Neowin Forums down for a bit longer

Hey guys, thanks in advance for your patience with this huge upgrade.

The servers are struggling to cope with the load due to the post conversion going on in the background. Basically the forum upgrade from 2.3.x to 3.0.5 meant that over 9 million posts needed to be converted to the new database structure. Almost everything about the post data is different from the previous version, bbcode, topic titles and a bunch of smilies aren't being rendered.

So we're going to turn the forums offline for now so that our servers don't melt. Dave is enjoying a well deserved rest and will be back later today to continue the upgrade process and hopefully sort out the load problems

Luckily the news site isn't suffering, so we don't need to disable that.

Again, thanks for your understanding and support while we iron out the remaining issues.

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Good luck getting sorted folks, you`ll get there in the end and no doubt it will be something that shouldn`t have been an `issue`...

Thanks for those of you who are continuing to be patient. We apologise for the downtime; no one more than us wants it back up, believe me! On the subject of 'Ajax bloat', disable JS if you want: the site will work fine without it, and that's been a conscious design decision throughout development. Performance tweaks will naturally occur in the coming weeks - adopting jQuery 1.4 is a good example.

I'm surprised there hasn't been an incident involving someone hurting themselves due to the forums being down... keep watching your local news.. its bound to happen :P

Here I will look at the bigger picture of what how the satellite-observed variations in Earth’s radiative budget compare to that expected from increasing carbon dioxide. Is there something that we can say about the relative roles of nature versus humanity based upon the evidence?

What we will find is evidence consistent with natural cloud variations being the dominant source of climate variability since 2000.

save it for the forums

but you can answer this , why does the us have high co2 per person at 19 tones a year? where most other developed country is only 10

Edited by master2k27, Jan 17 2010, 11:31am :

Anaron said,
500th comment!

Nah I was. lol never noticed till you posted.

Edit: I'm wrong your right, looking timeline.

Edited by stevember, Jan 17 2010, 11:49am :

I find the whole update procedure highly unprofessional. There is no way that IT Pros would make an upgrade plan that forsees downtime of almost three days!!! I really don't believe that the benefits of this upgrade justify the downtime...Very disappointing

Another thing that always bothered me and I still haven't figured it out. Why all news posting have a comments section outside of the forum? I believe it would be much better if all news items where just links to forum posts, so that comments would also be forum postings...Now all comments we make just never make it to the forum and I see an inconsistency there.

Petvas said,
I find the whole update procedure highly unprofessional. There is no way that IT Pros would make an upgrade plan that forsees downtime of almost three days!!! I really don't believe that the benefits of this upgrade justify the downtime...Very disappointing

It's free ... stop whining.

Petvas said,
Another thing that always bothered me and I still haven't figured it out. Why all news posting have a comments section outside of the forum? I believe it would be much better if all news items where just links to forum posts, so that comments would also be forum postings...Now all comments we make just never make it to the forum and I see an inconsistency there.

I do not know the reason for that but it doesn't bother me.

Well according to Murphy's law, the worst thing that can happen at a given time has to happen, and it just did with Neowin's forums. if you want my opinion, first of all it's been only two days, and second, the update is so freaking big that I KNEW it was going to take more than just one day. This will be my domain in the future to implant new things in hours after working on it for months, and it's bound to fail a lot of times at this point exactly. Database conversions, converting an old model to a newer model, etc. This is the biggest weakness in new implantations...

Conclusion : anything can happen and it just did. They're fixing the thing, just wait another day and it'll be fixed... Plus why would you ABSOLUTELY want to view the forums RIGHT NOW if you know there are no new messages because nobody can access it? It's absurd to think this way, but kind of a good reason to keep you waiting when we think about it :P

Edited by PyX, Jan 17 2010, 11:51am :

[quote=Wannes said,]
It's free ... stop whining.

It doesn't matter if it is free or not. Neowin is a platform where people discuss about technology and they also make money from all advertisements. If the downtime lasts very long then there is always the danger of people going away and not visiting Neowin. Less visitors means less money...

Edited by Petvas, Jan 17 2010, 11:30am :

Petvas said,

It doesn't matter if it is free or not. Neowin is a platform where people discuss about technology and they also make money from all advertisements. If the downtime lasts very long then there is always the danger of people going away and not visiting Neowin. Less visitors means less money...

