Neowin: Why haven't you registered yet? And ad changes

At Neowin it always baffles me why we have on average thousands more guests versus members at any one time, usually during work days.

Registering on Neowin is free; all it requires is a valid email address which is never shared with a third party, or shared with other registered members.

Your email address remains private and only visible to our staff and yourself. Neowin prides itself on its stance on privacy for our members, we don't even send out bulk emails to our members because when we tried (usually after upgrades) we found that our forum software has trouble processing hundreds of thousands of members we've accumulated over the past twelve years anyway, so we opt to post announcements here instead.

Ad Changes

Anyway, last week we moved around a few ads specifically for guests on advice from a fellow tech site owner and two of our advertisers. Registered members were unaffected by the changes, except for one small change to the top ad in the sidebar of the forums. If you're registered the ads are in different spots or not at all!

So if you lurk Neowin frequently, and don't even care to participate in the news comments or community forums, consider registering an account for a better experience, more off topic forums and fewer ads.

We also rely on our readers for feedback, this is after all a community effort. We look forward to welcoming you to our community!

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I have never been a fan of this kind of "please register" tactic. I think that if a user wants to register he will and then possibly become a little active and help the site but if a user registers just to build up your numbers it is doing nothing for the site but adding a false statistic.

It is ALMOST the same tactic of "paid followers" on Facebook or Twitter. Yes, your numbers go up but ultimately it doesn't help you. Market your product and the people that join will do so for them and they then become 100% wanted users.

I am also in the "only log in when I wish to post" section since it is a nuisance to do so every time I visit!

Actually if lurkers knew what they were missing then they might register by themselves. It's not like we do a request like this on a weekly or monthly basis either is it? A reminder of the difference isn't the end of the world

Quick reminder, on many ads you'll see "adChoices" on the top right of the ad, which allows you to "Mute" (which actually means turn off, do not display again) the ads you don't want to see.

I unblocked my ad-block just to see the ads on this site. They're actually not that annoying, much better than some other tech sites.

If i didn't have to login every damn day i wouldn't be a guest. It's not like i do not allow cookies or have some exotic browser/config, the cookie just expires everyday no matter if i select "Remember me" when i login.

You may want to look into that.

BTW I agree with others about this, if people is not going to be active, why bother asking them to register? What do you gain from it? Care to explain it?

I am a registered use, however I only ever log in to post a comment. The rest of the time I'll be just reading the news as a guest.

I have been reading this site for at least 5 years and I tried at least two times before. Both times I had registration issues involving the security box and/or activation. I ended up giving up on it. I tried again for the 3rd time today and I managed to sign up.

Wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the "Guests" browsing are actually registered users who couldn't be bothered to log-in.

Certainly if my session gets killed due to clearing cookies.etc I don't tend to bother re-logging in unless I wish to comment on a post or are using the forums.

I'm one of those who rarely logs in, usually at work actually, where for some reason Chrome doesn't like to keep me logged in on this website.

I've never had any issues with being logged out by the site, using Chrome here. Looks like a lot of people are running into that problem though judging from this thread.

What's the big deal? On all my machines i'm always logged in. The only time i'm not logged in is when I clear my cookies.

I bet a lot of those guest users are registered users that do not bother loging in because the sites logs them out so much. They only log in when they itch to comment.
If you would have used disqus or an openid login method a lot more people would stay logged in. However that could prove hard/impossible to integrate with the forums, right?
Anotehr reason people might not want to log in is because you have at least tennish trackers on your site that lay their eggs/cookies on a visitor's browser.

Love reading articles from this site for years never cared to sign in.The forum section is a bit hard to navigate I am more accustom to vb type.Signed in to see what all the fuss is about.
Yeah no ads.

fastcat said,
Please implement HTTPS, show the way to other tech sites. thank you.

Well lots of advs just don't work with https

must admit after not logging in for many years (been reading as a guest daily for 3+ years) I've logged in now and it is indeed a better front page.

