Mozilla responds to media speculation over board resignations

Mozilla has published a blog post to clarify the reasons behind the resignation of recently appointed CEO Brendan Eich and the board members of the company, after it was revealed that Brendan had donated money to anti-gay marriage funds in the past.

Over the last few weeks, Mozilla has been in hot water for appointing Brendan Eich as their CEO who was found to be a donor towards anti-gay marriage funds. Soon after the news first broke, there was outcry from users on social networks. OkCupid, a dating website, even went as far as recommending users to boycott Mozilla's Firefox browser. It was reported that half of Mozilla's board resigned as a result of Brendan's appointment. Now, Mozilla has finally responded to these claims from the media and pointed out the inaccuracies and have cleared their stance on gay marriage.

According to Mozilla's blog, Brendan Eich was not forced to resign and did not step down out of employee pressure as well. Eich, who has been a founding member of Mozilla, decided to leave the company on his own to prevent any damage to the Foundation's mission of a free and open web. Mozilla's board members who resigned following Brendan's appointment had planned to do so well before the CEO appointment, and the matter is said to be unrelated altogether.

Concluding the post, Mozilla has assured users of their products that they remain committed to marriage equality and have been contributors to same sex marriage groups.

Source: Mozilla

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The gay people like to pretend they are the opressed, when the truth is they are the thugs doing the opressing, like what they did here.

People have every right to disagree with gay marriage, especially if it goes against their religion.

Mozilla apprently thinks we are stupid about what happened. If I was that guy, I would consider a lawsuit.

jd100 said,
People have every right to disagree with gay marriage, especially if it goes against their religion

And other people have every right to say "your a fascist blowhard who needs to keep your religion out of state and federal law"

jd100 said,
Mozilla apprently thinks we are stupid about what happened. If I was that guy, I would consider a lawsuit.

Yeah its right there in title ii of the civil rights act nobody can be fired for the stupid #### they do... Oh wait

i don't understand what is the problem with him speaking his mind!! .. i mean he believe married it should be between Man and Woman the way it should be. .. just look it this way if you wasn't for your Mother and Father not even ones of us will be Here. tell me this is not true>?

Gaara sama said,
i don't understand what is the problem with him speaking his mind!! .. i mean he believe married it should be between Man and Woman the way it should be. .. just look it this way if you wasn't for your Mother and Father not even ones of us will be Here. tell me this is not true>?

How about we vote on your rights ? You'll get it then.

Gaara sama said,
i don't understand what is the problem with him speaking his mind!! .. i mean he believe married it should be between Man and Woman the way it should be. .. just look it this way if you wasn't for your Mother and Father not even ones of us will be Here. tell me this is not true>?

Because he's a ####ing bigot maybe?

I suppose the question I have is the same as after the duck dynasty crap are the people claiming this is somehow bullying just being clever apologists (because opposing marriage equality is an untenable position now) and therefore are trying the "tolerance" word salad or are they really this stupid ?

It certainly sounds like cleverly constructed word games, deliberately confusing laws preventing being fired for being gay with laws preventing being fired for saying stupid ####.

By the same logic a gay person would be protected from termination if he went up to the bosses son and asked him if he would like his fist shoved....

So full retard or clever apologetics ill leave you to decide.

Gay mafia sure has a lot of support from government and media. The lack of neutrality confirms an agenda. Homosexuals demand tolerance and yet show absolutely none themselves, so I went from being somewhat supportive to "kiss my ass".

This is basically my point. People should be allowed to have their opinions, period. Unless he
made business decisions based on his belief this should have been a NON-Issue.

To force a person out of job is unforgivable, Mozilla deserve any fallout they get.

Hahaiah said,
Homosexuals demand tolerance

Demand the same rights as straight people

Hahaiah said,
and yet show absolutely none themselves

Really who's rights have they removed ? The right to say stupid #### and not get fired ? Yeah that doesn't exist.

"stupid" is subjective, much like I see your comment. If you don't see the bigger problem here, then you're exactly what they've been working so hard towards.

Hahaiah said,
"stupid" is subjective, much like I see your comment. If you don't see the bigger problem here, then you're exactly what they've been working so hard towards.

Call me back when you can cite a single right that is being removed here, Preferably one that ACTULLY EXSISTS! then you will have a point!

If he was gay and donated to a group like English First the same thing would have happened.

Hahaiah said,
Seriously? C'mon man, open your eyes. It couldn't me more obvious.

continued... But I aint gunna name it because I know how stupid itll make me look to demand The right to say stupid #### and not get fired .

Just think how you might feel if you got fired tomorrow for something you said outside of work ten years ago. Homosexuals scream and yell about how their lives outside of work shouldn't matter and then get this guy fired. The "yeah, but"s don't cut it. Get it?

