New redsn0w 0.9.2 jailbreaks any iPhone or iPod touch

If you've been waiting for an easy to use tool for jailbreaking your iPhone or iPod touch, look no further. The iPhone Dev Team never ceases to amaze the jailbreak community, and their latest version of redsn0w is no different. Bursting with support for iPhones and iPod touch, for all generations and OS versions (note: some newer models require a tethered reboot; see the support page for details), redsn0w can be used from Mac OS or Windows based machines (Linux coming soon).

This version has the ability of jailbreaking your device without requiring you to use iTunes. Previously, iTunes was needed to re-load the custom firmware that jailbreaking programs, such as PwnageTool, would package together. Redsn0w also prevents the iPhone's baseband from being upgraded, allowing users to freely update without accidentally bricking their phones.

Redsn0w will modify the iPhone OS file system and install Cydia. This will give you access to the world of jailbroken apps. If you already have a jailbroken device, redsn0w can still be used to change your boot logos, revert back to the standard logos, or switch verbose booting on or off (that's where it shows you all the boot code as the device loads the OS). In the next release (0.9.3), redsn0w will enable iPhone users to tether their data connection. Redsn0w can be downloaded from these links:

 

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There are always new <a href="http://na.blackberry.com">smart phones</a> come out to meet our needs. They make our life better and better.

does this make the 2G ipod touch an unteathered jailbreak, or is it still teathered? hate having to constantly re-jailbreak my gf's ipod touch each time her battery dies or she resets it

How do I know if I have a "late model" iPhone 3GS?

I got a refurbished one in December 2009. It could have been made in November or July for all I know.

I don't understand people. Why the hell buy a phone and then have to go through all this crap? Why don't you all just buy real phones, and stop bitching about the limitations of your iPhone? Anyone who isn't happy with their iPhone the way it is, should have put more thought into buying one.

Mikeyx11 said,
I don't understand people. Why the hell buy a phone and then have to go through all this crap? Why don't you all just buy real phones, and stop bitching about the limitations of your iPhone? Anyone who isn't happy with their iPhone the way it is, should have put more thought into buying one.

they do it "because they can" its as simple as that.

Mikeyx11 said,
I don't understand people. Why the hell buy a phone and then have to go through all this crap? Why don't you all just buy real phones, and stop bitching about the limitations of your iPhone? Anyone who isn't happy with their iPhone the way it is, should have put more thought into buying one.

Im sorry what is a real phone again?

Mikeyx11 said,
I don't understand people. Why the hell buy a phone and then have to go through all this crap? Why don't you all just buy real phones, and stop bitching about the limitations of your iPhone? Anyone who isn't happy with their iPhone the way it is, should have put more thought into buying one.

Because Apple are and lame and don't do things right in the first place. The people are more powerful!

Deacon Brown said,

Im sorry what is a real phone again?


One that you can install whatever application you want without having to void your warranty in order to do so.

Or perhaps an actual smartphone, you know, one that can multitask (like every smartphone before the iPhone, and every smartphone that exists now except the iPhone). I have next to me an old Sony Ericsson z610i clamshell from 2006 that can multitask, I can expand the memory, I can change the battery myself and it wasn't locked in to a crap phone provider, so tell me why an iPhone from 2009/10 can't do any of that?

"Dictionary.com"
Computing Dictionary
warez
/weirz/ A term used by software pirates use to describe a cracked game or application that is made available to the Internet, usually via FTP or telnet, often the pirate will make use of a site with lax security.
Software piracy is illegal and should be reported to the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST).
(1994-11-29)

"Wikipedia"
"Warez" refers primarily to copyrighted works traded in violation of copyright law. The term generally refers to illegal releases by organized groups, as opposed to file sharing between friends or large groups of people with similar interest using a darknet. It usually does not refer to commercial for-profit software counterfeiting. This term was initially coined by members of the various computer underground circles, but has since become commonplace among Internet users and the mass media.

So by reading that how is Redsn0w warez?

It provides functionality beyond that of running pirated games (or "backups"). Multi tasking being one but theres other things too.

