Mozilla exec urges Firefox users to switch to Bing

Hot off the press from Ars Technica, word of Mozilla's director of community development, Asa Dolzler's comments permeate the eardrums of Google lovers worldwide. Catalyzed by Google CEO Eric Schmidt's comments on privacy, Dolzler, on his private blog, is telling Firefox users to ditch Google for Microsoft's Bing, stating that Bing provides superior security.

In a recent interview with CNBC, Schmidt said:
"I think judgment matters... If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. If you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines — including Google — do retain this information for some time and it's important, for example, that we are all subject in the United States to the Patriot Act and it is possible that all that information could be made available to the authorities."

Dolzler's response:
"I think that the thing that bothers me most about Google CEO Eric Schmidt's comment is that it makes clear that he simply doesn't understand privacy. That a company with so much user data on its servers is led by someone who just doesn't understand privacy is really scary to me and it should be scary to you as well."

 There's no way to tell what kind of effect Dolzler's comments will have on the already shaky Google/Mozilla relationship, as Mozilla relies heavily on its income from Firefox's Google search deal. Questions about the two companies' marriage spawned when Google released Chrome, back in September of 2008, to directly compete with Firefox. Dolzler seems to disregard the relationship altogether, as he links directly to Firefox's "only officially supported Bing add-on" at the end of his post, saying, "here's how you can easily switch Firefox's search from Google to Bing."

Here's a video of Schmidt's comments...

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Very weird. In my mind Google goes with open-source products like firefox and Bing with commercial micro$oft stuff.

Privacy is becoming the big issue for the internet in the 21st century. Its quite alarming to think how much data Google can actually store just from your browser history. Its scary to think of what information they can extrapolate from that about your life, location, shopping habits. At the end of the day its all about helping them target people through marketing and adverts. Now with the huge leaps in mobile broadband search engines and browsers have the ability to track your location, other people you may meet, contacts and all sorts of other information. Big brother is definitely watching you.

InnerGlow said,
Oddly enough, Bing's photo of the day is currently......

a FIREFOX!


I saw this myself and giggled. And yes its a Red Panda, but its also known as a FireFox.

Oh... and before anyone jumps on my case:

One often repeated "fact" on the Web is that one name for the Red Panda in Chinese is çÂ«Ã§‹ (huÇ’ hú, which literally translates as "fire fox"). (from wikipedia)

/me facepalms at the whole issue.

Every search engine that operates in the US is bound by the Patriot Act to deliver what they have.
Every search engine does datamining and profiles their users, the users of social websites and provides consulting/formation/tools to advertising and marketing agencies.

If you want privacy don't go to the internet.

Most people who say that Bing is terrible have never used it. Reminds me of Windows Vista. Anyway, I still agree that Google is slightly better but Bing is better than Yahoo (and I use Bing because it finds what I need 9/10 times where as google probably 9.5/10 times).

Im sticking with Google. This just comes off to me as Dolzler being bitter over Google having their own browser.
He needs to get over himself.

Humor me here, what would happen if Microsoft gave up IE totally and made a deal with Mozilla to include Firefox with Windows?

oldgeek said,
Humor me here, what would happen if Microsoft gave up IE totally and made a deal with Mozilla to include Firefox with Windows?

Windows would have a much better browser.

It's far more likely that MS would just ditch the Trident Engine and switch to Webkit, before they would include FF..

MS needs control over the browser for the business end of their market, and FF doesn't play as well in a business environment, as it's harder to lock down from the end users control in the same way IE is..

My two pence would be that whenever one interacts within the internet, you have to accept it is potentially not secure and could be accessed by anyone because of the nature of the internet. I would think that people should act accordingly when they interact with the internet especially as it becomes so interlinked with so many things we use in our daily lives.

Not a chance, I'm up for competition but there is no way I'm using Bing as my main search engine.

MS have created Bing as a last resort, they didn't want the Internet in its present form and if MSN had taken off originally it would be quite different now. Microsoft have some good software and hardware (I use both) but I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Google and privacy does not mix.

