium version, since it doesn't mention the standard version. If WM7 has a really outstanding interface, it shouldn't matter to HTC anyway, who just wants to sell phones.

Redestium said,
I think the biggest bummer is the September time frame. No way I'm waiting that long. Go Android!

Well, Windows Mobile has always struggled with that, as Microsoft has to release the OS to OEM's and then they and the carriers have to adapt the OS to their needs... So that of course takes time as well... I was kind of hoping that Windows Mobile 7 would bring with it some sort of Add On system that allowed OEM's and carriers to just release their own Add Ons to change appearance, etc. and leave the OS releases and backend to Microsoft...

In fact, one of the planned features for Windows Mobile 7 I thought was over the air updates... What happened to that?

Wasn't multitasking, 3rd party shells, freedom of installation the keys of Windows Mobile?
I'm happy for the rest tho, Zune and XBox integration is great, I "could" think a switch from my iPhone with this.

NienorGT said,
Wasn't multitasking, 3rd party shells, freedom of installation the keys of Windows Mobile?
I'm happy for the rest tho, Zune and XBox integration is great, I "could" think a switch from my iPhone with this.

I'll be switching from my Omnia to this, WinMo 6.1 is just horrible.

neo158 said,

I'll be switching from my Omnia to this, WinMo 6.1 is just horrible.

I can't believe you haven't flash 6.5.3 onto it yet. Why!

Billus said,

I can't believe you haven't flash 6.5.3 onto it yet. Why!

Do you have an Omnia? What build would you suggest? Personally I've been a bit nervous about flashing 6.5.3 on my phone, since it isn't coming from Samsung... Have you had any problems?

Billus said,

I can't believe you haven't flash 6.5.3 onto it yet. Why!

Because if/when I use 6.5 I want to use it on a device with a capacitive not resistive touchscreen!!!!

Wow...No app installs from storage, no multitasking, no custom UIs...

If this is true, thank you Microsoft for getting rid of everything that makes WinMO different.

/- Razorfold said,
If this is true, thank you Microsoft for getting rid of everything that makes WinMO different.

If those things are true, then they are also getting rid of the things that confuse average consumers, which is a good thing.

I wonder if this Windows Mobile 7 will get an easy to use SDK which will be compatible with the Zune HD, bringing apps to it and Windows Phones at the same time.

-No Multi-Task support-

I think multitasking is not a comfortable feature on small devices.
Multitask will make a confusing experience and problems.. think its a small device!

-No NETCF backwards compatibility-

Great news, but:
- New .NET CF (with better UX)?
- ...or Silverlight 4?

mentas said,
-No Multi-Task support-

I think multitasking is not a comfortable feature on small devices.
Multitask will make a confusing experience and problems.. think its a small device!

-No NETCF backwards compatibility-

Great news, but:
- New .NET CF (with better UX)?
- ...or Silverlight 4?

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/02/06/more-windows-mobile-7-rumors-grab-some-salt/

This site has more informations than neowin has included here.

mentas said,
-No Multi-Task support-

I think multitasking is not a comfortable feature on small devices.
Multitask will make a confusing experience and problems.. think its a small device!

-No NETCF backwards compatibility-

Great news, but:
- New .NET CF (with better UX)?
- ...or Silverlight 4?

When you are using a smart phone as a business device you will want an OS capable of multitasking.

mentas said,
-No Multi-Task support-

I think multitasking is not a comfortable feature on small devices.
Multitask will make a confusing experience and problems.. think its a small device!

-No NETCF backwards compatibility-

Great news, but:
- New .NET CF (with better UX)?
- ...or Silverlight 4?

Multi tasking is perfectly usable. I have my task manager mapped to press and hold on the back button. I open it and can just click the program I want to switch to. How is that hard? Phones can have more than one button, you know.

SQ1 said,
That's not good... No multitasking and no installs from storage, bye bye winmobile for me.

cannot believe i am doing this...

