Next OS X rumored to feature new GUI

Mac OS X's Aqua has matured very slowly over the last few years. It seems like many OS X users are tired of Aqua and ready for a new revolutionary GUI to compliment and enhance the experience of using a Mac. An increasingly popular theme for Apple's latest applications have been smooth unified metal and dark glass. With each major update to one of Apple's applications, its seems like the days with blue gel scroll-bars and candy bar progress bars are ending.

Its no question that Leopard will feature a new GUI, but no one really knows what it will look like. Its no doubt that Leopard will feature resolution-independent graphics support that will allow for greater resolution displays with the same and windows sizes. However, the details of the interface have not yet been revealed, but many are hoping that we will see the final announcement of Leopard features at Macworld 2007, where chances of a GUI announcement are high.

Apple Gazette has featured a new rumor from a supposed insider that has claimed that the new GUI that will replace Aqua will be nicknamed 'Illuminous'. Apple's latest trend in its software GUI is a darker, flatter, translucent, reflective, "illuminating" glass appearance.

The genesis for this rumor started earlier this year when Apple posted a position on Monster.com seeking a senior visual interface designer "to conceive, design and develop future enhancements to Aqua, the dynamic user interface for Mac OS X".

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If the GUI makes me drool like the last one did when I first saw it, i'm happy.

However, I am not a Mac user, and do not plan to any time soon...

So Apple is getting bashed based on an unsubstantiated rumor. I seem to remember the black reflective look has been in Mac OS X since at least the introduction of Tiger (World Clock widget) and probably earlier.

As for who is copying who, most OS's have the same general GUI features and concepts, and borrow from external sources and each other. It's the Mac's look and feel, and resulting usability, that MS has been trying to copy all these years, unsuccessfully.

Last time I checked, Windows and MacOS still look nothing alike. It's like you're trying to compare a Geo Metro to a Ford Pinto. Yes, they both have four wheels, yes they both run on gas, but who are you trying to fool when you say one is copying the other?

i think it will be more of a merger of platinum and aqua (like rhapsodized but more aqua like with the pill-style buttons).
look at the slider controls... they look a lot like the platinum sliders without the rib texture on it.

it might not even look like vista.
and i figure if apple wanted to copy something from microsoft, they'd go completely left-field and make a brown colour scheme for leopard! :P

Quote - ikyouCrow said @ #31
i think it will be more of a merger of platinum and aqua (like rhapsodized but more aqua like with the pill-style buttons).
look at the slider controls... they look a lot like the platinum sliders without the rib texture on it.

it might not even look like vista.
and i figure if apple wanted to copy something from microsoft, they'd go completely left-field and make a brown colour scheme for leopard! :P

At least Microsoft thought up something new with the brown Zune. If Apple goes black, they'll be Vista copy-cats.

I've done the whole black and transparent thing in my custom Adium skin. That's a year or two before apple even introduced them in iPhoto. OMG, Apple stole it from me. *******.

Who cares honestly, as long as it looks good. It's just an OS.

In my opinion its best to learn and build your own desktop PC. Then you don't have to pay/mess around with 'apple care' everytime something happens.

So because he doesn't like using a Mac or like OSX he's ignorant... guess once who sounds like the one really being ignorant here.

Quote - KeR said @ #25.1
Ignorance is bliss isn’t' it?

heh...

I have a mac laying around here with macos x tige and use it few time and I have fix macos/hardware few time well in my job but still I can't stand macos GUI(going back 90's too).. nope not Window fanboy or linux.. but give me pc anytime over apple. thanks.

"Secondly, you're completely wrong. Max OS X 10.0: released March 2001. Windows XP: released October 2001. "


Windows 2000 has the transparent functionality...we can use the opacity functionality even from a basic windows form application from .net in windows 2000...(did windows 2000 was released after march 2001..lol !!!!)

Vista is good for me!!!

Quote - guruparan said @ #1
"Secondly, you're completely wrong. Max OS X 10.0: released March 2001. Windows XP: released October 2001. "


Windows 2000 has the transparent functionality...we can use the opacity functionality even from a basic windows form application from .net in windows 2000...(did windows 2000 was released after march 2001..lol !!!!)

Vista is good for me!!!

2000+ had opacity transparency, yes. What it didn't have was the ability for per-pixel alphablended transparency, as seen when using some Windowblinds 5.0 skins.

Quote - Binary said @ #24.1

2000+ had opacity transparency, yes. What it didn't have was the ability for per-pixel alphablended transparency, as seen when using some Windowblinds 5.0 skins.

