New iMac and Mac Pro models without optical drives coming?

Back in June at Apple's annual developers conference WWDC, the company refreshed their notebook offering, though the long expected updates for both the iMac and the Mac Pro stayed out. Some new found references suggest that Apple will be updating their desktop range after all, but they could be lacking optical drives.

There are new lines of code to back up the rumour inside some configuration files of Boot Camp in OS X Mountain Lion. 'IM130' could be the next iMac, while 'MP60' could be the new Mac Pro. Because the code was found in a list of models supporting only USB booting, some believe that Apple is continuing the trend to remove the optical drives from their models, just like they did with the new Retina Macbook and the Mac Mini.

Removing the drive creates more valuable space for other components and slims down the chassis. But since the Mac Pro is a tower model and space isn't a big issue, a major design change could be on its way. According to a previous statement of CEO Tim Cook, Apple is "working on something really great for later next year".

Some user submitted Geekbench scores refer to themselves as 'iMac 13,2', backing up the recent rumours. While some of them are probably Hackintosh computers (OS X on non Apple hardware), one of them seems to be legitimate, according to John Poole of Primate Labs, developer of the benchmarking software.

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I can't remember the last time i used my desktop optical drive. Not even sure it's still working lol

Xerino said,
yeah, and even without optical drives, they will still cost an astronomical amount of money...

you do realise an internal DVD burner is like under 20$ right ? removing it doesn't really reduce the price of a machine.

I think you can find external DVD burners for under 40$ these days ...

I was thinking of changing from windows to a Mac as i don't like the new windows 8, but Apple machines are pretty expensive and if they take out the opticle drive then that is no good for me. sure i could get a external drive, but the whole point of a Imac is a all in one desktop machine.

What is it with these companies, first Microsoft dumb down windows, now Apple going to dumb down the Mac. i still use opticle disks for backups as well as burning video onto them.

For audio/video people this is a shame. Now you'll have to tack on an external drive to burn your productions to blu-ray/dvd. Apple is ditching the niche group of video enthusiasts and going straight for the mass consumers. Can't say I blame them. Meanwhile, all you audio/video people, come on over to PC. We have cookies.

Clownsun said,
I'm Happy about this cause I had nothing but problems with the optical drive in the Last Mac I Had

No one forced you to use it with the last mac you had

How can they consider either machine capable of and video editing without an optical drive. It's bad enough Apple refused to adopt bluray.

Never heard of an external drive? I have no idea who you're working for, but the companies I worked with really couldn't be bothered by an extra €50~80 when buying thousands of euros worth of new hardware. Not to mention the fact most DVD burning is done by separate units to begin with that can also print labels onto the discs. We NEVER used the editing workstations for that.

patseguin said,
How can they consider either machine capable of and video editing without an optical drive. It's bad enough Apple refused to adopt bluray.
Machines for doing video editing and such are MacPro's.. and they can hold whatever drives you want.

.Neo said,
Apple successfully did it before by removing all parallel ports and floppy drive from their offerings.

yeah... and had compatablility issues and software distribution issues for years

ingramator said,
yeah... and had compatablility issues and software distribution issues for years

Back in the day Macs came with something called a CD drive (you might have heard of that) which was used for all software distributing. USB was already on the rise. Nice try though.

.Neo said,

Back in the day Macs came with something called a CD drive (you might have heard of that) which was used for all software distributing. USB was already on the rise. Nice try though.

nah man i talking about the serial ports not the CD drive. Yes USB was on the rise but parallel ports were far from over!!

to be honest, I don't think I have used the optical drive of my laptop even once since I bought it (a year ago)

I better stock up now before all you crazy people decide for me, that I don't need an optical drive. I think we need separate planet's, so the crazies can live on one and the sane people on the other.

Tired of being on this one with all the people who try to force their ways on me.

What ??

Apple doesn't prevent you from buying a cheap external optical drive.

Hey some PC makers sells PC without dedicated gpu they want people to stop playing games. yeah right ...