Well obviously I'm registered but reasons I might not have registered / stop using the site are:
1) Biased/poorly written articles (minority).
2) Flame wars in the comments.
3) Malicious adverts (seen 2 so far but I believe both were reported).

Sign in is not https, so I won't do it from work or any other open WiFi.

Also, I can't sign in from IE 10, the helpful javascript always says "no sign in name entered".

Maybe some people are sick and tired of having to register and have a username/password for EVERYTHING? Ever think of that? Maybe they are content to read content without submitting any comments?

Lord Method Man said,
Maybe some people are sick and tired of having to register and have a username/password for EVERYTHING? Ever think of that? Maybe they are content to read content without submitting any comments?

If tired of registering for an account on each site, then you can get an account such as OpenID or something similar so you can use it as login on all sites that provide login systems to choose from. That way, you don't have to register all over again, only once. I have seen the sites have facebook login system like you see one at the top of this page.

Some useful ads/tracker stats for registered members vs non- registered members.

registered members get only a avg of 12 ads, counting the twitter/facebook buttons/plug-ings.
non-registered member can get close to 38 different ads/trackers.

That's a huge difference, so registering is so much better then being a non-registered member.

Please register so we can give you a warning if we don't like what you have to say. Yes you used a word in the same way as this guy use the word, but you are getting the warning because we don't like you.

P.S. If you complain about it, that is another warning. I never had any friends so I have all the power here. I AM GOD FEAR ME!!!

DarkNet said,
Please register so we can give you a warning if we don't like what you have to say. Yes you used a word in the same way as this guy use the word, but you are getting the warning because we don't like you.

P.S. If you complain about it, that is another warning. I never had any friends so I have all the power here. I AM GOD FEAR ME!!!

LOL, what? true story?

panacea said,

LOL, what? true story?

Im guessing he's talking about blatant trollbait articles that get posted on the front page that if they were posted on the forums by a regular user they would get locked with a warning issue. The "anyone comparing Windows 8 to Vista is an idiot" article comes to mind.

Lord Method Man said,

Im guessing he's talking about blatant trollbait articles that get posted on the front page that if they were posted on the forums by a regular user they would get locked with a warning issue. The "anyone comparing Windows 8 to Vista is an idiot" article comes to mind.

ohh, got it.

Lord Method Man said,
The "anyone comparing Windows 8 to Vista is an idiot" article comes to mind.

Yay one example out of "Published News (found 68953)" yup 66,953 well done

I come to the site for news regularly during the day, on a few devices. It doesn't seem to remember I've signed in or I get signed out on one device when I sign on another. I don't know. Either way, it's sometimes days and even weeks before I realised I'm not signed in... Because I hardly post etc. I imagine some other visitors are in this same boat surely?

Neobond said,
Signing in on Neowin is per device, not per account because a cookie is stored on that device

I know, I sign into the site on each device, I never manually sign out,I just have to log in again when I try and do something. Like just now to reply to this. I wish the cookie never expired or something.

I know for myself, I remain logged in at home but don't bother logging in at work as I'm just usually reading a quick headline articles. I imagine that there are a lot of other members who just don't log in from time to time and as a result, show up as guests.

I've been registered here for a number of years. I do find the login process somewhat long winded. I've signed in numerous times (why no cookie to store this?), if I want to comment on a news item, I click login, which takes me to the login page, I login, then I'm automatically forwarded to the forum page, not the original article I was reading. Then I have to go back through the homepage and find the article and comment I wanted to reply to. Consequently sometimes when I want to reply I cant be bothered to jump through all these hoops. If you want more people to sign in and register, sort out the login process.

I've never had this problem in years. Maybe you need to check "Remember Me" which isn't checked by default. I'll have a look at seeing if we can also enable it by default ourselves. Also some blocking software such as NoScript can block cookies being stored on your PC. There isn't anything we can do about that.

Edit: Just checked and "Remember Me" is checked by default.

If you don't have it checked you'll be logged out after an hour I think.

Really? I just signed in using Facebook, took less than a minute. Later on, I disconnected my fb credentials from Neowin when I decided to ditch Facebook completely.

