Nintendo disagrees with Microsoft's DRM policies


Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Mario, has said Nintendo will not follow Microsoft's DRM policies.

Since finally announcing its digital rights management requirements of its upcoming Xbox One console, Microsoft's faced a bevy of criticism from both gamers and gaming companies. Shigeru Miyamoto, an executive at Nintendo best known for creating Mario, has now thrown Nintendo's hat into the ring, saying the Japanese company doesn't believe in restrictive DRM.

Speaking to Eurogamer, Miyamoto said Nintendo believes gamers should have access to their games for as long as they desire, without restrictions. By comparison, Microsoft's Xbox One requires users to connect their consoles to the Internet once every 24 hours or games will be inaccessible. Additionally, Xbox One games can only be given away one time and can't be borrowed by another player. The console also restricts the sale of used games to approved third-party stores, though publishers have the final say if games can be traded in.

"What's really important is viewing Nintendo almost like a toy company, where we're making these things for people to play with," Miyamoto said. "As a consumer, you want to be able to keep those things for a long time and have those things from your youth that you can go back to and experience again."

Nintendo launched its Wii U gaming console late last year without DRM policies such as those found in the Xbox One. When Microsoft and Sony's new consoles are released later this year, the Xbox One will be the only of the three major consoles to feature significant DRM changes from the current generation of consoles.

Prior to the conference's start earlier this week, Microsoft proclaimed its E3 presence would be dominated by games, though the majority of the publicity the company's received has been negative reactions to its DRM policies. Sony took a shot at Microsoft by showing a tongue-in-cheek video when it announced the PlayStation 4 wouldn't feature restrictive DRM practices. Sony's announcement was met with a standing ovation from attendees of its press conference.

Source: Eurogamer | Image via Nintendo

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One of the many reasons why I think the WiiU is a great console. This is also why EA are not developing for the WiiU, think about it. To EA the only way the WiiU will be a "Viable" platform is if Nintendo uses DRM.

I find this funny. What was he going to say, "We fully support this move and hope by doing so we can garner some more negative attention to our already poorly selling console"

Not even a knock on Nintendo, sales are sure to pick up, but only a fool would join Microsoft's parade right now.

Nintendo digital purchases are tied to your console. If your Wii U breaks, you have to wait for a replacement/buy another one, and then call Nintendo so they can transfer licences to your new Wii U. That's the worst kind of DRM ever.

Nobody cares what Nintendo's position on the next-gen consoles is, as it's not even competing with Microsoft or Sony. The Wii U has the same power as the X360 / PS3, only it's a) more expensive, b) has a fraction of the games, c) has a gimmicky controller and d) has poor online functionality.

Even though the Wii U is a 'next gen console'. It is not in the same league as Sony and Microsoft. Mainly cause they cater (pretty much only) the casual gamer market.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Nobody cares what Nintendo's position on the next-gen consoles is, as it's not even competing with Microsoft or Sony. The Wii U has the same power as the X360 / PS3, only it's a) more expensive, b) has a fraction of the games, c) has a gimmicky controller and d) has poor online functionality.

I bet you've never even tried it and you're just spewing your made-up fanboy information. Even though your fanboy mentality may not want to believe it, the Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 by a long shot last gen, they'll do it again this gen too.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
I bet you've never even tried it and you're just spewing your made-up fanboy information.

No I haven't, nor do I need to. As I stated, it is underpowered and overpriced with a gimmicky controller and poor games support - nothing I said was made up and I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
Even though your fanboy mentality may not want to believe it, the Wii outsold the 360 and PS3 by a long shot last gen, they'll do it again this gen too.

I never disputed the success of the Wii. However, the Wii U has significantly underperformed market expectations and its sales have been lower than even the worst period for the PS3, X360, Wii, Xbox or PS2. Major publishers like EA aren't even developing games for it. It has so far been a disaster and the X1 and PS4 are yet to even launch.

Also, how dare you accuse me of being a fanboy. I have no loyalty to ANY console / manufacturer, having never owned one and having no desire to do so. Therefore when I criticise the Wii U it's not because I'm trying to defend Microsoft or Sony - it's because the Wii U is worthy of criticism. Your vitriolic attack was completely unwarranted and demonstrates that you cannot be objective about this matter.

gimmicky controller

Completely subjective.
poor games support

The console has only been out for a few months. Wait until the heavy hitters start being released.
No I haven't, nor do I need to

lol? Yes, you do need to, to form an actual opinion on the matter.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
Completely subjective.

But not "made-up", as you claimed. As I expected, you have tried to change the subject rather than accept that you were wrong.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
The console has only been out for a few months. Wait until the heavy hitters start being released.