Yes, it can be used for illegal purposes but theres legit ones too. It's more akin to installing homebrew on a PSP than a 360 drive hack IMHO.

So on a totally different note ... the warez not warez debate on this thread has kinda dominated the whole thing Has any one tried it yet and what are your success/fail stories??

So on a totally different note ... the warez not warez debate on this thread has kinda dominated the whole thing Has any one tried it yet and what are your success/fail stories??

This is really cool up until the point where it asks for an IPSW, which is something I have no idea how to obtain or what it is. Great documentation.

FuzzyReets said,
This is really cool up until the point where it asks for an IPSW, which is something I have no idea how to obtain or what it is. Great documentation.

Details for file extension: IPSW - iPhone/iPod Firmware Update File (Apple Inc.) - This is a firmware update file for the iPhone.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IPSW

Edited by Shadrack, Feb 2 2010, 1:28am :

The main purpose for most people and i say most people is to get hacked software....the same way you would mod your xbox. I guess the moderators get away with posting this is by skipping the simple step of how to download and how to install this illegaly aquired software. JMO

Theres other useful things such as multitasking ect. Theres a hell of a lot more legitimate things you can do here than you could with an XBox.

Jailbreaking is more of a grey area. Are we going to see news on PS3 and X360 hacking methods that allow unsigned software in the future to?

I really don't care either way. But I think the staff may object to some news items that are in the same category as JB an iPhone.

Shadrack said,
Jailbreaking is more of a grey area. Are we going to see news on PS3 and X360 hacking methods that allow unsigned software in the future to?

Not sure why everyone keeps getting hugn up on the word "unsigned". Unsigned software can be completely legal, non-pirated, homebrew software. Remember XBMC? Best media player ever. Nothing illegal about it, and it's where Boxee got their codebase from - and crazy to think they've received millions in funding too ($10M+?)...

I never said or implied that modding anything to run unsigned software was illegal. IANAL and probably a lot of the people being very vocal "know-it-alls" aren't lawyers either.

BeLGaRaTh said,
Nothing new added if you are an ipod touch 3g owner that blackrain doesnt offer

It is slightly different... They even have a section called "How is it different from blackra1n?" and they list 3 points:
http://wikee.iphwn.org/howto:rs9

noleafclover said,

It is slightly different... They even have a section called "How is it different from blackra1n?" and they list 3 points:
http://wikee.iphwn.org/howto:rs9


What if I have a late-model device?

If you have a late-model iPhone 3GS, or if you have an iPod touch 2G whose serial number begins with “MC”, or any iPod touch 3G, you can use redsn0w to jailbreak but you are currently restricted to “tethered” rebooting. That means you need to connect your device to a computer to complete the boot after a reset. Also, these devices cannot have custom logos.

So no different than blackrain.

Edited by BeLGaRaTh, Feb 1 2010, 11:52pm :

A couple of things. First, when you buy an iPhone you are buying a bundle of products. Namely the hardware device, which belongs to the purchaser outright, and several licences to the various software on the device. It is not in any way, shape, or form a breach of the purchase contract of the hardware to violate the terms of the software licences (i.e. EULAs). Upon paying Apple the $600, the phone belongs to you, and you can jailbreak it if you want. I don't know how Apple has possibly managed to convince anyone that when you pay ~$600 for something, it's not yours, but bravo.

Second, a EULA is a contract between two private parties, (1) the purchaser and (2) the software manufacturer. Like all contracts, it is open to either party to breach it at any time. The right to breach a contract has been one of the foundational principles of contract law for over 200 years. There are consequences, but that does not make it "illegal" in the sense that committing a crime or hitting someone with your car is.

Of course, if you breach the EULA by jailbreaking your phone, Apple is within their rights to breach it as well (by not honouring their warranty, etc.). I would argue it is illegal for Apple to void the hardware warranty as well, but that has yet to be determined.

Anyway, jailbreaking = legal.