Hahaiah said,
Just think how you might feel if you got fired tomorrow for something you said outside of work ten years ago.

If I donate money to deprive others of their rights id do it myself.

Hahaiah said,
Homosexuals scream and yell about how their lives outside of work shouldn't matter

About how they shouldn't be fired for being gay not for the stupid #### they say, if Brendan was gay and had donated money to "English First " or "Youth for Western Civilization" the same thing would have happened so theres nothing special about this.

Hahaiah said,
Gay mafia sure has a lot of support from government and media. The lack of neutrality confirms an agenda. Homosexuals demand tolerance and yet show absolutely none themselves, so I went from being somewhat supportive to "kiss my ass".

Dont let OKCupids action speak for all of us. Im gay, and i wasnt happy with what they did. Unless I should judge all of your kind based on the actions of Michelle Bauchmann or Westboro baptists?

Hahaiah said,
I guess you only have respect for the first amendment if it's something you agree with. Great work.

Wow this is why I posted the comment below because I have no idea if you are being intentionally dishonest by ignoring the fact that the first amendment has precisely dick to do with this case or you really believe this nonsense.

The first amendment says nothing about your boss firing your ass for the stupid #### you say its about the government.

And I just gave you an example of how the exact same thing would have happened if it were a gay person donating to an anti immigrant group. In that case it would also be acceptable to fire his ass,

Facepalm;

TPreston said,

Call me back when you can cite a single right that is being removed here, Preferably one that ACTULLY EXSISTS! then you will have a point!.

The right to make a political choice. He made a choice by donating to an organization, which is legal, but is now punished for it. Hence, his right to political representation without repercussion is being denied.

gaburko said,

The right to make a political choice. He made a choice by donating to an organization, which is legal, but is now punished for it. Hence, his right to political representation without repercussion is being denied.

When I said "preferably one that actually exists" I didn't mean it was optional lol

let's just all agree, the real reason why he should be CEO is the fact he is the creator of the worse language in history: javascript.

neonspark said,
let's just all agree, the real reason why he should be CEO is the fact he is the creator of the worse language in history: javascript.
If only you knew how to properly use the language you dissed others with...

i support his personal views. He did the right thing. Imagine you and your kid walking and he asks you: DAD/MOM why are those man kissing and touching? oh, they love each other. Than the kid starts to kiss his friends because he loves them.

lol, same can be said otherwise. He begins kissing his girl friends because he loves them. Homosexuality is not abnormal.

Homosexuality IS abnormal. There's no denying that the anus was designed by mother nature as an exit only, not as an entrance.

However, we as a thinking and tolerant species have (rightfully) decided to let people live their lives as they wish as long as they dont interfere / create problems for the rest. Lets start calling things as they are.

gaburko said,
Homosexuality IS abnormal. There's no denying that the anus was designed by mother nature as an exit only, not as an entrance.

However, we as a thinking and tolerant species have (rightfully) decided to let people live their lives as they wish as long as they dont interfere / create problems for the rest. Lets start calling things as they are.

There are country in which you can get arrested for saying something like this. Tolerance in the year 2014

Heartripper said,

There are country in which you can get arrested for saying something like this. Tolerance in the year 2014

Really? Name one.

gaburko said,
Homosexuality IS abnormal. There's no denying that the anus was designed by mother nature as an exit only, not as an entrance.

Using nature as a definition what is normal and abnormal is flawed, because we as humans has defiened "normality" based on our culture in all other aspects of life.

And not only that, "mother nature" is not a fixed creation, it is evolutionary, i.e. species and parts change meaning thru time. And also mankind has changed nature repetatly thru history.

So if you are going to argue about what is normal and abnormal, please at least define humans as abnormal as a creation because we where created by evolution.

And lastly your definition makes tumors normal.

gaburko said,
Homosexuality IS abnormal. There's no denying that the anus was designed by mother nature as an exit only, not as an entrance.
10/10 :D

More proof: look at animals, or even plants (that require a female and male to be present). Nature is full of it.

Heartripper said,

There are country in which you can get arrested for saying something like this. Tolerance in the year 2014

I'm sorry to tell you this, but countries who practice Islam would agree with the quote, in 2014. You can get arrested for publicly making the point that you believe otherwise and that the Quran is wrong. In actual fact, not arrested, but beaten or whipped.

gaburko said,
Homosexuality IS abnormal. There's no denying that the anus was designed by mother nature as an exit only, not as an entrance.

However, we as a thinking and tolerant species have (rightfully) decided to let people live their lives as they wish as long as they dont interfere / create problems for the rest. Lets start calling things as they are.


