Mountain Lion to drop support for older Macs

Apple has confirmed that Mountain Lion, the upcoming 10.8 version of its Mac OS X operating system, will not support all Mac computers with 64-bit processors. Information found in the golden master of Mountain Lion released to developers indicates that the limitation is due to older graphics hardware in the excluded models.

As detailed on Apple's OS X upgrade page, these are the models that will support Mountain Lion:

  • iMac (Mid 2007 or newer)
  • MacBook (Late 2008 Aluminum, or Early 2009 or newer)
  • MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer)
  • MacBook Air (Late 2008 or newer)
  • Mac mini (Early 2009 or newer)
  • Mac Pro (Early 2008 or newer)
  • Xserve (Early 2009)

While Apple has provided no official statement on why models older than those on the supported list will not support Mountain Lion, Andrew Cunningham of Ars Technica posited that the exclusions are due to graphics drivers. Mountain Lion's 64-bit only kernel does not support loading 32-bit kernel extensions, such as the 32-bit graphics drivers on Macs older than the models on the supported list.

Ars Technica guesses that Apple decided it was better to cut off these older models, instead of spending the time and resources to update the drivers for older GPUs. The older Mac models will be stuck with Mac OS 10.7, Lion.

Mountain Lion is rumored to launch at the end of July.

Source: Apple, Ars Technica

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older graphics hardware

Anyone remember the awesome Mac PC ads from Apple when Vista came out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2D1ig4df4

I wonder if people notice the hypocrisy yet?

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The other fun fact, Vista, Windows 7, and even Windows 8 still run on PC that are 12 years old. Not that Apple lied in the Ad, oh wait, yes they lied.

Windows 8 runs on even lower end hardware than Windows 7, supporting new minimal RAM technologies, that outperforms XP in 128mb and 256mb systems. However, Windows 8 does break with CPUs, requiring the security of the NX bit during boot, which means the CPU has to be Pentium 4 or newer, which has been around since 2000.

i have the early 2006 mac pro and i upgraded to the newest ATI Radeon HD 5700 graphic card. will this work for ML OS?

My iBook USB G3 is only supported thru OS 10.4.11 (Tiger)

My second generation iPod Touch (purchased in 2009) is only supported to OS 4.2.1.

The original iPad (2010) is only supported thru iOS 5.1.1

If you're an Apple user you should expect your product to only be supported for a couple of years - they issue a new OS and drop older hardware. They're a hardware company and they're not about to continually support old stuff - they want you to buy new stuff. That's how they make their money - selling stuff...

You might as well get used to it.

Edited by GraveDigger27, Jul 12 2012, 3:26pm :

xpclient said,
Thanks for reminding why OS X is not a feasible Windows alternative for me.

Don't worry, you can still get a really old Mac and run Mac OS X Puma (released in 2001) on it.

.Neo said,

Don't worry, you can still get a really old Mac and run Mac OS X Puma (released in 2001) on it.

LOL, I'm sure he would love that, because this stupid new Mac OS X has 598923478 features removed too! :mad:

brent3000 said,
I can see alot of Macs will start to hit ebay now?
Not really. They don't just magically stop working because they can't run Mountain Lion.

virtorio said,
Not really. They don't just magically stop working because they can't run Mountain Lion.

If you're a iOS developer they will.

virtorio said,
Not really. They don't just magically stop working because they can't run Mountain Lion.

Maybe they will do the 'low notification crash' like OS X implemented, so that they will just disappear in the middle of the night and people will assume they wanted to find a better family with a yard they could run in.

I still find it amusing when Mac users mention they hardly have crashes; however, they are annoyed when their Mac does its 'refresh' and restarts itself and they lose work. The amusement ends when they don't believe the tech telling them that is a crash.

thenetavenger said,

I still find it amusing when Mac users mention they hardly have crashes; however, they are annoyed when their Mac does its 'refresh' and restarts itself and they lose work. The amusement ends when they don't believe the tech telling them that is a crash.

What the the hell are you talking about?

Enron said,
A few of my Apples are unsupported I guess. Maybe I can install Windows 8 on them instead?

Probably not a problem I bet.

Is it true that under Mountain Lion, if I were to download an install a program from the internet (not using the Mac AppStore) I will not be allowed to run that app?

Javik said,
Another dickish move by Apple given that these machines aren't even *that* old.

It's not a matter of that. Mountain Lion requires 64-bit EFI. There are a lot of graphic drivers for built in GPUs that are only 32-bit and will not load under 64-bit API. Apple does not write the GPU drivers in Mac OS X.

Rosyna said,

It's not a matter of that. Mountain Lion requires 64-bit EFI. There are a lot of graphic drivers for built in GPUs that are only 32-bit and will not load under 64-bit API. Apple does not write the GPU drivers in Mac OS X.

They compile them from reference source recieved from GPU manufacurers. They just want you to buy a new computer since hardware is their main source of income.