Axel said,
A lot of people seem to be confused between an EULA and "The Law"...

and Jailbreaking and Unlocking lol

See my comment above: http://www.neowin.net/news/new-redsn0w-092-jailbreaks-any-iphone-or-ipod-touch#comment-986677

DARKFiB3R said,
Ah! Please excuse my ignorance. (not an iPhone owner)

LoL... Neither am I You couldn't pay me to use an iPhone unless Apple made some serious changes in their policies and software.

mad_onion said,
So how is this different from blackrain?

Im keen to find this out as well.

I am getting a bit tired of having to carry around my keyfob with blackrain on it just incase my iphone dies and i need to reboot it again and run blackrain.

I've been curious to jailbreak my iPod Touch for a while but I have a few concerns, if you guys could help me answer them that would be great. Anyways, if I jailbreak the device can I still use the App Store? Also, about this jail-breaking app (specifically the Mac version) is it safe from viruses and trojans?

Juski814 said,
I've been curious to jailbreak my iPod Touch for a while but I have a few concerns, if you guys could help me answer them that would be great. Anyways, if I jailbreak the device can I still use the App Store? Also, about this jail-breaking app (specifically the Mac version) is it safe from viruses and trojans?

App Store is still 100% functional (and still awesome). And yes, it is safe from viruses. But, you can always scan the files if it makes you feel more comfortable.

Edited by Benjamin Rubenstein, Feb 1 2010, 10:01pm :

Juski814 said,
I've been curious to jailbreak my iPod Touch for a while but I have a few concerns, if you guys could help me answer them that would be great. Anyways, if I jailbreak the device can I still use the App Store? Also, about this jail-breaking app (specifically the Mac version) is it safe from viruses and trojans?

People will say i am wrong but when i did it my iphone ended up crashing a lot ( i have a 3gs) . The amount of crashing and slowness that i got negated being able to load any app. i unjailbroke it and restored it to factory.

Juski814 said
Anyways, if I jailbreak the device can I still use the App Store?

Yep

Juski814 said
Also, about this jail-breaking app (specifically the Mac version) is it safe from viruses and trojans?

Yep, 100% if you get it from Dev Team (The Pirate Bay)

I use themes, extra icons etc also... but the most wanted feature that jailbraking gave me was multitasking support.

So it voids the warranty and allows you to install apps the Apple Greed Machine has censored from the Apps Store. This is a good thing!

Jailbreaking an iPhone or any other phone IS illegal. Period.
That action violates the contract between the producer/carreer and the customer.

DaveGreen said,
Jailbreaking an iPhone or any other phone IS illegal. Period.
That action violates the contract between the producer/carreer and the customer.

So basicly, according to your interpretation... the iTouch Devices are "licensed" to you according to apple right? in a similar manner as Windows is Licensed to you... so if u break the iphone, for instance, end user license agreement your breaking the law and should be arrested for violating apples intellectual property rights/copyrights/trademarks etc... and even if u do not see it being taken that severe the person who is "licensing" the device who has violated the "eula" gives up the right to use the device as they see fit and is not entired for a refund... just like a windows eula...

DaveGreen said,
Jailbreaking an iPhone or any other phone IS illegal. Period.
That action violates the contract between the producer/carreer and the customer.

False. It just voids your warranty and cuts off your ability to get support. You can do whatever you want to a piece of hardware that you own. Once you purchase an iPhone or iPod Touch, it's yours to do with as you wish.

Edited by Benjamin Rubenstein, Feb 1 2010, 10:32pm :

Matt A. Tobin said,

So basicly, according to your interpretation... the iTouch Devices are "licensed" to you according to apple right? in a similar manner as Windows is Licensed to you... so if u break the iphone, for instance, end user license agreement your breaking the law and should be arrested for violating apples intellectual property rights/copyrights/trademarks etc... and even if u do not see it being taken that severe the person who is "licensing" the device who has violated the "eula" gives up the right to use the device as they see fit and is not entired for a refund... just like a windows eula...

Nope. It's not like that. Sorry.
You buy a phone + a contract by carrier.
This is not happening when you buy a notebook with windows 7, for example, beacuase in the contract you are NOT forced to have windows on it, you just buy the OEM license. You can erase it all and install linux, for example. AND you don't lose the assistance and customer care.

