Nexus One full specs revealed, invite-only retail sales

Engadget managed to get their hands on the specs and release details for Google's upcoming Nexus One smartphone. According to their source, the phone will be available January 5th via invite only. It seems that Google will be doing the inviting, but it's unclear as to how it will work. T-Mobile will get to sell the phone at some point, but no time table is known.

You'll notice below that the Nexus One will have twice the amount of RAM as the Motorola Droid, as well as a 1GHz processor, which also nearly doubles that of the Droid. The screen, as rumored, is AMOLED, and the camera will have a flash with 2x digital zoom. The phone is also thinner than the iPhone 3GS.

Here are the notable specs:

  • Android 2.1
  • 3.7-inch WVGA AMOLED screen
  • Memory: 512MB ROM, 512MB RAM
  • 4 GB MicroSD card (expandable to 32GB)
  • 5-megapixel camera with autofocus, 2X digital zoom, LED flash
  • UMTS 1/4/8 (2100/AWS/900)
  • HSDPA 7.5Mbps, HSUPA 2Mbps up to 5.76Mbps
  • GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
  • WiFi (802.11 a,b,g,n), Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, A2DP stereo Bluetooth
  • AGPS, compass, accelerometor
  • Weight: 130g with battery
  • Dimensions: 119mm x 59.8mm x 11.5mm
  • Teflon-coated back cover
  • 3.5mm headset jack
  • Second microphone for active noise cancellation
  • Proximity sensor, light sensor
  • 1400 mAH battery

Here are the full specs:

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Dogward said,
The Nokia N900 is far better, although a bit fat

better to wait for the one after N900 with maemo 6. the n900 is a unfinished product, just a $500 consumer beta test.

Good job Google. Although the KB is missing they managed to add EVERY spec point I thought was important for my next phone upgrade from my Touch Pro.

1Ghz CPU, 512MB RAM, 512MB ROM.

Now to see how much I need a KB and if this thing will hit Sprint.

I sold my gsm hero last week because I was nervous it would be worthless once this phone comes out, looks like I'm right, $440 on ebay. I'm so ready to buy this phone. I'd happily pay $200 for it, even $300.

I doubt its going to be an iphone killer, but it'll take over droid's spot. I wish it had senseUI but oh well, hopefully XDA will port something over. I don't think it will have multitouch, the specs would have mentioned something, plus I'm not sure if AMOLED can do multitouch.

It's....invite only. What do you people not understand about that? They're not going to be floating around in every single AT&T booth you see in malls, they're going to be rare.

LiquidSolstice said,
It's....invite only. What do you people not understand about that? They're not going to be floating around in every single AT&T booth you see in malls, they're going to be rare.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time on you. I know its going to be invite only, we all do. Hoping a few weeks or a month later it will be public.

I've got a feeling that this is the mystery Android phone that Softbank will be releasing in Japan in the spring. If so, I will be all over it. So, glad I didn't get the HTC Magic in July!

Out of interest, what is the best camera on a mobile phone outside of Japan?
Nowadays, most new phones here are either 8.1MP or 12MP, which is overkill for a phone, I agree, but most phones overseas seem to have only 5MP at best.

Shiranui said,
I've got a feeling that this is the mystery Android phone that Softbank will be releasing in Japan in the spring. If so, I will be all over it. So, glad I didn't get the HTC Magic in July!

Out of interest, what is the best camera on a mobile phone outside of Japan?
Nowadays, most new phones here are either 8.1MP or 12MP, which is overkill for a phone, I agree, but most phones overseas seem to have only 5MP at best.

Overseas? You're overseas buddy. and the best right now is 5MP. The engineers over here didn't go to school 7 days a week 365 days a year so they're a little weak I know.

VoX said,

Overseas? You're overseas buddy. and the best right now is 5MP. The engineers over here didn't go to school 7 days a week 365 days a year so they're a little weak I know.

Haha +1

"UMTS 1/4/8 (2100/AWS/900)
HSDPA 7.5Mbps, HSUPA 2Mbps up to 5.76Mbps"

these are 3G specs. btw i would expect at least HSPDA+ since there are many carriers (in Europe at least) that upgrade their networks nowadays to HSPA+ (and sometimes HSPA+ MIMO) offering speeds up to 28.8 Mpbs.