The original Wii was a huge success from launch, while the Wii U has performed worse than than any recent console in their entire lifecycle. Nintendo has slashed the price of the Wii U several times and it has done little to improve sales. And as I pointed out, the X1 and PS4 aren't even out yet - they're the real competition, along with the already well-selling X360 and PS3. The Wii U is an overpriced current-gen console with a limited games catalogue. It was designed to appeal to casual gamers rather than core gamers but they simply aren't interested.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
lol? Yes, you do need to, to form an actual opinion on the matter.

What utter nonsense. I don't need to eat at McDonald's to comment on its business model or consumer appeal or own a house to comment on its construction and market value, just like I don't need to own a Wii U to criticise Nintendo's business model. The Wii U is a failure at a business level - it has weak specs (not in dispute), it has poor game support (not in dispute), it is overpriced in comparison to the competition (not in dispute) and it has incredibly limited storage for a modern console (not in dispute). My claims relate to the technical specs and market performance, not subjective matters like enjoyability or "wow factor" (which would depend on having used the console).

But not "made-up", as you claimed. As I expected, you have tried to change the subject rather than accept that you were wrong.

Except I wasn't wrong. Try again.
The original Wii was a huge success from launch, while the Wii U has performed worse than than any recent console in their entire lifecycle. Nintendo has slashed the price of the Wii U several times and it has done little to improve sales. And as I pointed out, the X1 and PS4 aren't even out yet - they're the real competition, along with the already well-selling X360 and PS3. The Wii U is an overpriced current-gen console with a limited games catalogue.

Already addressed this point. Read:
The console has only been out for a few months. Wait until the heavy hitters start being released.

It was designed to appeal to casual gamers rather than core gamers but they simply aren't interested.

Actually, they are going to have releases which are aimed for "core gamers". Do some research.
What utter nonsense. I don't need to eat at McDonald's to comment on its business model or consumer appeal or own a house to comment on its construction and market value, just like I don't need to own a Wii U to criticise Nintendo's business model.

Terrible, terrible analogies.
The Wii U is a failure at a business level - it has weak specs (not in dispute),

The Wii had lower specs than the competition too, and as you know, the Wii blew away the competition. So what's your point?
it is overpriced in comparison to the competition (not in dispute)

Still cheaper than the next-gen consoles to be released soon, yet more expensive than current (older) generation. Did you expect it to be cheaper than current-gen?
incredibly limited storage for a modern console (not in dispute).

External HDs up to 2TB can be used.
My claims relate to the technical specs and market performance, not subjective matters like enjoyability or "wow factor" (which would depend on having used the console).

Remember when you said this?
has a gimmicky controller

Not a technical or market point, "gimmicky" is subjective.

Here is the thing, it doesn't matter if it is Sony or Nintendo, they will both disagree with Microsoft. They are using this as leverage to gain on Microsoft even though they know that publishers are having issues with second hand games. It is just up to the publishers now if they want to create their own DRM.

Windows 8 and now this. And to think I was once a Microsoft evangelist. I hope Microsoft gets the beating of a lifetime for their arrogance.

thenonhacker said,
I want Sony Music and Sony Pictures to follow Sony Playstation's DRM-free stance.

Then we'll talk.

Amen, brother. Amen!

pmdci said,
Windows 8 and now this. And to think I was once a Microsoft evangelist. I hope Microsoft gets the beating of a lifetime for their arrogance.

And by the way, no rape joke intended in my previous comment.

Everyone is jumping on the "we don't do DRM" bandwagon. You'd think MS would have had some kind of rebuttal ready for all of this. They need to drive home the pros of their system but it's all hop on pop right now. I guess they'll wait till the dust settles a little? They need to hurry it up.

Except Nintendo's digital download DRM is even worse. Their stuff is locked to your HARDWARE, not to your account. I don't see how that's consumer friendly at all.

I think people assuming the Xbox One hate is manufactured are making a serious error in judgement. I'm what most would consider an older gamer, 40 and married. I've always been an xbox guy but I am not obsessed with any company. I don't care about the kinect always on thing at all. I don't like the DRM but I could get over it. And I don't like the internet-checkin thing, but I could get over it. The price really stings, but I could get over it. But you put all these things together? It makes for a bunch of bad choices from microsoft that cost you more money. And there's no real exclusives that I thought looked awesome. Lately, halo games have been meh so there's not even that. I liked the xbox, and I want to keep liking them. So I'm just slightly upset that Microsoft would do such stupid things. In the end, I won't buy either at launch. I'll wait and see which console looks best after actually coming out.

I don't think MS can win, if they remove some of the DRM then the next thing will be to make kinect optional wah wah wah, if you are that upset dont buy the console, move on.

MS market research indicates that the majority of consumers don't pay attention and care about this stuff, so the only way its going to change is if the sales figures turn out to be lower than already anticipated (due to pricing and taking into account some advsersity to kinect etc).