Seriously does no one find it weird that something that was originally a search engine now:

- Does email
- GPS (with cameras all around you)
- New internet OS
- Holds your documents
- Has a mobile OS
- Manages your voice mail/phone numbers
- I believe holds your medical information
- Tells you how much energy you are using
- and many more

Not just a little freaky?

No for sure. In a world where traditional desktop PCs didnt exist and everything was on the cloud, the Gov't could easily mine all this for whatever purpose. Privacy on the nets would be a thing of the past.

They already mine most router traffic right, at least they've not got rootkits on our PCs.

It seems people don't care about privacy anymore. Privacy is one of those things that only old stupid people want...

I wonder what our privacy-less future will look like. I'm not one who wants to live in it though.

mattbiernat said,
wait till google controls the government

Well, with all the political "donations" they make, you never know who's on their payroll.

I use both at the same time, and for google I use an extension called Customize Google... I personally like both equally. Since Bing is 'newer', I would say it has potential to be better. MSN search always sucked, and now it doesn't.

I'll always use Google, it just seems so much more simple to Bing.

It seems a little bit like comparing Windows Live Mail to Gmail, I switched to Gmail and haven't looked back since. Windows Live is atrocious at just about every aspect of using webmail.

Question... I have Google's "Web History" set to "Paused", meaning they aren't keeping track of my searches. Is this setting actually meaningless and my searches ARE tracked and associated with my Google account? I certainly hope if you specify and configure your privacy settings they are honored!

They still track you and your account, web history is only for your benefit. Only difference is you don't see it listed when you pause. You delete something from Google, it's still there, you just don't see it on your screen.

I don't have an account, so I can't be sure.. but try this: search for nytimes.. and you see www.nytimes.com/ with Todays Paper, Opinion, Sports, Business etc.

Url for Todays paper:
http://www.google.nl/url?q=http://www.nyti...s4GBTTU9QgdUv7g

Same thing but now at Bing:
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/todayspaper/index.html


So they do something with it Note that this is not for the normal searches, just those links below the actual site.. (don't know how to say it..)

mozilla is just trying to get back at google because of chrome, so they are using the "google knows all your info".

people like you scare me the most... everyone says "I don't have anything to hide", ofcourse you do..
Please give your email and password, so we can all read your mails; you don't have anything to hide do you?
Are you religious? have any diseases? where do you live/work? could we have your bank records? what sites do you visit (yes also those 18+ sites ;))

Or Do You Have Something To Hide??

Brammie2118 said,
people like you scare me the most... everyone says "I don't have anything to hide", ofcourse you do..
Please give your email and password, so we can all read your mails; you don't have anything to hide do you?
Are you religious? have any diseases? where do you live/work? could we have your bank records? what sites do you visit (yes also those 18+ sites ;))

Or Do You Have Something To Hide??

+1

Brammie2118 said,
people like you scare me the most... everyone says "I don't have anything to hide", ofcourse you do..
Please give your email and password, so we can all read your mails; you don't have anything to hide do you?
Are you religious? have any diseases? where do you live/work? could we have your bank records? what sites do you visit (yes also those 18+ sites ;))

Or Do You Have Something To Hide??

Sounds like some people are just embarrassed. I have plenty of porn scattered all over my desktop and videos all over my room, so what? I really have nothing to hide. I am not a criminal...

oh wait... I think I downloaded an mp3 in 2002. Can they recover that?

ok, so you have some dirty pictures on your pc and you're not embarrased by that.. Still; how about the other things emails/bank records/where do you live/work? etc.

I am not saying you have to be a criminal when you want to hide something/want some privacy; some things are just for you and when you want other to know about it, You tell them :)

about your mp3, I have around 250 mp3s here and around 330gb of movies/tv series on my pc; as long as it's legal, I keep downloading


I don't get embarrassed easily. But I can appreciate others might, certainly some are very private, and that's fine. But I still don't see the problem. If you haven't broken the law, you'll probably never know the difference between privacy and no privacy.