But rushing messing it up will be worse in long run... Take Vista (Great IMHO) but see damage getting things wrong do.

Longer now better than on/off for days weeks.

Petvas said,
I find the whole update procedure highly unprofessional. There is no way that IT Pros would make an upgrade plan that forsees downtime of almost three days!!! I really don't believe that the benefits of this upgrade justify the downtime...Very disappointing

Another thing that always bothered me and I still haven't figured it out. Why all news posting have a comments section outside of the forum? I believe it would be much better if all news items where just links to forum posts, so that comments would also be forum postings...Now all comments we make just never make it to the forum and I see an inconsistency there.

well they are unpaid volunteers aren't they?

[quote=Petvas said,]

Do you click the adverts, or pay to be a subscribing member? No? Oh, in that case, you don't actually contribute a single $ to the running of this site (adverts tend to be per click rather than per impression). So, you have very little ground to stand on when demanding uptime. Yes, having this much downtime would be very unprofessional if people had actually paid for the service - but you didn't, so pipe down. The only people I see to have a right to complain are the subscribers. Although, I doubt that there's a clause anywhere in Neowin's small print that states anything about guaranteeing 100% uptime. Even 99% would warrant over 3 days solid downtime a year.

[quote=Petvas said,]

Do you click the adverts, or pay to be a subscribing member? No? Oh, in that case, you don't actually contribute a single $ to the running of this site (adverts tend to be per click rather than per impression). So, you have very little ground to stand on when demanding uptime. Yes, having this much downtime would be very unprofessional if people had actually paid for the service - but you didn't, so pipe down. The only people I see to have a right to complain are the subscribers. Although, I doubt that there's a clause anywhere in Neowin's small print that states anything about guaranteeing 100% uptime. Even 99% would warrant over 3 days solid downtime a year.

[quote=Petvas said,]

Great Point there are people here that pay for NEOWIN, are they not losing out! its true the downtime on this is very long, and amazing @ how long this is taking. I Dont think people will leave, but its starting to be abit too much!

[quote=lflashl said,]
As a subscriber i don't feel like i'm paying for neowin, just supporting a site that i feel deserves it. I don't expect anything more than a 'normal' user, anything i get is a bonus.
The update is taking a lot longer than they expected, and i am definitely missing the forums but at least the news site is live so we can get some of our neowin fix.

Two things I don't like about the new Neowin: There's nothing to show if a news article is pinned to the top like before. I thought the news wasn't updating because the top story was always this one. I think it needs an icon or something to let people know it's a sticky news post.

You have to scroll alllllll the way to the bottom to comment.

Examinus said,
Two things I don't like about the new Neowin: There's nothing to show if a news article is pinned to the top like before. I thought the news wasn't updating because the top story was always this one. I think it needs an icon or something to let people know it's a sticky news post.

You have to scroll alllllll the way to the bottom to comment.

There is a button above the first reply thats says "POST comment" that brings you to the bottom immediately

Phantom Helix said,

There is a button above the first reply thats says "POST comment" that brings you to the bottom immediately


+1. First look then shout.

so it says on neowin that it died cause of database corruption and still no news here? i think we have to face the fact that all old forum postings are gone. the lack of news and updates about this makes me worried.

mclaren2 said,
so it says on neowin that it died cause of database corruption and still no news here? i think we have to face the fact that all old forum postings are gone. the lack of news and updates about this makes me worried.

You mean on Wikipedia? No, it hasn't died.

mclaren2 said,
so it says on neowin that it died cause of database corruption and still no news here? i think we have to face the fact that all old forum postings are gone. the lack of news and updates about this makes me worried.

There is just something wrong that can't be fixed at the moment, nothing has been lost, they back up stuff :p

mclaren2 said,
so it says on neowin that it died cause of database corruption and still no news here? i think we have to face the fact that all old forum postings are gone. the lack of news and updates about this makes me worried.

where in the heck did you see this. they told you why it was down. with about 9 mil in posts there are gonna be some snags. The fine folks @ Neowin know how to handle problems like this. i know they backed up the DB. if worse comes to worse they stick with old version of forum. we just need to be patient. i would rather have them (the forums) be down for 2 weeks than up right now and be buggy as hell

Kirkburn said,

You mean on Wikipedia? No, it hasn't died.

yeh i meant on wiki lol
i was just out of bed and checked neowin immediately, therefore the typing mistake :P

Can't wait for the forums, I got so used to checkin out Neowin with my morning coffee =) Doesn't feel right to see the forums are still offline. Hope the conversion will be completed soon, I'm sure it's gonna be great

New layout look awesome. Being able to customize the color's and banner works great! Hope to see you guys online soon.