It's time they came up with an all-new design - something that is not based on the same form factor as the previous generation.

every step makes me less likely to own a mac

There keyboards have no tactile feed back. I can never feel where my fingers are on them. Their mice try to revolutionary but they all suck in their own way. Like the mighty mouse with that little ball for scrolling that never works. The new mice also suck. There is no midline mac decently priced. I just want a mac that i can put a video card in without it being a mac pro. In short, i don't know who Apple is marketing toward anymore. Their stuff is beautiful, OSX is a master piece but the hardware that it all runs on sucks and is un-upgradable and/or priced far out of a poor gamers budget.

Put simply, you aren't the target..

That said, if gamers and such become more common on Macs, through Steam and the like, I can see Apple making a computer more geared toward that..

But as it stands now, serious gamers won't even look at Apple, casual gamers use an iPhone or iPad..

As long as your not using it for games, the Magic Mouse is the most productive mouse I've ever owned. But that's only true if you take advantage of the multitouch gestures.

And it's not the first time Apple had dropped old tech in their computers before every one else (floppy drives, dropping old ports for USB, etc) and before long other manufactures follow suit.

virtorio said,
As long as your not using it for games, the Magic Mouse is the most productive mouse I've ever owned. But that's only true if you take advantage of the multitouch gestures.

And it's not the first time Apple had dropped old tech in their computers before every one else (floppy drives, dropping old ports for USB, etc) and before long other manufactures follow suit.

there's a difference between dropping extremely outdated ports or floppy drives that at 1.44MB couldn't even effectively hold a Word documented anymore and dropping support for DVD technology. Movies are still en mass produced on disc. This isn't about dropping an outdated port. It's about removing a competitor to itunes.

seta-san said,

This isn't about dropping an outdated port. It's about removing a competitor to itunes.
But just how many people are watching DVD's on their computers at this point (I've never done it on my current computer)? If it were a lot then Microsoft wouldn't be dropping native support for DVD playback in Windows 8. Dropping the optical drive for an additional disk drive is more valuable to users in 2012.

seta-san said,

there's a difference between dropping extremely outdated ports or floppy drives that at 1.44MB couldn't even effectively hold a Word documented anymore and dropping support for DVD technology. Movies are still en mass produced on disc. This isn't about dropping an outdated port. It's about removing a competitor to itunes.

Actually when they dropped Flopies, that was still the main way of exchanging information between PC's.

Movies are watched on TV.. very few people actually watch DVD's on their computers.. Laptops, ya, sometimes, but not your desktop.

Princess Chica Ami said,
I doubt that optical drivers are any useful now since you can get content from online services.

First optical drivers dies, then hard drives.

Agreed and even if you're a producer there is always external hard disk, transferring over the internet (most studios have 100mbps+ fibre optic connections with a good portion of selling now taking place via online demand services such as netflix, hulu and Apple's own iTunes stores. The only people who are annoyed by the move are the distributors and other middle men who will cease existing when there is a direct line from the creator to the place where the product is being sold.

I honestly can't remember the last time I used an optical drive on any of my computers..

I install OS's via USB.. it's one reason I just went for a MBA for my new Laptop.. Small, lite, no wasted space.. [ also I wanted to have a Mac again.. ]

What about the Mac Minis? Are new models coming? I just got one and I'm scared it's already obsolete lol. I bought the cheapest one for iPhone dev and holy **** it's slow, always lagging, waiting and locking up (I had it for a week and I installed ML as soon as I got it). I'm sure they are making OS X slow on purpose to punish people for not spending enough money on their crap.. On the other hand Windows 8 runs like a charm on it... Oh and those *******s at Apple just had to put 1 Gig cards in both slots just to make sure it costs a bit more if you want to upgrade! Typical Apple ****!

Edited by PmRd, Aug 11 2012, 2:58am :

buff it up put more memory and a ssd and it might be faster

PmRd said,
What about the Mac Minis? Are new models coming? I just bought the cheapest one for iPhone dev and holy **** it's slow, always lagging, waiting and locking up (I had it for a week and I installed ML as soon as I got it). I'm sure they are making OS X slow on purpose to punish people for not spending enough money on their crap.. On the other hand Windows 8 runs like a charm on it... Oh and those *******s at Apple just had to put 1 Gig cards in both slots just to make sure it costs a bit more if you want to upgrade! Typical Apple ****!