Rosyna said,

It's not a matter of that. Mountain Lion requires 64-bit EFI. There are a lot of graphic drivers for built in GPUs that are only 32-bit and will not load under 64-bit API. Apple does not write the GPU drivers in Mac OS X.

Lol that's the most stupid excuse ever. Very Apple-ish.

? Early 2009 machines are maximum/around three years old now, that sounds like they are dropping support for them just a little too soon.

Ambroos said,
? Early 2009 machines are maximum/around three years old now, that sounds like they are dropping support for them just a little too soon.

When your business is hardware, you cannot sustain your business model by offering $30 upgrades of 4 year old systems.

deadonthefloor said,
When your business is hardware, you cannot sustain your business model by offering $30 upgrades of 4 year old systems.

OS X Mountain Lion costs even less… €16 or $20.

deadonthefloor said,
Apple fans rejoice!
This better mean a decent hardware refresh is on the way to warrant that kind of cash outlay.

rejoice?? lol...you're out your mind. this is terrible news for some people.

aviator189 said,

rejoice?? lol...you're out your mind. this is terrible news for some people.

Yeah it is. I've owned my Windows laptop for 4 years now, and I can still install Windows 8 on it (mine's even a tablet so I can even use the touchscreen!)

But all the Lumia 900 owners will tell you "You bought your computer as it was, not for future updates. Does it still work and nothing has been lost? What are you complaining about then?"

andrewbares said,

Yeah it is. I've owned my Windows laptop for 4 years now, and I can still install Windows 8 on it (mine's even a tablet so I can even use the touchscreen!)

But all the Lumia 900 owners will tell you "You bought your computer as it was, not for future updates. Does it still work and nothing has been lost? What are you complaining about then?"

You're comparing apples to oranges. The general public don't think about buying a phone the same way they think of buying a computer or a TV or something else of that sort. People tend to buy a phone as a short term item, they'll change it in 1-2 years if they can to something newer. That's not the case with a PC etc, lots of people still use there 5+ year old PCs and many get a new one if the old one breaks.

Sure you like to bring up the Lumia over and over and sure I'll agree that it sucks it won't get WP8, but that's a phone and this is a computer regardless of how some people want to think of smartphones.

aviator189 said,

rejoice?? lol...you're out your mind. this is terrible news for some people.

Uhm, no.
Apple fans always seem to talk about how their favorite company has the largest market cap in IT, and all the other ballyhoo.
This is one of the reasons why that's the case.

I don't understand how people can love the company that screws them so hard.

deadonthefloor said,
I don't understand how people can love the company that screws them so hard.

Obviously because they like it hard?

Lol this is Apple intentionally forcing people to buy new hardware, typical.. whatever excuse they give is just pure bull****.

You can install Windows 8 on 10 year old hardware

PmRd said,
You can install Windows 8 on 10 year old hardware

Yes, but MS are forced to sell the upgrade on those 10 year old systems at Apple upgrade pricing just to rid the world of the scourge that is XP.

deadonthefloor said,

Yes, but MS are forced to sell the upgrade on those 10 year old systems at Apple upgrade pricing just to rid the world of the scourge that is XP.

MS are selling the upgrade at that price because Windows 8 is backed by the Windows Store, the full retail version will probably be cheap too, at least that's what I think.

I do believe there is a time to update to a new machine. But that time shouldn't be 2.5 years after purchase. I like apple, but this seems kinda like a bad business deal to me and if I owned a Mac computer I would be ****ed if this affected me.

rippleman said,
if I owned a Mac computer I would be ****ed if this affected me.

Yep, I am ****ed. I only own a Mac for iPhone development. Apple has dumped support for my Mac.

rfirth said,

Yep, I am ****ed. I only own a Mac for iPhone development. Apple has dumped support for my Mac.

You can be sure the newer SDKs will only support Mountain Lion

PmRd said,

You can be sure the newer SDKs will only support Mountain Lion

I know. They are very quick to do that. That makes me very sad.

rippleman said,
I do believe there is a time to update to a new machine. But that time shouldn't be 2.5 years after purchase. I like apple, but this seems kinda like a bad business deal to me and if I owned a Mac computer I would be ****ed if this affected me.

All those listed machines are 2007 or newer so it's more like five years, 4.5 or 3.5 at least. Not 2.5.

I really wonder how many people here complain who actually own that old mac's.
I presume 1 or 2, the rest just want to make themself feel good by bitching apple.

sanctified said,

All those listed machines are 2007 or newer so it's more like five years, 4.5 or 3.5 at least. Not 2.5.


Not the Mac Mini or Mac Pro.

Shadrack said,


Not the Mac Mini or Mac Pro.

The Mini is early 2009 and the MacPro is early 2008, 3.5 and 4.5 years respectively. More since those models ARE supported, so you can add around half a year and a whole year to the count.

andrewbares said,

That's a whole lot better than a few months for Lumia 900 owners


How so? As far as I know, the Lumias are still being updated.

still1 said,
I really wonder how many people here complain who actually own that old mac's.
I presume 1 or 2, the rest just want to make themself feel good by bitching apple.