Take your time Neowin.net We do have a lot of patience for our favorite site. No Rush. But when you are done. It should be perfect. Keep Up the Good Work !!!

this has to be the most popular story of 2010. i dont think i've seen over 400 comments on any front page article before.

Over here we always joke about when the city does some roadwork, it posts like: it will be ready in the three months. We know by experience that one citymonth equals 3 realtime months.

Guess they have the same thing in the UK :)

I do have to say though, next time don't use vague words like "a bit". Considering I've been checking every few hours and getting irritated every time I don't see the forums up. :(

Tekkerson said,
I do have to say though, next time don't use vague words like "a bit". Considering I've been checking every few hours and getting irritated every time I don't see the forums up. :(

Damn right!

Its a nice few days rest from NW though :)

Love the look of the new site. You guys did a good job. I can't wait for the forums to be back online! But I do understand why your keeping them down, I'd rather them be completely down then having things not work properly.

You guys have done a great job. Keep up the good work!

I was looking for the "Wide Screen Mode" like on the previous homepage version however no luck.
Is this feature currently offline or just not available at all with Atlas?

Here's a tip when figuring out ETAs for upgrades/fixes. Add the following to the initial ETA. This will be around when the real ETA is.

1) Regular maintenance = +3 hours
2) Hardware upgrade = +9 hours
3) Major patch = +6 hours
4) Complete overhaul = +36 hours

san.W10 said,

btw, it was clever of admins/mods to do this on weekend :D

I believe that it is their way of saying: 'Once in a while, you need to go outside!'. :P

Edited by Jabneh, Jan 17 2010, 4:34am :

san.W10 said,
Adobe 9.3 released :p

btw, it was clever of admins/mods to do this on weekend :D


Cheers! http://www.neowin.net/news/adobe-reader-93-2

okay guys, why is the forums giving me the offline message but i can still see updates in the latest forum activity on the front page?????

carmatic said,
okay guys, why is the forums giving me the offline message but i can still see updates in the latest forum activity on the front page?????

it's probably the very limited users (devs and admins) accessing and testing on posts

Rob2687 said,
I was able to browse a few threads earlier before it went offline again.

yeah last night I could browse and post but then it went, I think it's like seeing what it can handle then take it off again

Rappy said,

yeah last night I could browse and post but then it went, I think it's like seeing what it can handle then take it off again

You just had to sneak in another post eh Rappy. It better have been in the Ironman 2 thread.

mallow said,
This happens everytime they do a major update. I remember on several years ago that took like a week...lol

you realise a few people just hurt themselves over that...

mallow said,
This happens everytime they do a major update. I remember on several years ago that took like a week...lol

If this happens to be the case this time around, then so be it. We want Neowin running better, stronger, and faster than ever (or, at least I do). It's worth the wait regardless.

ChrizzMan said,

If this happens to be the case this time around, then so be it. We want Neowin running better, stronger, and faster than ever (or, at least I do). It's worth the wait regardless.

Agreed, when you get as large as Neowin you are bound to run into issues that will delay proper workings of the site. Thats like saying you should stick with XP now because Vista had problems at launch and 7 is bound to have issues as well.

Sure, it happens every major update, but without the major updates we would still be running on a system that, while it works, is slow and clunky and ugly.

mallow said,
This happens everytime they do a major update. I remember on several years ago that took like a week...lol

A week without the forums will be really hard. Hope it doesn't take that long.

mallow said,
This happens everytime they do a major update. I remember on several years ago that took like a week...lol
I can promise you it won't be a week, if it's any consolation :P

I tried getting in for two hours after the launch....I am sorry for the problems. Thanks to all of you for all the hard work! GO NEOWIN!

I'm loving how the news and comments now integrate with the community, before the front page and forums always felt like completely separate entities. now it all feels great and combined yaay :D

Mike Chipshop said,
I'm loving how the news and comments now integrate with the community, before the front page and forums always felt like completely separate entities. now it all feels great and combined yaay :D
They feel even farther apart IMO, with the whole different themes on the news page and forums. When you click one and the entire color of the page changes, that certainly doesn't help them feel integrated.