David085 said,
buff it up put more memory and a ssd and it might be faster

Yeah maybe a bit more RAM would help with MonoDevelop and XCode, but most of the slowness I get is from the system with no big apps running. System Preferences takes forever to open, new Finder windows take a while to open up. Chrome is laggy as hell. App Store updates something do nothing when I click Install. Maybe it's because I hate Apple so much but my experience so far of owning a Mac has been real ****

Oh and developing using XCode is a nightmare, it's so complicated and counter-intuitive, the IDE is so awfull. I usually develop for Windows Phone, maybe it's easier or it maybe was made for people who wish to remain sane.

Edited by PmRd, Aug 11 2012, 3:44am :

virtorio said,
OS X runs bad with 2 GB of RAM. Saying that, so does Windows 7.

Windows 7 and 8 run just fine with 2GB no less

virtorio said,
Good for you! And when I say Windows 8 runs just fine with 2GB it's probably because I have that computer in front of me running it just fine (even with Visual Studio 2012 open).

PmRd said,
Good for you! And when I say Windows 8 runs just fine with 2GB it's probably because I have that computer in front of me running it just fine (even with Visual Studio 2012 open).
Then that's great, I have yet to try Windows 8 in a production environment. I was directing my comments more at Windows 7. Up until very recently I had to occasionally upkeep and rebuild a fairly large Visual Studio 2008 project on a Windows 7 machine with 2 GB of RAM and it was anything but fine.

virtorio said,
Then that's great, I have yet to try Windows 8 in a production environment. I was directing my comments more at Windows 7. Up until very recently I had to occasionally upkeep and rebuild a fairly large Visual Studio 2008 project on a Windows 7 machine with 2 GB of RAM and it was anything but fine.

32bit or 64bit? If 64bit then that's probably why you weren't having such a good time.

Surely the Mac Pro would need a disk drive? I mean at that price its pretty much exclusively for professionals who are far more likely to burn copies of video or audio from their Macs?

McKay said,
Surely the Mac Pro would need a disk drive? I mean at that price its pretty much exclusively for professionals who are far more likely to burn copies of video or audio from their Macs?

Getting rid of optical drives means getting rid of yet another one of those pesky ways you can circumvent the app store. If you want to install software, watch movies or listen to music, and you aren't using the app store, you're using it wrong. If you can't function as a "professional" with these restrictions, maybe you should have chosen a more productive platform.

Also, the high price doesn't mean it's for professionals, it just means you have to be a particularly special person to have one.

IronChef75 said,

Getting rid of optical drives means getting rid of yet another one of those pesky ways you can circumvent the app store. If you want to install software, watch movies or listen to music, and you aren't using the app store, you're using it wrong. If you can't function as a "professional" with these restrictions, maybe you should have chosen a more productive platform.

Also, the high price doesn't mean it's for professionals, it just means you have to be a particularly special person to have one.

Look around, how often do you see a Mac Pro that isn't being used in a professional production environment? Most time freelancers or people that work from home use iMacs. I'd guess that 80-90% of Mac Pros are sold to businesses for their AfterEffects and Final Cut teams, or some other 3D rendering.

Buy an inexpensive external optical drive. I personally think taking out the optical drive in stupid, but it's not the end of the world.

IronChef75 said,
Getting rid of optical drives means getting rid of yet another one of those pesky ways you can circumvent the app store. If you want to install software, watch movies or listen to music, and you aren't using the app store, you're using it wrong. If you can't function as a "professional" with these restrictions, maybe you should have chosen a more productive platform.

Also, the high price doesn't mean it's for professionals, it just means you have to be a particularly special person to have one.

Which is a load of crap given that I can easily purchase software and music from non-Apple sources; my CS6 Suite I bought straight from Adobe's online store and downloaded the dmg files from them - so where is this 'lock down' or are you just pulling stuff out of your backside as usual?

@mac said,
Most time freelancers or people that work from home use iMacs.

bull****. I see almost zero iMacs in people's homes, certainly none being used for any work related activities, and the few I do see are glorified Facebook computers. The only Apple computers I see in businesses are usually used by some self proclaimed 'artist' who convinced their boss that they needed one. Funnily, it's usually these people that get sacked for being generally useless at their job and get nothing done despite finding more than enough time to tell everyone in the office that they should be using Macs at every opportunity.