----> +1

Kashaar said,
+ the fact we cannot use third party interfaces... I am really hoping these rumors are just false. Arg...

How do you know Windows Phone 7's UI will suck? Simply you don't. HTC may have helped Microsoft make the UI.

Depending on how flexible the Registery editors are / how much power phone providers have over the configuration - allowing for phones to run with 1, or only 2-3, apps running at once would be a nice feature to add...making the addition of push a good peice of functionality (if it's an optional extra) for apps that don't NEED to run in the background but would be nice to leave running (looking at you facebook/games)

as for limiting to a marketplace... again, seems likely this will probbly be a per-phoneprovider feature...and one that'll likely be turned off with different roms.

as for flash not being ready at launch... as long as there's plans for flash support (new Compact Flash support mind you...not old crap) it's a nice change from what Apple plans on offering.

Microsoft has no history in actively removing features from phones so I doubt a lot of these "rumors" are all truth...but giving providers/manufacturers more control over the windows mobile platform (as well as microsoft) will likely lead to a more enjoyable experience... one that customers have grown accustomed to on the iPhone.

zeke009 said,
Why? Apple is doing just fine without either.

Because theres nothing that makes WM more attractive than the iPhone if they do this. In order to get people over they have to not only imitate Apple but have a better platform than Apple.

zeke009 said,
Why? Apple is doing just fine without either.
I agree with Brian above. Microsoft needs to not try to "catch up" with the rest of the market players, they need to keep surpassing them. Make Apple, Google, Symbian all catch up with Microsoft. Not the other way around.

Windows Mobile used to multitask and I didn't understand Windows Mobile fully. Now I do, and understand that multitasking is for a price. If Windows Mobile is dying and they need to get with it and get multi-touch gestures and full effects, you need to understand multitasking has to be taken away. Because it is being taken away, it means they are going forward with making the OS look extremely alive and not dead and slow. Android OS is slow and laggy compared to iPhone OS, you just can't do all this in this time. Multitasking isn't that great anyway, it can be traded for better features, like push notifications.

brianshapiro said,

Because theres nothing that makes WM more attractive than the iPhone if they do this. In order to get people over they have to not only imitate Apple but have a better platform than Apple.

Yup, there's no evidence that developing for windows mobile easier then iphone... oh wait... it is... in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. so WM platform would likely get much better quality applications then iphone... just saying.

Not defending microsoft on the multitask thing if it's true (and not an option)...but your comment on no flash- it is clearly implied in the rumors that it won't be ready to go for launch, implying they're GETTING it ready. Besides, we won't see phones commonplace until a while after launch anyways, so we'll likely have a stable flash build before there's any issue.

Well to be fair : PC to PC sync + Zune + XBox + Office integration = Win, even without multitasking or flash. But from a business POV no multitasking would be very annoying and flash is said to be coming later.

Electric Jolt said,
Android OS is slow and laggy compared to iPhone OS, you just can't do all this in this time. Multitasking isn't that great anyway, it can be traded for better features, like push notifications.

Have you actually used a new Android device? Nothing is slow/laggy, mutii-tasking is relevant to basic consumers and business people alike.

Electric Jolt said,
Windows Mobile used to multitask and I didn't understand Windows Mobile fully. Now I do, and understand that multitasking is for a price. If Windows Mobile is dying and they need to get with it and get multi-touch gestures and full effects, you need to understand multitasking has to be taken away. Because it is being taken away, it means they are going forward with making the OS look extremely alive and not dead and slow. Android OS is slow and laggy compared to iPhone OS, you just can't do all this in this time. Multitasking isn't that great anyway, it can be traded for better features, like push notifications.

Who said multi-tasking and fluidity are mutually exclusive? They are not. WM is slow because it is run on slow hardware 90% of the time. Use the HD2 and say that is slow.

