No Siri for old iPhone users

Apple has confirmed that Siri won't be coming to any devices other than the iPhone 4S for the time being. This information comes from an e-mail sent to a customer who had suggested that Apple make Siri available as a paid upgrade for users of the iPhone 4 and the 4th generation iPod touch.

Apple response is below:

 

Still, Siri has been demonstrated on older jailbroken iPhones. The software, which uses vocal input to answer questions and perform tasks, appeared quite snappy even on the aging iPhone 3GS. Siri's exclusivity probably has more to do with it being one of the 'killer apps' driving 4S sales rather than any performance issues.

Even though some jailbreakers have gotten the software up and running on their devices, since Siri requires access to Apple's servers to function, they will likely be able to block access from older devices.

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I wish I actually cared about having this "Siri" on my work iphone, but its totally pointless when you have a thick scots accent like myself )

Does this news actually surprise anyone that apple would backport soemthing from their new n shiny flagship to the old and defunct models? Errrrr no doesnt fit into their hyperbole/marketing strategy.

News Flash. Apple isn't control of ****. The developers at XDA have ported it to all devices. Lol silly iSheep.

Aint this typical? Apple has always done this with the iphone, to the point where the original one never supported MMS or video recording. I guess they have finally hit a nerver if these many people want siri on older phones.

Whats really sad now is a lot of people will upgraded to 4s just to get Siri...whether that was Apples intention or not.

Before Apple bought it, Siri used to be an app that was available on the app store for 3GS and 4 owners but Apple blocked it so even people that have paid for it legally cannot use it anymore either. The novelty will wear off so I don't feel I'm missing anything but it would be nice to play with it a bit on my 4 - I even have the app installed but of course there's no server connection so it's useless.

I don't mind upgrading devices to get newer/improved hardware but I'm struggling to think of another device where certain software is limited to one particular model - Can anyone think of any other companies that have done something like this??

hektik said,
Before Apple bought it, Siri used to be an app that was available on the app store for 3GS and 4 owners but Apple blocked it so even people that have paid for it legally cannot use it anymore either. The novelty will wear off so I don't feel I'm missing anything but it would be nice to play with it a bit on my 4 - I even have the app installed but of course there's no server connection so it's useless.

I don't mind upgrading devices to get newer/improved hardware but I'm struggling to think of another device where certain software is limited to one particular model - Can anyone think of any other companies that have done something like this??

If this is a sincere question... Yes. Otherwise, good one.

FRAGMENTATION!

I wonder if they will enable it towards the summer of next year. And why isn't it on the iPad 2? The specs are not the much different than the iPhone 4S. This is just Apples way of trying to bleed money from their customers,

UndergroundWire said,
FRAGMENTATION!

I wonder if they will enable it towards the summer of next year. And why isn't it on the iPad 2? The specs are not the much different than the iPhone 4S. This is just Apples way of trying to bleed money from their customers,

My fragmentation beats your fragmentation!

Dinggus said,

Siri is in Cydia?

It could end up in Cydia one day, but the hack that Troughton-Smith worked on won't be released via him. Siri is Apple owned, so it's piracy.


Mark: Do you ever see Siri showing up in Cydia (or another jailbreak store) for non natively supported devices?

Steven: No, I could not be a part of that. I have no doubts that others will package this up and distribute it quasi-illegally, or try and sell it to people. I am only interested in the technology and making it work; proving that it works and works well on the iPhone 4 and other devices.

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/29/...i-showdown-video-interview/

Fulcrum said,
Thus begins fragmentation on iOS.

How so? iOS has basically one current version, and Apple supports the legacy version for a certain amount of time, basically like they would a desktop OS. Android has *hundreds* of different types of hardware and OS variants.

Fulcrum said,
Thus begins fragmentation on iOS.

Fragmentation is what causes developers to pull their hair out because their Apps are not working on specific models or versions of an OS. This is not that.

jingarelho said,
now we have the explanation why the new model is called iPhone 4S, the "S" is for Siri.