Edited by Nagisan, Jan 17 2010, 2:04am :

Mike Chipshop said,
I'm loving how the news and comments now integrate with the community, before the front page and forums always felt like completely separate entities. now it all feels great and combined yaay :D

Yes, I agree. Now with the 'mini avatar', it's easier to recognize other members. Everything looks more professional and integrated, in my opinion.

Nagisan said,
They feel even farther apart IMO, with the whole different themes on the news page and forums. When you click one and the entire color of the page changes, that certainly doesn't help them feel integrated.

I think the idea is that the themes on the news page will also be available on the forum...

Slane said,
Is IRC up? And if so, someone got a link or whatever to connect.

Yeah irc.neowin.net port 6667, login with your username and password

example: /nick username
/connect irc.neowin.net -6667 password

:)

richardsim7 said,

Yeah irc.neowin.net port 6667, login with your username and password

example: /nick username
/connect irc.neowin.net -6667 password

:)

Doesn't work for me. :(

smooth3006 said,
love the av rappy, i saw the movie the other day and loved it.

thanks, I saw a screening the other day also and it was amazing!

yeah an update would be nice but i agree they should take their time instead of opening it up and having major issues right off the bat.

Is there an update / ETA regarding the forums being back online? Not that I want it rushed, better to take the time to get it right.

The only thing I really don't like about this new layout is the fixed width on my wide screen monitor. Thankfully the Firefox plugin Stylish can fix that for me :)

SOOPRcow said,
The only thing I really don't like about this new layout is the fixed width on my wide screen monitor. Thankfully the Firefox plugin Stylish can fix that for me :)

How can I do the same?

SOOPRcow said,
The only thing I really don't like about this new layout is the fixed width on my wide screen monitor. Thankfully the Firefox plugin Stylish can fix that for me :)

Do post the script to fix it, for people like me that don't understand anything in Stlysh scripts.

Pupik said,

Do post the script to fix it, for people like me that don't understand anything in Stlysh scripts.
http://userstyles.org/styles/11298 - 100%

http://userstyles.org/styles/11305 - 95%

Edited by Browno, Jan 17 2010, 12:20am :

Browno said,
http://userstyles.org/styles/11298 - 100%

http://userstyles.org/styles/11305 - 95%

Thank you!

Edited by Piggy, Jan 17 2010, 1:32am :

Biotoxic_hazard_835 said,

Suicide still not in my plans, but I got to say that the wait is killing me.

lol ya same here. been waiting all day...

lee27 said,
Anyone else's comments taking ages to appear?

The only thing that is fast is the comments, everything else takes ages. Will it really be like this when it is finished?

Randomiser said,

The only thing that is fast is the comments, everything else takes ages. Will it really be like this when it is finished?

Unlikely, it's just teething issues.

lee27 said,
Anyone else's comments taking ages to appear?

They don't take "ages" we just load them incrementally in the browser so that when you hit a page with an excessive amount of comments (this one) it isn't slow to load initially.

Edited by tomwarren, Jan 17 2010, 12:37am :

Tom W said,

They don't take "ages" we just load them incrementally in the browser so that when you hit a page with an excessive amount of comments (this one) it isn't slow to load initially.

My comments aren't appearing on here for a good 5 minutes after I've written them. I think that cliassifies as ages.

Basically I write a comment. It appears straight away but then if I referesh the page it's gone then if I check back in 5 minutes it's reappeared.

lee27 said,

My comments aren't appearing on here for a good 5 minutes after I've written them. I think that cliassifies as ages.

Basically I write a comment. It appears straight away but then if I referesh the page it's gone then if I check back in 5 minutes it's reappeared.

That's an issue with IE caching the ajax response. We know about it, and will look into it once we have the forums working. For now, just know that if you didn't get an error message, your comment was posted fine, or switch to a better browser than IE

im using the midnight :)
the new page is so sleek!!.. i love it!!!
great job everybody!!!..

I LOVE IT..
cant wait for the forums to be up again. i got a glimpse of em.

master2k27 said,
the 2 days after yesterday

There always has to be some jackass posting. I would assume the upgrade will be done when it's ready.

