New Apple TV revealed; cloud storage, iPhone OS for $99

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The next version of Apple TV has been revealed by Engadget, stating a source very close to Apple has confirmed the next version will support Cloud storage, with the iPhone OS interface and best of all, it will retail for $99.

The device is said to be based on the 4th generation iPhone, right down to the internals, including the A4 processor.  The device will have 16GB of storage and 1080p HD output.  The new Apple TV will be quite small, being roughly the same size as the 4th generation iPhone, without a touch screen, and will have minimal ports - power and (HDMI?) video output.

Apple has been working on the next version of Apple TV long before Google TV was announced, and will move towards cloud storage, unlike the iPhone, which uses local flash storage.  Additionally, the device will support external storage devices, utilizing a Time Capsule to keep your data locally. The devices main focus will be on streaming content and will retail for $99 US.

There wasn't any mention if the next Apple TV will feature an AppStore or apps for that matter, but it will have an iPhone OS 4.0 operating system.

However, Apple will not be delivering the juicy news at WWDC on June 7, but will focus on the features of the next iPhone and the iPhone OS 4.0.

image credit: Engadget.com

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So...ok. I don't have cable or anything right now because I'd only watch probably 4-5 channels (discovery, history, NBC, Fox, maybe G4 or a music channel). Would this, or possibly Google TV be an adequate substitute for subscribing to cable and paying for stuff I won't watch? I

'm in Canada so I know Hulu won't work, but is there a chance with Google TV if networks like The Comedy Network, CTV, Global TV, etc. already have a web player on their site (usually Silverlight, I think) that it'll be able to be pushed to the TV to play rather than watch it on a computer screen? If it's all just iTunes store content on the Apple TV I probably won't get one, although $99 if awfully cheap...I know I can just download and stream shows I watch using my Xbox 360 but I figured if you could stream without having to download it that'd be a lot more convenient.

Thoughts?

stokd said,
So...ok. I don't have cable or anything right now because I'd only watch probably 4-5 channels (discovery, history, NBC, Fox, maybe G4 or a music channel). Would this, or possibly Google TV be an adequate substitute for subscribing to cable and paying for stuff I won't watch? I

'm in Canada so I know Hulu won't work, but is there a chance with Google TV if networks like The Comedy Network, CTV, Global TV, etc. already have a web player on their site (usually Silverlight, I think) that it'll be able to be pushed to the TV to play rather than watch it on a computer screen? If it's all just iTunes store content on the Apple TV I probably won't get one, although $99 if awfully cheap...I know I can just download and stream shows I watch using my Xbox 360 but I figured if you could stream without having to download it that'd be a lot more convenient.

Thoughts?

What I've seen from googleTV. It will be your best bet. I've heard that the new appleTV will really be for iTunes only media.

stokd said,
Thoughts?

The Canada part sucks, cuz that's really gonna put a damper on your options, but you already know that. Personally I have no interest in stuff like this since I use Play On with my PS3 (streams a LOT of video sites, from Hulu/Netflix to CBS/Cartoon Network). I'm pretty sure Play On is available for XBox as well, and might be something for you to consider. It's dirt cheap, and if you had to use a proxy server to access US content, well...at least it'd be a one-time configuration thing.


Depending on promos, PlayOn can be had for 20-40 bucks, and I think they're starting a subscription model soon for access to premium content, but I'm not sure of the details.


/the downside? it runs on another computer in your network, so that computer would have to be turned on to access the content. if you usually have a computer on anyway, it's a solid option.

Edited by Joshie, May 30 2010, 4:36pm :

A huge round of applause for Apple, they surely know how to milk a dead cow. As the saying goes there's a sucker born every minute.

A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + HDMI 1080p output + No Screen = $99
A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + 9.7" Touch Screen = $499 iPad

Wow...

TruckWEB said,
A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + HDMI 1080p output + No Screen = $99
A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + 9.7" Touch Screen = $499 iPad

Wow...


lol...