Thanks for the reply. I'm with AT&T and would most likely get this phone if I can use it on AT&T with 3G. If it's stuck at Edge, no way.

this phone can be used on AT&T, but not 3G as someone mentioned that the 3G band on this phone isn't the same as the 3G band for AT&T...3G for T-Mobile is compatible, but ATT uses a different band

jb thanks for the reply. Well that stinks for AT&T. Google just lost a customer. I'm with AT&T due to my wife's iPhone. Oh well.

yeah, i wanted to get this phone as well, especially if it is $199 without contract, for AT&T

but without 3G usage, it's useless...i wonder why Google would do that, make a GSM phone and try to get both T-Mobile and AT&T customers, but doesn't use compatible 3G bands

hopefully AT&T gets a droid soon, otherwise, i may get the Motorola A855 Milestone unlocked from Canada's Telus (they apparently use the same 3G band as AT&T)

Rogers, Telus, and Bell in Canada all use the UMTS 850/1900 bands and support HSPA+ (21.6 Mbps) ... it looks like this phone will not work with any carrier in Canada if it only supports the 900/2100 bands.

after seeing the video of this phone "it is" the iphone killer for sure. id love to get my hands on this. what network can it be activated on? jesus i hope they bring this to sprint someday.

Im hoping to get an invite.
T-Mobile Customer 9+ years
myTouch3G
Google Voice since first wave
Google Wave since first wave
GMail since first wave

Crossing my fingers! I'll by it in a second if I get an invite.

"Teflon-coated back cover"
Before reading that I started thinking, when will we get phones with hardware that gets too hot?
Perhaps this phone will be able to cook an egg like those AMD cpus once upon a time <3

But seriously, phones are getting so much power... They have to hit the wall at some point? Or will we not be able to feed them enough power with those compact batteries? Hmmm.
Merry Christmas everybody 8D

I agree. Battery tech is really lagging behind. Is nobody doing any damn advancements on it that we can see in affect soon?
I'm sick of hearing new research that will improve battery power by x10000 in the year 3000 -.-

P.S. Yes I exaggerated but you know what I mean =p

so is this going to be sold through Google? rumor is it will cost $199.

now, if i buy it though Google, will i have to go with T-Mobile or can I use it with AT&T?

If it is sold unsubsidized and T-Mobile has nothing to do with it you can use it on at&t, but only on EDGE since it only has European and T-Mobile 3G bands.

mrp04 said,
If it is sold unsubsidized and T-Mobile has nothing to do with it you can use it on at&t, but only on EDGE since it only has European and T-Mobile 3G bands.


So weird... if it's ready for Europe, why is it only being launched in USA

it is actually partnered with TMobile, which is one of the 4 main cell phone carriers in USA

i'm guessing Europe and T-Mobile uses the same 3G band

Very weird that they limited it in this fashion. I can't imagine it's that hard to make it compatible with one more band for AT&T 3G access.

Just to let you all know, a standalone GPS chip is built INTO the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250 processor.

http://www.qctconnect.com/products/snapdragon.html

Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets
The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:

1 GHz CPU
600MHz DSP
Integrated 3G mobile broadband
Support for Wi-Fi® and Bluetooth® connectivity
Built-in seventh-generation gpsOne® engine with Standalone-GPS and Assisted-GPS modes
High-definition (720p) video decode, and multiple video codec support
High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec
High-resolution up to WXGA (1280x720) display support
12-megapixel camera support
Multiple audio codecs: (AAC+, eAAC+, AMR, FR, EFR, HR, WB-AMR, G.729a, G.711, AAC stereo encode)
Support for mobile broadcast TV (MediaFLO™, DVB-H and ISDB-T)
Support for Windows Mobile®, Android, and a number of Linux®-based operating systems
Qualcomm's hybrid mode alternative solution

emzino said,
Just to let you all know, a standalone GPS chip is built INTO the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250 processor.

That is a given. Most smart phones in the past 2 years have had built in GPS chips.

I'd buy one directly from Google (hopefully unlocked) as an easy to carry device to access WiFi hotspots and as a media player.