For phones, that you can clearly use only with a carreer, you are forced by the carreer and the manufacturer to use ONLY what they decide. You don't like this? Then blame Apple or At&T. But don't think it's a legal procedure while it's not.

DaveGreen said,

Nope. It's not like that. Sorry.
You buy a phone + a contract by carrier.
This is not happening when you buy a notebook with windows 7, for example, beacuase in the contract you are NOT forced to have windows on it, you just buy the OEM license. You can erase it all and install linux, for example. AND you don't lose the assistance and customer care.

For phones, that you can clearly use only with a carreer, you are forced by the carreer and the manufacturer to use ONLY what they decide. You don't like this? Then blame Apple or At&T. But don't think it's a legal procedure while it's not.


A. Since when can you ONLY get an iPhone with a carrier contract?
B. What about iPod Touches?


According to your logic, there's nothing wrong with jailbreaking if you didn't purchase one of these devices via a carrier subsidy. So that means jailbreaking isn't illegal.

Benjamin Rubenstein said,

A. Since when can you ONLY get an iPhone with a carrier contract?
B. What about iPod Touches?


According to your logic, there's nothing wrong with jailbreaking if you didn't purchase one of these devices via a carrier subsidy. So that means jailbreaking isn't illegal.

O M G!!!!!!!!

1) HARDWARE DEVICES ARE NOT THE SAME AS SOFTWARE LICENSES!
2) THE FACT THAT ONE PROCEDURE IS TOLERATED FOR AN IPOD OR AN IPHONE DOESN NOT IMPLY IT IS ILLEGAL.
3) ANY VIOLATION OF ANY CONTRACT IS CONSIDERED, ACCORDING BY COMMON SENSE BEFORE THAN LAW, ILLEGAL.
4) SINCE WHEN YOU BUY AN IPHONE WITHOUT A CONTRACT????

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal

Sorry i did some grammar mistakes and I couldn't edit the post :-P

1) HARDWARE DEVICES LICENSES ARE NOT THE SAME AS SOFTWARE LICENSES!
2) THE FACT THAT ONE PROCEDURE IS TOLERATED FOR AN IPOD OR AN IPHONE DOES NOT IMPLY IT IS LEGAL.
3) ANY VIOLATION OF ANY CONTRACT IS CONSIDERED, ACCORDING BY COMMON SENSE BEFORE THAN LAW, ILLEGAL.
4) SINCE WHEN YOU BUY AN IPHONE WITHOUT A CONTRACT????

5) http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/02/13/apple-sez-jailbreaking-illegal/
http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/apple-says-iphone-jailbreaking-is-illegal/

DaveGreen said,

O M G!!!!!!!!

1) HARDWARE DEVICES ARE NOT THE SAME AS SOFTWARE LICENSES!
2) THE FACT THAT ONE PROCEDURE IS TOLERATED FOR AN IPOD OR AN IPHONE DOESN NOT IMPLY IT IS ILLEGAL.
3) ANY VIOLATION OF ANY CONTRACT IS CONSIDERED, ACCORDING BY COMMON SENSE BEFORE THAN LAW, ILLEGAL.
4) SINCE WHEN YOU BUY AN IPHONE WITHOUT A CONTRACT????

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal

Who cares about what apple say? People care about what the actual law says, and this isn't illegal.

Did you even read that article? It completely disproves your point:

"Of course, many iPhone owners will be happy to choose solely from the applications that Apple is willing to approve, just like many Ford owners are happy relying exclusively on their local Ford dealer. But if you want to pop the hood, the DMCA surely shouldn't stand in your way."

:D

Edited by Minimoose, Feb 1 2010, 10:00pm :

DaveGreen said,
Sorry i did some grammar mistakes and I couldn't edit the post :-P

1) HARDWARE DEVICES LICENSES ARE NOT THE SAME AS SOFTWARE LICENSES!
2) THE FACT THAT ONE PROCEDURE IS TOLERATED FOR AN IPOD OR AN IPHONE DOES NOT IMPLY IT IS LEGAL.
3) ANY VIOLATION OF ANY CONTRACT IS CONSIDERED, ACCORDING BY COMMON SENSE BEFORE THAN LAW, ILLEGAL.
4) SINCE WHEN YOU BUY AN IPHONE WITHOUT A CONTRACT????