No its for Steve, iPhone 4 Steve

jingarelho said,
now we have the explanation why the new model is called iPhone 4S, the "S" is for Siri.

The S is for 'Same'

recursive said,

No its for Steve, iPhone 4 Steve

And here was me thinking it stood for "STUPID" for iph4 to 4s upgraders

Astra.Xtreme said,

No actually they do this for support reasons...
Way to use your brain...

That doesn't really make much sense. What this has to do with support is beyond me. Siri is software, nothing more nothing less.

The iPhone 4S really is just a hardware upgrade of the iPhone 4.

Noveed said,
Typical apple BS to make users buy the 4S.

Do HTC or Samsung backport every new feature to all of their older phones? Why hold Apple to a higher standard?

roadwarrior said,

Do HTC or Samsung backport every new feature to all of their older phones? Why hold Apple to a higher standard?

There is no 'backporting' involved. The application is artificially blocked from being installed on hardware that is capable of supporting it.

tbcarey said,

There is no 'backporting' involved. The application is artificially blocked from being installed on hardware that is capable of supporting it.

But as roadwarrior said, so do other manufacturers so why should Apple be any different?

tbcarey said,

There is no 'backporting' involved. The application is artificially blocked from being installed on hardware that is capable of supporting it.

Sort of like how Microsoft won't port Live Mesh or IE9 to XP?

Shadrack said,
How are they making anybody buy anything exactly?

When Microsoft announces they will port features to older versions of Windows, it is because they know people will not buy the new version.
When Microsoft announces they will not port features to older versions of Windows, it is because they are forcing people to pay the Microsoft tax.

When Apple doesn't port software to older versions of hardware, you are not being forced to buy it, but you are stupid for not wanting to give Appple more of your money for this wonderful invention that will change the lives of all people for the better by bringing unicorns and rainbows into people's lives.

jackrabbit770 said,

Sort of like how Microsoft won't port Live Mesh or IE9 to XP?

But IE9 didn't actually ever exist for Windows XP. Siri existed long before iProne 4S was released. And Apple actually revoked the app from people who had it installed on older devices (Yes, it supported almost all iOS devices). There is no porting involved, just Apple being their usual asshats. I love how the iRDF has somehow magically made everyone forget this.

nohone said,

When Microsoft announces they will port features to older versions of Windows, it is because they know people will not buy the new version.
When Microsoft announces they will not port features to older versions of Windows, it is because they are forcing people to pay the Microsoft tax.

How is Microsoft forcing anyone to pay anything again?

When Apple doesn't port software to older versions of hardware, you are not being forced to buy it, but you are stupid for not wanting to give Appple more of your money for this wonderful invention that will change the lives of all people for the better by bringing unicorns and rainbows into people's lives.

How was my life terrible before Siri and why am I being forced to buy it again? I'm having a hard time following your argument that the money is being forced from my wallet.

SK[ said,]

That doesn't really make much sense. What this has to do with support is beyond me. Siri is software, nothing more nothing less.

The iPhone 4S really is just a hardware upgrade of the iPhone 4.

Well clearly you don't know the background on how they "hacked" Siri to make it work on older phones... Do your research before you make claims.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Why do you suppose iOS 5 wasn't compatible with older iDevices? Hmm maybe because it would run like crap on old hardware. Gee and I wonder if there is some similarity between these cases...

I'm sure the last thing Apple wants is a bunch of people complaining when features don't run smooth and perfect on their old phones... It's common sense actually.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Well clearly you don't know the background on how they "hacked" Siri to make it work on older phones... Do your research before you make claims.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Why do you suppose iOS 5 wasn't compatible with older iDevices? Hmm maybe because it would run like crap on old hardware. Gee and I wonder if there is some similarity between these cases...

I'm sure the last thing Apple wants is a bunch of people complaining when features don't run smooth and perfect on their old phones... It's common sense actually.