Bing all de way for me from now on. Its faster smarter, and better privacy policy as wel compare to google.

Just switched to bing lately, and am loving it!

Shahed said,
Just switched to bing lately, and am loving it!

+1. I changed to Bing a day after Eric's comments. Haven't found any reason to switch back.

I'll bet Ballmer is already getting cash out of the MSFT vault to hand to Mozilla and have them default their search to Bing from now on.

Google is not the problem, the Patriot Act (and HADOPI in France) is. Their is no problem in Canada if the police have a warrant to ask google for specific information (I would not be surprised if law change to the worst in the future though). Country law that violate privacy rights are the real problem.

Yeah, because everyone in the world wants to know what I am searching for in the internet! EVERYONE! I'm sooo important, and I'm gonna be so embarrassed when the local TV station reports what *I* have been searching for...


Please, give me a break. The people I know of that could care don't have access to that info, and they never will. And if they would, they'd only have an IP address. Good luck linking that to me...

Ya, but then Google decided to make their own browser, so now members of the Uptight Firefox community feel betrayed as anyone that uses anything other than FF is some kind of idiot..

Reason enough for me to never used FF for anything other than Web Development.. I used to think Linux users were the worst for treating anyone new to Linux, or not using Linux, like Dirt.. then FF came around and it took on a while new level of a superiority complex.

*Not saying ALL Linux or FF users are like that, but the vocal minority is.

Ryoken said,
Ya, but then Google decided to make their own browser, so now members of the Uptight Firefox community feel betrayed as anyone that uses anything other than FF is some kind of idiot..

Reason enough for me to never used FF for anything other than Web Development.. I used to think Linux users were the worst for treating anyone new to Linux, or not using Linux, like Dirt.. then FF came around and it took on a while new level of a superiority complex.

*Not saying ALL Linux or FF users are like that, but the vocal minority is.

Well, I'm of the opinion that everyone can use whatever they personally prefer.

But I think a lot of Firefox users dislike Google's Chrome because of how shady Google was with its release. They didn't even tell Mozilla they were working on it and just dropped support of Mozilla and released Chrome... Mozilla found out when we found out... Not a great way of doing business.

The day I switch to bing is the day Google closes it's doors (as if)... Bing has nothing to offer for to me but the fancy daily background

Ya, i dont plan on changing to bing because some mozilla exec told me to, although i used chrome more than i use firefox these days.

Ricksterm said,
The day I switch to bing is the day Google closes it's doors (as if)... Bing has nothing to offer for to me but the fancy daily background

Well, if you personally prefer Google, everyone has an opinion and personal tastes. If it's just because you're anti Bing or anti Microsoft, that's just silly. lol

I think Schmidt and Dolzler try to compete on who will make the most stupid statement... Schmidt's comments were really bad, but asking to switch to Bing sounds like a sore loser response. As stated above, Microsoft does not have by far a better track record at privacy.

Max1978 said,
MS does have better privacy policies, read Hotmail vs GMail User Agreements.

When DoJ asked for their records in 2006 MS and Yahoo gave them up... when Google opposed the request. I guess it depends what privacy protection you do expect.

Eric Schmidt = Hypocrite

One must also consider Mr. Schmidt's own demands for personal privacy. Mr. Schmidt banned CNET, one of the top tech news sites on the web, from Google for an entire year for publishing information about the CEO, including his salary; his neighborhood, some of his hobbies and political donations. Where did CNET find this info? From none other than Google itself.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17069

Did he have something to hide? Apparently he must have had. Mr. Schmidt sees all of us as fair game, and himself as off limits... big baby.

Maybe as a "Top Tech new Site" they should have tried to report news, and not fluff ?

Not saying banning cnet was right, it was a childish act, but that being said the story was garbage and has no place being called "News" ..
How much he gets paid, maybe news.. His neighborhood, Hobbies, Political Donations ? That's trash, in ALL cases and peoples.

Ryoken said,
His neighborhood, Hobbies, Political Donations ? That's trash, in ALL cases and peoples.

I'm pretty sure that political donations are important to know, especially since we can look at how those donations might affect how Google is treated by said officials.