TruckWEB said,
A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + HDMI 1080p output + No Screen = $99
A4 CPU + 16Gb + iPhone OS + 9.7" Touch Screen = $499 iPad

Wow...

Combine that with a subscription fee and only being able to play iTunes purchased media... They could recoup any monetary losses on the hardware pretty easily.

Bengal34 said,

Combine that with a subscription fee and only being able to play iTunes purchased media... They could recoup any monetary losses on the hardware pretty easily.

Apple doesn't really work like this. Do you see them in the console gaming business? As for requiring only Apple media purchased for iTunes Store, at this point it would not really sell. What happens to family photos or videos? What about prior music collections? What about prior video collections? Not a chance.

I wonder if they will put a digital output (coaxial or toslink) and not only and HDMI port.

I have a custom-built HTPC on the living room but I gave my mom a WD TV as a gift so she can watch HD movies on her plasma. This device is hard to beat when it comes to simplicity and functionality. There's even custom firmware to use external optical drive (it supports only external hdd's) and whatnot. The newer WD TV Live adds streaming and dts decoding. With the WD TV you need to hook it up to an A/V receiver for it to pass through dts audio.

I would keep an eye on this one as it seems interesting, at leas for non tech-savvy people.

One thing people might want to take into consideration as an alternative that I don't think I've really seen mentioned here is the built media center in Windows 7. It has a really nice quality interface, is very easy to setup, and you can just get a media extender or whatever their called to use it with your TV, or multiple TV's and audio systems throughout the house. Couple of other pluses, it'll run from your PC which likely means big storage, fast processing, and it comes free with W7. =)

Jeddyb said,
One thing people might want to take into consideration as an alternative that I don't think I've really seen mentioned here is the built media center in Windows 7. It has a really nice quality interface, is very easy to setup, and you can just get a media extender or whatever their called to use it with your TV, or multiple TV's and audio systems throughout the house. Couple of other pluses, it'll run from your PC which likely means big storage, fast processing, and it comes free with W7. =)

I don't like the idea of having two devices running like that. I'd rather have it synced and save electricity.

Mike Brown said,

I don't like the idea of having two devices running like that. I'd rather have it synced and save electricity.

There's also the option of the xBox360. It's integrated in with zune and it's marketplace.

It needs Blu-Ray, AND it needs to support my cable provider (Vidéotron), so that I can sell my cable terminal called “illico” and just get the AppleTV instead, since it has an Apple quality user interface.

PsykX said,
It needs Blu-Ray, AND it needs to support my cable provider (Vidéotron), so that I can sell my cable terminal called “illico” and just get the AppleTV instead, since it has an Apple quality user interface.

Hey Apple, PsykX wants this and that. Try and make it for under £100 Ok? You might lose a profit but who cares.

There is no way that Apple will release this for $99. Apple is not willing to release a product at this kind of a loss in order to entice customers to spend money on media from the iTunes Store. Apple has a history of releasing products that make much more than the cost of building them. My god, this is the company that sells a displayless mp3 player for $50 to $80.

What next... a $299 Mac Mini that uses an AMD quad core. Maybe Apple can just ditch the full Mac OS X and installed the stripped down iPhone OS.

Not going to happen. Maybe at $199 to $250. Maybe.

If this is getting cloud support (i presume iDisk) does that mean iPhone is finally getting native iDisk support?

iDisk on the iPad with pages, etc would be awesome.

If this is based on the 4th gen iPhone, how come the 4th gen iphone will cost more to buy?
Does that mean the screen of the iPhone is worth $300-$400 as that is all that is missing really.

warwagon said,
I always thought the Apple TV was the red headed step child of apple.

And now they're putting him up for adoption, at a low price of $99

Sounds like its going to have some impressive specs and be priced well, but I still don't really see the use for an Apple TV over say a HTPC.

Guys... Apple is selling you this for you to rent movies at iTunes, since that's about the only thing you can do with it. Any addition storage will be cloud based ($uscription). Apple gives nothing for cheap.