Nah the site is fixed width, forums are fluid. I don't think having the option to stretch it really worked that well on Finity, and the custom banner definitely wouldn't work.

Piggy said,
So, are we going to be able to "stretch" the main site to fit the screen like we can on the forums?
No, that isn't going to happen this time. As master2k27 has said, the scenes would get stretched.

lcg said,
No, that isn't going to happen this time. As master2k27 has said, the scenes would get stretched.

Scene looks fine here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?app=spy
The main site could look similar that, right?

Piggy said,

Scene looks fine here: http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?app=spy
The main site could look similar that, right?

That isn't a custom scene though. We are talking about the community custom scenes you will be able to upload when forums are back online. Those would get screwed when it changes size. For example, Windows Live Messenger Wave 3 has scenes, and when you maximize the window, the scene looks so damn ugly, it's just too damn ugly to use.

Spookie said,
Most comments on one piece of news ever? :P

Not yet, have to beat this article with over 600:
http://www.neowin.net/news/psstheres-how-to-get-your-windows-7-beta-key

master2k27 said,
thought you have things to do besides post on Neowin?

Well this is a discussion site. Wikipedia is for reference. Editing articles with false information for fun is silly.

Y2Stu said,
Some guy just don't want to leave it be lol

Think he's given up now, pain in the ass. Looks like the page has been protected till tommorow night as well.

"January 16, 2010, Neowin Forums have closed its doors, remaining a news only website."

What? They are updating the forums.

souldreamer said,
"January 16, 2010, Neowin Forums have closed its doors, remaining a news only website."

What? They are updating the forums.

yep a couple of comments up, it seems people are changing it for the lolz =\

Lord Nite said,
Has anyone else noticed on the wikipedia page that it states "Neowin.net has closed its doors as of January 16th 2010."?

So it does...This should probably be looked at asap.

EDIT: Fixed it, but someone should really make a paragraph on the atlas/ignition stage.

Edited by John., Jan 16 2010, 10:38pm : Extra info.

Lord Nite said,
Has anyone else noticed on the wikipedia page that it states "Neowin.net has closed its doors as of January 16th 2010."?

"It died on January 16th 2010 due to a database corruption. "

LOL

Edited by Rob2687, Jan 16 2010, 10:22pm :

Lord Nite said,
Has anyone else noticed on the wikipedia page that it states "Neowin.net has closed its doors as of January 16th 2010."?
It says this now, "It died on January 16th 2010 due to a database corruption."

Edit - Rob2687 beat me to it.

Edited by Lee G., Jan 16 2010, 10:03pm :

Rob2687 said,
Who ever it is doing that must be watching these comments cause they are still changing it with incorrect info.

it must be someone who is just doing it for the attention...Wikipedia might lock it if a mod contacts them

Rappy said,

it must be someone who is just doing it for the attention...Wikipedia might lock it if a mod contacts them

It's been locked.

netwokz said,
Man, still down? How much longer are we looking at? or is there and update link?

It'll be ready when it's ready, not before! :)

netwokz said,
Man, still down? How much longer are we looking at? or is there and update link?

Given the extent of the upgrades needed, I'd give it a while. It's no small feat having to upgrade every single post and thread on the forum.

netwokz said,
Man, still down? How much longer are we looking at? or is there and
update link?

It's annoying, i keep thinking "i'll see what's going on at neowin" but at the same time i'd rather they sort it properly than keep putting them up, taking them down, putting them up again. Take your time guys, we'll all forget about it once it's all sorted. Looking forward to them being back up again though :)

The Darkside skin is pretty good ,However it removes the little pictures next to posts which is not cool i think :S

smokn said,
The Darkside skin is pretty good ,However it removes the little pictures next to posts which is not cool i think :S

No it doesn't. Mines working just like every other skin, the site is just experiencing problems at the moment, it's that or you need to clear your cache.

Tony. said,

No it doesn't. Mines working just like every other skin, the site is just experiencing problems at the moment, it's that or you need to clear your cache.

Mmmmmm , I just cleared my cache but still no pictures. Maybe it's a site problem as you said , well ...the blue one is nice too...not a big deal i guess.
Anyways keep up the good work ;)

Barney said,
The Devs are working hard on it, believe me. As soon as we know something, you guys will!


I think you know something you're not telling us. I think you killed Dave.