Neighborhood, I'd agree with you.

Hobbies, in most cases, are also fairly unimportant, I would think.

This is no big surprise, considering Google has not done them any favours in the past two years.

They completely supported Firefox for a long time, then the moment Chrome came out completely done a U-turn and drops them like a stone.

stevember said,
This is no big surprise, considering Google has not done them any favours in the past two years.

They completely supported Firefox for a long time, then the moment Chrome came out completely done a U-turn and drops them like a stone.

And didn't tell them about Chrome until everyone else knew... It was shady.

The thing is, people like Google for its simplicity, friendly user interface and the fact that it selects the right results. Bing is bloated and in my opinion, horrible to use.

James Brooks said,
The thing is, people like Google for its simplicity, friendly user interface and the fact that it selects the right results. Bing is bloated and in my opinion, horrible to use.

are you referring to iGoogle?

Bing sucks in search results and sheer funtionality. The little things on Google like "Did you mean", recognising addresses, numbers, tracking number,etc... provide so much over bing

Remote Sojourner said,
The little things on Google like "Did you mean", recognising addresses, numbers, tracking number,etc... provide so much over bing

Bing has all those, and much more.

Remote Sojourner said,
Bing sucks in search results and sheer funtionality. The little things on Google like "Did you mean", recognising addresses, numbers, tracking number,etc... provide so much over bing

See... this is the problem. People spew off features for product after product (i.e., Google) that "competitors don't have" but they are so blind to competitors... they should just do the world a favor if they just shut their mouth instead of rant unintelligently.

James Brooks said,
The thing is, people like Google for its simplicity, friendly user interface and the fact that it selects the right results. Bing is bloated and in my opinion, horrible to use.

Actually, people use Google for the same reasons people use Windows and buy iPods: That's what they've used for years and they see no compelling reason to change.

lordcanti86 said,
Actually, people use Google for the same reasons people use Windows and buy iPods: That's what they've used for years and they see no compelling reason to change.

Yahoo was also used for years but still was defeated by Google.

JonathanMarston said,
Bing has all those, and much more.

Exactly. People that complain that Bing gives horrible results or doesn't have features have clearly not used it much. It's a shame. One person says it's bloated with features, the next says it doesn't have any... I feel I'm missing something. LOL

Solid Knight said,
Why would you care about bloat on an service you don't install locally?

faster page loads?

that's ultimately why i like Google more than Bing simply because it's quick to load (about as quick as possibly can be) and just works well.

so based on that it's unlikely ill be ditching google for bing (or anything else for that matter) anytime in the foreseeable future.

EDIT: i was just messing with bing and it does seem to have some fairly cool features like when searching for random videos you can highlight the video and it will play in it's small windows etc etc which i suppose could be cool for some people but i think when i am just trying to find some random article or random thing online that google is still better simply because it's 'lighter' (especially for those who aint got lightning fast internet connections and would rather have the speed) and just gives you some search results..... but i guess it's mostly the simplicity of google that makes it nice with it's very quick initial page load that gives google in the advantage in the speed dept although i suppose features bing will probably win.

Glendi said,
Yahoo was also used for years but still was defeated by Google.

If I remember correctly Yahoo outsourced their searches to Google for a while. That's how it got traction in the first place.

I've used both Bing and Google and I prefer Google, and really for some of the features that Bing has: Google innovated, and Bing imitated.

Ligan said,
I've used both Bing and Google and I prefer Google, and really for some of the features that Bing has: Google innovated, and Bing imitated.

I'm thinking of a lot of things Bing has that Google never did. And when was the last time Google invested time in improving their results page? Oh wait, they're doing that now to compete with Bing after years of nothing. And how did they choose to do that? Why to copy Bing's ability to search Twitter (One of the weaker features included in Bing IMO).

Ya because Microsoft doesn't keep anything, and they are oh so concerned with ensuing everyones privacy ...

