Next Xbox expected to launch in November, cost $499 or $299 with subscription

Without a doubt, the next generation Xbox is the most highly anticipated launch from the company in some time. While the Surface announcement generated quite a bit of noise, the next generation Xbox will be the follow-up to one of Microsoft's best hardware products in the history of the company, so as you can imagine, expectations are quite high.

Paul Thurrott, who nailed the launch date of the console, is back with more information and seeing as he got it right the first time around, we have reason to believe his new information is as credible as the first wave of content. According to Paul, the next Xbox will launch in early November and will have a price of $499 or $299 with a monthly $10 subscription. 

In addition to the above information, the console will have a Blu-ray drive and as previously expected will be based on the core of Windows 8. 

The critical information above, if accurate, is the release and price as Microsoft typically holds this information close to the vest before letting the public know these two crucial pieces of information. 

We fully expect Microsoft's next console to be a true media hub in the living room with a significant focus on content, as well as gaming. Seeing that Microsoft is building out its Windows 8 ecosystems with phones, tablets, and PCs, the Xbox is the missing link for the ecosystem.

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My computer already plays games and Windows Media Center works great too.
I'd rather take my $500 and spend it on computer upgrades then any console.
they are 100% redundant for me and provide nothing useful except for one thing
getting GTA 5 a year before PC users but even that isn't worth it.

I already have a great Logitech Gamepad and i sold my HD TV tuner card but it had a full size full function remote and it cost about $50. My cheap graphics card can already perform better than consoles when comparing graphics quality of ports on many popular games.. i could go on but it should be obvious what i'm driving at lol

I think a $499 release price tag sounds about right to me. I probably will not get the release console like I did with XBox 360 (the RRoD bit me hard...), but I suspect I'll be upgrading to the new PS4 or Next XBox in 2014.

I know this is going to be terrible outside of the US. The US always has the best content, but when it comes to other countries we always get little or nothing. So maybe in the USA this is worth $10 month for content, but it's going to be hard to convince people in other countries that this is worth it.

Yeah the $10 a month seems a little confusing - what does that give you and how long is that subscription?!

Once again though this is just more rumors so lets just wait till an official announcement.

From Paul's article: "Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month."

If I'm understanding correctly, it'll cost you $299 so long as you're locked into Xbox Live Gold at a cost of $10 per month (which is the regular monthly cost, but more than the 12-month cost of $60). Seems like a pretty good deal either way.

skiver said,
Yeah the $10 a month seems a little confusing - what does that give you and how long is that subscription?!

Once again though this is just more rumors so lets just wait till an official announcement.

This is something Microsoft has been talking about for quite some time. Basically, if you can't afford the console outright, they are giving people the opportunity to pay it off over time. That's all, and it's a good option I think for people that might not be able to afford the console outright. Especially in this economy.

This could be a big launch...or it could be history repeating itself over again. If MS insists on Always-online, and no used games support, I think people will backlash. And MS will have made the same mistake Sony did last generation.

I for one, don't see MS pushing anything that Sony isn't. So if Sony bans used games, I see MS doing the same.

Also, the article doesn't mention if the $500 is for the Console w/ the Kinect 2.0 or not. Previous rumors said that Kinect 2.0 would be required, so I'm assuming that price is including the Kinect.

greensabath said,
This could be a big launch...or it could be history repeating itself over again. If MS insists on Always-online, and no used games support, I think people will backlash. And MS will have made the same mistake Sony did last generation.

I for one, don't see MS pushing anything that Sony isn't. So if Sony bans used games, I see MS doing the same.

Also, the article doesn't mention if the $500 is for the Console w/ the Kinect 2.0 or not. Previous rumors said that Kinect 2.0 would be required, so I'm assuming that price is including the Kinect.

Ah, there it is... I was waiting for someone to rehash that old rumor... LOL There is no way it's true and nothing supports that it is.

And as for Kinect, every rumor I've heard as well was that it would be required, so for that price you should get the Kinect as well (Assuming the price and the rumors are true).

Wait, are you trying to invalidate what he's said because it's based on rumor, when the evidence you're supporting yourself with is rumor as well? Seriously?