You do know sex is only part of homosexuality, actual attraction and love is the real part. You don't have to stick anything up there if you're gay, and you don't need to be gay to stick anything up there or to stick it up there.

68k said,
10/10 :D

More proof: look at animals, or even plants (that require a female and male to be present). Nature is full of it.


And what about all the animals and plants that can self reproduce have no males or females, have hermaphrodites or where the male can change into a female and all are born male and so on and so on.

Heck most plants require a ménage a trios with a different species to reproduce... Now that's some kinky stuff.

fetbaffe said,

And not only that, "mother nature" is not a fixed creation, it is evolutionary, i.e. species and parts change meaning thru time. And also mankind has changed nature repetatly thru history..


So your anus could evolve into being both on the input and output side based on its usage? Such phenomenal nonsense and ignorance...you should really have failed basic biology

68k said,
..... More proof: look at animals....

Yes homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom too.
Penguins and certain primates off the top of my head.

With penguins, they act as surrogate parents when the real parents get eaten or otherwise die.

Edited by deadonthefloor, Apr 10 2014, 4:43pm :

gaburko said,

So your anus could evolve into being both on the input and output side based on its usage? Such phenomenal nonsense and ignorance...you should really have failed basic biology

Sure, make up what I said so it can fit your argument.

But instead read what I wrote, I wrote evolution not usage.

Instead of doing gimicks answer me this, is everything thas happens in nature normal?

You can argue that homosexually is abnormal if you have a cultural perspective (like in any of the big religions).

But to argue from a "mother nature" perspective is just nonsense, the are no "normal" or "abnormal" i nature.

If you do you would for instance accept to die from anthrax (normal in "mother nature") but it would be abnormal to accept the cure.

Edited by fetbaffe, Apr 10 2014, 5:58pm :

fetbaffe said,

Instead of doing gimicks answer me this, is everything thas happens in nature normal?

As I already said, but you prefer to write instead of read, no, not everything in nature is normal. We, humans, are part of nature. And no, homosexuality is not normal from a biological sense as the anus is designed as a one-way-street. It is normal from a cultural perspective as we have evolved to be a tolerant and inclusive species rather than an exclusive one. This is good. Its bad, when vocal minorities create noise and drive the agenda of the whole society under the umbrella of political correctness. And as they are a minority, whoever disagrees is attacking them. How come no one is shouting about the rights of middle-class dads with two kids (myself), which, trust me, have waaaay more problems than, say, a gay couple in California*

*China, Russia, etc. are a different topic. They are a different topic as the gay and lesbian community did not and cannot pressure these countries to change. Hence, to show activism they are overly active precisely where they are protected. Now, do you get the issue or still you need to evolve more?

gaburko said,

As I already said, but you prefer to write instead of read, no, not everything in nature is normal. We, humans, are part of nature. And no, homosexuality is not normal from a biological sense as the anus is designed as a one-way-street. It is normal from a cultural perspective as we have evolved to be a tolerant and inclusive species rather than an exclusive one. This is good. Its bad, when vocal minorities create noise and drive the agenda of the whole society under the umbrella of political correctness. And as they are a minority, whoever disagrees is attacking them. How come no one is shouting about the rights of middle-class dads with two kids (myself), which, trust me, have waaaay more problems than, say, a gay couple in California*

*China, Russia, etc. are a different topic. They are a different topic as the gay and lesbian community did not and cannot pressure these countries to change. Hence, to show activism they are overly active precisely where they are protected. Now, do you get the issue or still you need to evolve more?

I see you are ignoring my earlier post and keep focusing on Gay people as if the only thing they do is have anal sex and that being gay is only about anal sex. when the sex isn't what makes you gay in the first place.

instead of repeating your false arguments, why not read my earlier post and give some actual arguments that isn't just rehashing your anal sex is wrong, point.

HawkMan said,

I see you are ignoring my earlier post and keep focusing on Gay people as if the only thing they do is have anal sex

I ignore it as its an irrelevant post with zero value-add. As you insist, let me respond. You claim that gay people are not defined by the way they have sex and all of them are in a platonic relationship that doesn't involve lust. This is phenomenal rubbish and i have not intention to waste my time with such non-sense. Heterosexual / homosexual is defined by what turns you on. Period.

gaburko said,

And no, homosexuality is not normal from a biological sense as the anus is designed as a one-way-street.

As Hawkman already said, homosexuality is not about anal sex. Heterosexual couples also have anal sex. Are they homosexual too?

This proofs my point, you are mixing up a cultural argument with the argument about nature. Please stick to one.

gaburko said,

Its bad, when vocal minorities create noise and drive the agenda of the whole society under the umbrella of political correctness. And as they are a minority, whoever disagrees is attacking them. How come no one is shouting about the rights of middle-class dads with two kids (myself), which, trust me, have waaaay more problems than, say, a gay couple in California*

What has that to do with anything? We are discussing nature now, not political correctness, minorties or whatever.