And eventually if I see a data plan that fits me, I'll get one.

who cares about the stupid iphone. its people like you all that will keep that thing alive. always comparing every phone to it. <snipped> the only reason people continue to purchase it is because people who don't know any better are listening to people comparing these good phones to a terrible phone. now all these people who don't know any better think "oh wow the iphone must be good if this smart computer guy thinks that its in the same league as this other new phone that i've never heard of because its too complicated for me" <snipped>.

lol. the only thing that sucks about the iPhone is AT&T, and in Canada we don't have that problem. You'd have to clarify how the phone itself sucks if you expect people to take you seriously. Also, the appeal of the iPhone is mainly the software and the single hardware developer (Apple) and Android is still not able to match app development on the iPhone, as it has to deal with various hardware configurations that make app development a massive headache on the Android.

It's the same anti Apple stuff we've heard for years. I bet that one complaint is that the iPhone can't do copy and paste. Same complaint as Mac OS only supporting one mouse button. If by "people like you", he means satisfied customers, then I guess you can forget the rest.

And I agreed about AT&T. I was up in Canada with my iPhone two weeks ago, and had used both Rogers and Bell with roaming. The service was great everywhere, even in the PATH in Toronto.

LincKraker said,
who cares about the stupid iphone. its people like you all that will keep that thing alive. always comparing every phone to it. <snipped> the only reason people continue to purchase it is because people who don't know any better are listening to people comparing these good phones to a terrible phone.

and apps

apps apps apps apps

This is very important. It's a large part of what makes the phone, and it dominates the market at it. Dominates.

who cares about the stupid iphone. its people like you all that will keep that thing alive. always comparing every phone to it. <snipped> the only reason people continue to purchase it is because people who don't know any better are listening to people comparing these good phones to a terrible phone. now all these people who don't know any better think "oh wow the iphone must be good if this smart computer guy thinks that its in the same league as this other new phone that i've never heard of because its too complicated for me" <snipped>.

I don't know if you're just ignorant, or oblivious or something and are completely unaware of just how much the iPhone shook up the market when it dropped. In terms of sheer usability, flexibility, and the way the device brings together its functionality it annhilated everything else in the market. Even now, people are still talking about "iPhone killers" and all Apple have done since releasing the iPhone is marginally increment it with a few new hardware and software features - the product remains largely unchanged.

I know that there are people out there who can't give Apple a shred of credit for a lot of the things they do, and they're entitled to that. But don't let your bias cloud your judgement on giving credit where credit is due. The iPhone has been "the phone" to beat for 2 years. Android devices are getting better with each day and are in my opinion the first really viable alternatives.

I personally dislike the iPhone for the iron fisted control Apple like to exert over it, and the fact that you have to keep re-jailbreaking with every update, when you root an Android phone, it stays rooted as long as you install a custom SPL and Recovery image. Apple really just moved smartphones into the consumer arena by removing a lot of business features and making the software a bit more lean and easy to use, whereas I personally see Android as being more of a geek's OS, because of being open source, once they figure out how to root the phone you can customise the living hell out of it.

Jugalator said,
and apps

apps apps apps apps

This is very important. It's a large part of what makes the phone, and it dominates the market at it. Dominates.

This comes up an awful lot, and it's always shrugged off with a resounding "Yeah, but good ones?" This is then never answered. Ever.

I have yet to see a popular iPhone app that isn't available on other phones. I sat down with a friend comparing his iPhone to my Android and tried to figure out what he could do that I couldn't. In the end, I could do more.

Maybe he just didn't know how to search the app store very well. Maybe it's just easier to search Google's Market. Point for Google on ease of use, I guess?

Glad to finally see something stands a chance of being GOOD, DESIRABLE competition for the iPhone.

Now if only I could get an invite

Hurry and make with the invites so I can get out of my Sprint ETF in January when they change the contract!

I already have Mail, Voice, and Wave so hook me up with the Nexus!

booboo said,
Second microphone for active noise cancellation little things like this definately help though...

Hardly, being HTC it'll be minor experiment that won't work very well till 2-3 revisions down the line if they don't drop it completely.

HTC really could learn some tips from the way Nokia does hardware and things is all like multi media focus, business focus, all round focus and low end focus. That's all I'm getting at, it's just the fact that every phone has almost the same features and only differentiation is small things like an extra microphone which is probably hardly worth it over other phones like HD2, Touch pro 2 etc. They really need to throw some better feature like camera and memory/storage and input methods into the mix also like Comes with music like audio features would be good too.