5) http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/02/13/apple-sez-jailbreaking-illegal/
http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/apple-says-iphone-jailbreaking-is-illegal/


Just because Apple says something doesn't make it the law. Last time I checked, Apple doesn't play a role in world lawmaking. Your sources also state that they were going to bring the idea to court, but nothing has been decided as far as I the world is aware of.


Also, many people buy iPhones without contracts. They then jailbreak them and use them on T-Mobile or another overseas carrier.

Minimoose said,

Who cares about what apple say?

Oh yes, who cares, Apple just produces and sell thos iDiots devices to you. So who cares? :D

DaveGreen said,

4) SINCE WHEN YOU BUY AN IPHONE WITHOUT A CONTRACT????

Are you oblivious to the world outside the USA? Of course you can buy iPhones without a contract... Duhhhhh.

noleafclover said,

Are you oblivious to the world outside the USA? Of course you can buy iPhones without a contract... Duhhhhh.

Yep, and in the USA if your contract is up with the carrier the iphone must be unlocked.
And I am nearly positive there is a contract-less/unlocked iphone available for purchase tho that may be roomer...

Edited by Matt A. Tobin, Feb 1 2010, 11:01pm : Added something...

DaveGreen said,

Nope. It's not like that. Sorry.
You buy a phone + a contract by carrier.
For phones, that you can clearly use only with a carreer, you are forced by the carreer and the manufacturer to use ONLY what they decide. You don't like this? Then blame Apple or At&T. But don't think it's a legal procedure while it's not.

Dave,
You are incorrect. All the contract stipulates is that you must pay $xxx per month for two years in order to get the discounted phone rate. If you decide to end the contract early, you must pay $175 early termination fee. The contract does not include anything about modifying your phone, switching phones etc.

I went ahead and got a free phone from AT&T last summer. Turned around, re-sold it and bought an unlocked smartphone from Amazon. Because I'm not using the phone that I had "under the contract" are you saying what I'm doing is illegal too?

DaveGreen said,
Nope. It's not like that. Sorry.
You buy a phone + a contract by carrier.
This is not happening when you buy a notebook with windows 7, for example, beacuase in the contract you are NOT forced to have windows on it, you just buy the OEM license. You can erase it all and install linux, for example. AND you don't lose the assistance and customer care.

For phones, that you can clearly use only with a carreer, you are forced by the carreer and the manufacturer to use ONLY what they decide. You don't like this? Then blame Apple or At&T. But don't think it's a legal procedure while it's not.


a) In other countries you can buy the phone off contract
b) Here I never had as part of my contract that I would use the iPhone OS on my device. I can sell my mobile device or do whatever I want to it, my contract merely states I must pay it off over the course of 24 months or whatever other repayment scheme youre contract uses.


Please don't assume AT&T is the only carrier of the phone out there, and even if it was, I'm quite certain you are mistaken anyway.

Edited by Smigit, Feb 2 2010, 5:00am :

You are correct in that sense yes. But why else would anyone jailbrake their iphones if not to run unsigned software ?

SwEaTrOcK said,
You are correct in that sense yes. But why else would anyone jailbrake their iphones if not to run unsigned software ?

So they can multi task? I dont even have an iPhone but if i did it would be jail broken for that reason alone.

Just to clarify, there's nothing 'warez' about this at all. The Dev Team (developers of this app) are, and have always been 100% against software piracy on the iPhone platform. I know - the GUI for QuickPwn for Windows was my code, I worked with them on it. As for Neowin, we allow discussion of jailbreaking.

So please - no need for the complaining - if you're not interested in this news, that's OK too :)

This is NOT warez in any way-shape-or form.

Technically you arent supposed to install OSX on a non-apple machine... yet, you can and it is NOT illegal.

You own the hardware (whether it be an iPhone or iPod Touch) and all you are doing is unlocking it to have the ability to run whatever software YOU want.

Its not like it gives you free access to the App store or something.