You are (trying) to make an argument about what is normal in nature and I disagreee with that argument.

If you made argument from the perspective of some moral belief about what is abnormal what isn't, I would not argue against you, because morals is just subjective (even though I would not agree with it).

But you are putting your moral values into nature where there is none. No, you do not define morality of nature.

And even if the anus function is to eject extrecment there is no morals in it. It is not that it is crime against nature to put anything in there. What more in that case would be a crime against nature? Put earings into an earlobe beacause there is no hole there? Abnormal pacemakers?

fetbaffe said,

Heterosexual couples also have anal sex. Are they homosexual too?

When was the last time you saw "the heterosexual group of anal sex lovers" to ask for the resignation of someone who didnt agree with them? Its not about whats normal or not normal, i already said this is part of what makes us humans. The problem is when this is pushed to an extreme and a minority group abuses its rights to drive its agenda.

This is a classical problem of modern western civilization with its overzealous protection of minority groups under the motto of political correctness. A organized and vocal minority is more effective than a disorganized majority.

gaburko said,

I ignore it as its an irrelevant post with zero value-add. As you insist, let me respond. You claim that gay people are not defined by the way they have sex and all of them are in a platonic relationship that doesn't involve lust. This is phenomenal rubbish and i have not intention to waste my time with such non-sense. Heterosexual / homosexual is defined by what turns you on. Period.

Your view on homosexuality as anal sex only asumes homosexuality is male on male, not female on female. That speaks volumes.

gaburko said,

When was the last time you saw "the heterosexual group of anal sex lovers" to ask for the resignation of someone who didnt agree with them?

Oh I don't know paula deen ?

gaburko said,
The problem is when this is pushed to an extreme and a minority group abuses its rights to drive its agenda.

Yeah I remember when that happened in the 60s which gave us the horrific civil rights act. /s

"This is a classical problem of modern western civilization with its overzealous protection of minority groups under the motto of political correctness. A organized and vocal minority is more effective than a disorganized majority."

I think youll find that you are now the minority im America.

also lol@ you backtracking from your appeal to nature argument too funny.

Like shooting fish in a barrel.

gaburko said,

When was the last time you saw "the heterosexual group of anal sex lovers" to ask for the resignation of someone who didnt agree with them? Its not about whats normal or not normal, i already said this is part of what makes us humans. The problem is when this is pushed to an extreme and a minority group abuses its rights to drive its agenda.

This is a classical problem of modern western civilization with its overzealous protection of minority groups under the motto of political correctness. A organized and vocal minority is more effective than a disorganized majority.

Why do you think I agree with the bullying of Brendan Eich? I don't. I think that was wrong. You can hint that in my fist answer in this post about people assuming Eich's personal views. We don't know them and there are no proof that he mistreated any employee based on sexual orientation.

I'm seriously considering switching browser after this. And to be clear, I'm for gay rights, but I'm not for bullying.

However, you made an argument what is abnormal in nature. That was what I arguing against.

gaburko said,

When was the last time you saw "the heterosexual group of anal sex lovers" to ask for the resignation of someone who didnt agree with them? Its not about whats normal or not normal, i already said this is part of what makes us humans. The problem is when this is pushed to an extreme and a minority group abuses its rights to drive its agenda.

This is a classical problem of modern western civilization with its overzealous protection of minority groups under the motto of political correctness. A organized and vocal minority is more effective than a disorganized majority.

Just as an follow up.

Sure, you can make that argument. And if you made that from the start I would probably not replied to you, because I agree on most parts of that. That is an actual problem when small influential groups use bullying, scare tactics and threats to force their will and subvert the democratic process. Which what they did here.

But please tone down the anti-gay rhetoric. Don't confuse the respect for gays with the gay establishment ("gay maffia"). People will start agreeing more with you if you do that. Just a tip.

fetbaffe said,

Sure, you can make that argument. And if you made that from the start I would probably not replied to you

Again - READ. Look at my very first post in this thread. Its a copy-paste of the above. But then again, people prefer to react to a word, not to a message.

When you say "please tone down on the anti-gay rhetoric" i ask "why"? Whats wrong with liking or disliking something? I like pizza, dont like pasta, i like barcelona, i dont like real madrid, i like europe, i dont like america. Since when liking and disliking are a problem?

gaburko said,

I ignore it as its an irrelevant post with zero value-add. As you insist, let me respond. You claim that gay people are not defined by the way they have sex and all of them are in a platonic relationship that doesn't involve lust. This is phenomenal rubbish and i have not intention to waste my time with such non-sense. Heterosexual / homosexual is defined by what turns you on. Period.