That distinction is irrelevant. The argument made by a Mac fanboy was that Apple had transparency effects first, which is not true. Just because Apple had more sophisticated transparency effects when they did add them to their UI does not mean they were first.

Quote - Divide Overflow said @ #24.2
That distinction is irrelevant. The argument made by a Mac fanboy was that Apple had transparency effects first, which is not true. Just because Apple had more sophisticated transparency effects when they did add them to their UI does not mean they were first.

It's not irrelevant. A poster above stated that OS X's titlebars had transparency fist, and another poster disputed said transparency. I just carried on with the window frame analysis. Opacity is not true transparency in terms of individual GUI elements.

Quote - Binary said @ #24.3
It's not irrelevant. A poster above stated that OS X's titlebars had transparency fist, and another poster disputed said transparency. I just carried on with the window frame analysis. Opacity is not true transparency in terms of individual GUI elements.
Indeed, this thread is such a forest of different conversations I missed the fact that he was speaking about transparent title bars and not the GUI's transparency features in general. Bah.

Its no question that Leopard will feature a new GUI

Did I miss when Apple announced this? I think we can expect at least some tweaks and changes, but a new GUI? Frankly, that's probably one of the biggest questions going around.

that statement was really a response to apple's latest gui trends.
"new GUI" could also mean "updated GUI".

many people think aero is a new gui, but it's really just the same gui with animated elements and transparency.

I guess Apple users are feeling violated after so many skin-rips being used on Windows. TIME TO BE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ONCE AGAIN.

lol.

I was planning on buying a mac in the future and probably waiting until the new version of OSX is out. Does anyone know when the estimated release date is?

Quote - excalpius said @ #19.1
Listen for the moment when Jobs farts and the fanboys swear it's Beethoven's Ode to Joy. :)

You're being some sort of reverse-fanboy, which is just as bad. The guy was asking an honest question, so shutup.

I believe it's due out Spring '07. There's no set release date, that way any minor delays won't create controversy.

Quote - qwexor said @ #19
I was planning on buying a mac in the future and probably waiting until the new version of OSX is out. Does anyone know when the estimated release date is?

Well this is what we know:
- It'll have as many features as a Windows service pack,
- However, it'll cost money,
- It'll only work on Mac,
- Blah. I'll buy Vista.

Quote - AfroTrance said @ #19.4
You mean none?

No, I mean a few good updates, but nothing worth paying for. But of course you'll pay for it...

Boot Camp, Spaces, Time Machine, iChat Theater, Mail stationery and whatever else Jobs is yet to announce add up to more than "a few good updates"!

Plus if you buy a Mac you can run Vista too, if you must.

I look forward to the death of the silly blue candy scroll bars of aqua. It was amazing how hard and how long fanboys supported such a kiddie inspired aspect of an otherwise elegant GUI design (re: brushed metal is a nice option).

I won't be surprised if the new GUI resembles a number of the better skins found under WindowBlinds. Some of those are quite polished, classy, and functional. And they were created by better graphic artists and designers than MS seems to be able to hire...ahem.

Either way, days after Apple releases this, someone will grab the best ideas of it, blend it with the best ideas of Vista, and release a WindowBlinds skin to top them both. Yay!

Quote - excalpius said @ #17
I look forward to the death of the silly blue candy scroll bars of aqua. It was amazing how hard and how long fanboys supported such a kiddie inspired aspect of an otherwise elegant GUI design (re: brushed metal is a nice option).

Yeah, because Lunas Fisher Price look was neither childish, nor silly.

Fanboy apologist propaganda regurgitator...

I never said Luna didn't have lame aspects as well...which I is why I've skinned my windows boxes with some OSX and some Vista features, hehe.

Quote - excalpius said @ #17.2
Fanboy apologist propaganda regurgitator...

I never said Luna didn't have lame aspects as well...which I is why I've skinned my windows boxes with some OSX and some Vista features, hehe.

I'm a fanboy? Maybe you should look up my name and see what I've done on the windows side. I'm no apologist, I've always hated luna. Aqua is however far more professional than luna whatever way you look at it.

Whatever way you look at it, Luna, and especially the blue and green was the one that was chosen from MS' GUI focus groups, by the regular users(the ones who make up the largest piece of the market) over watercolor and luna silver and probably other concepts(as concept Luna and Watercolor are probably the ones that survived to go past purely being concepts)

The silver version was icnluded for the more pro look and was a very nice and comortable GUI really, though a bit bright but...