Digix said,
Hardly, being HTC it'll be minor experiment that won't work very well till 2-3 revisions down the line if they don't drop it completely.

HTC really could learn some tips from the way Nokia does hardware and things is all like multi media focus, business focus, all round focus and low end focus. That's all I'm getting at, it's just the fact that every phone has almost the same features and only differentiation is small things like an extra microphone which is probably hardly worth it over other phones like HD2, Touch pro 2 etc. They really need to throw some better feature like camera and memory/storage and input methods into the mix also like Comes with music like audio features would be good too.

I know the Touch Pro 2 has the second microphone, but I'm not sure about the HD2. I would call this pretty differentiated, since it runs a completely different OS and has their different Android styling.

Digix said,
looks bit meh imo HTC really aren't doing much in way of variation or differentiation between their products

Yes, because companies go shopping at the corporate store every week and pick up a 6-pack of "innovation" and it's that simple, right?

peacemf said,
nobody saw this bit:
Second microphone for active noise cancellation

That is nice, but don't all the new HTC phones have that now? I know my Touch Pro 2 does.

peacemf said,
nobody saw this bit:
Second microphone for active noise cancellation

Everyone saw it. No one mentioned it because it was one of the first things we knew about this phone.

Just want to know whether the spec is better than HTC HD2? (no more bashing of wm6.5 pls...its good OS period)..i just wanna know what is lacking in htc hd2..

guruparan said,
Just want to know whether the spec is better than HTC HD2? (no more bashing of wm6.5 pls...its good OS period)..i just wanna know what is lacking in htc hd2..

It lighter, has more ram, and I'm sorry but I have to mention it Android is another league to Windows Mobile 6.5

thealexweb said,
It lighter, has more ram, and I'm sorry but I have to mention it Android is another league to Windows Mobile 6.5

He specifically said not to mention the OS. Some people like Windows Mobile, just because the blogs and vocal people on the internet don't like it doesn't mean everyone feels the same.

But yes, it has more RAM and is lighter, it also has a directional control unlike the HD2, but it doesn't look as nice. It has 3G bands for AWS (T-Mobile, the new Canadian carrier) and Europe. It just comes down to what network you are on and what OS you prefer. In the US, the HD2 won't work on any 3G network, while this thing will work on T-Mobile's, but it also looks like T-Mobile is also getting their own HD2.

lexa000 said,
No, he said not to bash WinMo 6.5, thealexweb didn't say WinMo 6.5 was crap, he just said that Android was better.

doesnt it mean win 6.5 is a crap? ...guys.. leave some time for us to live on our way...i like win 6.5, android & iphone
Just asked whether HTC HD2 is good with hardware specs or nexus is good..
In our office, we develop smartphone apps, so wanted to define roadmap or list, to allocate resource to followup on email to get these (if we have access to nexus, since couple of our guys are core android developers)

Super3online said,
Sorry but this does not beat the display size on the HTC H2.

No but it does beat it's quality.

OLED is much nicer than TFT.

... other than the fact that it's Google doing the inviting -- if we had to guess, current registered developers are a strong possibility --...

Sweet, gief, now!

This just pwns the iphone 3GS, its got a better camera, more powerful CPU, a far better OS and its got got SD memory card slot.

thealexweb said,
This just pwns the iphone 3GS, its got a better camera, more powerful CPU, a far better OS and its got got SD memory card slot.

and 802.11n, AMOLED screen, 1400mah batt. this is the REAL iphone killer.

and by killer i mean second place, it wont stop apple.

thealexweb said,
This just pwns the iphone 3GS, its got a better camera, more powerful CPU, a far better OS and its got got SD memory card slot.

The Nexus One has way better hardware specs .. but Apple will be updating the iPhone in June. 6 Months away.

thealexweb said,
This just pwns the iphone 3GS, its got a better camera, more powerful CPU, a far better OS and its got got SD memory card slot.

I agree on everything BUT the OS. I really wish I would have gotten an iPhone, all the apps are better on the iPhone....even the ones that have an android version

barteh said,
+1 Rudy.
Specs are better, but the Apple OS IS the best.

No Android acts more like a real OS, iPhone OS runs like an embedded operating system, Android is just so much more flexible.