Charles Keledjian said,
Guys... Apple is selling you this for you to rent movies at iTunes, since that's about the only thing you can do with it. Any addition storage will be cloud based ($uscription). Apple gives nothing for cheap.
Riiiight. While I purchase shows from iTunes, I've only rented a movie once or twice. I mostly use it to stream my content from my Mac to my TV. It's fantastic for that. Lovely interface and works as I expect it too. Only downside currently is slow processor, no 1080p, and streaming is limited to iTunes library.

It's still a fantastic product, even if you only use it to stream media.

Xero said,
Riiiight. While I purchase shows from iTunes, I've only rented a movie once or twice. I mostly use it to stream my content from my Mac to my TV. It's fantastic for that. Lovely interface and works as I expect it too. Only downside currently is slow processor, no 1080p, and streaming is limited to iTunes library.

It's still a fantastic product, even if you only use it to stream media.

You realize that you could have got an XBox 360 and done the same thing for less? Or even bought any DLNA device for $50-150 bucks depending on if you get one with a BluRay player in it that also does the same thing?

I'm not so sure why the Apple device seems 'good' to people when it don't do 1080p and doesn't play nice with non-Apple media and online content.

If the new Apple TV will stream pictures and music as well as the XBOX 360 and Windows Media Center, this may finally be the thing to get me to "go mac."

KoL said,
$99 sounds good but first I need to see what's really included.
I'm worried about lack of internal storage. Especially if it streams as ****ty as it currently does. Most of my high bitrate HD movies constantly buffer. Really annoying. Syncing is fine but if they limit it to 16GB, thats like what? 2 HD movies? $99 is a great price, but I'd gladly pay more for significant storage.

Xero said,
$99 is a great price, but I'd gladly pay more for significant storage.

16gb would probably be the entry level in order to have a $99 price tag. I'm sure there'll be more expensive 32gb and 64gb configurations available too.

protocol7 said,

16gb would probably be the entry level in order to have a $99 price tag. I'm sure there'll be more expensive 32gb and 64gb configurations available too.
Even still, I don't want flash storage. I don't need it for media playback. I'd be happier with 500GB 2.5" HDD. Using flash memory in a set top box seems really strange. Especially when people aren't using this actively like an iPhone. Although currently it gets hot as hell. So it'd no doubt run drastically cooler with flash memory.

Xero said,
Even still, I don't want flash storage. I don't need it for media playback. I'd be happier with 500GB 2.5" HDD. Using flash memory in a set top box seems really strange. Especially when people aren't using this actively like an iPhone. Although currently it gets hot as hell. So it'd no doubt run drastically cooler with flash memory.

Maybe they'll have two models:

$99 - 16GB
$199 - 16GB + 500GB media storage

The 16GB flash being for the OS and for apps on both devices.

Stetson said,

Maybe they'll have two models:

$99 - 16GB
$199 - 16GB + 500GB media storage

The 16GB flash being for the OS and for apps on both devices.

I hope there are larger models, I don't want my movies residing in the cloud. I want them right where I can get them fast. But honestly if you have an Xbox 360 or PS3 then the Apple TV is pointless. But I hope they can sell a ton of them.

Xero said,
Even still, I don't want flash storage. I don't need it for media playback. I'd be happier with 500GB 2.5" HDD. Using flash memory in a set top box seems really strange. Especially when people aren't using this actively like an iPhone. Although currently it gets hot as hell. So it'd no doubt run drastically cooler with flash memory.

From the article
The device will support external storage devices

SaltLife said,

From the article
The device will support external storage devices

It says "Time Capsule". That's Apple's External (wireless) NAS. It doesn't mention being compatible with other external devices. That's a minimum of $299.00.

I'm sure it won't have the iPhone UI itself, only the underlying code. Still cool though, $99 isn't that bad.

$99 US isn't too bad especially considering that the WD TV runs for about $90 as well and has similar functionality. Wonder if it will support up to 1080p?

Cupcakes said,
$99 US isn't too bad especially considering that the WD TV runs for about $90 as well and has similar functionality. Wonder if it will support up to 1080p?