SpecialK. said,


I think you know something you're not telling us. I think you killed Dave.


Dave can't be dead. The hamsters won't listen to anyone else!? They'll go AWOL without the wrath of Dave!

master2k27 said,
the number of suasides in the world has dubbed this month

The sausages did what?

Has anyone else noticed that even the news section of the site is a lot slower, if so is it due to the ongoing upgrade?

Randomiser said,
Has anyone else noticed that even the news section of the site is a lot slower, if so is it due to the ongoing upgrade?

Probably from all of us refreshing the news page waiting for the forums to come back.

If the frontpage looks this good, then I'm willing to wait all weekend for the forums to be upgraded.

Good job guys!

celticpride678 said,
Seems like they switched to debug mode...

Yeah, something didn't go according to plan. But I rekon they'll get it.

master2k27 said,
they should of tested it more

They did, the problem is that Neowin is like the biggest IPB forum, and even though they have multiple servers, running the upgrade scripts and geting hammered by everyone wanting to get on the forums was to much

master2k27 said,
they should of tested it more
It's really not as simple as "more testing". More testing doesn't always mean it'll work exactly as you expect on a live site. We've been testing all of these things for months, even simulated load tests.

tdrock said,
i still can't access the forum. is it still down

Seems to be.
I think they intended to convert the posts in the background, however that and the number of people trying to use the forum was kind of overlaoding the servers.
So we are waiting for the posts to finish converting, at least I think thats the reason.

acnpt said,

Seems to be.
I think they intended to convert the posts in the background, however that and the number of people trying to use the forum was kind of overlaoding the servers.
So we are waiting for the posts to finish converting, at least I think thats the reason.

To be fair that's the best way really, as when I did an upgrade to 3.0.5 from 2.3.x. I just shut the forums down and run the scripts. As trying to use the forums whilst the scripts were running just kept boggin down the server.

Are we meant to be seeing the DEBUG data or is that purely just there whilst you sort out the gremlins?

Everything is looking great from the mobile side. Have'nt been able to access neowin from a proper computer in a while :s

cybertimber2008 said,
Why is the "latest posts" on the front changing if no one is supposed to be on the forums :(

Staff are making posts testing thing

max84 said,

I can say that the forum is gradually beginning to run smooth.


Well be prepared for a massive posting attack, better give the hamster extra strength coffee

Phantom Helix said,

Staff are making posts testing thing

And they have Rappy on forum life support too.

Edited by Piggy, Jan 16 2010, 7:54pm :

“NASA has not been involved in any manipulation of climate data used in the annual GISS global temperature analysis. The analysis utilizes three independent data sources provided by other agencies. Quality control checks are regularly performed on that data. The analysis methodology as well as updates to the analysis are publicly available on our website. The agency is confident of the quality of this data and stands by previous scientifically based conclusions regarding global temperatures.

nocture said,
Uhm, lol... i just clicked a link to the forum and got redirected to the IPBoard admin installation interface

As long as you weren't logged in as an admin I wouldn't worry. The admin interface is accessible to anyone who wants to try and access it really.

DomZ said,

As long as you weren't logged in as an admin I wouldn't worry. The admin interface is accessible to anyone who wants to try and access it really.

oh, ok... it just looked like the real deal :P the setup for database, admin account etc.

nocture said,

oh, ok... it just looked like the real deal :P the setup for database, admin account etc.

hmm that sounds like you were logged in/were able to change stuff..If you still have access to that I'd suggest you contact one of the admins!

Edited by DomZ, Jan 16 2010, 7:05pm :

DomZ said,

hmm that sounds like you were logged in/were able to change stuff..If you still have access to that I'd suggest you contact one of the admins!

Any idea how ? Im guessing they are all pretty busy at the moment :D

nocture said,

Any idea how ? Im guessing they are all pretty busy at the moment :D

Do you still have admin access? If not I'd imagine they were tweaking the forum config files and for a brief moment everyone had admin access. If you do still have admin access then I have no idea...

DomZ said,

Do you still have admin access? If not I'd imagine they were tweaking the forum config files and for a brief moment everyone had admin access. If you do still have admin access then I have no idea...



I can still access the setup

Electric Jolt said,

lol, the comments got deleted. :P I saw that. Poor forum, it doesn't know what to do anymore...

