Net firms in music pirates deal

Six of the UK's biggest net providers have agreed a plan with the music industry to tackle piracy online.

The deal, negotiated by the government, will see hundreds of thousands of letters sent to net users suspected of illegally sharing music.

But the music industry wants people's internet cut off if they ignore repeated warnings, something the web firms say they are not prepared to do.

The six firms are due to be named when the deal is officially confirmed later.

Feargal Sharkey, chief executive of British Music Rights, said the plan was "a first step, and a very big step, in what we all acknowledge is going to be quite a long process".

The plan commits the firms to working towards a "significant reduction" in the illegal sharing of music.

It also commits the net firms to develop legal music services, the BBC has been told.

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I still don't get this. All these articles say it will clamp down on people sharing music but then it says about people downloading music. So is this for the people that illegally download stuff like from usenet/directlinsk from rapid share etc or is it where you don't actually share it's just leeching or people who get torrents and seed mp3s to other people to download.

I hope that enough people will cancel their subscriptions and that those ISPs will lose lots of profit, they wont learn otherwise!

Glassed Silver:mac

(Glassed Silver said @ #11)
I hope that enough people will cancel their subscriptions and that those ISPs will lose lots of profit, they wont learn otherwise!

Glassed Silver:mac

or maybe the people who actually care are ones who download a lot and so actually cost the ISP money and so the ISP will be glad to see them leave

Carphone Warehouse

And all of them just happen to sell music!

(*Sky just announced yesterday they will be Sept)

Also, I see the Gov may impose a "levy" on ISPs as a form of compensation for downloading. Um...I thought it was illegal??? So, it's either illegal or it isn't! You can't have your cake and eat it Mr. Gov/BPI.

So what the the Gov are actually saying, "if we impose this levy on ISP's then the current downloading can carry on"
Strange way to work me thinks!

Dear Virgin Media,

Please find attached a 1 Terabyte spreadsheet containing details of every IP address that illegally downloaded a mp3 ever.
Would you kindly look each one up for us and send out warning letters please?


i think it's safe to say that the internet as we've known it will become less and less about the free flow of information etc and will be malformed and mis-shaped into an enormous content delivery system. i.e. the content will be screened and cleaned by each country under their laws. This will work in the same way as TV works, watchdogs will police the Uk's sites and other global sites will have to comply with local law before they can be "let through". For most, this will be accepted as default and will work perfectly well, your refrigerator will reorder your food and you'll be able to set your tv/central heating from remote locations.... The functions provided will allow access to reference material, shopping from approved vendors etc. I have a sneaking suspicion though that it will be dictated that the portalized view of things rather than the freedom of choice we have now will be seen as the only way to put some "control" over what people do online. It will also go some way to narrowing the openness of the internet and allow them to gain some control back over the manipulation of global information sharing on topics such as war and public opinion.

The biggest "problem" with the internet is that it sprang from nowhere and basically opened up all sorts of new bypasses and workarounds to allow "the public" to do things they'd previously been stopped from doing. Had the UK government realised what was happening at the time, i'm sure we'd have seen something similar to the great firewall of China here in the UK, it's just that nobody saw the potential in the early stages. It wont take long for the Illuminati to start reigning in that freedom and putting us back under their control. It will happen, they'll just keep on quietly sneaking in these changes until they manage to undermine basic human and privacy rights. All it takes is a few global players to start this and it'll be forced on us and no matter what anyone says, what will we do about it? global revolution? i doubt it. We'll just remember the days when we could do what we are now prohibited from doing....

If you don't think this will happen, look at what happened with Rave culture in the early 90's. We used to congregate en masse in public areas and have a good time. That was it, there was very little crime or disruption to any "daytime" services. In the grand scheme of things, we were doing very little wrong. The key here is that it was hedonistic, mis-understood and out of the control of the government. Yes, people took drugs, yes people drove while under the influence and i agree there needs to be controls on activities such as this, but the heavy hand of the Criminal Justice Act was forced through and stopped the thing dead in it's tracks. At the time, you'd have almost expected national rioting and protest, however if you look back there was very little resistance as the majority of the population was brainwashed into thinking their children had been recruited into an Evil cult that needed to be stamped out to save their souls. People argued that this act violated human rights and would move us closer to a police state; it didn't stop it becoming law. People are no longer allowed to do what they did or they face police in riot gear, cs gas and in some cases criminal prosecution. Viva-La-Revolution? no chance. They've already started trying to encourage people to shop people they work with for being "knockoff Nigel". WTF, how long before there is a cash reward for reporting someone for copying you an album onto an mp3 player? Maybe we could gather the pirates in town squares, cut off their ears and have them stoned and stabbed by legitimate music buyers with shurikens made from recovered CDR's? :)
All it takes is an unjust, heavy handed move like the CJA and we're ****ed, basically. God only knows how the music industry is somehow controlling governments worldwide, just how much power do they have?