Anyway, I'd hope they don't do the Kinect included bit, and offer a console version with and without it as they do now. No sense in increasing the costs for something people may not want.

"Ah, there it is... I was waiting for someone to rehash that old rumor... LOL There is no way it's true and nothing supports that it is."

If you read Paul Thurrotts post, you will see the following:

The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn't as Draconian as many seem to believe.


1. I am NOT saying MS is doing this, I am saying, that IF they do it, they are INSANE for doing it and it WILL cause backlash against them.
2. Paul's statement above doesn't make sense to me. If the Xbox must be Internet-connect to use, that AUTOMATICALLY makes it MORE Draconian than what anyone would think. My internet is down pretty much during high-traffic times (4-8pm, weeknds), I will not be happy with not being able to play an OFFLINE game because the console HAS to be connected to the internet (IF THIS is true, NOT SAYING IT IS, then I will not be buying the next Xbox)
3. To further comment on the 'backlash'. I'm sure it will be mass people calling Xbox Support when their internet goes down and they can't play a game offline. Either that, or Mass returns to the stores.


One final comment is that I have not bought into the 'rumor' hype, and am excited for the Announcement and will reserve judgement on buying it ONCE the FACTS come out.

Any incentive to the subscription deal for 10.00/month? i'm guessing it will be a 2 year deal? paying what, 40.00 in interest for borrowing 200? If it comes with a perk of sorts, i'd be game.. if its just a finance of a discount off retail price, I dunno

If Gold is important to you, then this is a good deal (If it is true, and lets say that the sub is for 2 years).

$10 a month for 24 months is $240, and would take off $200 from the console list price. This means that if you only wanted the console, you'd be out $40 by the end, however if you want Live Gold, you'd be paying $60 a year (less if you find a deal, so let's put the lower end at $35 a year). For two years, you'd be paying between $70 and $120 for the subscription.

Total price for two years with the discount would be $539, without (but still having Live Gold) would range from $569 to $619. It would seem that (should the sub be for 2 years) the subscription would be the better deal in the end

spudtrooper said,
Any incentive to the subscription deal for 10.00/month? i'm guessing it will be a 2 year deal? paying what, 40.00 in interest for borrowing 200? If it comes with a perk of sorts, i'd be game.. if its just a finance of a discount off retail price, I dunno

Well, that's essentially what it is. It allows people that may not be able to afford the console outright, but who can afford $ 10 per month, to purchase the console... It's not something I would be taking advantage of either, but it is a reasonable option for people that might need to take advantage of a program like this (And financing a product does cost more long term. If people don't want to pay more over time, they should pay it all up front).

M_Lyons10 said,

Well, that's essentially what it is. It allows people that may not be able to afford the console outright, but who can afford $ 10 per month, to purchase the console... It's not something I would be taking advantage of either, but it is a reasonable option for people that might need to take advantage of a program like this (And financing a product does cost more long term. If people don't want to pay more over time, they should pay it all up front).


With the price of an XBL subscription you are paying -less- with the $299 + $240 over time than $499 + $120 up front.

Memnochxx said,

With the price of an XBL subscription you are paying -less- with the $299 + $240 over time than $499 + $120 up front.

You can purchase Live yearly as well, which is cheaper.

M_Lyons10 said,

You can purchase Live yearly as well, which is cheaper.

$120 is the retail price for two yearly subscriptions. If you get these on sale for $35 each, $499 + $70 is still the more expensive option.

I still think that MS should partner with the Cable companies to make a version of the next XBox that can function as a DVR replacement device. They'd immediately drown out the competition as millions of subscribers would prefer to have one device to do everything especially if the cable companies subsidized it to cost $199 on a two year cable subscription, especially if at the end of the subscription, you get to keep it. If all of your settings/recordings could be listed in Skydrive, you could do magical things like having synchronized recording history/instant resume on any device. As more and more VOD services switch to an Video over IP service.

and why are we calling this a launch date? to me the launch date was always the day the system was available to the public, not the announcement date

neufuse said,
and why are we calling this a launch date? to me the launch date was always the day the system was available to the public, not the announcement date

Well at least MS is calling it a reveal event.