Electric Jolt said,
Windows Mobile used to multitask and I didn't understand Windows Mobile fully. Now I do, and understand that multitasking is for a price. If Windows Mobile is dying and they need to get with it and get multi-touch gestures and full effects, you need to understand multitasking has to be taken away. Because it is being taken away, it means they are going forward with making the OS look extremely alive and not dead and slow. Android OS is slow and laggy compared to iPhone OS, you just can't do all this in this time. Multitasking isn't that great anyway, it can be traded for better features, like push notifications.

what about... faster hardware? more energy efficient hardware? cheaper ram?

brianshapiro said,
Because theres nothing that makes WM more attractive than the iPhone if they do this. In order to get people over they have to not only imitate Apple but have a better platform than Apple.

Isn't imitating what Microsoft does best lately?

nDrg said,

Have you actually used a new Android device? Nothing is slow/laggy, mutii-tasking is relevant to basic consumers and business people alike.

Yes, I used a Droid. I didn't like it since it wasn't as simple as iPhone OS, and it doesn't make everything common sense, simple things are made complex on it. The settings is crap, it doesn't have common sense features in it. The Android OS is laggy, it doesn't pick up on your touch as quick as an iPhone.

Although I never saw the HD2, other phones just cannot take the two, it breaks down the other. I have Winterboard on my iPhone and after 4 hours of design, I find that the damn thing dies in the night completely. It was doing nothing and as far as the effects go, I lost it all, the effects of closing and opening apps was replaced with "just do what you need to do", like they were all gone. Many people have similar hardware to the iPhone, and you can't expect these phones to all do muli-tasking and tons of graphics rendering. The HD2 is an expensive phone, I'm pretty sure multi-tasking will come later in the game when the HD3 comes out and makes the HD2 look like nothing.

Electric Jolt said,

Yes, I used a Droid. I didn't like it since it wasn't as simple as iPhone OS, and it doesn't make everything common sense, simple things are made complex on it. The settings is crap, it doesn't have common sense features in it. The Android OS is laggy, it doesn't pick up on your touch as quick as an iPhone.

Although I never saw the HD2, other phones just cannot take the two, it breaks down the other. I have Winterboard on my iPhone and after 4 hours of design, I find that the damn thing dies in the night completely. It was doing nothing and as far as the effects go, I lost it all, the effects of closing and opening apps was replaced with "just do what you need to do", like they were all gone. Many people have similar hardware to the iPhone, and you can't expect these phones to all do muli-tasking and tons of graphics rendering. The HD2 is an expensive phone, I'm pretty sure multi-tasking will come later in the game when the HD3 comes out and makes the HD2 look like nothing.

Why does everything need to be common sense? Just spend 10 minutes with the phone and you will know how to navigate it fine. Doesn't have to be "common sense" if you have a brain.

No Multi-Task support. Applications will “Pause” when in the background, however will support notifications via push notifications.

:laugh: When Apple does it, it's stupid and ****. I wonder what people will think of it when Windows does it.

Tech Star said,
:laugh: When Apple does it, it's stupid and ****. I wonder what people will think of it when Windows does it.

We'll think exactly the same, stupid and ****.

Tech Star said,

:laugh: When Apple does it, it's stupid and ****. I wonder what people will think of it when Windows does it.

Have a look at the comments maybe? They are negative.

No multi-tasking just sucks.

Edited by Minimoose, Feb 6 2010, 11:47pm :

Tech Star said,

:laugh: When Apple does it, it's stupid and ****. I wonder what people will think of it when Windows does it.

I'm a WM user and if this is true I am for sure jumping ship to Android.

mrp04 said,

I'm a WM user and if this is true I am for sure jumping ship to Android.

Whats the problem? They pause, you don't have to exit one and reopen another, and I imagine theres a way for programs that really need it to run in the background.