While the painfully white OSX gui may look nice and clean, it's a big pitfall to just assume it's what the majority of computer users want, especially when you're one man, and companies like MS do focus groups with large amount of computers users from illiterate to pros and have the actual numbers to base their decision on.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #17.4
Whatever way you look at it, Luna, and especially the blue and green was the one that was chosen from MS' GUI focus groups, by the regular users(the ones who make up the largest piece of the market) over watercolor and luna silver and probably other concepts(as concept Luna and Watercolor are probably the ones that survived to go past purely being concepts)

The silver version was icnluded for the more pro look and was a very nice and comortable GUI really, though a bit bright but...

While the painfully white OSX gui may look nice and clean, it's a big pitfall to just assume it's what the majority of computer users want, especially when you're one man, and companies like MS do focus groups with large amount of computers users from illiterate to pros and have the actual numbers to base their decision on.


I don't believe anyone chose Luna over Watercolor, it was just transitioned in. Watercolor to date is still one of the most popular msstyles skins.

Quote - Binary said @ #17.5


I don't believe anyone chose Luna over Watercolor, it was just transitioned in. Watercolor to date is still one of the most popular msstyles skins.

because such a large percentage of the windows population use msstyles...

what you may or may not believe doesn't change the fact. If you really think MS just decided to drop Watercolor for Luna just because they felt like it and never did numerous focus groups over the coruse of the GUI developement...

Quote - excalpius said @ #17
I look forward to the death of the silly blue candy scroll bars of aqua.

There's always been the option of using the Graphite theme.

A change in some color's doesn't mean a "new" GUI, IMO. An "minor update" or "modification of existing" would be a better choice of words, IMO.

Quote - Chicane-UK said @ #15.1
That would be way too dark IMHO.. I hope Apple don't go that way!

It's generally only used in media applications for child windows, etc. Yeah, I doubt they would do the entire interface like that.

So fanboys... whatever happened to things like FUNCTIONALITY and USABILITY??

pretty colors only go so far, guys.... the OS actually has to be user-friendly and responsive.

Quote - MarvnDuran said @ #14
So fanboys... whatever happened to things like FUNCTIONALITY and USABILITY??

pretty colors only go so far, guys.... the OS actually has to be user-friendly and responsive.

Right on. Too much focus is put on looking good and only looking good recently (whether it be a website, OS, application or game), opposed to still looking good, but sacrificing a little bit of it for functionality.

But I like it when windows maximise and minimise and there is a fancy 1 second animation for me to look at. Why would anyone want a GUI that works instantly?

Quote - wicker_man said @ #14.4
OSX actually IS more usable and its GUI is better implemented according to the principles of design.
Look up this, this and this might be an interesting point of view from another perspective.

Look up usability, and you'll find that in some ways OSX may be, but in Many ways Widnows is also a lot better than OSX. Widnows choose a a more "you can do it this or this way" aproch, while OSX does " We like it this way so you have to do it that way to wether you like it or not". and they don't allways choose the best way, especially not for usability, not if it's either usability or design at stake anyway.

Hooray eyecandy! Unless they actually mean revolutionary in the way that you use the UI...

Not gonna lie though, I am a fan of eyecandy.

-Spenser

Pretty sure we can already imagine what it'll look like. Just look at FrontRow, Time Machine, iChat - it'll be black, it'll be reflective, the windows will be translucent and it'll look glossy like their glossy displays.

Whatever, I don't care too much if the look is streamlined, easy on the eyes and nice to look at. What I do care about is that they finally also clean up the workflow. The way we resize Windows, the way the dock and the finder works together, the way we manage so many tasks on computers nowadays - it needs a NEW way of using the computer.

Jobs has shown full screen editing quite a few times at his keynotes already and seemed to be quite happy about it, so I'd not wonder if that'll be a feature in OSX - A way to use the whole screen without always relying on taskbars, docks, etc., having expose-like features for switching tasks and handling multiple applications at a time.

I don't think that 10 years from now, the mouse will still be the primary interface device - and someone's gotta make the first step. I hope it's Apple.

Quote - Clay-Man said @ #12
Pretty sure we can already imagine what it'll look like. Just look at FrontRow, Time Machine, iChat - it'll be black, it'll be reflective, the windows will be translucent and it'll look glossy like their glossy displays.

Whatever, I don't care too much if the look is streamlined, easy on the eyes and nice to look at. What I do care about is that they finally also clean up the workflow. The way we resize Windows, the way the dock and the finder works together, the way we manage so many tasks on computers nowadays - it needs a NEW way of using the computer.