And just as there are girls who don't like Anal, there are gays who never does anal cause they don't like it.

it's a more valid point that any you made. in fact it's very valid since it's the point YOU yourself keeps bringing it up. but when someone else proves you it's a worthless point it's irrelevant and has zero value ? does that mean your posts are irrelevant and have zero value ? why, yes it does.

Also whole you did finally reply to my post, you only replied to like 1/10th of it. Sure you didn't do a very good job at even that so I'll just assume you kept ignoring the rest cause you couldn't come up with any counter arguments to the rest. even terrible faulty ones like you did with this point.

gaburko said,

Again - READ. Look at my very first post in this thread. Its a copy-paste of the above. But then again, people prefer to react to a word, not to a message.

When you say "please tone down on the anti-gay rhetoric" i ask "why"? Whats wrong with liking or disliking something? I like pizza, dont like pasta, i like barcelona, i dont like real madrid, i like europe, i dont like america. Since when liking and disliking are a problem?


Your analogy fails because he donated money to make gay people second class citizens in California that's not a difference of opinion or preference;

gaburko said,

Again - READ. Look at my very first post in this thread. Its a copy-paste of the above. But then again, people prefer to react to a word, not to a message.

When you say "please tone down on the anti-gay rhetoric" i ask "why"? Whats wrong with liking or disliking something? I like pizza, dont like pasta, i like barcelona, i dont like real madrid, i like europe, i dont like america. Since when liking and disliking are a problem?

You don't have to like gays or be gay to think that they deserve the same rights as the rest of us. Heck I don't want to see to bearded bikers make out on the street. Arguably it's not suited for a young hetero couple either. but f one can then the others should be able to. And I will just have to look another way.

TPreston said,

Your analogy fails because he donated money to make gay people second class citizens in California that's not a difference of opinion or preference;

Was this motion LEGAL? It was. He donated money to it and is now being punished. As i said below, his legal right for political representation without repercussion is being denied.

HawkMan said,
but f one can then the others should be able to. And I will just have to look another way.

You see bikers, you dont like them, you turn the other way. You see gay people, you dont like them, you get punished. Thats the moral of the story. Gays are being put on a pedestal as some kind of special breed that needs special protection, special attention as they are more frail and precious than the rest. Thats the problem

gaburko said,

Again - READ. Look at my very first post in this thread. Its a copy-paste of the above. But then again, people prefer to react to a word, not to a message.

So why did you then do the completely flawed argument about nature?

And messages consists of words.

gaburko said,

When you say "please tone down on the anti-gay rhetoric" i ask "why"? Whats wrong with liking or disliking something? I like pizza, dont like pasta, i like barcelona, i dont like real madrid, i like europe, i dont like america. Since when liking and disliking are a problem?

You can dislike things, even gays. But why take that message to other people? I don't care about your likes and dislikes. I care about facts and your argument about nature was flawed.

And is obvious that it was anti-gay rhetoric when in your mind homosexuality is only anal sex, i.e. male on male, when there is female on female or male on female who does the same thing.

If you are going to be consistent you should argue against all anal sex.

fetbaffe said,
You can dislike things, even gays. But why take that message to other people? I don't care about your likes and dislikes. I care about facts and your argument about nature was flawed.

Much more important is who has the power. I can dislike, but i am powerless. Gays are powerful as they can strip you out of your job because you dislike them. Its not about intention, its about capability. All your other rubbish about "you said, but i said" is just adding unnecessary noise.

gaburko said,

Much more important is who has the power. I can dislike, but i am powerless. Gays are powerful as they can strip you out of your job because you dislike them. Its not about intention, its about capability. All your other rubbish about "you said, but i said" is just adding unnecessary noise.

So your argument is two wrongs make one right. Really?

fetbaffe said,

So your argument is two wrongs make one right. Really?

You lack of ability to understand simple and clear statements is obvious, however i will waste my time once more without having any hope that you will comprehend.

The question whether human homosexiality is normal/abnormal from a biological view is not the point (my view is that is is NOT), because from a societal point of view we have moved on and we are a society that tolerates differences and is an inclusive one. This is good and has multiple benefits. The problem is that in certain cases, we have take this to an extreme under the umbrela of political corectness. Certain minority groups, because they are organized and vocal, are able to drive the agenda, while other groups, while being majority are being held hostage. One example are the various gay organizations which act more like lobby/pressure groups rather than anything else. Because of political corectness its "wrong" to oppose them. As soon as you do, you become enemy, have a "wrong", "racist" and "intolerant" view and you are made to pay, like the example of Brendan Eich.
Kapish?

I had allready torn this rubbish apart yesterday but ill repost since the server didnt save it.

gaburko said,
You see bikers, you dont like them, you turn the other way.