Youngy said,
I do find the login process somewhat long winded. I've signed in numerous times (why no cookie to store this?), if I want to comment on a news item, I click login, which takes me to the login page, I login, then I'm automatically forwarded to the forum page, not the original article I was reading. Then I have to go back through the homepage and find the article and comment I wanted to reply to.

This was my primary reason as well, but as I logged in to reply I notice that the behavior has changed. After logging in (using the button at the bottom of all the comments) I was brought back to this article. That helps.

But if I may be honest, I don't log in because the crowd posting in Neowin articles tends to be a bit too "rowdy" and fanboyish. When it comes to Microsoft and Apple people here are incredibly polarized; at least Android seems to get some fair discussion. The polarization extends even to many of the articles that are posted to the site. I've been reading Neowin for years and remain subscribed to it in my RSS reader, but I'll admit that over the past year or so I've had many moments where I almost deleted the feed.

I don't expect the site to change for me, being one user among many, but I give this as my feedback anyway.

Ledgem, this is a double edged sword issue. If we promote the idea that this is a heaven for tech enthusiasts by deleting all of the "bad comments" we'll be labeled as "Nazi moderators" etc and there will be posts about it in the forums too, we can only fall back on the community rules, which we do when bad behavior is reported. So on the one hand, we try to allow the community to voice their opinion whether it's quite negative, or overly positive, but also try to enforce that with the community rules.

I always used to click 'Remember Me' too, just tested it and finally seems to store my login. Will definitely aid more people commenting if they don't need to keep logging in.
That aside, as others have stated there is a real fanboy element who seem to take opinions around Apple/Android to heart (both sides!) which really doesn't encourage people to comment.

Neobond said,
Ledgem, this is a double edged sword issue. If we promote the idea that this is a heaven for tech enthusiasts by deleting all of the "bad comments" we'll be labeled as "Nazi moderators" etc and there will be posts about it in the forums too, we can only fall back on the community rules, which we do when bad behavior is reported. So on the one hand, we try to allow the community to voice their opinion whether it's quite negative, or overly positive, but also try to enforce that with the community rules.

Things can get quite heated and if its within limits of not personal accusations i usually don't see posts getting removed that often. Although I mainly browse the frontpage.

I just registered a couple days ago after visiting here anonymously thousands of times. Thanks for a great, informative site. I make a point to come here several times each day, so even though I will not post much, I do enjoy the site. Keep up the good work guys !

At Neowin it always baffles me why we have on average thousands more guests versus members at any one time, usually during work days.
Because I don't want anyone at work to know my internet name, and I don't want Neowin knowing where I work either.

Just curious, how will your company know your Neowin account details? Are they literally spying on everyone with some monitoring programs that logs all activity?

Also, how will Neowin know where you work? It is not mandatory to fill in your profile. As an example mine is practically empty; has been that way since the beginning.

Cryton said,
Because I don't want anyone at work to know my internet name, and I don't want Neowin knowing where I work either.

That's completely understandable, at least you have an account!

I have an neowin account, but i almost never log in to it, except i want to post something.

Most times i read as guest...

Perhaps it shows up as more guests than members at times because we get logged out. There are times I surf here without re-logging in. I only do so when I need to make a comment. I wish there was a better way than having to re-login every so often.
It used to dump you in the forums instead the article you were in, but IIRC it works correctly now.

Actually Neowin is a great site, it caters to all races, creeds, colours, level of intelligence, personal choice of Operating Systems, Builds, Mobile Devices, calculators, Typewriters, and the Abacus.

It is by far better than Cnet and all the other wannabees tech sites out there.

There you go sir, I've said nice things sir, please don't hit me anymore sir.

I think the timing of this post is quite funny - posted right after a news story about 1.82 million passwords being stolen from another forum (http://www.neowin.net/news/182...ata-breach-passwords-stolen), it's almost like Neowin are boasting "hey, come join our forum, and give us your personal details - don't worry, we won't be hacked!" LOL

Any other time, I'm sure this post would be a good encouragement for non-users to register, but seriously, when the preceding story on Neowin is about passwords being stolen from a forum... it's not really going to encourage more users to sign up to any forum right now!