Jobs has shown full screen editing quite a few times at his keynotes already and seemed to be quite happy about it, so I'd not wonder if that'll be a feature in OSX - A way to use the whole screen without always relying on taskbars, docks, etc., having expose-like features for switching tasks and handling multiple applications at a time.

I don't think that 10 years from now, the mouse will still be the primary interface device - and someone's gotta make the first step. I hope it's Apple.

You are wrong on most of those things, hehe.

1) It will look like Vista with toothpaste-styled scrollbars and a dock.
2) I don't think Microsoft nor Apple will go the "new" direction. I think it is Adobe.

Don't believe me? Check this out.

Quote - Swordnyx said @ #12.1

You are wrong on most of those things, hehe.

1) It will look like Vista with toothpaste-styled scrollbars and a dock.
2) I don't think Microsoft nor Apple will go the "new" direction. I think it is Adobe.

Don't believe me? Check this out.

And MS has been working on speech recognition and natural language for a while, and both Apple and MS have been pushing text-recognition.

The problem is not how cool these ways of using a device are, but whether they are universally more practical than a mouse and keyboard.

Imagine entering, selecting, and editing text with speech or with your hands like in that Adobe video. It would be clumsier.

If anything, there will just be more ways to use a computer. But in order to say that the mouse and keyboard will be replaced as the most common way to use one, you have to show a device that is less clumsy to use on day-to-day average functions of computer use. One could imagine using a pen and your hand to compose a document on a screen, but the important parts of word processing are things like selection, which are made more clumsy. Even in illustration, there's an important need for precision, which doesn't happen as easy with hand drawn things.

btw, http://research.microsoft.com/~awilson/touchlight/

Quote - Swordnyx said @ #12.1

You are wrong on most of those things, hehe.

1) It will look like Vista with toothpaste-styled scrollbars and a dock.
2) I don't think Microsoft nor Apple will go the "new" direction. I think it is Adobe.

Don't believe me? Check this out.

As far as I know, Jeff Han isn't working for Adobe, nor is this THEIR technology showoff - and yes, I'm pretty sure that's where computers will go. And that's why I was talking about different ways to interact with computers. It needs to be done soon enough, cause tablets get cheaper and cheaper every day.

Quote - brianshapiro said @ #12.2

And MS has been working on speech recognition and natural language for a while, and both Apple and MS have been pushing text-recognition.

The problem is not how cool these ways of using a device are, but whether they are universally more practical than a mouse and keyboard.

Imagine entering, selecting, and editing text with speech or with your hands like in that Adobe video. It would be clumsier.

If anything, there will just be more ways to use a computer. But in order to say that the mouse and keyboard will be replaced as the most common way to use one, you have to show a device that is less clumsy to use on day-to-day average functions of computer use. One could imagine using a pen and your hand to compose a document on a screen, but the important parts of word processing are things like selection, which are made more clumsy. Even in illustration, there's an important need for precision, which doesn't happen as easy with hand drawn things.

I don't think that accuracy should be a problem at all. With a multi-touch, you wouldn't lose accuracy, you'd just gain a freeform attempt of working on a computer. We could finally use our hands, ten fingers! Our hands are the best device ever created, being used by billions of people already and there's virtually no learning curve, so that's great. Once you need precision, you just use a Pen, like you would with a Wacom Tablet - If a Wacom isn't more accurate than Keyboard/Mouse, then I don't know what is. It just feels more natural, better.

To get this straight: I think the mouse was just born out of technical limitations. If we could have had the Wacom technology in the 70s, but way cheaper to produce, we'd hold pens in our hands nowadays. A mouse isn't the end all - be all solution for interacting with computers. AT ALL. It's clumsy, it causes RSI and it can really hurt your wrists.

I give the mouse 10 more years - more or less. People don't want to use a mouse because they love it, they use it because they don't know any better.

Quote - Clay-Man said @ #12.4

If a Wacom isn't more accurate than Keyboard/Mouse, then I don't know what is. It just feels more natural, better.

Hate to burst your bubble but... it isn't.

Tablets are great sure, for artistic stuff and for drawing creatign stuff that'd dont' need high degrees of accuracy. it's no tthe pen itself that's no accurate, they can be far more accurate than the pixels on your screen. it you's own hands. when you need to put that point right there, move that vector, select that specific vertex in a cloud of vertices in yoru 3D program, and move it just right "there". then the tablet is no good.

For all these thigns and more a mouse is just plain better.