Yup, the next Apple TV is said to support 1080p. Not sure if it's through HDMI.. which WOULD make sense.. Hopefully Apple doesn't release that mini displayport crap, as they did with their Macbook.

DrunknMunky said,
If it's really that cheap I'd buy one on the spot

Yup, might be the first sale apple ever makes off me.But, I want to know more about it and its limitations.

Edited by shakey, May 28 2010, 4:23pm :

DrunknMunky said,
If it's really that cheap I'd buy one on the spot

I agree, if it comes out that cheap, I would consider buying it, but probably would like to get into the OS and not be locked into their special storage.

Oh and if this does not have Flash they are really droping the Ball!

On a slightly unrealted rant!:
I'm tired of IR remotes when it comes to large UI. You cannot type things in fast enough or speed through content selection menus fast enough. TVs and bluray players are suffering from this already. They need to use some wireless technologies to speed up response time.

Edited by mranderson1st, May 28 2010, 4:26pm : Forgot to add something, did not want to post again.

mranderson1st said,
Oh and if this does not have Flash they are really droping the Ball!

Uh? Who said this would even have a web browser?

Did I read that correctly? Only $99 for the tv? I don't know anything about Apple TV, Is this a subscription fee or something? It's unheard of Apple to release anything for under $100 lol.

shakey said,
Did I read that correctly? Only $99 for the tv? I don't know anything about Apple TV, Is this a subscription fee or something? It's unheard of Apple to release anything for under $100 lol.

It's not the same Mac-Mini-as-a-settop as the old AppleTV. It's now just a box with the iPad's processor, 16GB of flash memory and a video and power port. No HD, no running OS X on it, etc. (That's HDD, not High-Def)

Edited by Eric, May 28 2010, 4:08pm :

GreyWolf said,

It's not the same Mac-Mini-as-a-settop as the old AppleTV. It's now just a box with the iPad's processor, 16GB of flash memory and a video and power port. No HD, no running OS X on it, etc. (That's HDD, not High-Def)

but still is insanely cheap (for a Apple product), so where is it the trick?

GreyWolf said,

It's not the same Mac-Mini-as-a-settop as the old AppleTV. It's now just a box with the iPad's processor, 16GB of flash memory and a video and power port. No HD, no running OS X on it, etc. (That's HDD, not High-Def)

Will it need a special app to view youtube and hulu? Or still no flash
I like the idea behind the internet on tv, just wish it was implemented much better than what has been done in the past.
Also, 16gb is not that much when you are talking about actual tv shows and how many people will most likely record. Would hope adding external memory would be a easy task.

Edited by shakey, May 28 2010, 4:43pm :

Magallanes said,

but still is insanely cheap (for a Apple product), so where is it the trick?

that's what I'm wondering... this is apple, they don't give you something for nothing lol, they normally give you nothing for something, in my opinion

shakey said,

Also, 16gb is not that much when you are talking about actual tv shows and how many people will most likely record. Would hope adding external memory would be a easy task.
It's not for recording...video output only

shakey said,

that's what I'm wondering... this is apple, they don't give you something for nothing lol, they normally give you nothing for something, in my opinion

The trick is that you can't do almost anything with it, EXCEPT rent movies at iTunes and make them richer.

shakey said,

that's what I'm wondering... this is apple, they don't give you something for nothing lol, they normally give you nothing for something, in my opinion

When they give away something as cheap as $99 dollars its means that the device is a piece of **** in terms of what the AppleTV can offer. In other words, reduced price means reduced features to almost been a piece of empty box with the Apple Logo on top.

Charles Keledjian said,

The trick is that you can't do almost anything with it, EXCEPT rent movies at iTunes and make them richer.

Or maybe stream media that you already own from other PCs. But hey, don't let things like 'facts' get in the way of the fanboyism.

Magallanes said,

but still is insanely cheap (for a Apple product), so where is it the trick?

It's subscription based content, of course...

Charles Keledjian said,
The trick is that you can't do almost anything with it, EXCEPT rent movies at iTunes and make them richer.