Brandon said,
This is NOT warez in any way-shape-or form.

Technically you arent supposed to install OSX on a non-apple machine... yet, you can and it is NOT illegal.

You own the hardware (whether it be an iPhone or iPod Touch) and all you are doing is unlocking it to have the ability to run whatever software YOU want.

Its not like it gives you free access to the App store or something.

Actually it is illegal. Psystar were shut down for doing exactly that. I mean the part where you said it is not illegal to run OSX on a non-apple machine. Apple never sells it to you to install on non apple machines and hence it's as good as pirating the software.

However, I agree on the jailbreak topic. It's perfectly legal to jailbreak your phone.

Remote Sojourner said,

Actually it is illegal. Psystar were shut down for doing exactly that. I mean the part where you said it is not illegal to run OSX on a non-apple machine. Apple never sells it to you to install on non apple machines and hence it's as good as pirating the software.

However, I agree on the jailbreak topic. It's perfectly legal to jailbreak your phone.

I thought they were shut down for selling and distributing modified apple code.

Edited by Ned, Feb 1 2010, 10:40pm : clarification

Ned said,

I thought they were shut down for selling and distributing modified apple code.


Yep, Psystar's problem was trying to profit off of it. It's like how you can mod a console (PS2, etc) to play burned games, and the act of modding it is perfectly legal (though it voids your warranty), but if you SELL the modchips, you're breaking the law.

I'm all for jailbraking, but how is jailbraking your phone to allow it to run unsigned software not warez or part of it ? Do you know how many apps are on my phone due to jailbraking ?

SwEaTrOcK said,
I'm all for jailbraking, but how is jailbraking your phone to allow it to run unsigned software not warez or part of it ? Do you know how many apps are on my phone due to jailbraking ?

unsigned = warez?

Ned said,

unsigned = warez?

Exactly what I was thinking... NVIDIA releases video drivers that are unsigned too, should we add them to the 'list'?

SwEaTrOcK said,
I'm all for jailbraking, but how is jailbraking your phone to allow it to run unsigned software not warez or part of it ? Do you know how many apps are on my phone due to jailbraking ?

Warez is commercial software copied and redistributed freely or at a reduced cost for the distributor's profit. A jailbreaking application was never commercial software. Freeware can never be warez. It is a fundamental requirement that warez has a cost that's being circumvented.

Well I got my iPhone back from repairs today and will probably jailbreak it for the first time in coming days. I have no intention on stealing any software...I just want to add multi tasking and the ability to customize things a bit more to it.

I've probably spent in the region of $100 - $200 on apps for the device in the App store for what its worth.

Amodin said,

Exactly what I was thinking... NVIDIA releases video drivers that are unsigned too, should we add them to the 'list'?

Hahahahahahahah +1 lol

External HDD said,
iphone without jailbreak is simply useless.

if patching is illegal, even windows themes forums should be closed.

you have to patch winmo, the standard UI is horrid.

smooth3006 said,
you have to patch winmo, the standard UI is horrid.
You got that right! Good thing there is the folks over at XDA Developers.

Talk about hypocrisy, the first sign of a link to warez or even the mention of the forums can result in warning, let staff think its ok to post direct links of the front pages

thealexweb said,
Talk about hypocrisy, the first sign of a link to warez or even the mention of the forums can result in warning, let staff think its ok to post direct links of the front pages

This is not warez, perhaps you are mistaken what "warez" really is.

Andrew Lyle said,

This is not warez, perhaps you are mistaken what "warez" really is.

What is the difference between this and warez? technically your not supposed to have this done to your phone and it could get you banned from the att network.

If it was legal apple would let people install anything they want.

Edited by majortom1981, Feb 1 2010, 9:04pm :

majortom1981 said,

What is the difference between this and warez? technically your not supposed to have this done to your phone and it could get you banned from the att network.

If it was legal apple would let people install anything they want.

The question isn't 'how is it different' its 'how is it the same?'

Jailbreaking a device and downloading stolen software are two completely different things. The device you paid for, it is your property. You have every right to do whatever you want to it, including jailbreak it and throw it in the ocean. Pirated software you have no legal right to have.