For Freeform painting sure it's better, for freeform clay type modelling.. umm yeah.. ish.. but a 3D controller or even better a 3D space 360 degree controller(like the wii's) is better.

For gaming no the pen is useless, for regular widnows navigation.. not really. and even so a Pen insome cases might cause more RSI than a mouse, depending on how you use it anyway... and most RSI damage comes from moving your hand between keyboard and mouse.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #12.5
Hate to burst your bubble but... it isn't.

Tablets are great sure, for artistic stuff and for drawing creatign stuff that'd dont' need high degrees of accuracy. it's no tthe pen itself that's no accurate, they can be far more accurate than the pixels on your screen. it you's own hands. when you need to put that point right there, move that vector, select that specific vertex in a cloud of vertices in yoru 3D program, and move it just right "there". then the tablet is no good.

For all these thigns and more a mouse is just plain better.

For Freeform painting sure it's better, for freeform clay type modelling.. umm yeah.. ish.. but a 3D controller or even better a 3D space 360 degree controller(like the wii's) is better.

For gaming no the pen is useless, for regular widnows navigation.. not really. and even so a Pen insome cases might cause more RSI than a mouse, depending on how you use it anyway... and most RSI damage comes from moving your hand between keyboard and mouse.

Sorry, but lemme ask you a question: For how long have you used a good tablet? I've been using an Intuos for years - I'm a 3d artist, I'm drawing a lot, I'm also doing technical work like modeling architectural models where I do have to be very precise and in all honesty: No vertex ever escaped my pen.

Of course I also use the tablet for freeform work like sculpting in Mudbox, ZBrush or Silo and that's also an area where the tablet shines, but it's just as good in Photoshop, Painter, Illustrator, you name it.

If you really consider a '3d controller' like a Wii Remote being better than a Wacom Tablet, then you maybe haven't seen the profits of a tablet yet. Oh, and yes, I'm also using the Wacom for my daily Windows and OSX use - it's just a heck lot faster, since it's a much more natural feeling and you can put the cursor where you want to put it instead of having to drag it around all the time - that alone kills about 50% of your daily mouse movements, which your wrists will really appreciate.

So no, you just can't convince me - a mouse is an old relict that should have died years ago. Maybe it still has it's uses for gaming, but remember that keyboards and mice also haven't been designed for gaming in mind and it took YEARS and YEARS until developers figured out how to use the mouse and the keyboard in conjunction with one another. Remember Quake 1's controls, no freelook and no strafing per default? It's a process that the devices had to go through, until we found a way how to use these things effectively for games, but I'm pretty sure that any smart designer could design a device that'd be much more suited for todays games than a keyboard and a mouse. The problem would just be one of vendor support.

If you don't see that a 3D controller like the Wii would be better for free form clay like 3D sculpting than a tablet, you're on crack.

Let's start with the obvius features.

Full detection of
- 3 axis of moevement
- 3 axis of Rotation
- 3 axis of til.
- 3 axis of yaw
- Accceletation/force detection of all of the abov

And to add to that you have the added benefiots of the wii sensor bar. Allowing you to use triangulation so that the controller can know EXACTLY where in a defined 3D space it is, and what position in that 3D space it is in.

now get the Wii controller into a scalpel form and you got nearly the perfect 3D sculpting tool. allowing you to sculpt far better than any tablet, and far faster. basically, it can do anythign the tablet can do, and more, but in 3D space. and instead of knowing where exacly it is on the screen, translated form the tablet surface, it can know where exactly it is in a 3D spatial box.

And yes I have used Tablets a lot. and no you can't convince me it's an old relic, you just like it because you are so damn used to it. but that doesn't change the fatc that for a lot of things, most in fact it is an impractical tool. like using a steering wheel to control a motorcycle, it works, but it sure ain't optimal.

and fyi the lack of freelock in older 3D games, is more of an engine limitation than anything else.

and Zbrush modeling is probably the one type of modellign where the Tablet is good for 3D modellign, but then I also said that f4reeform 3D modellign works.

but it's impractical for technical and more detailed stuff. A position for poition device like a pen is never as accurate as an acceleration and relative position device like a mouse. Do you even realize the size of the table surface needed to match the precision of a good Laser mouse, usign acceleration to get even more accurate on slow movements ?

A large surface tablet is in that case just as RSI prone as a mouse, more in fact as you are conctsnalty moving you whole ****ing hand over a huge surface, at leats if you are to use a tablet as intended and where it shines. as a direct position translation of the screen. RSI comes partly from the small wris movements, but just as bad is the moement of your hand to an from the mouse to the keyboard, in fact that's the major killer. Incidentally that's the same movement you would do all the time with a large surface tablet.