Mr Nom Nom's said,

Which is a load of crap given that I can easily purchase software and music from non-Apple sources?

You have to have your head in the sand to not see that OSX is quickly becoming as locked down as the iOS devices. The app store/iTunes WILL eventually become the only means of getting anything on or off your device. Enjoy the view from your jail cell.

IronChef75 said,

bull****. I see almost zero iMacs in people's homes, certainly none being used for any work related activities, and the few I do see are glorified Facebook computers.


Don't know many freelancers then? Nearly ever freelancer that comes into my company mention having a Mac at home and hate that we give them a PC if they don't do Design/Video/Development

IronChef75 said,

The only Apple computers I see in businesses are usually used by some self proclaimed 'artist' who convinced their boss that they needed one. Funnily, it's usually these people that get sacked for being generally useless at their job and get nothing done despite finding more than enough time to tell everyone in the office that they should be using Macs at every opportunity.

Then you must never work in or have seen a company that has a huge creative staff.

So I guess the 100+ designers, coders and video editors in my office are all terrible at their job. *rolls eyes* Believe it or not many companies still believe that if you need to do design work then you need a Mac. That's the real world, wether or not you like it, but what would my company know, we only make 7 billion a year developing websites, print ads, TV commercials, videos and web/iOS apps.

Apparently you become one of the 3 worlds biggest advertising groups by doing everything wrong.

@mac said,
Nearly ever freelancer that comes into my company mention having a Mac at home.

So your experience with your ONE business entitles you to speak on behalf of the entire planet and make up crazy statistics? Typical Apple zealot presumption and arrogance. I deal with hundreds of individual businesses, but so what?

@mac said,
Believe it or not many companies still believe that if you need to do design work then you need a Mac.

And they're wrong. Everyone with half a clue that hasn't joined the iCult knows that's not true, and you sound like you agree. You're the one who works for a marketing firm. What reasons can you suggest for this sheep like mentallity?

IronChef75 said,

You have to have your head in the sand to not see that OSX is quickly becoming as locked down as the iOS devices. The app store/iTunes WILL eventually become the only means of getting anything on or off your device. Enjoy the view from your jail cell.

Based on what exactly, an optional security feature in Mountain Lion that is easy to turn off? Microsoft is already there if you want "Metro" software in Windows 8.

IronChef75 said,
You have to have your head in the sand to not see that OSX is quickly becoming as locked down as the iOS devices. The app store/iTunes WILL eventually become the only means of getting anything on or off your device. Enjoy the view from your jail cell.

And your evidence for this is? Don't say the apllication signing by default or 'Gate Keeper' because it would clearly illustrate your flat out ignorance to not only OS X but the policy itself. Compare that to Microsoft where WinRT apps can only be distributed throught the marketplace - either submit to Microsoft if you want future API enhancements or be satisfied with win32 in its current form.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
And your evidence for this is?

LoL. I don't need to mention anything so technical or convoluted. They're Apple. It's what they do. Every time they blink something is locked down, restricted, removed, banned, or sued.

Microsoft, and the way WinRT is implemented in Windows 8 (the desktop still works as before, and isn't going anywhere or getting abandoned), looks like ponies and sunshine compared to the totalitarian fascist regime Apple have built. Only time will tell how well Microsoft will treat their users and developers in their walled garden. They could end up being equally disgusting.

IronChef75 said,

LoL. I don't need to mention anything so technical or convoluted.

Well if you want to be taken seriously, you kind of do.

They're Apple. It's what they do
Xbox Live Marketplace, Windows Phone 7 Marketplace, Windows 8 App Store. It seems that's what Microsoft does.

Every time they blink something is locked down, restricted, removed, banned,

Feel free to provide some examples.

Microsoft, and the way WinRT is implemented in Windows 8 looks like ponies and sunshine compared to the totalitarian fascist regime Apple have built.

Do go on.