According to the article, it says: Paul Thurrott, who nailed the launch date of the console, is back ... It doesn't say the launch date is May 21st, it says Paul Thurrott nailed that the launch date is November. Even the title of the article says "Next Xbox expected to launch in November"

greensabath said,
According to the article, it says: Paul Thurrott, who nailed the launch date of the console, is back ... It doesn't say the launch date is May 21st, it says Paul Thurrott nailed that the launch date is November. Even the title of the article says "Next Xbox expected to launch in November"

the article quoted on this site says

"We don't have much to go on as we are talking about a rumor of an April launch and Paul indicating that May is the new launch, but for now, it's likely the best information available." keeps saying launch...

LaP said,
10$ monthly for xbox live ???

As a canadian this price is ridiculous and a deal breaker.

Read it again. This includes a reduced console price that you pay over time like a cell phone...

LaP said,
10$ monthly for xbox live ???

As a canadian this price is ridiculous and a deal breaker.

Not ridiculous but insidious. It used to be you bought a console and bought the games. Fair enough.

On PC it was buy the PC and buy the game and generally expect a few updates for free or bug fixes at the least.

Now it's just more and more costs trying to be made "normal". You buy an expensive console and expensive games. Then you buy DLC packs galore for "new content" that was generally made before the game was released. Now they want a subscription to allow you to play them too. Gamers need to be more savvy and reject these "fees".

Up next will be micro-transactions inside the expensive game, with it's 3 DLC packs at $15 a pop, on the expensive console with the subscription.

Anyone cool with this is the epitome of the "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY" meme

AWKM said,

Not ridiculous but insidious. It used to be you bought a console and bought the games. Fair enough.

On PC it was buy the PC and buy the game and generally expect a few updates for free or bug fixes at the least.

Now it's just more and more costs trying to be made "normal". You buy an expensive console and expensive games. Then you buy DLC packs galore for "new content" that was generally made before the game was released. Now they want a subscription to allow you to play them too. Gamers need to be more savvy and reject these "fees".

Up next will be micro-transactions inside the expensive game, with it's 3 DLC packs at $15 a pop, on the expensive console with the subscription.

Anyone cool with this is the epitome of the "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY" meme


While I don't disagree with you, that's not what's happening here.

They are allowing those that cannot afford the console outright to lease $200 of it for $10 per month and get Live as well. I think it's fair for those that want to take advantage of this program.

In addition it will run the core of Windows 8? I feel like you've just skipped over that tad piece if it was made fresh by Paul Thurrot.

JonnyLH said,
In addition it will run the core of Windows 8? I feel like you've just skipped over that tad piece if it was made fresh by Paul Thurrot.

Why wouldn't it? The past two xbox's have ran the windows kernel and a subset of windows based on the version that was available at development time, it only makes sense to run the latest kernel and core os in this one... PT is just fishing for stuff to talk about... so it's not really news

That's a common misconception. The Xbox kernals were always built from scratch. If the Windows kernal ran on the 360 considering its PowerPC, would of been a technological feat in itself.

Also the Windows 8 kernal opens the idea to the Windows 8 app store. Which really makes me wonder why people big the PS4 for indie development.

JonnyLH said,
That's a common misconception. The Xbox kernals were always built from scratch. If the Windows kernal ran on the 360 considering its PowerPC, would of been a technological feat in itself.

Err you do know that Windows NT4 ran on PowerPC as well as MIPS, Alpha and x86 right?

Theres no problem with running NT on the xbox at all considering it was designed to be portable although whether its a cut down version of the NT kernel I don't know but there is nothing stopping them from using NT on the xbox 720 or whatever its called.

JonnyLH said,
That's a common misconception. The Xbox kernals were always built from scratch. If the Windows kernal ran on the 360 considering its PowerPC, would of been a technological feat in itself.

Also the Windows 8 kernal opens the idea to the Windows 8 app store. Which really makes me wonder why people big the PS4 for indie development.

ah no, xbox according to MICROSOFT ran on the Windows 2000 kernel when it came out, and there was a PPC version of the NT kernel

and a kernel has nothing to do with an app store... that is a shell element, not a kernel element, so a Windows 8 kernel does not open the app store environment by itself... you need the shell to do that

Windows NT4, that operating system from 16 years ago? If any code from the previous architectures supported is reused today in the latest kernel I'd be amazed.