So yes, tablets are a great tool, they're almost the perfect tool for their purpose. but they are not the perfect tool period. And if you seriusly think the average person will adapt the tablet as their standard interface device, you're in for a surprise.

i don't know...i agree with most of the people who have commented on this...but sounds like something big is being prepared, i hope the new gui will be awesome

"Aqua will be nicknamed ‘Illuminous’. Apple’s latest trend in its software GUI is a darker, flatter, translucent, reflective, “illuminating” glass appearance."

Sounds like AERO.

Quote - Ron21 said @ #9
"Aqua will be nicknamed ‘Illuminous’. Apple’s latest trend in its software GUI is a darker, flatter, translucent, reflective, “illuminating” glass appearance."

Sounds like AERO.

indeed...

but of course apple would never copy windows...lol

Quote - predator001 said @ #9.5

indeed...

but of course apple would never copy windows...lol


I take it the both of you missed Apple's introduction of these babies long before Windows Vista was released:

So we can all stop pretending now that Aero was the first to combine black and transparency. Remember: I didn't say that Apple was the first one either.;)

Quote - Neowave said @ #9.6

I take it the both of you missed Apple's introduction of these babies long before Windows Vista was released:

So we can all stop pretending now that Aero was the first to combine black and transparency. Remember: I didn't say that Apple was the first one either.;)

of course that ones just dark and transparent.

it's not reflectie or illuminating glass appearance, now if you mouse over the vista task bars for example, or play around with WMP11.

That description is a straight out description of the Aero interface, wich makes me suspect this is another of Apples childish lame making fun of MS pranks.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #9.7
of course that ones just dark and transparent.

it's not reflectie or illuminating glass appearance, now if you mouse over the vista task bars for example, or play around with WMP11.

That description is a straight out description of the Aero interface, wich makes me suspect this is another of Apples childish lame making fun of MS pranks.


Have you ever seen an active confirmation button (OK/Cancel/Don't Save etc.) in Mac OS X? Those glow since Mac OS X' initial release in may 2001 and continue to do so.

So really, what are we still talking about?

Quote - BriFi said @ #9.9
Transparency windows are so annoying on the eyes. I don't get why people like it. :wacko:

I think they're pretty neat for those smaller THUD windows. Functional too as you can see the picture behind it when editing in full screen mode with iPhoto 6.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #9.7

That description is a straight out description of the Aero interface, wich makes me suspect this is another of Apples childish lame making fun of MS pranks.

The description for and rationale of Spotlight came directly out of Microsoft's marketing materials for WinFS

Quote - HawkMan said @ #9.7

of course that ones just dark and transparent.

it's not reflectie or illuminating glass appearance, now if you mouse over the vista task bars for example, or play around with WMP11.

That description is a straight out description of the Aero interface, wich makes me suspect this is another of Apples childish lame making fun of MS pranks.


Do you notice the absence of OK and Cancel buttons? Makes it so much easier, because the setting are being applied on the go, doesn't it? Also, these are just pop-up preference windows, there is very little chance of Finder looking like that.
Not to be called a 'fanboy', but Apple's GUI is much more usable to me than that of Windows when I am using a mouse. Keyboard navigation - that's another matter.

Quote - wicker_man said @ #9.12

Do you notice the absence of OK and Cancel buttons? Makes it so much easier, because the setting are being applied on the go, doesn't it? Also, these are just pop-up preference windows, there is very little chance of Finder looking like that.
Not to be called a 'fanboy', but Apple's GUI is much more usable to me than that of Windows when I am using a mouse. Keyboard navigation - that's another matter.

the abnsence of apply ok and cancel buttons is an application thing though..

oh and guess what, you can do that one windows too, there are many widnows programs with preference widnows just like that, on the go changign of settings and no apply/ok/cancel buttons. Most don't use it though, because for most applications you don't want that, you want to be able to cancel, lots of apps have the buttons and still do real time changign of the preferences, but use apply to save permanently and cancel to roll back.

so while youre dream GUI can only work in your "optimal" enviroment, I prefer GUIS that cater to the users, if you want real time sure, if y ou want to apply your changes or have the ability to cancel and roll back, then you can have that.

Either way that is a application thing, and was otally irrelevant to the discussion at hand so I don't know why you even mentioned it here.. except for the Fanboy "OSX is better" moment, wich failed miserably.

Quote - HawkMan said @ #9.13

Either way that is a application thing, and was otally irrelevant to the discussion at hand so I don't know why you even mentioned it here.. except for the Fanboy "OSX is better" moment, wich failed miserably.