Ever heard of iTunes streaming or the Air Video app?

Magallanes said,
but still is insanely cheap (for a Apple product), so where is it the trick?

It needs to be on the network, either renting movies from the iTunes Store or connecting to a computer with iTunes and playing movies you've already bought.

Edited by Voice of Buddy Christ, May 29 2010, 12:47pm :

shakey said,
Did I read that correctly? Only $99 for the tv? I don't know anything about Apple TV, Is this a subscription fee or something? It's unheard of Apple to release anything for under $100 lol.
Well it supports cloud storage, my guess is Apple will charge a subscription fee to use that. That is probably why the initial cost is so low, as they'll recoup it on the yearly subscription. Sure you could just use the device on it's own but with only 16Gb of it's own internal storage it's not really going to be that useful to be honest. Naturally this is based purely of wild speculation and my opinion so take with a grain of salt.

mantis- said,

Or maybe stream media that you already own from other PCs. But hey, don't let things like 'facts' get in the way of the fanboyism.

True. Media that you already bought from iTunes (and nowhere else), thanks for reminding me of that.

Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

Any old computer + Myth + a $20 HDMI video card. will be bigger, but will most likely have better storage, and likely better performance if appleTV experinces I've had are any indication

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

I use the WD TV Live and it just streams anything over my PC and plays it on my HDTV, even mkvs with subs play without a hitch. It also supports any external USB drive or USB stick as storage. You can even access those drives from your PC as well.

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

This device is called TiVo

Edited by Andrey, May 28 2010, 5:41pm :

AgentGray said,

Any old computer + Myth + a $20 HDMI video card. will be bigger, but will most likely have better storage, and likely better performance if appleTV experinces I've had are any indication

Yeah, because having any old computer sitting in your living room isn't tacky or anything.

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.
Popcorn hour?

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

- Dell Zino HD HTPCs
- Xbox 360 as a Windows Media Center Extender or even the dashboard can stream videos or load them from a flash/hard drive
- PS3 streaming or loading them into the hard drive
- Google TV, eventually


However, none of those really compare in cost but are much more feature rich

Edited by Trong, May 28 2010, 8:57pm :

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

If you don't care about streaming and 720p/1080p, an iPod Nano or Classic with the TV-out cable will do the job just fine (of course an iPod Touch or iPhone also work, but are in a different league in terms of price).

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

Tons? I got a Patriot Box Office which I put back in the box since I got a QNAP NMP-1000 a week later... either will take an internal HDD as well as stream media over network.

Out of all them suggestions i'm surprised nobody has mentioned a £150 nettop running XBMC yet... that has to be the best and most future proofed solution for playing media on your TV.

InsaneNutter said,
Out of all them suggestions i'm surprised nobody has mentioned a £150 nettop running XBMC yet... that has to be the best and most future proofed solution for playing media on your TV.

Not sure if they have released their new version or not, but based solely on their idle statistics it's certainly not a eco friendly solution. Once they have that worked out, hell yes (If it's not out already)

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

Heck any DLNA device, which now includes many BluRay players.

You can also pick up an XBox for $199 that does everything iTV does plus has a full gaming system and more online content. (From Netlfix and Zune marketplace both with HD content and 1080p movie rentals and purchases to a full online gaming arcade titles plus media center if you have other computers in the house.)

Even a PS3 with BluRay and Media sharing would be a better choice, although the online store options are less robust than an XBox.

The DLNA devices for $149 you get a BluRay player, a Media device that can stream content, and many have access to online movie and music sites as well.

Truly the Apple device is not filling a void and not doing anything better, it is a device so that Apple can sell people access to their online stores, and for that, they should be giving this device away as the content is where they make the money. (Just like a cable Company gives away the Digital Box.)

emzino said,
Is there any alternative to Apple TV? I.e. a device that has mass storage but simply hooks upto your TV so you can watch say films or listen to music.

Man, there are a LOT of options for this, and many are very cheap and capable of using network or local storage, integrating Netflix and other internet streaming options, etc.