(the desktop still works as before, and isn't going anywhere or getting abandoned),

The Desktop goes against their new vision of one ecosystem, multiple devices. So lets wait and see just what happens with Win32 (and what kind of improvements they make in that environment) in the future.

IronChef75 said,
LoL. I don't need to mention anything so technical or convoluted. They're Apple. It's what they do. Every time they blink something is locked down, restricted, removed, banned, or sued.

Yes you do - you make a claim then you bloody well back up that claim with some sort of evidence of reasoned argument. If I said the very same thing you said regarding Microsoft with nothing to back it up I would be laughed off the forum but when you spew half baked opinions paraded as fact we have 3 idiots vote your comment up as if content doesn't matter only the sentiment of the poster does.

Microsoft, and the way WinRT is implemented in Windows 8 (the desktop still works as before, and isn't going anywhere or getting abandoned), looks like ponies and sunshine compared to the totalitarian fascist regime Apple have built. Only time will tell how well Microsoft will treat their users and developers in their walled garden. They could end up being equally disgusting.

Of course hence the reason I don't trust either one of them especially Apple when it comes to AppStore and stupid decisions to reject certain applications because - well because they can. Sorry but you've jumped to conclusions about me that simply aren't backed up by my posting history on Neowin - how about next time you research before pointing the finger.

virtorio said,
The Desktop goes against their new vision of one ecosystem, multiple devices. So lets wait and see just what happens with Win32 (and what kind of improvements they make in that environment) in the future.

You're making a leap to assume that win32 is deprecated or that desktop is ending - Microsoft history has shown that they're quite happy to maintain several API's on the go with each targeting a certain type of user, be they enterprise, home user or the technically inclined. I don't see the desktop being replaced any time soon given that there is a whole market out there with applications where Metro simply is not a viable interface to write complex applications using hence we might see Metro as the 'consumer face' to many applications for end users but the desktop will still be there for power users.

As for Mac OS X - I'm waiting to see where they go to in the future because quite frankly Apple has pretty much stagnated and now iOS has all the attention. It isn't just about features, although more features are always nice but the complete lack of focus when it comes to fixing long standing OpenGL bugs that annoy game developers, the poorly optimised drivers, the huge number of AppKit bugs that are listed and complained about in numerous open source bugzilla entries (check out Firefox as the best example of it). For me I'm going to be waiting till next year for the Haswell based laptops/desktops to be released and Windows 8 to receive its first update before evaluating whether I keep going with the Mac platform and OS X for the next few years until Windows 9 comes out where by I can re-evaluate things again.

ingramator said,
Please leave...

You've been registered for slightly over a month so don't get all uppity about your so-called standing in the Neowin community.

IronChef75 said,

So your experience with your ONE business entitles you to speak on behalf of the entire planet and make up crazy statistics? Typical Apple zealot presumption and arrogance. I deal with hundreds of individual businesses, but so what?

If you actually read you'd see that I said that freelancers are more likely to have an iMac at home than a Mac Pro, not that all freelancers use Macs. So how about you stop making yourself look like an idiot and stop putting words in my mouth

IronChef75 said,

And they're wrong. Everyone with half a clue that hasn't joined the iCult knows that's not true, and you sound like you agree. You're the one who works for a marketing firm. What reasons can you suggest for this sheep like mentallity?

Who ever said that they were right? I just said that's HOW IT IS. Most of the reason is due to the fact that when the people were in college they LEARNED on Macs because the colleges used Mac labs, or their teachers recommended Mac's. I can only assume that because that,s due to how, in my experience Adobe products crash a lot less on Mac than PC. So when you spend your whole college life being told that Mac is better for design than PC, you eventually just blindly accept that. Even more so when you know nothing about technology.

And for the record I grew up using Windows from 3.1 till XP at home. Then when Vista came out I was so annoyed with it that I tried OS X and haven't had any of the common problems that Windows does. Less infections to worry about, less driver issues, and a trackpad that actually works, very well. I thought about moving back for Windows 7, but after 10.5 .6 and .7 most my software was for OS X, so why would I repurchase it all for Windows when after using Windows 8 I realized that I hate 8 more than I hated Vista.