I don't know why some members are getting worked up over this..it would have been cool to promote the great stuff about the site though rather than jumping straight into the ads perhaps, maybe:
* how good the community is; quite possible the guests havent paid that much attention to the forums just come here for news;,
* how many long term members we have (which I think says a lot about a forums);,
* discussions on just about everything from rwi, to media to specific linux, windows, customising forums etc;
*robust tech forums with the newish question answered facility combined with very knowledgable and helpful members
*lastly, if none of that floats your boat registered members also have a better experience with improved ad placement.

For non-registered users...
For those that have sufficient screen width (most wide screen users and some high res non-widescreen) is there any way to have the homepage move the tall ad to the empty sidebar space? This will give more room in the main content area.

Right now it appears too cramped and while I know you guys didn't add more ads it can appear that way because it almost seems that there is less space for content now.

You can detect this via javascript usually and possibly render the position based on known screen widths.

Steven,

I would say that certain members can be quite rude and obnoxious if someone doesn't love a Microsoft product. I browse this site anonymously while at work and put myself in the shoes of a guest. News articles can get quite heated and embarrassing. If one person doesn't love Windows 8 or Windows Tablet or Windows Phone, they are stoned to death with words. For a site that should unify everything in our wonderful tech world, certain members are so pushy and I can see guest saying, "WTF, I'm outta here."

It's funny that you should say so. After I got my Windows Phone, and regained some love for Microsoft products;, I started searching for websites to keep me up-to-date about it. At that time Windows 8 was in development. A lot of the comments were actually very negative. Especially considering it was an unreeased and untested product at the time. At the time such attitudes actually kept me away from this site.

Ronnet,

I agree. I use to be one of those guest that Steven is targeting for about 7 years before I created an account. Times were different when I first found this site. It's like the older guys have died off and now we have a bunch of uppity young bloaks with no sense of community. They don't understand that everyone has their own personal human opinion. A website thrives on diversity but these young guys are so die hard about their products and can't see clearly. In my house, we have Google products, Microsft products, Apple Products, and I run an old laptop using Linux Mint. I'm loyal to no one company, and so I can see clearly and have an unbiased opinion.

Star-Pirate said,
I posted a message saying Windows 8 has a hostile UI and that's why it's selling badly on one post, and I was nearly crucified.

What the heck is a "hostile UI"? The thing that gets me most of all is how people can be so illiterate on the internet and then expect everyone else to understand them. Most modern browsers have built in spell check as well, but that doesn't stop people from screwing up basic words.

eh pot-kettle-black @JHBrown, who does love to troll many MSFT articles. Putting across a different view is fine btw, but some do it maliciously.

Neobond said,

What the heck is a "hostile UI"? The thing that gets me most of all is how people can be so illiterate on the internet and then expect everyone else to understand them. Most modern browsers have built in spell check as well, but that doesn't stop people from screwing up basic words.


Spelling checking doesn't always seem to work on Neowin using Firefox, so that is probably why people don't always use the correct word.

Neobond said,

I know You wouldn't expect that to be used to define a software UI though, there's nothing hostile about it, maybe you meant horrible?


True enough, it is unfriendly and horrible then... LOL

Star-Pirate said,

True enough, it is unfriendly and horrible then... LOL

You state it as a fact while its your personal opinion. Maybe try adding "I think that the Win8 UI is hostile" and you should get less people on your back since my personal opinion(and those of others) state that the UI isnt hostile, just different.

ZipZapRap said,
eh pot-kettle-black @JHBrown, who does love to troll many MSFT articles. Putting across a different view is fine btw, but some do it maliciously.
I guess we have different definitions of a troll. This also proved my point. If you do not agree with a fanboy, you are called a troll. Look, I'm a grown ass man with kids and do not have trolling time. I strictly speak my opinion.