No problem here


gaburko said,
You see gay people, you dont like them, you get punished.

No. Thats not what happened. You see gay people, you dont like them, You donate to a campaighn to make them second class citizans, People respond by calling you a facist blowhard who needs to keep church matters out of state and federal law and dont want to work with you.


gaburko said,
Gays are being put on a pedestal as some kind of special breed that needs special protection, special attention as they are more frail and precious than the rest. Thats the problem

Nope the same thing would happen with anyone that acted like a tool and tried to discriminate.

gaburko said,
Much more important is who has the power. I can dislike, but i am powerless. Gays are powerful as they can strip you out of your job because you dislike them.

Replace Dislike with try to make them second class citizans which lines up nicely with what happens to others like Paula Deen from the "black mafia" using your logic, Also why do you assume everyone that everyone who critized him was gay ?


gaburko said,
Certain minority groups, because they are organized and vocal, are able to drive the agenda, while other groups, while being majority are being held hostage

Held hostage ? Because people dont want to work with facist blowhards who hate their friends ?

gaburko said,
Because of political corectness its "wrong" to oppose them

Because they are Americans just like you not because of political corectness.

gaburko said,
As soon as you do, you become enemy, have a "wrong", "racist" and "intolerant" view and you are made to pay, like the example of Brendan Eich.
Kapish?

And Paula Deen etc etc etc

Let me sum it up in image form

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4ST...ligious+freedom+cartoon.jpg

AnotherITguy said,
Sad, that a vocal minority makes a circus out of one man's freedom of expression.

Spoiler: you are the minority now.

Mozilla clearly loses here.

OKCupid got the publicity. Oh, and there's news now that OKCupid's CEO donated money to a anti-gay senator.

http://uncrunched.com/2014/04/...crisy-of-sam-yagan-okcupid/

Eich has become a rallying cry against the left's totalitarian tendencies against anyone that doesn't follow its doctrine.

And Mozilla is now looked at as anti free speech.

I'm with Andrew Sullivan on this.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com...e-hounding-of-brendan-eich/

Bottom line: Why use Firefox when there's Chrome out there.

A340600 said,
Bottom line: Why use Firefox when there's Chrome out there.
You forgot IE 11 (which is on par with Chrome and Firefox)!

68k said,
You forgot IE 11 (which is on par with Chrome and Firefox)!

Not everyone uses Windows. In fact more and more people every single day don't.

A340600 said,
Bottom line: Why use Firefox when there's Chrome out there.

Why use Chrome when there's an Etch-A-Sketch out there. Might come as a shock but some people don't much care for Chrome.
CuddleVendor said,
Not everyone uses Windows. In fact more and more people every single day don't.

Market share says otherwise.

A340600 said,

Bottom line: Why use Firefox when there's Chrome out there.

Bottom Line: Why use Chrome when there`s Firefox or IE or Safari or Opera, etc out there :p

A340600 said,
And Mozilla is now looked at as anti free speech.

Freedom of speech dosnt protect you from getting fired, It protects you from not getting jailed by the government.

Based on your logic I should be able to post "i hate darkies get back to africa" so that the company is destroyed by boycotts when the media picks it up and my boss shouldn't be able to do a thing to save the company he worked so hard to create.

A340600 said,

Agreed! To quote from the link:

"If this is the gay rights movement today - hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else - then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us."

Sounds like the tables have turn the other way... we need it to stop in the middle for a balance, or we'll be back to where we were before, just with a different set of bullies.

domboy said,
If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.

The difference as you finally admitted to in the last post is that you want freedom to discriminate for christians to have a no n*ggers oh sorry that just slipped out I mean a no f*ggots policy

And they want to be protected from discrimination the two are not the same;

Wow, I love how everyone wants everyone else to be tolerant of their views. But then if someone disagree's with their views they want them fired/removed/silenced. People need to get over the fact that everyone has different views they are entitled to and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they are bad people. Political correctness is screwing over America.

jmc15john said,
Wow, I love how everyone wants everyone else to be tolerant of their views.

Nobody is asking for this, They are asking for the people to respect their right to life and the government to recognize their marriage.

jmc15john said,
Political correctness is screwing over America.

And that's that's the politically incorrect truth right there.

TPreston said,
Nobody is asking for this, They are asking for the people to respect their right to life and the government to recognize their marriage.

What about the right of someone to donate to what they believe in? Or say... refuse to make products that support something they believe is wrong? Say... the right to refuse to make a cake that supports Gay Marriage?

Where is the respect due to them?

Oh... can't have that now. Can't respect their "lifestyle choice"!!! Because it goes against the PC machines definition of what's right. Burn them alive and destroy anything they have sullied!!! BURN THEM ALIVE!!!