Like I said neufuse, a common misconception which everyone else believes round here. Xbox 1 did not run the windows 2000 kernal, it included a sub set of the windows api's from that kernal at the time. Huge difference.

An actual source: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/xboxte...hive/2006/02/17/534421.aspx

In to regards with the app store, the kernal does provide support for the app store, simply because of the applications they run. The kernal and the API's which sit ontop of it provide support for the Modern UI applications to be executed which means ridiculous cross-compatibility between phone, pc, tablet, xbox.

Edit: Shell element doesn't mean part of the kernal. Shell applications tie directly into Win32 API's which then talk to the kernal.

Edited by JonnyLH, Apr 25 2013, 3:39pm :

it's Kernel, with two e's, there's no a.

and the NT kernel has from the start been designed to be highly portable, and with the new modern mini kernels it's only gotten more portable.

I think the problem is that you don't understand what a kernel is, and think it's far more than what it actually is, most of those API's you talk about are actually on top of the kernel.

So no, the 360 ran a PPC compiled version of the NT/2000 kernel. heck windows mobile(CE) even ran a very lean customized NT kernel, it was however very cut down

You'd be surprised at the amount of architectures the NT architecture runs and has run on.

Also you should read that very article you quoted yourself. he's talking about the whole OS, and how the "OS" is not windows 2000.

and to quote him


The operating system is more than just the kernel.

You say I don't understand what a kernal is yet I modified a unix kernal to support a specific process we need in our servers. So when you've worked at 3 of the top 5 ISP's in the UK, come back at me.

Didn't I say the API's sat ontop of my kernal in the previous post? You don't have a clue what a kernal is because you said you just recompile a PPC version. Yeah, lets just re-compile to work with a completely different CPU instruction set, kudos. I bet you don't understand what compiling means.

Did you even read the source. The kernal is the most important part of the OS as its the lowest level machine code which actually interacts with the hardware. Read this:
"I am honestly not sure where the Win2K misperception comes from, but Xbox runs a custom operating system built from the ground up. While our operating system exports many of the same APIs found in Win32 (e.g. CreateThread or WaitForSingleObject), not everything is there. For instance, there is no use for CreateWindow on Xbox - all graphics are done through (our own flavor of) Direct3D."

$499 sounds about right. I'll wait for year 2 when they drop price to $399 because xbox live is so much cheaper if you get it from someone other than MSFT. Actually, I wonder if they kill 3rd party xbox live gold sales to control price...

M_Lyons10 said,
Yeah, to be honest, I think the $399 is more the sweet spot for consoles...

Just pay 100 more for a multimediaplayer and set top box

Innovative technology... Yeah Gamers don't want that crap... we should still be playing with rubber bands or something.

Please stop trying to speak for everyone as your "Gamers" definition does not make it a fact.

If the 'innovative' technology was useful then yes, they would. But kinect isn't. Unless you're a casual gamer of course. And judging by how defensive you got over it, i think it's safe to assume you're a casual.

I'd rather have a cheaper console with the option for Kinect, as opposed to having it bundled in and increasing the price of the box as a whole.

There's no reason to force this crap on people when you can do just as Microsoft CURRENTLY does by selling them together or separate.

I hate to tell you this but Kinect isn't really the reason why the next Xbox is going to be $499. The Kinect 2.0 sensor is actually cheaper in many ways than Kinect 1.0 and Kinect 1.0, wasn't really $150 either, it was more like $60 for the BOM. For Kinect 2.0, we are talking of around $30 for the Bill of Materials. There aren't any motors in it, so the motors and chips for that are out, and it also has it's own chip created by Microsoft in software and fabbed somewhere else. That means "Prime Sense" the company that created the first chip for Kinect is out. Kinect 2.0, has a 1080p low light camera using USB 3.0 and a new sensor called Active IR that allows you to not have to worry about light to see faces. So, it should actually end up being much cheaper when added in the box. The price is due to other factors not related to Kinect or Backwards compatibility. Something else must be in that box.

Just because it isn't expensive doesn't mean microsoft wont (possibly significantly) overcharge you for it. Just think of xbox 360 harddrives and you'll know what i'm talking about.