Rudy said,
I agree on everything BUT the OS. I really wish I would have gotten an iPhone, all the apps are better on the iPhone....even the ones that have an android version :(

I'm not sure where you're getting your info... everybody I know that has an iPhone hates the Apps and much prefers their Android cousins.

dimithrak said,
far better OS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

dimi... we have no sympathy for apple fanboi's here, take your trolling elsewhere.

dimithrak said,
far better OS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

lmao +1
Don't want to sound like a troll, but I've tried the Android and I'm sorry but the iPhone OS is superior (IMHO). It's hard for me to explain, but it feels exactly like its bigger brother (desktop Linux), the icons are weird looking, the fonts are weird, I dunno it just doesn't look professional at all to me, and the apps are inconsistent, etc...Did not impress me at all :-(

I think the iPhone OS is poor compared to Android, no multitasking, and of course all of Apple's proprietary lockdowns also inhibit the user experience somewhat. The spec of this phone is really impressive, it should outperform every other smartphone on the market by some margin.

the iPhone OS is much cleaner and easier to use. And yet it remains incredibly powerful due to the amount of API's present. The most important thing Apple did for the iPhone was to make Cocoa Touch UI's incredibly easy to build its what makes all the apps so consistent. Unifying the look and functionality of all the apps keeps it easy to use and that will be the real success story from the iPhone. Usability.

Android is good but its not iPhone OS good, if anything its closer to Symbian OS or Windows Mobile at this point.

The biggest problem with Android is that the UI toolkit sucks. That's why everyone thinks iPhone apps are better than Android apps. If you used the exact same layout for an iPhone and Android app, the Android app would look a lot more clunky and likely require scrolling to show it's whole UI. iPhone OS looks good by default, Android apps look good in proportion to how many native widgets the developer re-skined or replaced. Look at the senseUI, HTC needed to completely re-create the native UI toolkit with a custom Tab bar widget, custom number selectors and a bunch of other custom widgets in order to have decent looking replacement apps.

Vice said,
Android is good but its not iPhone OS good, if anything its closer to Symbian OS or Windows Mobile at this point.

Are you high? When was the last time you actually used an Android device?

I've seen the Nexus One at work and it is an iPhone killer. I've used a Blackberry Bold 9000, an iPhone 3G and a HTC Magic in the past 24 months so I've had time to compare the different popular smartphones.

The earlier versions of Android (pre 2.0 releases) are laughable compared to Android OS 2.1. The Nexus is truly an impressive phone, not just for its hardware, but also for the software.

Android is nothing like Symbian or Windows Mobile, its far better than those. The main problem is that thanks to Apple and their stupid patents other phone makers are scared to implement multi touch in their phones, because of the inevitability that Apple's lawyers will come knocking, its hard to compete when the competition stifle what you can do.

Not to mention, if you really want to see what Android can do, you get a much fairer representation from a custom rom like Cyanogen Mod. Full Bluetooth OBEX, when was the last time I saw that in an iPhone... oh wait it can't be done because Apple locked it down to make more money from iTunes.

Pharos said,
lmao +1
Don't want to sound like a troll, but I've tried the Android and I'm sorry but the iPhone OS is superior (IMHO). It's hard for me to explain, but it feels exactly like its bigger brother (desktop Linux), the icons are weird looking, the fonts are weird, I dunno it just doesn't look professional at all to me, and the apps are inconsistent, etc...Did not impress me at all :-(

I agree completely. I'm all for Android providing a serious challenge to the iPhone, but when looking at Android phones, I reach the same conclusion as you - it doesn't look professional or polished at all, which is the same conclusion I reach when I look at Linux distros compared to Windows or OS X. Of course, this doesn't mean that they don't run extremely well, but the aesthetics are just as important to me as the functionality, and the iPhone is far superior when it comes to the UI.

Acually, one part of the UI that totally makes sense is the app tray, you can put shortcuts on a homescreen if you wish, but your apps are listed alphabetically on a pull out tray. Far better than just plonking them on homescreen after homescreen like the iPhone OS does, arranged in random order. The pulldown notification menu is also a very clever piece of design. I really don't get the point about unclean UI design, it works for me.

Frank Fontaine said,
Android is nothing like Symbian or Windows Mobile, its far better than those. The main problem is that thanks to Apple and their stupid patents other phone makers are scared to implement multi touch in their phones, because of the inevitability that Apple's lawyers will come knocking, its hard to compete when the competition stifle what you can do.