Siri already ran on older devices before Apple bought the company that made the App.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Well clearly you don't know the background on how they "hacked" Siri to make it work on older phones... Do your research before you make claims.
Here, I'll make it easy for you. Why do you suppose iOS 5 wasn't compatible with older iDevices? Hmm maybe because it would run like crap on old hardware. Gee and I wonder if there is some similarity between these cases...

I'm sure the last thing Apple wants is a bunch of people complaining when features don't run smooth and perfect on their old phones... It's common sense actually.


Oh come one really.
I'm an Apple fan and "even" I see that Siri is not much of a performance hog, not even remotely.
Well, to be honest: It is, but not for your phone. (hint hint hint)

GS:mac

jackrabbit770 said,

ZOMG APPLE SUCKS APPLE IS EVIL!

ZOMG M$ needs to port libraries to fix my Vista's and yes I have a iPhone 4...

RangerLG said,

Siri already ran on older devices before Apple bought the company that made the App.

+1000 The app is available to anyone, Apple can see how everyone likes it, Apple buys the company, Apple blocks everyone from using it, Apple only lets people who buy a new phone have it

real nice....

RangerLG said,

Siri already ran on older devices before Apple bought the company that made the App.

I don't think that version would set appointments for you if you asked it to.

roadwarrior said,

Do HTC or Samsung backport every new feature to all of their older phones? Why hold Apple to a higher standard?

No, this is something that was already available for the iPhone 4 being taken away. Let's say Samsung had an app called Samsung Snacks for the Samsung Galaxy S2. When the Galaxy S3 comes out, I'm sure Samsung would catch hell if they took the Samsung Snacks app away from S2 users saying they need to buy a S3 to use it.

RangerLG said,

Siri already ran on older devices before Apple bought the company that made the App.

Maybe in it's previous form, but it ran like crap in it's current form. A video driver had to be hacked in order for it to be usable.

And Apple isn't interested in releasing "hacks" to people in order for it to work. That's a recipe for disaster.

Astra.Xtreme said,

Maybe in it's previous form, but it ran like crap in it's current form. A video driver had to be hacked in order for it to be usable.

And Apple isn't interested in releasing "hacks" to people in order for it to work. That's a recipe for disaster.

This isn't true. Siri works like clockwork on any recent-gen devices including iPhone 4, 3GS and the latest iPod Touch - so no, unfortunately it is just an artificial barrier.

Shadrack said,

How is Microsoft forcing anyone to pay anything again?

How was my life terrible before Siri and why am I being forced to buy it again? I'm having a hard time following your argument that the money is being forced from my wallet.

MS doesn't force anyone to buy anything. That was just the party line from their detractors over the years. It was claimed that you had to upgrade, and be forced to pay the MS tax, otherwise you would not be able to run the latest version of MS software. But when some features were ported to an older version of the OS (from Vista to XP or W7 to Vista or XP), it was claimed that MS was doing it only because it was such a horrible version of the OS that they had to do it.

But you listen to the Apple faithful talking about Siri now, it is the bestest thing ever, and people will be falling all over themselves to give Apple their money. WHen really all Siri is, is a speech recognizer that works with a search engine.

Noveed said,
Typical apple BS to make users buy the 4S.

Yes, if the current version of iOS is supported on the device, so should Siri. I would be upset if I were an iPhone user too. There's no reason it shouldn't be supported other than to pump up sales.

JWharmsby said,

This isn't true. Siri works like clockwork on any recent-gen devices including iPhone 4, 3GS and the latest iPod Touch - so no, unfortunately it is just an artificial barrier.

Maybe you should try reading my post before you reply...
People HACKED the video drivers to get it to work. Enough said...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Maybe you should try reading my post before you reply...
People HACKED the video drivers to get it to work. Enough said...


WOW...
Well, must be hard for the source code holder to accomplish a compile and run on another of their products that has the same OS and frameworks provided...
NOT.

If a hacker can load it up on an older device with the same user experience it's not witchcraft for Apple to get that done on older devices.
Really, come on. Start thinking.

Glassed Silver:mac