Read my post before talking about fanboyism pidaras.

Quote - wicker_man said @ #9.14

Read my post before talking about fanboyism pidaras.

I could read it 20 more times, and guess what, it woudl still be irrelevant to what was beign discussed.

I'm a new switcher with the purchase of a brand new Mac Pro about two months ago. And I have to say, I could not be more excited for January!

I've been fine with their gradual improvements to the UI. Personally, I'd rather see them clean up the huge mess they have now with tons of different UIs than create an entirely new one... But I'm sure whatever they come up with will be nice, so I can't really complain either way.

Yeah, no kidding. Assuming it's true, perhaps it'll shut all the stupid apple fan boys up. Everyone borrows ideas from everyone, as long as it helps progress innovation in the industry as a whole, who the hell cares?

I don't think anyone really "cares", it's just frustrating trying to get the Apple fanbois to comprehend that their fearless leader is a total hypocrite and has loaded Mac OS X with ideas that are not original, that are photocopied, or that are open source. But he walks around saying "ooo, friends, start your photocopiers!"

Get real.

Even Microsoft fanboys admit that not every detail of Windows came from Microsoft. Some things are licensed, some are "borrowed". Much of it is original. And, yes, Microsoft has been accused of overstepping their bouonds and infringing on patents.

But at least Bill Gates has enough dignity and respect to not step in front of a crowd and bash Apple. It just makes him and his company look so much more professional and mature.

And that's what Apple should be "photocopying" if they want any hope of expanding their single-digit market share.

Quote - C_Guy said @ #6.2
I don't think anyone really "cares", it's just frustrating trying to get the Apple fanbois to comprehend that their fearless leader is a total hypocrite and has loaded Mac OS X with ideas that are not original, that are photocopied, or that are open source. But he walks around saying "ooo, friends, start your photocopiers!"

Get real.

Even Microsoft fanboys admit that not every detail of Windows came from Microsoft. Some things are licensed, some are "borrowed". Much of it is original. And, yes, Microsoft has been accused of overstepping their bouonds and infringing on patents.

But at least Bill Gates has enough dignity and respect to not step in front of a crowd and bash Apple. It just makes him and his company look so much more professional and mature.

And that's what Apple should be "photocopying" if they want any hope of expanding their single-digit market share.

i'm a quiet apple fanboy too but even i will admit not everything in OSX is original, like dashboard, or spaces that going to be in leaopard and the list goes on.... but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on

"but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on "

um, no. Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple and Microsoft stole the most from Xerox equally. To say either one copied more from each other would be the height of ignorance.

Quote - excalpius said @ #6.5
"but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on "

um, no. Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple and Microsoft stole the most from Xerox equally. To say either one copied more from each other would be the height of ignorance.

I think it's just safe to say that OS fanboys are the height of ignorance.

Quote - excalpius said @ #6.5
"but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on "

um, no. Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple and Microsoft stole the most from Xerox equally. To say either one copied more from each other would be the height of ignorance.

Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple PURCHASED the rights to the Xerox gui, which MS then swiped from Apple. Perhaps you can explain how Apple 'stole' their own property.

Quote - Chad said @ #6.7

Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple PURCHASED the rights to the Xerox gui, which MS then swiped from Apple. Perhaps you can explain how Apple 'stole' their own property.

thank you Chad, that and the fact somehow microsoft won the lawsuit when apple sued them for what i beleived what windows 95 because the GUI was so simalar to os 7

Quote - Chad said @ #6.7

Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple PURCHASED the rights to the Xerox gui, which MS then swiped from Apple. Perhaps you can explain how Apple 'stole' their own property.

YEah microsoft stole the idea of using a mouse operated graphical interface for computers, and the "buy" argument is in reality pretty weak.

Anyway my points is that, complaining about that is like complaining about other car manufacturers stealing the idea of using a steering wheel to control a car, or Wheels for movement or using an internal combustion engine, or having doors, especially 4 of them to enter the car, heck thay all open the same way too... have they no creativity...


i'm a quiet apple fanboy too but even i will admit not everything in OSX is original, like dashboard, or spaces that going to be in leaopard and the list goes on.... but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on

I disagree. I run both systems as well as linux. I keep hearing Apple fanboys talk about how much Microsoft has ripped off Apple. Both OS's are totally different on the surface. Unless there is something in the programming that makes them similar aside from the fact they're both operating systems. But I don't see it at all. And isn't that the point?