Step back for a minute and be reasonable here, is there some technical issue or limitation that holds as to why they're doing this? Or is it simply to make you buy newer hardware? They say the graphics hardware is old? So can't you upgrade the graphics card? Honestly this just seems like a clear money grab to me but you want to say the haters are just hating so there's nothing to see here?

Why couldn't a Mac from 2008 run the newest version exactly? One would think the hardware is powerful enough right? So explain to me how this isn't something bad?

GP007 said,

Why couldn't a Mac from 2008 run the newest version exactly? One would think the hardware is powerful enough right? So explain to me how this isn't something bad?

Again. All the listed supported models are 2007 OR NEWER. No 2008 model (Except the Mini) has left behind.

Cøi said,

How so? As far as I know, the Lumias are still being updated.

So are Macs running OS X Lion… v10.7.5 is on its way.

.Neo said,

So are Macs running OS X Lion… v10.7.5 is on its way.

In some cases we are talking about 2000$+ work machines not phones, so your point is invalid. You can be assured that the newer iOS SDK will require Mountain Lion! So every developer who's machine is "too old" (lol) is ****ed! Apple are simply refusing to write new graphic drivers or something like that because they are money whores, there's no big architectural difference between Lion and Mountain Lion so it can't be compared to Windows Phone 7 -> 8.

I'm sure some guys will quickly find a way to make it work on those "older" Macs.

Edited by PmRd, Jul 12 2012, 1:53pm :

GP007 said,

Step back for a minute and be reasonable here, is there some technical issue or limitation that holds as to why they're doing this? Or is it simply to make you buy newer hardware? They say the graphics hardware is old? So can't you upgrade the graphics card? Honestly this just seems like a clear money grab to me but you want to say the haters are just hating so there's nothing to see here?

Why couldn't a Mac from 2008 run the newest version exactly? One would think the hardware is powerful enough right? So explain to me how this isn't something bad?


where did you get the 2008 idea? its 2007 and newer which is 5.5 years.
check 5.5 year old mac configuration and its not like windows where MS remove some features, add under the hood feature and modify the UI. Apple do add a lot of feature and it needs power to run it.

Cøi said,

How so? As far as I know, the Lumias are still being updated.

how??? don't be ignorant. Just like Lumina with no WP8,No Mountain lion for 5.5 year older hardware. Oh wait Lumia was released 8 months ago..

still1 said,

how??? don't be ignorant. Just like Lumina with no WP8,No Mountain lion for 5.5 year older hardware. Oh wait Lumia was released 8 months ago..

I hate to say the obvious just because people forcefully keep themselves ignorant, but these Macs aren't getting any support at all anymore while the Lumia is still getting WP 7.8 which overlaps WP 8 for a big part except supported hardware.

Cøi said,

I hate to say the obvious just because people forcefully keep themselves ignorant, but these Macs aren't getting any support at all anymore while the Lumia is still getting WP 7.8 which overlaps WP 8 for a big part except supported hardware.

isnt that the same Mountain Lion which is releasing in future wont support old hardware. just like future wp8 wont support Lumia's.... yeah Lumia got an overlay of wp8 features but what about wp8.5?? oh yeah it wont get any!!!

still1 said,

isnt that the same Mountain Lion which is releasing in future wont support old hardware. just like future wp8 wont support Lumia's.... yeah Lumia got an overlay of wp8 features but what about wp8.5?? oh yeah it wont get any!!!

Don't compare 2000$+ work machines to phones. WP7 are net getting updated because how can you add a SD slot or increase the screen resolution without making new hardware? Your point is so invalid it hurts.

Microsoft are aware that some WP7 owners are mad and looking at Microsoft's track record for the past years you can be sure they will do everything they can to please them! While Apple executives are sitting on their thrones petting their cats while sucking the money out of it's horde of zombie customers.

Edited by PmRd, Jul 12 2012, 3:08pm :

GP007 said,

Step back for a minute and be reasonable here, is there some technical issue or limitation that holds as to why they're doing this? Or is it simply to make you buy newer hardware? They say the graphics hardware is old? So can't you upgrade the graphics card? Honestly this just seems like a clear money grab to me but you want to say the haters are just hating so there's nothing to see here?

Why couldn't a Mac from 2008 run the newest version exactly? One would think the hardware is powerful enough right? So explain to me how this isn't something bad?


The only hardware that Apple makes that you could even replace the graphics card in is the Mac Pro! Every other Mac made is basically laptop parts. As I understand it you can't even add or replace the ram in the new MacBook Pro as the ram is soldered to the mainboard.

GP007 said,

Why couldn't a Mac from 2008 run the newest version exactly? One would think the hardware is powerful enough right? So explain to me how this isn't something bad?

Why can't a Windows Phone from 2012 run the newest version? There comes a point in time where companies evaluate what they have, and decide what would be their best bet going forward.