It's really an untenable situation as it stands. GLBT's demand respect. That means trampling the rights of others (or others who disagree with "The Agenda") to get the respect they "deserve".

How is this any better? How are these zealots any better than what's come before?

wernercd said,
What about the right of someone to donate to what they believe in?

Who stopped him donating ? Nobody point defeated.

wernercd said,
Or say... refuse to make products that support something they believe is wrong? Say... the right to refuse to make a cake that supports Gay Marriage?Where is the respect due to them?

Outlawed since the civil rights act passed, If you don't like this repeal title ii of the civil rights act knowing that you could be discriminated against next.

wernercd said,
Oh... can't have that now. Can't respect their "lifestyle choice"!!! Because it goes against the PC machines definition of what's right. Burn them alive and destroy anything they have sullied!!! BURN THEM ALIVE!!!?

They would be treated the same way as a person opposing an inter-racial marriage.

wernercd said,
It's really an untenable situation as it stands. GLBT's demand respect.

Respect ? Nobody demands that ? They are demanding the same protection straight people have the protection from discrimination.

wernercd said,
That means trampling the rights of others (or others who disagree with "The Agenda") to get the respect they "deserve".

There is no right to discriminate, If there were we would have to legalize employment discrimination.

wernercd said,
How is this any better? How are these zealots any better than what's come before?

You mean the people who marched on Washington to outlaw employment discrimination ? Those people and the gay man that organized it ?

1. Becomes Mozilla CEO.
2. Has great plans for future. Optimistic. Will drive Mozilla forward. Technical thinker.
3. Donates to anti-gay campaign. (Fair enough, his views - everyone is free to do what they like).
4. Suddenly half of Mozilla's board just can't work with him anymore. Decide to quite their jobs over his views.
5. CEO forced to resign. Thinks it's best move (in relation to point 2 above).

CEO TRAINING EXAMPLE 2014: HOW NOT TO LOSE HALF YOUR BOARD (because people's personal views are more important than the organization itself).

1. "Half the board" didn't resign or become suddenly unable to work with him because of the donation. The members that resigned were going to do so anyway, regardless of who was appointed CEO. There were a few random lower level mozilla employees that didn't know him or work directly with him that tweeted in opposition of him because of the donation, and then the media picked up on that and turned it into a nonsense firestorm, and once it blew up everyone simply assumed the board resigned because of the donation issue. Mozilla has stated multiple times that they did not want him to resign and that the board pushed him to stay.

2. The donation was *years* ago.

3. He was not 'forced' to resign. He resigned voluntarily because of the outside pressure, not internal pressure.

Comments like this are exactly what caused this controversy in the first place, people running around spouting nonsense that isn't true.

Fully agree! We are heading in the wrong direction as a society whenever ANY vocal minority sets the agenda for the majority and goes as far as finger-pointing anyone who doesnt agree with them. Another result of the extreme lack of tolerance for other views because they are "wrong"

Business should not be mixed with personal views. Everyone has something to hide, something wich happened to them in the course of life, mistakes, because we are humans.
Now that he stepped down perhaps we might see some changes in Mozilla, changes wich could favour us the consumers.
Talking loud against gay people can get you killed or break your company/familly. Third Reich already.

Decebalvs Rex said,
Talking loud against gay people can get you killed or break your company/familly. Third Reich already.
Hmmm... the number of people killed because they are gay vs the number of people killed because they 'talk loud against gay people'. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Ashamed of myself? Are you defending the freedom of speech or perhaps you find normal what happened to this guy? I understand that gay people are having problems all over the world but slamming the hetero to defend them is not the right way to fix it.
A vicious circle, eye for an eye?

Decebalvs Rex said,
Ashamed of myself? Are you defending the freedom of speech or perhaps you find normal what happened to this guy?

In case you didn't know freedom of speech doesn't protect you from being fired by your boss for saying stupid ####.

Decebalvs Rex said,
I understand that gay people are having problems all over the world but slamming the hetero

Isn't happening.

Decebalvs Rex said,
A vicious circle, eye for an eye?

A misunderstanding of what free speech entails.

Freedom cannot exist without Freedom of speech. If you are silenced thats not freedom and he was fired in retaliation and not really for stupid actions considering that years have passed since then , your argument is invalid.
"Isn't happening" is weak and obsolete, yes its happening, just above the comments section .
Its still wrong to promote and legalize gay marriage by slamming all who oppose it. Better yet, educating people would make a difference but that ain't happening.

Decebalvs Rex said,
Freedom cannot exist without Freedom of speech. If you are silenced thats not freedom and he was fired

For making Mozilla look bad! Jeez its not rocket science.