Not to mention, if you really want to see what Android can do, you get a much fairer representation from a custom rom like Cyanogen Mod. Full Bluetooth OBEX, when was the last time I saw that in an iPhone... oh wait it can't be done because Apple locked it down to make more money from iTunes.

OBEX works fine on my Rooted iPhone. And if I'm not mistaken you run yours rooted to get features not available to your G1 currently. So there's no difference here. Also multitouch isn't really used that much on the iPhone. Sure you can zoom in on images and a few games use it but in normal productivity apps its rarely used for anything.

Frank Fontaine said,
Acually, one part of the UI that totally makes sense is the app tray, you can put shortcuts on a homescreen if you wish, but your apps are listed alphabetically on a pull out tray. Far better than just plonking them on homescreen after homescreen like the iPhone OS does, arranged in random order. The pulldown notification menu is also a very clever piece of design. I really don't get the point about unclean UI design, it works for me.

I'd much rather have icons on pages that I can move around and have games on one screen, apps on another etc - The home screen on the iPhone is perfect which is why everyones copying it.

Nokia http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads...a_n900_ui_2.jpg
Sony Ericsson http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2768/406343..._b529b058a3.jpg
Windows Mobile http://static.arstechnica.com/windows_mobile_65_small.png

And these are just the 3 mobile makers I could think of off the top of my ahead. I just google-imaged these at random but I know for a fact that Samsung and LG also have phones doing the same icon layout, because hey it works.

You can do that with Android as well, but unlike the iPhone, with Android you have a choice, you can have shortcuts on your homescreen and you can use the app tray, so you win both ways, and I don't agree that it works at all, I find it extremely annoying. And yes, I do root my phone to gain extra features, but with Android the limitations aren't imposed by the OS, they are imposed by the carrier, or manufacture of the phone, whereas Apple impose restrictions on the iPhone themselves, not to mention that being open means that you can literally customise every single part of the OS if you have a rooted phone, with the iPhone you can only customise with what apps are provided, then you have to wait for a new jailbreak everytime an update is released, and then you have to wait for all the theming apps to be updated to work with the new springboard, and so on.

Owning a device running both, I agree that the iPhone OS is a bit more user friendly, but Android blows it out of the water when it comes to customisation.

Frank Fontaine said,
You can do that with Android as well, but unlike the iPhone, with Android you have a choice, you can have shortcuts on your homescreen and you can use the app tray, so you win both ways, and I don't agree that it works at all, I find it extremely annoying. And yes, I do root my phone to gain extra features, but with Android the limitations aren't imposed by the OS, they are imposed by the carrier, or manufacture of the phone, whereas Apple impose restrictions on the iPhone themselves, not to mention that being open means that you can literally customise every single part of the OS if you have a rooted phone, with the iPhone you can only customise with what apps are provided, then you have to wait for a new jailbreak everytime an update is released, and then you have to wait for all the theming apps to be updated to work with the new springboard, and so on.

Owning a device running both, I agree that the iPhone OS is a bit more user friendly, but Android blows it out of the water when it comes to customisation.

You just said and I quote:
"But with Android the limitations aren't imposed by the OS, they are imposed by the carrier, or manufacture of the phone, whereas Apple impose restrictions on the iPhone themselves"

Apple are the manufacturer of the iPhone and just like HTC and Motorola impose limitations on the G1 and the Droid, Apple impose limitations on the iPhone. To say the situation is different is wrong as its exactly the same. And you can customise the way apps are presented on the iPhone as-well to be identical to android. Android does not blow the iPhone OS out of the water not even close. Also have you actually checked when Jailbreaks are available for the iPhone? - When a new model is released a Jailbreak is usually available within 15 days of release. That is hardly a long wait, most Cydia apps are updated for the iPhone in similar fashion.

In todays world people don't want things that are complicated people want things that work reliably and are easy to understand and use. What average consumer is going to root their Android device to customise it? Or to install Cooked Roms and things. Most people want an app store with hundreds of thousands of applications for every conceivable occasion and they want those apps to be easy to use and that is what the iPhone platform delivers. It's also what everyone is copying. Androids Store, Nokia Ovi, Palms Store, The Windows Marketplace etc - As usual Apple innovate and everyone else jumps on the bandwagon with a 'not as good' replica. Also the Android SDK for developing applications is **** poor in comparison to xcode. Same problem that Palm have, they need to fix that ASAP.