Quote - C_Guy said @ #6.2
I don't think anyone really "cares", it's just frustrating trying to get the Apple fanbois to comprehend that their fearless leader is a total hypocrite and has loaded Mac OS X with ideas that are not original, that are photocopied, or that are open source. But he walks around saying "ooo, friends, start your photocopiers!"

Get real.

Even Microsoft fanboys admit that not every detail of Windows came from Microsoft. Some things are licensed, some are "borrowed". Much of it is original. And, yes, Microsoft has been accused of overstepping their bouonds and infringing on patents.

But at least Bill Gates has enough dignity and respect to not step in front of a crowd and bash Apple. It just makes him and his company look so much more professional and mature.

And that's what Apple should be "photocopying" if they want any hope of expanding their single-digit market share.

This is one of the best posts on the subject that I've ever read. Bravo, C_Guy!

Quote - excalpius said @ #6.5
"but yeah, microsoft has copied more from OSX then vice versa, that everyone should be able to agree on "

um, no. Anyone who actually has tracked GUI development over the past 25+ years would know that Apple and Microsoft stole the most from Xerox equally. To say either one copied more from each other would be the height of ignorance.


Actually, by the time Windows 3.11 had come out, Apple had had way more advanced interface than MS. No one argues that Apple I had a Xerox-borrowed GUI, but it's usability was a lot better than the appalling GUI of Windows 3.11 (and still is, actually - look up Fitt's law).
Also, it's Xerox's fault for not recognising the future value of their GUI.

Okay, for the last time, Apple didn't steal crap from xerox. Actually, they hired some people from Xerox for their GUI concepts to work on the lisa, and that was before the actual PARC. What Jobs was shown when he visited the PARC was a SmallTalk dev station. Nothing to be excited about.

Then, they gave large bags of money and stock options to the PARC guys so they could send their programmers there for a day so they could get inspiration from their GUI concepts.

Before someone else says "it's pretty weak" because it contradicts their points, the Paolo Alto Research Center was *made* for these things. It was the purpose of the PARC.

Don't worry, Apple's photocopier has a lot of cooling down to do.

Oh no, wait, I want to be cool like you:

$pple 's photocopier has a lot of cooling down to do.

all well and good having all these new fancy gui's but honestly lets hope it uses less rescources than more , shame vista gui uses so much , seems like devs think they can use more rescources because the specs are higher , progression fellas not regression

In Vista's defense (a position I am not thrilled to take :P), the extra graphical effects are:
a) using the GPU, which has been under-utilized for desktop display in the past
and
b) optional. That's right. You don't have to run with Aero.

Quote - markjensen said @ #3.1
In Vista's defense (a position I am not thrilled to take :P), the extra graphical effects are:
a) using the GPU, which has been under-utilized for desktop display in the past
and
b) optional. That's right. You don't have to run with Aero.

But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?

Quote - thefunkymunky said @ #3.2

But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?


But who will take you seriously after you say something like that. I also like to use this I take it from the "if your happy and you know it clap your hands". If you never used the software shut your mouth.

Quote - thefunkymunky said @ #3.2

But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?

umm you dont have to switch it to classic you can just make aero solid colours

the point i was trying to make was that all this should work without extra resources , soon your gonna have to have like 2gig of ram just to run an OS , getting pretty stupid if you ask me , just my opinion lol

Quote - thefunkymunky said @ #3.2
But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?

I still use Windows Classic with XP, I will probably do the same with Vista. Those visual styles are not my cup of tea.

Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #3.6
I still use Windows Classic with XP, I will probably do the same with Vista. Those visual styles are not my cup of tea.


Ditto..... :P

Quote - Flux Capacitor said @ #3.6

I still use Windows Classic with XP, I will probably do the same with Vista. Those visual styles are not my cup of tea.


ditto

Quote - thefunkymunky said @ #3.2

But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?

The GPU reduction extends battery life. Its very nice to have this option. If you select "max battery life" option in vista, you loose the transparency for example.

-d

Quote - thefunkymunky said @ #3.2

But who wants to run Vista when it looks like Win 95? Or even XP?

A better question would be who wants to run Vista?

And if you're running an operating system just for the theme, there's somethign wrong there.

Quote - dugbug said @ #3.11
If you select "max battery life" option in vista, you loose the transparency for example.

-d

Loose transparency? Sounds interesting...

I'm not sure how I feel about this. There are a few things about the iTunes 7 interface that I like, but overall I prefer Aqua with a platinum UI. I can live without the brushed chrome and pinstripes, though.