I'm not an iSheep, I just hate Microsoft's "vision" more than Apples.

Edited by AltimaXP, Aug 11 2012, 4:35pm :

IronChef75 said,

bull****. I see almost zero iMacs in people's homes, certainly none being used for any work related activities, and the few I do see are glorified Facebook computers. The only Apple computers I see in businesses are usually used by some self proclaimed 'artist' who convinced their boss that they needed one. Funnily, it's usually these people that get sacked for being generally useless at their job and get nothing done despite finding more than enough time to tell everyone in the office that they should be using Macs at every opportunity.

So true. "I'm an artist, I need a Mac" BS.

still1 said,
looking for next mac refresh hopefully this rumored refresh... Ditching Windows 8 for mac.

Meanwhile, I have installed Win8 on my 4 year old Mini that is no longer supported by Apple. Nice to see Microsoft supporting the hardware that Apple doesn't.

nohone said,

Meanwhile, I have installed Win8 on my 4 year old Mini that is no longer supported by Apple. Nice to see Microsoft supporting the hardware that Apple doesn't.


better than just modifying UI with Metro crap....
All MS do is modify UI and no feature added.

still1 said,

better than just modifying UI with Metro crap....
All MS do is modify UI and no feature added.

And what has Apple done with Cougar?

It is no mistake they named the latest version of OSX Mountain Lion. Mountain Lion is just another word for cougar - which could also be a middle aged woman discarded by those who once used and paid big money for her. Pumped full of Botox in order to make herself feel pretty, but in reality those who really know beauty only see the overstuffed fake lips, wrinkles, drawn on fake eyelashes, and the bolt-ons that are hard and scarred. And really, after the years of trying to be something and not making a difference in the world, all she has left is to try to go after the young ones, who are too young and inexperienced to know what a real woman is. And after a short while, she is dumped and looking for someone else foolish enough to give her a try.

Mountain Lion - the old, dried up OS of the computer world.

still1 said,

better than just modifying UI with Metro crap....
All MS do is modify UI and no feature added.

Your ignorance is painfully obvious. Saying MS only modifies the UI is exactly like saying Apple only modifies their UI just to look slightly prettier. They both add new features and better security. With Windows 8 no one is forcing you to use the metro theme, you can use classic desktop and a lot of people will probably do that, once they realize the option to use it is there.

Oh, and instead of buying a mac, why not just build your own? You can save a lot of money doing that.

still1 said,
what is happening to people when I dump windows 8???

People try to correct your incredible ignorance. "All MS do is modify UI" really.

Cøi said,

People try to correct your incredible ignorance. "All MS do is modify UI" really.

I know what MS do with their OS... I am a geek... but love people when they cant stand their favorite being dumped

Cøi said,

People try to correct your incredible ignorance. "All MS do is modify UI" really.

I know what MS do with their OS... I am a geek... but love people when they cant stand their favorite being dumped

still1 said,

better than just modifying UI with Metro crap....
All MS do is modify UI and no feature added.

Do you have some sort of disability or what? Maybe you're blind or just ****ing ignorant?

still1 said,
looking for next mac refresh hopefully this rumored refresh... Ditching Windows 8 for mac.

How can you be ditching a product that's not even out yet. Are you ditching Windows 9 as well???

still1 said,

I know what MS do with their OS... I am a geek... but love people when they cant stand their favorite being dumped

Well if you had just followed the Neowin feed you would have seen about 50% of Windows 8's changes, besides all the (obvious) under the hood ones. Wether Windows 8 is "my favourite" really can't be determined from this conversation.

Clamdigger63 said,

How can you be ditching a product that's not even out yet. Are you ditching Windows 9 as well???


ever heard of win 8 RP?? DP?? that's how!!! if I go mac then yes i will ditch 9 as well...

IronChef75 said,
Take out optical drive. Put prices up. Revolutionary!

Typical fanboy comment, new models typically remain the same in cost, unless it's a major upgrade. But a specs bump with a minor design refresh costs about the same as the out going model, give or take a few bucks.

Enron said,
I'm waiting for the new iMac with no keyboard.