The UI is “Very Clean”, “Soulful” and “Alive”

Wow, just what I wanted from a phone. A 'soulful' UI. Now I can bring my phone to churches and jazz concerts and not feel out of place.

brianshapiro said,

Wow, just what I wanted from a phone. A 'soulful' UI. Now I can bring my phone to churches and jazz concerts and not feel out of place.


hahah +1

brianshapiro said,

Wow, just what I wanted from a phone. A 'soulful' UI. Now I can bring my phone to churches and jazz concerts and not feel out of place.

They are trying to appeal to Apple retards by using the same or similar terms Steve Jobs uses.

Leo Natan said,

They are trying to appeal to Apple retards by using the same or similar terms Steve Jobs uses.

Its also part of the whole 'aspirational UI' trend that you see bloggers like Scoble promoting, which basically I feel is stupid, missing the point, and patronizing people. People want beautiful, simple UIs, period. I think the iPhone qualifies under that description. The idea isn't to try to spoonfeed emotions to them.

brianshapiro said,

Wow, just what I wanted from a phone. A 'soulful' UI. Now I can bring my phone to churches and jazz concerts and not feel out of place.

LMAO

Come on guys. When they mean soulful, I think they mean the UI comes to life, and it's a whole lot more alive than the previous Windows Mobile releases. For example, the multi-touch gestures and effects make it a whole lot more alive than the releases of Windows Mobile that didn't have all that good stuff. ;)

So looking forward to this!! I don't believe the no multitasking claim though, very unlike Microsoft to remove a key feature for no reason.

CarlJ said,
So looking forward to this!! I don't believe the no multitasking claim though, very unlike Microsoft to remove a key feature for no reason.
My first thought was would the weather app I have on my homescreen no longer be possible? Hope not, having that auto update and my tasks panel auto update after sync was something very much enjoyed.

CarlJ said,
So looking forward to this!! I don't believe the no multitasking claim though, very unlike Microsoft to remove a key feature for no reason.

Yeah, and no Flash. What are they trying to accomplish here - meeting the iPhone feature set? The reason behind no multitasking would IMO be if the OS revamp is so big that they didn't have time to add it back, and it'll come in a future release... hmm...

I really hope MS won't have the chance to gain an edge with Windows Mobile 7 and blow it.

The ultimate irony would be if Apple would release iPhone OS 4.0 some month ahead of Windows Mobile 7, and add multitasking as a feature. :S

Edited by Northgrove, Feb 6 2010, 11:21pm :

CarlJ said,
I don't believe the no multitasking claim though, very unlike Microsoft to remove a key feature for no reason.

This can't be true. WinMo is used not only in the phones. A lot of devices around use this embedded OS. They just can't simply kill this big part of the market...

AlexBu said,

This can't be true. WinMo is used not only in the phones. A lot of devices around use this embedded OS. They just can't simply kill this big part of the market...

I agree.

CarlJ said,
So looking forward to this!! I don't believe the no multitasking claim though, very unlike Microsoft to remove a key feature for no reason.

Believe it, multitasking just confuses a huge bulk of people. I'm guessing that there will be more than one version, one ultra consumer locked down version, and more open technical version... just guessing


Also the title should be 'Windows Phone' not 'Mobile"...


Deviate_X said,

Believe it, multitasking just confuses a huge bulk of people. I'm guessing that there will be more than one version, one ultra consumer locked down version, and more open technical version... just guessing

Also the title should be 'Windows Phone' not 'Mobile"...

I'm not sure how multitasking would be forced on those easily confused users if it were in the OS. From how it sounds, an app 'pauses' when you go to something else, and when you get back to it, it resumes from that state.

So whats the difference between that, and that, except allowing music to play in the background, or that, except allowing you to look up map directions while keeping a voice call active?

If they want to be able to make sure the user knows there are 'active' apps, they could put a little icon somewhere to tell the user the app is still active when they switch to something else, and touching the icon would allow the user to stop it. If users are confused by features, you make the interface better, you don't remove the features.

Edited by brianshapiro, Feb 7 2010, 8:42pm :