It is perfectly legal.
Against the user agreement on the iPhone? Yes. But that has nothing to do with legality.

thealexweb said,
Talk about hypocrisy, the first sign of a link to warez or even the mention of the forums can result in warning, let staff think its ok to post direct links of the front pages

Jailbreaking the iPhone or iPod touch represents a violation of your EULA agreement with Apple. It is not illegal, it merely means that you can be refused support, fixes, and warranty replacements on your device.

Frank Fontaine said,

Jailbreaking the iPhone or iPod touch represents a violation of your EULA agreement with Apple. It is not illegal, it merely means that you can be refused support, fixes, and warranty replacements on your device.


Correct. There's nothing wrong with jailbreaking your iPhone or iTouch. Apple will just void your warranty if they know you did it (unless, of course, they don't know about it because you flashed it back to normal before you gave it in for service).


I don't see why this is even close to warez. Jailbreaks were made by hard working developers who want to get more out their hardware. They're not jailbreaking and telling Apple that they have to support them after doing it. Redsn0w happens to be even less of a legal problem than past jailbreaks. It doesn't even require you to download a copy of the iPhone OS firmware anymore.

Edited by Benjamin Rubenstein, Feb 1 2010, 9:46pm :

While I usually think that neowin has a double standard because whenever something like a new windows build leaks they're the first to report it.. there's nothing illegal in jailbraiking your own phone. Even though neowin has used the 'breaking the EULA' excuse to close threads before.

majortom1981 said,

What is the difference between this and warez? technically your not supposed to have this done to your phone and it could get you banned from the att network.

If it was legal apple would let people install anything they want.

That's the whole ****ing point: Apple doesn't get to decide what we can install and what we can't. Jailbreaking gives us our freedom back.

Julius Caro said,
While I usually think that neowin has a double standard because whenever something like a new windows build leaks they're the first to report it.. there's nothing illegal in jailbraiking your own phone. Even though neowin has used the 'breaking the EULA' excuse to close threads before.

Yet when we reported on 7, we never offered torrent links, hosted a dl, or explained how to get it. There's a difference between double standards against the rules as opposed to just reporting on a build.

Edited by shockz, Feb 2 2010, 12:55am :

thealexweb said,
Talk about hypocrisy, the first sign of a link to warez or even the mention of the forums can result in warning, let staff think its ok to post direct links of the front pages

Okay I realize that Jailbreaking is not near as bad as Warez, but he has a point. The EULA is a contract just like the one you agree to when you install Windows. You are bound by the contract. So Legally you are not to jailbreak your iPod/iPhone. Look at it this way, ATT and Apple not to do it. Apple refuses support and ATT can ban you though you pay your bill every month. Also look at the Xbox mods. You bought the Xbox and modded it, but Microsoft still has the right to ban you Xbox from its networks.

I know what you will say "Modding the Xbox alllows you to play pirated games". So whats the point? The mod you bought and put on your property is allowing you do something Microsoft doesn't want done on their product. Now look at jailbreaking. It is doing something Apple and ATT do not want to be done on their product/services. And it is altering the OS which, correct me if I am wrong, you must have permission from Apple to do so.

Kutster said,

Okay I realize that Jailbreaking is not near as bad as Warez, but he has a point. The EULA is a contract just like the one you agree to when you install Windows. You are bound by the contract. So Legally you are not to jailbreak your iPod/iPhone. Look at it this way, ATT and Apple not to do it. Apple refuses support and ATT can ban you though you pay your bill every month. Also look at the Xbox mods. You bought the Xbox and modded it, but Microsoft still has the right to ban you Xbox from its networks.

I know what you will say "Modding the Xbox alllows you to play pirated games". So whats the point? The mod you bought and put on your property is allowing you do something Microsoft doesn't want done on their product. Now look at jailbreaking. It is doing something Apple and ATT do not want to be done on their product/services. And it is altering the OS which, correct me if I am wrong, you must have permission from Apple to do so.

Well I think alot of people will disagree on this but Apple has already came out and said that jailbreaking the phone is illegal. I think it does end up violating DMCA in some form.