Not happening anytime soon. Steve himself spoke of how uncomfortable and tiring he felt on using humongous (27 inch displays) displays for touch....

shockz said,

Typical fanboy comment, new models typically remain the same in cost, unless it's a major upgrade. But a specs bump with a minor design refresh costs about the same as the out going model, give or take a few bucks.

I'm not a fanboy of anything, I just dislike overtly evil companies that people worship without thought or reason.

Even if the price remanes the same, you can bet that whatever incremental 'upgrades' are included won't be worth enough to offset the savings of removing entire features. It's just how they roll. I mean it was overpriced to start with!

shockz said,

Typical fanboy comment, new models typically remain the same in cost, unless it's a major upgrade. But a specs bump with a minor design refresh costs about the same as the out going model, give or take a few bucks.

Well, that's easy when it costs an extra $200 to jump from 4 GB to 8GB of RAM in their machines. It's not a fanboy comment, just not someone drinking the Apple Kool-Aid.

devHead said,

Well, that's easy when it costs an extra $200 to jump from 4 GB to 8GB of RAM in their machines. It's not a fanboy comment, just not someone drinking the Apple Kool-Aid.


Except it costs $100. That's still expensive, but much smaller than the amount you quoted. And it looks good when it costs $175 on Dell.com to go from 4GB or 8GB on their (business) machines.

IronChef75 said,

I'm not a fanboy of anything, I just dislike overtly evil companies that people worship without thought or reason.

Even if the price remanes the same, you can bet that whatever incremental 'upgrades' are included won't be worth enough to offset the savings of removing entire features. It's just how they roll. I mean it was overpriced to start with!

No one's worshipping them. It's just sad that many people have to defend their choice of product to these jackasses who want to tell them how they should be spending their money, when the products are pretty much on par with one another. One carries an Apple logo, oh boo hoo. Meanwhile, Google's been in trouble numerous times for spying, but I don't see anyone bitching at them about it...

I'm not trying to take sides on this, but if you want to bring "evil deeds" into this, I don't see how evil producing a product that the consumer has a choice in buying is worse than one who's been caught spying on you.

(I still use Google products, I'm just saying for the sake of argument here...)

SubZenit said,
I use my optical drive only to burn discs with OS's, that's all.

Yes, pretty much. The only other thing I can think of is my new car's CD player, which stupidly has USB connectivity only as an accessory. I will probably end up buying that accessory later.

Otherwise I can't really think of anything I use CD's for. If I watch movies, I either stream or download. Same with TV series. And music. The games I play also support online downloads.

Most likely going to pick up a 27" iMac when they come out (sold mine in Feb expecting a refresh in the Spring...)

JessJess said,
Not shocked. The optical drives are dead weight.

For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac, and reinstall CS6. Not to mention burning discs for other things.

farmeunit said,

For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac.

Apple doesn't care about you, it cares about your money being in their pockets

farmeunit said,

For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac.

These few people can buy an external optical drive

farmeunit said,

For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac, and reinstall CS6. Not to mention burning discs for other things.

I haven't used an optical drive in years, all USB/external HD's now.

JessJess said,
Not shocked. The optical drives are dead weight.

Tell that to my video production team that burns of Blurays and DVDs for our clients, and often receives assets on DVDs. There are many reasons to still want a DVD or Bluray drive on a MacPro. or installing major software. Many places still use FInal Cut 7 as X is still behind on many things, and is only installable from DVD. On an iMac it could have SOME validity.

If for no other reason then how would a person rip all their DVDs and CDs.

Once they make a Mac Pro that you can not change the internal cards, or add 48GB of RAM after purchase without paying the Apple tax the Mac Pro will be dead to MANY companies.

@mac said,
Tell that to my video production team that burns of Blurays and DVDs for our clients, and often receives assets on DVDs. There are many reasons to still want a DVD or Bluray drive on a MacPro. or installing major software. Many places still use FInal Cut 7 as X is still behind on many things, and is only installable from DVD. On an iMac it could have SOME validity.

If for no other reason then how would a person rip all their DVDs and CDs.

Once they make a Mac Pro that you can not change the internal cards, or add 48GB of RAM after purchase without paying the Apple tax the Mac Pro will be dead to MANY companies.