Also just personally, I don't want to customise my iPhone because its default UI with the home screens and spotlight searching is perfect just the way it is. Why mess with perfection? It's so easy to use and all my most used apps are displayed to me straight away, its just the way I like it. If I had any other device I'd customise that to look just like the iPhones home screen.

Vice said,
I'd much rather have icons on pages that I can move around and have games on one screen, apps on another etc - The home screen on the iPhone is perfect which is why everyones copying it.

Wow, now Apple invented the icon grid layout for PDA's and smart phones. I guess I should give Palm kudos for creating a time machine which they apparently used to travel into the future and steal the icon grid design from a phone that wouldn't be released for almost a decade.

geoken said,
Wow, now Apple invented the icon grid layout for PDA's and smart phones. I guess I should give Palm kudos for creating a time machine which they apparently used to travel into the future and steal the icon grid design from a phone that wouldn't be released for almost a decade.

lol - I never said Apple created or invented anything. I said other companies are copying their implementation. Which they are. There are plenty of alternative ways to display applications but everyone is doing the same as Apple with the pages of apps where you side-scroll. The way before this was to have 1 page where you scrolled up and down and the icons didn't have a unified look where the new ones all follow Apples way of surrounding the icons with a little rounded edged box. Also a lot of the new phones make this application screen the 'Home' screen like Apple have done. Before apple did this app screens like these were inside other applications or you'd launch a browser first which would then present your apps.

Again, Apple didn't invent it and I never said they did.

Vice said,
I'd much rather have icons on pages that I can move around and have games on one screen, apps on another etc - The home screen on the iPhone is perfect which is why everyones copying it.

Nokia http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads...a_n900_ui_2.jpg
Sony Ericsson http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2768/406343..._b529b058a3.jpg
Windows Mobile http://static.arstechnica.com/windows_mobile_65_small.png

And these are just the 3 mobile makers I could think of off the top of my ahead. I just google-imaged these at random but I know for a fact that Samsung and LG also have phones doing the same icon layout, because hey it works.

Actually bud, the screenshot of the WM6.5 is way out of date, that was the original design layout, the honeycomb graphics are dead.

http://ai.rs/2009/08/htc-mega-wm6-5-screenshots/

I personally prefer my HTC TP2 running WM6.5 - I can do everything with this phone that thr iPhone can and then some. I find the UI easier to use, the fact I have an actual keyboard and can type without hassle, oh yeah and I can multi-task too

cerealfreak said,

Actually bud, the screenshot of the WM6.5 is way out of date, that was the original design layout, the honeycomb graphics are dead.

http://ai.rs/2009/08/htc-mega-wm6-5-screenshots/

I personally prefer my HTC TP2 running WM6.5 - I can do everything with this phone that thr iPhone can and then some. I find the UI easier to use, the fact I have an actual keyboard and can type without hassle, oh yeah and I can multi-task too ;)

I like the layout on the newer WM6.5 of the icons. And they look really nice the icons themselves.

A significant difference between the iPhone home screen and an Android home screen:

My unhacked Android phone has wallpaper. That's right kids, wallpaper. Right out of the box. Even when I'm looking at my icons--not just on the lock screen. I'm sure the company that brought you cut and paste will invent wallpaper in the next edition, though.

/see? i didn't even go below the belt by bringing up all the widgets you don't have to hack a thing to use

Joshie said,
A significant difference between the iPhone home screen and an Android home screen:

My unhacked Android phone has wallpaper. That's right kids, wallpaper. Right out of the box. Even when I'm looking at my icons--not just on the lock screen. I'm sure the company that brought you cut and paste will invent wallpaper in the next edition, though.

/see? i didn't even go below the belt by bringing up all the widgets you don't have to hack a thing to use

:D +1

vaximily said,
Are you high? When was the last time you actually used an Android device?

He's kind of right. Android will always be to the iPhone what linux is to OS X, far behind on UI and polish, lightyears ahead in capability and "potential".

You decide who goes for the final product.

dimithrak said,
far better OS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

I didn't spend tons and tons of money on an Apple product and a $100+ data plan that destroys my wallet every month?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-shut up.