Yea, I hid the URL in the screenshot, but apparently they wanted it all away, fair enough =)

Edited by nocture, Jan 16 2010, 9:35pm :

Thanks for letting us know. It seemed like the forums were having a lot of trouble yesterday (right after launch). Loving the new theme though!

I love the new site, the only thing i don't really like is the fact that the news page is no longer flexible :(

Randomiser said,
I love the new site, the only thing i don't really like is the fact that the news page is no longer flexible :(

There's probably a greasemonkey hack you could do to get it flexible again, although the reasons for having it fixed were discussed at length in one of the posts about the new site months ago, and the final stance was they wont be changing it.

I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.

radwimp said,
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.

I love 2001!!! Best sci-fi movie ever!

The forums seem to be up on my end, but the load seems to be too much, and i would rather a smooth load than a struggling server any day

Andrew Lyle said,
The forums seem to be up on my end, but the load seems to be too much, and i would rather a smooth load than a struggling server any day

The forums are up for you since you're on staff.

Andrew Lyle said,
The forums seem to be up on my end, but the load seems to be too much, and i would rather a smooth load than a struggling server any day

Have a look at the forum listing's page title. ;)

Edited by Denis W., Jan 16 2010, 6:37pm :

I'm loving the new look here on Neowin. Great job to everyone who made it possible! Looking forward to the forums returning. :)

Cool new look. Very clean and smooth. Fast too. Great work. Hope you have some tasty doughnuts and coffee to get you through it.

Finally! Neowin's news comments looks legible. I could not sort out through the comments before because each posts' layout looked similiar. Keep up the great job, guys.

Just wanted to say I am absolutely loving the mobile version of the site. But it seems to open links in new windows all the time?

Great! Can you also fix the bug on the iPhone where it shows the wierd green box below your name? Love the new site, great upgrade!

Great work right here guys. I'm LOVING the new look - really impressive. I'm going to enjoy using this site again when it's all done... Kudos to you guys :)

Great job guys. The site is awesome, love the themes and new skins options and the mobile version works great. Looking forward to use the forums. :-)

The new site is amazing. I'm enjoying the iPhone version too. It's very schmick, well done sirs. Have a rest have a beer and don't worry, with everyone refreshing the site every 2 seconds I'm sure the server will cope :P

I like the new site, I would like the forums to be 100% awesome before its ready, had a play last night though before it went offline!

Replying to comments does no work, gives an error message on clicking the 'Reply' button saying the comment cannot be found.

Chasethebase said,
Replying to comments does no work, gives an error message on clicking the 'Reply' button saying the comment cannot be found.

It now works. Not on the mobile skin though...

Glad the problem is being worked on and looking forward to the forums coming back online soon :)

The new style is looking swish by the way.

Darkside with an awesome KoL background.

SkyDX, Neowin does make an OS, it is Shift Linux. However the development of the OS was canceled due to lack of community interest and people willing to contribute.

Thanks for the update I really like the new look and it looks awesome. I was wondering if it's possible to put instead of the Avatar next to my name in the first page the flag of the country? Wouldn't that be better? Just wondering I'm sure you guys have something better. ... Lets wait and see. :P

nabz0r said,
Thanks for the update I really like the new look and it looks awesome. I was wondering if it's possible to put instead of the Avatar next to my name in the first page the flag of the country? Wouldn't that be better? Just wondering I'm sure you guys have something better. ... Lets wait and see. :P

If you're talking about comments (?), I personally prefer avatars there, but send a personal message to a developer, or post in the 'Site & Forum Issues' forum when the forums are back up, with your suggestion :)

For now, you could always change your avatar to that of a flag, once the forums return.

nabz0r said,
Thanks for the update I really like the new look and it looks awesome. I was wondering if it's possible to put instead of the Avatar next to my name in the first page the flag of the country? Wouldn't that be better? Just wondering I'm sure you guys have something better. ... Lets wait and see. :P

Woah, no. Horrible idea, I like how the comments look like posts. I can recognize people a whole lot quicker, I comment a hell of a lot more than I post so when I see people's comments now, I can match the picture up and know quickly who they are. I used to never really know or care, now it feels as if the community is now the comments and the posts, we don't need separate pictures, that confuses it for me.