If you wanted to get extra nerdy/enthusiastic, you could get into small form-factor computer builds and find an attractive case + microATX system and go to town with Windows 7 and Media Center (which can be run practically in a shell mode). It gives you a lot of options, from sticking to a purely networked machine (throw an 8gb SSD in it for the OS or something) to a full Blu-ray experience (most on-board GPUs can handle 1080p blu-ray at this point), to little tweaks in between (LCD panels, SD card readers, TV tuners or firewire connections to cable boxes).

Naturally, it can get expensive, hah. But it's fun to do, if just for the tetris of desktop components in a small space.

For something in the same price range as Apple TV, there's even the Roku--a sort of mom-friendly device that probably gets the best quality instant stream from Netflix (at least, it had HD before any other device), access to Amazon VoD, Pandora, some other internet content, and network storage. SD is around 80 bucks, HD around 100.

Not that I'd ever get a Roku. It's not complicated enough for me.

mantis- said,

Yeah, because having any old computer sitting in your living room isn't tacky or anything.

There are many home theater-esque cases for computers. They're called HTPCs (home theater PCs), and they don't look tacky at all.

Edited by jwmcpeak, May 30 2010, 7:41pm :

Andrew Lyle said,

It's completely new hardware.. I don't see it happening...
Not that much of a problem... I personally prefer having some storage with it. All my movies are stored on mine and it's simple enough that my gf can use it (she didn't like using the 360's streaming)

Rudy said,
I hope they will update the OS for the older aTV...

The current aTV uses an Intel processor, this new version will use the ARM-based iPhone chip, probably the A4.

Stetson said,
The current aTV uses an Intel processor, this new version will use the ARM-based iPhone chip, probably the A4.

And possibly use an Nvidia chipset for acceleration too considering that Nvidia does provide chipsets for ARM CPU vendors

Shayla said,
Why is this device just not die?

I understand you don't like the Apple TV. But what exactly are you going to gain by wishing for its removal from the market? There are other people in the world who will find this to be a very useful device.

Pharos said,

I understand you don't like the Apple TV. But what exactly are you going to gain by wishing for its removal from the market? There are other people in the world who will find this to be a very useful device.

I guess Mac users will NEVER get native Blu-ray support.

Pharos said,

I understand you don't like the Apple TV. But what exactly are you going to gain by wishing for its removal from the market? There are other people in the world who will find this to be a very useful device.

Don't be silly. Shayla doesn't like it, so that means nobody else is allowed to use and enjoy the product.

PeterTHX said,
I guess Mac users will NEVER get native Blu-ray support.

According to you Mac users are incapable of going to the store to pick up a Blu-ray player?

Edited by .Neo, May 29 2010, 3:43am :

.Neo said,

According to you Mac users are incapable of going to the store to pick up a Blu-ray player?

If you read the post properly, native Blu-Ray support, meaning having a BD drive in the mac computer, with software capable of playing BD media.

BluRay and Flash, Apple knows what's 'best'

jasondefaoite said,

If you read the post properly, native Blu-Ray support, meaning having a BD drive in the mac computer, with software capable of playing BD media.

BluRay and Flash, Apple knows what's 'best'

Actually, 'native support' means it's built into the operating system itself, in which case Windows 7 also fails to have 'native support' for blu-ray.

.Neo said,

According to you Mac users are incapable of going to the store to pick up a Blu-ray player?

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of "native".

mantis- said,

Actually, 'native support' means it's built into the operating system itself, in which case Windows 7 also fails to have 'native support' for blu-ray.

Sure, thanks to the limitations posed by the BD standard. However, Windows is fully capable of running Blu-Ray playback software. And so is a Mac--

--if you install Windows on it, LOL.

/"B-B-B-BUT ALL YOU HAS TO DO IS RIP UR BLURAYS THEN U CAN PLAY THEM"

PeterTHX said,

I guess Mac users will NEVER get native Blu-ray support.

... of course they will. It's a new feature coming in 2016

Edited by Nicholas P., Jun 2 2010, 11:46am :