The only Difference between MS and Google in terms of Privacy is MS Reps haven't talked honestly about it.

and that Microsoft holds itself to a higher standard...as has been shown over and over again over the decades, and whenever they DO slip up, they're called on it instead of having apologists show up in droves to protect glorious Google from mean ol' Mozilla from saying mean things about them.

AgentGray said,
and that Microsoft holds itself to a higher standard...as has been shown over and over again over the decades, and whenever they DO slip up, they're called on it instead of having apologists show up in droves to protect glorious Google from mean ol' Mozilla from saying mean things about them.
Higher Standard.. ala Not saying anything, then when it leaks say sorry.. rather than be upfront with what they do and have people bitch over it..

Wonder if MS would offer Mozilla a search deal that is sweeter then the Google one even though they have competing browsers, just to get the search market though?

Don't think so. Google is way more popular in the free software industry. However, I do not say Microsoft isn't popular. They are working on it a lot. :-)

I'm waiting for **** to hit the fan and google to drop firefox (or vice verse). Microsoft will come in and buy "sponsor" Mozilla. While slowing down development on their own web browser, and thus the unofficial Microsoft/Mozilla Collaborated Firefox is born.

neufuse said,
Wonder if MS would offer Mozilla a search deal that is sweeter then the Google one even though they have competing browsers, just to get the search market though?

I think at this point, with Microsoft trying to get as much market share in the search market as they can, Mozilla could probably get a pretty good deal from them... Hopefully they'll make the switch. I'm beginning to dislike some of Google's nonsense. To release a competing browser when you have a business relationship with someone like Mozilla was very low.

except for when it was going to stop them from doing business in china, then they were perfectly happy to give away data that lead to the (continued) arrest of dissidents...but hey, microsoft turning in data on wanted and court-authorized criminals is totally equivalent, right?

He does mention Bing, at the end of his post as stated at the end of the post above, "Yes, Bing does have a better privacy policy than Google"

And he's absolutely right about Google's attitude I think.

If you go this his blog you can see that he elaborates on all this, and even suggests that Firefox should move to Bing foar its search integration revenue. If firefox were in bed with Microsoft like that.... well the browser would would just seem upside down!

TRC said,
Really, I have always hated that "if you have nothing to hide why do you care" attitude about privacy.

me to, everyone has something to hide, may not be illegal, but something to hide

Diabolii said,
me to, everyone has something to hide, may not be illegal, but something to hide

wonder what Eric Schmidt would think if we were given access to his email and phone conversations... He wouldn't be endorsing his own privacy policy

zagor said,
wonder what Eric Schmidt would think if we were given access to his email and phone conversations... He wouldn't be endorsing his own privacy policy

Of course he wouldn't.

It's really no big secret that Google does massive data mining and doesn't give the slightest damn about privacy. This not only concerns the Google search engine, but even more so Chrome, where they collect not only a list of the sites you visited but also claim ownership of every email, every forum post, every blog entry and everything else you do in Chrome for later use to do with however they please and sell the profiles created from you to whoever wants them.
Whoever is using Chrome agreed to this massive data mining and sale to others in Chrome's Licence Agreement:
http://gizmodo.com/5044871/google-chrome-e...posts-to-emails

Like MS doesn't do the same thing Google does. Guess what happens when you're logged into your Live account?

I can't believe Asa Dolzler is this naive. What's the matter with all you!? If you don't care about privacy fine, but why do you deny that corporations are spying on you? LOL, most of the internet is built around data theft and targeted advertising!

toadeater said,
Like MS doesn't do the same thing Google does. Guess what happens when you're logged into your Live account?

I can't believe Asa Dolzler is this naive. What's the matter with all you!? If you don't care about privacy fine, but why do you deny that corporations are spying on you? LOL, most of the internet is built around data theft and targeted advertising!

There's a huge chance they don't do it. But we already know Google does it because the CEO already said it. Your thinking is very naive.

Diabolii said,
me to, everyone has something to hide, may not be illegal, but something to hide

For me, I'm not hiding anything - I just don't want people looking into me and my own business. I don't call that hiding, I call it requesting others to mind their own business.