Audioboxer said,
What colours do people like? I'm using Midnight :)

Midnight with my Floating Island header :-P

Audioboxer said,
What colours do people like? I'm using Midnight :)

Darkside with KoL's 2nd to last header image. Dunno what it's actually called.

Edit: Might not use Darkside anymore actually, since emoticons have some white pixels on them so it looks a bit rubbish.

Edited by Harreh, Jan 16 2010, 5:34pm :

Audioboxer said,
What colours do people like? I'm using Midnight :)

At the moment I'm using a design which looks quite old, with a really old Neowin logo... it's something any of you can access as well You just need to figure out how.

Calum said,

At the moment I'm using a design which looks quite old, with a really old Neowin logo... it's something any of you can access as well You just need to figure out how.

A code, or a menu option? Take your pick. :)

Edited by Denis W., Jan 16 2010, 7:29pm :

Calum said,

At the moment I'm using a design which looks quite old, with a really old Neowin logo... it's something any of you can access as well You just need to figure out how.

Oh, you mean like this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20541/TehDrunknMunky.com/Neowin%20Classic.jpg ;P

Wow, very nice, very nice indeed.

Great Job! Looking forward to the finished project...... uh nothing here is named duke or nukem... right? (JK!)

Doing good work. :)
I admire you all for patience.
And thank you on behalf of yourself and others for information. :)

FloatingFatMan said,
I still say porting all 9 million posts is a mistake. It's no surprise you're having issues with all that old junk cluttering up the place! :p

+1

I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for their continued support. It's amazing to see what loyal readers we have Thanks guys.

I've been doing nothing but browsing in the displayed ads all day.
Those iPhone skins were crazy, and I'm not saying crazy in a good way.

Edited by tiagosilva29, Jan 16 2010, 7:05pm : no need to quote the man

Tom W said,
I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for their continued support. It's amazing to see what loyal readers we have Thanks guys.

My cheques in the post yeah? ;)

I can wait... i'll just save up all the rubbish i have to post for one big dump out :D

On a slightly worried note... I think Rappy may do himself an injury when the forums come back!

I have to say. I always hated when skins is updated.


This is like the first time ever that I liked everything in the new improvements. This is brilliant. Simply brilliant. And brilliance takes time, so don't fret about the forums, we understand.

ha... at least i got a glimpse of the forums amongst all the server busy messages before i got the offline notification...

Soldiers33 said,
I miss the old neowin. I just cant get used to the new layout and design.

Give it a week or so (or a dozen visits) and you might change your mind Sometimes it takes a bit of time to get used to things.

I personally think this is much better than the previous design and backend.

Thanks for the update Steve. All the best for Dave too, he did nothing short of a fantastic job getting this happening in the first place. Hopefully the bugs will be ironed out when he wake up.

This is my favourite news site now. Look at the clean design...
Engadget's redesign looks rubbish when compared to this...

Ricmacas said,
This is my favourite news site now. Look at the clean design...
Engadget's redesign looks rubbish when compared to this...

You sir are just slightly out of your mind. Engadget's redesign is amazing.

NeoXY said,

You sir are just slightly out of your mind. Engadget's redesign is amazing.


Please remove your beer goggles.

NeoXY said,

You sir are just slightly out of your mind. Engadget's redesign is amazing.

There iphone app/mobile redesign is really slick, there website redesign not so much.

As mentioned better to have the forums down than people getting frustrated with pages failing to load. Also adverts showing here too with the Tier2 subscription, not a big deal tbh but a slight bug?

While it's annoying the forums aren't up, as a result the process will be done quicker and they'll be back up and running sooner.

And a consistent "Forums are off-line" is better than a random chance of it working or giving a heavy load error.

Thanks for the update Steve - any new thing always comes with "issues". No worries And yeah... definitely big thumbs-up for the site re-working... looks fab

Getting the site back online fast is of cource great, but a working forum is what really matters to the users here, good call. Hope you get it tuned to match the speed of the previous board.

mike45 said,
at first glance it all looks as professional as ever...'great job' to all involved guys..:)

Yeah, aside from a couple of quirks it is working wonderfully for me. I can't wait to see the forum and the mobile site.

i don't know if you guys know this already but ads are showing for me and i got the ad free subscription.

i understand you have more important things to do right now, just letting you know.

Citizen Erased said,
Same here, just waiting to see if they go when it's all up and running properly :)

I know your name, *giggles* :P