JHBrown said,
I guess we have different definitions of a troll. This also proved my point. If you do not agree with a fanboy, you are called a troll. Look, I'm a grown ass man with kids and do not have trolling time. I strictly speak my opinion.

No it doesn't prove your point. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with having a different view, it's how you go about expressing it. You have a habit of making your comments appear condescending and attacking on any MSFT article. I'm obviously not the only one who notices it.

ZipZapRap said,

No it doesn't prove your point. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with having a different view, it's how you go about expressing it. You have a habit of making your comments appear condescending and attacking on any MSFT article. I'm obviously not the only one who notices it.

Based on the likes on my comments, I'm obviously not the only one who shares my point of view.

Star-Pirate said,

Hostile is a another way to say Unfriendly.

All great changes, whether good or bad, are somewhat hostile to those who fear change

What is the goal behind accumulating more members? Is it more lively discussions resulting in more frequent visits? If so why not use a thirdparty service such as Disqus? A lot of people already have an account so its easier to jump in and join the discussion.

I was a long tim quest before I made an account here. The reason to do so was someone's comment that I just 'had to' respond to. Before that there were plenty of other occasions where I would have commented if I had an account. But I feel I already have too many accounts, too many passwords and what not around the web.

The reason why I suggest Disqus is because it has an app as well. Making it quicker and easier to respond at any time.

Neobond said,
That's an idea as well, or make our own comment system at least be able to connect to it.

The more options the better. If connecting to it also means you can use their app to comment then I'm a happy visiter. There are a couple of other sites that I use and as I use the Disqus app more often I find that lately I use their services more often because of their support for it. Of course Neowin is under the home tabs in the good old webbrowser

I like Disqus - although my nick there is different - but it is flaky on my phone on desktop views (sometimes only way to view the page properly) and it has the crappy last resort of unnecessarily reloading *the entire page* should it have problems.

mrbester said,
I like Disqus - although my nick there is different - but it is flaky on my phone on desktop views (sometimes only way to view the page properly) and it has the crappy last resort of unnecessarily reloading *the entire page* should it have problems.

Yea Discus has some rendering issues and the comments and layout of the comments don't load as fast as on neowin. Maybe an option to link Microsoft account?

Neobond said,
That's an idea as well, or make our own comment system at least be able to connect to it.

Disqus is great on the desktop, but on mobile, it is a mess.

???? I remember a windows 8 news of Bdsams that literally called everybody that didn't liked the os quite... well, lightly put, not smart enough. that was one thing that put a lot of long time users out of this place, this post however doesn't seem offensive at all or at least I fail to see it.

In our defence, that was an Editorial, so the opinion is that of the author, not the site as a whole. I've pointed out more than a few times what I think is wrong with Windows 8 (and still think is wrong) in Editorials as well as on the forums

Wut? He clearly states the pros about registering here, less ads. What else do you need? Guests actually bring in more ad impressions since there are a lot more ads and you find it arrogant?

Neobond said,
So saying that as a registered member offers more, is bad? OK

Huh? You artificially put up more ads for guests and then you tell us to register because then we'll get fewer ads?

That's not "offering more" to registered members but "intentionally p*ssing off" unregistered ones.

bviktor said,

Huh? You artificially put up more ads for guests and then you tell us to register because then we'll get fewer ads?

That's not "offering more" to registered members but "intentionally p*ssing off" unregistered ones.

They didn't put more ads. They just moved them around to get a bigger impact on them. To be honest the ads are probably setup better than other sites...

I've just registered and you are one unsatisfiable user. Running a site like Neowin requires a lot of effort and money so register and pay your respects all those who still haven't.

bviktor said,
If I wasn't registered already, I'd certainly refuse to ever do so after reading such an arrogant announcement.

Don't like what is going on and so unhappy, disable you account or ask for it to be removed and to don't come back. You don't have to be here. And your comment is far worse than anything you got from the OP.

Neobond said,
I don't expect anyone who already blocks ads to understand the point of this article anyway.

Good ting I don't have ads blocked on neowin