Also keep in mind that hardware isn't where the profits are in the console industry so it may take even more than lowered unit sales to change the policy.

Osiris said,
I don't think MS can win, if they remove some of the DRM then the next thing will be to make kinect optional wah wah wah, if you are that upset dont buy the console, move on.

You're right - at this stage almost nothing will help. As for the tin-foil hat arguments over having to have a piece of the console (that's now integral to it's design) plugged in being OMG MS is watchin' me bro' I can't make any sense of that sort of thinking at all. To me i'm seriously glad kinect is 'just there' because otherwise it'll be marginalised by developers (just like Sony's eye will). Integrating it makes so much sense! Now excuse me whilst I go unplug my webcams - i'm pretty sure space men are watching me.

Osiris said,
I don't think MS can win, if they remove some of the DRM then the next thing will be to make kinect optional wah wah wah, if you are that upset dont buy the console, move on.

MS market research indicates that the majority of consumers don't pay attention and care about this stuff, so the only way its going to change is if the sales figures turn out to be lower than already anticipated (due to pricing and taking into account some advsersity to kinect etc).

Also keep in mind that hardware isn't where the profits are in the console industry so it may take even more than lowered unit sales to change the policy.

most people in the U.S don't even care that they can be wiretapped and spied on,in fact they encourage it. This tells us all this "internet rage" is manufactured because people have twitter accounts and facebook profiles where they can write stuff.

dangel said,

You're right - at this stage almost nothing will help. As for the tin-foil hat arguments over having to have a piece of the console (that's now integral to it's design) plugged in being OMG MS is watchin' me bro' I can't make any sense of that sort of thinking at all. To me i'm seriously glad kinect is 'just there' because otherwise it'll be marginalised by developers (just like Sony's eye will). Integrating it makes so much sense! Now excuse me whilst I go unplug my webcams - i'm pretty sure space men are watching me.

Exactly, peoples current argument is that the kinect is useless and nothing good has been made for it...debatable but fair enough and the reason is simply that developers can't spend money building a cool game for a niche accessory...if youa re going to make a game you generally want it to have as wide an audience as possible (unless you get a sweet exclusivity deal), so limiting yourself to Xbox then a smaller market of a niche accessory would be ridiculous.

With this version developers know its going to be there on every xbox so they can devote the resources to develop and incorporate it just like they would with the assumption that you have a controller connected.

Theres no reason the next resident evil game couldnt be published for PS4+XB1 with the xbox 1 having kinect voice commands or maybe the kinect monitors your heart rate and changes dynamic events to occur when you least expect it. Or alternatively who knows what games were are going to get now that the kinect is vastly more powerful, better FOV etc.

You're right about most consumers not caring, knowing or understanding.

The people complaining are people that probably wouldn't have bought it anyways. "I don't need all the TV stuff" blah blah blah.

Not too worried about MS recovering from this. People just like to bitch bitch bitch.

vcfan said,

most people in the U.S don't even care that they can be wiretapped and spied on,in fact they encourage it. This tells us all this "internet rage" is manufactured because people have twitter accounts and facebook profiles where they can write stuff.


Change "care" with "realize" and you might be right....

Fritzly said,

Change "care" with "realize" and you might be right....

No, most people actually don't care, even if they realize it.

Dude, this PRISM project has been known for many, many years. Has been debated before, in the news before. And noone ever cared. Until recently.... somehow, probably because Obama was already in discredit and they (media and such) used their ace, the spying.

Osiris said,
Exactly, peoples current argument is that the kinect is useless and nothing good has been made for it...debatable but fair enough and the reason is simply that developers can't spend money building a cool game for a niche accessory...if youa re going to make a game you generally want it to have as wide an audience as possible (unless you get a sweet exclusivity deal), so limiting yourself to Xbox then a smaller market of a niche accessory would be ridiculous.

That STILL begs the question as to why Kinect will get traction? As a game company, why would I worry about a feature on X1 that won't be included on my PS4/WiiU/PC/DS/etc ports?

Sure, you'll have it on all X1's... but it seems games are going to be easier to make for atleast P4/X1/PC (Similar base). Kinect? Why make something for a game that'll be used on a minority of systems when that time.

Sure there might be SOME X1 only games that use it in novel ways, but I still don't see it being anything major.

vcfan said,

The devil is always in the details:
"We should note that this question specifically referred to the NSA's phone tapping operation, rather than the all pervasive PRISM program that tracks online activity."
Besides I am curious to see what the public opinion attitude when, if ever, the other 39 slides about NSA activities will be published....

wernercd said,
Sure there might be SOME X1 only games that use it in novel ways, but I still don't see it being anything major.

Even as an additional accessory on the 360 it had support - as a 'built in' one it will get much more support this time round. An entire platform 'x1' is greater than 'some 360 users'. I'll take that bet with you if you like..