Decebalvs Rex said,
Its still wrong to promote and legalize gay marriage by slamming all who oppose it

Free Speech, Deal with it.

Decebalvs Rex said,
I understand that gay people are having problems all over the world but slamming the hetero to defend them is not the right way to fix it.
A vicious circle, eye for an eye?
I'm not aware that anyone has 'slammed the hetero'. Slamming someone who has actively supported discrimination, perhaps, but there's no anti-hetero sentiment here.

Eich wasn't forced out by the board, mozilla stated mutliple times that the board wanted him to stay. He resigned voluntarily due to the outside pressure.

Basically this is what happened:

1. He makes this donation years ago, no one really cares.

2. He gets appointed CEO of mozilla

3. Several Board members resign for reasons completely and utterly unrelated to his past prop 8 donation.

4. A few low level mozilla employees tweet in opposition of the new CEO because of the prop 8 donation. The media picks up on these, and turns it into a ####storm. people start assuming things like the board members resigned becuase of this, and that everyone at mozilla can no longer work with him etc... It was all nonsense.

5. Media ####storm filled with people spouting hyperbolic nonsense continues to spiral out of control, eich resigns voluntarily because this has significantly hampered his ability to be an effective leader.

6. Now media picks up on his resignation, and another ####storm begins because now people assume he was pushed out by the 'gay machine' or other such nonsense.

None of this is really mozilla's fault, this is a bunch of morons on either side using mozilla as a springboard for their political agenda's and arguments, mozilla and eich got got in the middle of the nonsense and screwed over, they really had no winning moves to make.

Eich is forced out. Mozilla is just trying to do damage control right now. When the news came out last week, the statement of Mozilla clearly said:
"We didn't act like you'd expect Mozilla to act. We didn't move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We're sorry."

I guess you can believe what you want. Mozilla's blog post was nothing short of damage control. I do as little as I can to support businesses that push the homosexual agenda, it's that simple. If business can simply remain neutral on such topics and concentrate on actually being a business, then I can get behind that. But I call BS on Mozilla's blog post, and this whole thing is just one more reason why I'm glad I don't use their products, and I discourage others from using them.

Robert Wade said,
I do as little as I can to support businesses that push the homosexual agenda, it's that simple.

There is no "homosexual agenda". All they want is the same rights that heterosexuals have, including the right to marry the person they love. In fact it is conservatives who have an agenda here, as they are working actively to deprive gay people of the same rights as heterosexuals - there have been numerous attempts to pass laws that would allow open discrimination against homosexuals and ban gay marriage.

As for not using Firefox, I assume you don't use Chrome, Internet Explorer or Safari either given that Google, Microsoft and Apple support gay rights? I'm interested to know which browser you use.

Except that even in Mozilla's internal network, they posted a video of them discussing the entire situation which completely agrees with the blog. This is something only viewable if you work for Mozilla or were "vouched" by another Mozillian.

ViperAFK said,
1. He makes this donation years ago, no one really cares.
No-one cared or no-one knew about it till it was made public/disseminated widely after he became CEO?

Pluto is a Planet said,
Except that even in Mozilla's internal network, they posted a video of them discussing the entire situation which completely agrees with the blog. This is something only viewable if you work for Mozilla or were "vouched" by another Mozillian.


That #### would leak in a heartbeat if it existed with that many people having access.

acrodex said,
Eich is forced out. Mozilla is just trying to do damage control right now. When the news came out last week, the statement of Mozilla clearly said:
"We didn't act like you'd expect Mozilla to act. We didn't move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We're sorry."

Robert Wade said,
I guess you can believe what you want. Mozilla's blog post was nothing short of damage control. I do as little as I can to support businesses that push the homosexual agenda, it's that simple. If business can simply remain neutral on such topics and concentrate on actually being a business, then I can get behind that. But I call BS on Mozilla's blog post, and this whole thing is just one more reason why I'm glad I don't use their products, and I discourage others from using them.

Until eich himself says he was forced out, I will take his/mozilla's word that he wasn't. I'd take his word over why he left over random internet know-it-alls. Eich stated that he voluntarily resigned.

The people saying he was pushed out because of the gay agenda or other such nonsense have no basis and truth and are just spreading paranoia based rumors.

Edited by ViperAFK, Apr 10 2014, 5:13pm :

ViperAFK said,

Until eich himself says he was forced out, I will take his/mozilla's word that he wasn't. I'd take his word over why he left over random internet know-it-alls.

The people saying he was pushed out because of the gay agenda or other such nonsense have no basis and truth and are just spreading paranoia based rumors.

Thank you for saying that, why the heck would anyone believe otherwise lmao. Why would Brendan announce that he left Mozilla and it be a lie? https://brendaneich.com/2014/04/the-next-mission/