Then just buy an external one given that you'll need for BluRay given that BluRay aren't a BTO choice anyway.

farmeunit said,
For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac, and reinstall CS6. Not to mention burning discs for other things.

Download the dmg from Adobe, mount it, install the software, unmount then back up the dmg file to your external hard disk. Why is that so difficult to do? Btw, if you need to download it - download it overnight.

Dinggus said,

I haven't used an optical drive in years, all USB/external HD's now.

Chances are that you have not bought any thing in optical media either. I am the same.

Never really thought about it, but the only time I use an optical drive now is to fool with Windows installation discs or old games I still have on disc.

farmeunit said,

For some people. How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection? And let's say I have to reformat that iMac, and reinstall CS6. Not to mention burning discs for other things.


I would argue that there's less and less people who actually needs a built-in optical drive.

In the last couple of years, the only optical media I've been using is when I watch a DVD / Blu-ray / playing a game on my PS3.

The last time I put a DVD in my iMac was when Snow Leopard was released, 3 years ago.

At work, where we use hundreds of BTO Windows PC, we've been ordering machines with no optical drive for at least 5-6 years. USB storage is disabled (only admins can use them). Everything is installed/updated via network, data is on internal and offsite servers. And the large majority of companies are the same way.

Built-in optical drives are on their way out.

a0me said,

I would argue that there's less and less people who actually needs a built-in optical drive.

In the last couple of years, the only optical media I've been using is when I watch a DVD / Blu-ray / playing a game on my PS3.

The last time I put a DVD in my iMac was when Snow Leopard was released, 3 years ago.

At work, where we use hundreds of BTO Windows PC, we've been ordering machines with no optical drive for at least 5-6 years. USB storage is disabled (only admins can use them). Everything is installed/updated via network, data is on internal and offsite servers. And the large majority of companies are the same way.

Built-in optical drives are on their way out.

Umm no they're not.

JessJess said,
Not shocked. The optical drives are dead weight.
For those of us that depend heavily on putting our video productions onto disk... not so much. I know you can buy an external but that's just another cost to add to the already pricey investment that is Mac.

It really does look like Apple is moving away from their niche bread and butter market of audio/video enthusiasts and going after consumers. They already did that with Final Cut X.

laserfloyd said,
I know you can buy an external but that's just another cost to add to the already pricey investment that is Mac.

laserfloyd said,
It really does look like Apple is moving away from their niche bread and butter market of audio/video enthusiasts and going after consumers. They already did that with Final Cut X.

As you said, if you are the sort of user that has a heavy need of a DVD drive then you can buy an external drive. Even the Apple branded ones are not that expensive (£40?). It also has the added bonus of being able to move it from machine to machine.

laserfloyd said,
Tell that to my video production team that burns of Blurays and DVDs for our clients, and often receives assets on DVDs. There are many reasons to still want a DVD or Bluray drive on a MacPro. or installing major software.

When did Macs come with Blu-Ray? The fact is that for the majority of people the DVD drive is dust collector. For video production teams etc there are other options, like external drives. Who knows what the new Mac Pros will bring, hopefully a return to them being a viable option once again to average people (I owned a PowerMac G5 in 2005, and the entire setup didn't cost as much as the standard Mac Pro base units cost now!).

How about installing CS6 over a 3MB internet connection?

I have a 2.5-3Mbps connection and I manage pretty well? The days of people sitting there installing all their software off DVDs are long gone. Apple have always pushed forward, remember the removal of the floppy drive etc? Optical drives are dying out and as long as there is an option there if needed (external drive) then having to build integrated systems like the iMac and MacBook (Especially the macbook as an optical drive takes up quite a lot of space!) around them seems a little silly to me. Would rather that space be used for something useful!

Edited by Joswin, Aug 11 2012, 5:16pm :

robert_dll said,
Steve Jobs still getting his hands on new designs

On laptops, I don't see how this is a problem for most users. Most software is bought online now, why take up space and weight on a laptop with a drive I might only use a few times a year. Sure, some people use them all the time, but true to Apple's form, they don't care!! A desktop computer like an iMac, should have the drive, no point in leaving it out.