It really does feel like the thin end of the wedge doesn't it? Everybody moans about The Great Firewall of China - but we'll be seeing the same here so as to keep corporate interests happy.

Makes you feel a little sick doesn't it?

Can anyone recommend a good ISP?

With this and the Phorm debacle Virgin is going to be getting a rather annoyed phone call from me later on today! :mad:

(Pygmy_Hippo said @ #6)
Can anyone recommend a good ISP?

With this and the Phorm debacle Virgin is going to be getting a rather annoyed phone call from me later on today! :mad:

Apparently Be ( are very good. My Nephew couldn't recommend them highly enough to me. He keeps trying to persuade me to move to them.

I would recommend IDNet
I left Pipex and migrated to them and the service so far has been excellent, and it you have a problem it is really easy to get someone on the phone!!

Tom Warren
The six firms are due to be named when the deal is officially confirmed later.

They are:

Carphone Warehouse

Interesting. The chairman of Carphone Warehouse has categorically said that they won't indulge in this because they are a conduit to the internet and are not required or obliged to monitor connections in such a way that would provide alleged copyright infringement evidence to a private institution such as BPI. In essence he said "get bent" to BPI and any other fishers, and I heartily agree with him.

Virgin already have form in this regard, having already sent out "advisory" letters which weren't advisories but warnings, no matter what they say. I'm not surprised BT has decided to jump on this bandwagon.

you can remove the record just like you can remove yourself from membership with the internet police a.k.a ISP

Internet's Stupid Police

can i get a lossless rip of that record please! cue & log or it'll be nuked!

Various Artists - Now that's what i call a rip off, Vol #203,342 "Don't download me or i'll have to sell the classic car collection and the spanish villa" [2008/MP3/320/Scene]

i guess we have to go through this as the music industry gulps it's last breath before drowning in a sea of piracy.
here's an idea. move with the times and set up new distribution channels, delivering lossless content at a reasonable price. Yes, i said lossless, not 128kbps, not 160! LOSSLESS, that's CD quality, i.e. no LOSS. ffs, it's quite easy to understand, we're tired of paying a 300% markup on your outdated silver discs. The old business model WILL NO LONGER WORK, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. Give me this option and i WILL buy my music. Currently i am trying really hard to buy what i download, but guess what, it's not always possible is it? so here i am, money in paypal waiting to PAY YOU and i can't. You insist i should pay way over the odds for a format i immediately rip music from and then dump into a cupboard. Nobody wants this, we're all using digital music players! cd's don't fit into them! HELLO?!? is anyone actually listening?

How come the government never did anything to help book publishers? they've seen their entire product lines scanned and pdf'd then distributed all over the net. In the industry i work in, IT staff now carry USB sticks rammed with pdfs, rarely do i see anyone with a paper book on their desk. Nobody did anything to stop that, so what did the publishers do? they moved with the times, produced ebooks and sold them for a reasonable price on line.

what if some other organisation decides that they don't like what you are doing on the internet? if they apply enough pressure on the govt will they get their way too? Where does this end exactly? Controlled internet access ala China, that's where. This is ****ing rediculous. The UK is turning into a Stalinist police state.

But the music industry wants people's internet cut off if they ignore repeated warnings, something the web firms say they are not prepared to do.

So, all it is really is a slapped wrist! lol

Here are some of my favourite from the Have Your Say on the BBC

If your provider does this then they are breaching your privacy, i suggest you cancel your broadband contract and move to one that doesnt. I dont see how the inability of the record inductry to adapt to change should be policed by others.

1) Impossible to enforce on a uniform scale
2) Legally dangerous as it entails a punishment prior to testing the evidence in court.
3) If the music industry stopped lying about how much file sharing is costing them (not a penny, they just aren't making quite as much profit as they'd like) and stopped their obscene profiteering on lousy product, they might not have to worry so much. If you charge �15 for a product only worth �5, don't be too surprised if people avoid paying.

"If they say they will only chase the illegal ones, how would they know that the content is illegal without snooping in your data?"

They can't. Either A) they monitor all data traffic or B) they snoop on anyone using more than an "average" amount of bandwidth. Neither should make you happy.

As for why it hasn't been used on kiddie porn (for example), profits matter more than people. That's the great rule of our age.

and i absolutely agree
here is what i wrote:
If i find i have recieved a letter this morning, not only will i write to my ISP explaining why they are breaching their privacy promise, but i will cancel my broadband with them, i will threaten them with legal action and i will push for money back that i have paid them.

It's a conspiracy to get people off, because they're overselling bandwidth.

Those who stayed will finally enjoy true broadband.

They don't need to snoop your data. BPI or other copyright holder connects to a torrent that's distributing their material. They collect IP address and times and this information gets sent to the ISP.

ISP then looks at their logs, corresponds IP to user and sends accusing letter. Easy