I'm really hoping MS comes to the conclusion that they must make tweaks to their policies and make proper pr statements before launch.

I'm already tired of the endless drm arguments. There are great games to play, on both consoles. The X1 has a great launch lineup, its sad to see that overshadowed.

trooper11 said,
I'm really hoping MS comes to the conclusion that they must make tweaks to their policies and make proper pr statements before launch.

I don't want, I want them to fail.

if they fix the problems why would you want them to fail? I would much prefer two strong consoles in the market with a strong game library.

trooper11 said,
if they fix the problems why would you want them to fail? I would much prefer two strong consoles in the market with a strong game library.

..because console choice is a religious one probably. Lord (heh) save us from those who think buying a product is like joining a cult. Sometimes I think about buying both the PS4 and X1 just to become the ultimate heretic

bigmehdi said,

I don't want, I want them to fail.

Microsoft failing would hurt competition in the industry, which is perhaps just as bad as any DRM they have.

especially considering you can apparently use your phone for the 24 hour check in if your internet is out. I mean anyone with an Xbox has got to have an edge powered phone at a minimum...

People will get over this. Its a just a matter of time. Its not like M$ is going to lose a lot of money on this. The cheap asses who buy used games and consoles do not contribute to any revenue they get unless they buy a gold account or some DLC. So M$ is not losing money here.

Anthony Tosie said,

Microsoft failing would hurt competition in the industry, which is perhaps just as bad as any DRM they have.

This, Even though I've been with Sony after moving from Nintendo since the PSX.
I surely do not want Sony to be the only giant. Nintendo stept out of the 'hardcore' gamers market several generations ago, and Playstation is not in the hands of Ken anymore, so i'm afraid if Sony feels its strong enough, it will start showing typical Sony traits (like DRM and such). It already shows on Sony published games after Ken's resign.

Gotenks98 said,
People will get over this. Its a just a matter of time. Its not like M$ is going to lose a lot of money on this. The cheap asses who buy used games and consoles do not contribute to any revenue they get unless they buy a gold account or some DLC. So M$ is not losing money here.

Stop with the childish 'M$' already. Despite your good point, using 'M$' cheapens your opinion and makes you less credible.

TCLN Ryster said,

Stop with the childish 'M$' already. Despite your good point, using 'M$' cheapens your opinion and makes you less credible.


Whatever, the M$ is just short hand for Microsoft, every geek knows this.

Gotenks98 said,

Whatever, the M$ is just short hand for Microsoft, every geek knows this.

..except it's actually three key presses versus MS - so longer shorthand?

Doh.

link8506 said,

they're about as honest as Sony about their "hate" of DRMs:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/...rm-is-a-baffling-throwback/


Sony Music and other Sony divisions are very supportive of DRM, makes sense considering their respective markets.

Sony Playstation however, has always been very supportive of DRM free. Stop making this mistake please.

PSX could legally be 'modded' in stores that sold PSX's, to support international region games, and pirated games (mostly used for piracy).
The PS2 could legally be modded in stores untill a month or 2 after release. When under pressure from publishers, they made it 'illegal'.
The PS3 has an attempt on keeping it all region free. And most games (just a few are not) are region free on the PS3.
Sony continues this with the PS4 and all of a suddent people bitch and moan about it.

From the 3-4 (including Sega in PSX days) console giants, Sony has always been most supportive of region free consoles.

So please stop spreading FUD and compare the superrestrictive (apple-like) Nintendo with Sony.

Shadowzz said,

Sony Music and other Sony divisions are very supportive of DRM, makes sense considering their respective markets.

Sony Playstation however, has always been very supportive of DRM free. Stop making this mistake please.

Sony is... still Sony. Rootkits, Other OS, etc. Sony PS doesn't get a pass because it's less evil than the rest of the company.

Yeah, Nintendo's open policies are also the reason there is also already a part of the console emulated and fully functional on the PC right now (Dolphin). It will be completely hacked soon enough and then the support will dry up even faster than it is now.
Sorry Nintendo, I loved you as a child, but don't comment on things you don't entirely understand and your own account policy is as restrictive as it gets on WiiU.
Steam said they said they would unlock everything if anything would ever happen to them that they couldn't sustain the platform anymore and Phil Spencer made comments today indicating the same thing.
Trying to ride that same PR wave when the WiiU isn't up to snuff in that same department is just sad.

The GamePad and parts of the GPGPU that run the connection on multiple screens.
No PC will be fast enough to emulate it at full speed for a while, but the omission from Nintendo to secure these protocols is quite strange.

The features won't be implemented until the next major version. There was an article about it on Eurogamer a while ago. Here is a video demonstration of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCW9dlCkOgA