Nokia claims virtually all Apple devices violate its patents

Nokia began a legal fight with Apple in October this year when they announced their plans to sue Apple over the iPhone.

Today Nokia filed a complaint with the International Trade Commission (ITC) saying almost all of the company's products violate its patents not just the Apple iPhone. According to Reuters, Nokia believes Apple's iPhone, iPods and computers all violate its intellectual property rights.

Nokia, the world's giant in the manufacturing of mobile phone technology, sued Apple in October for infringing patents on mobile phone technology used in the iPhone. According to Nokia the patent breach applied to all iPhones since its launch in 2007. Nokia accused Apple of "trying to get a free ride on the back of Nokia's innovation". These alleged infringements, of which there were ten- involved wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption. Nokia have said that they hold agreements with roughly forty firms who use the technology which Nokia has worked hard to develop, including most mobile phone handset makers - allowing them to use the firm's technology. Apple however, have not signed any such agreement with Nokia and as such find themselves in this situation.

The ITC is expected to make a decision on whether to pursue the case by the end of January.

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@evo_spook - are you from Apple's PR department? 25% of all comments on this page up to this point are by you, and you seem to go out of your way to defend Apple. I can't see why anyone would care that much.

On topic, this article just states what Nokia claims, it doesn't give Apple's side of the story. I don't see why so many people automatically assume that Apple is at fault.

Maybe you are both happy with the constant bashing by little kiddies who act like windows and apple are football teams


The things is, if this was windows, everyone on here would be defending them and that would be OK, but this isn't because it is Apple?

Its ok to go out of the way to defend Windows but not Apple without being called up on it and slagged off in countless posts by peoples who can be summed up by:


Apple Sucks LOL +1


Give me a break.

evo_spook said,
Maybe you are both happy with the constant bashing by little kiddies who act like windows and apple are football teams


The things is, if this was windows, everyone on here would be defending them and that would be OK, but this isn't because it is Apple?

Its ok to go out of the way to defend Windows but not Apple without being called up on it and slagged off in countless posts by peoples who can be summed up by:


Apple Sucks LOL +1


Give me a break.

And....what exactly are you doing different?

LiquidSolstice said,

And....what exactly are you doing different?


Tell me where I slagged off Windows?


Tell me where I slagged off Nokia?


Most of the people here are not interested in the story, they are here to bash apple (plus anyone who defends them) the story doesn't matter.

evo_spook said,


Tell me where I slagged off Windows?


Tell me where I slagged off Nokia?


Most of the people here are not interested in the story, they are here to bash apple (plus anyone who defends them) the story doesn't matter.

You seem to be incapable of admitting that Apple *might* have possibly done anything remotely wrong, and by so doing, what was the phrase you used? Oh yeah, destroying any "cred" you have.

At least I have the cajones to admit that Microsoft and Nokia are not picture perfect, and can name instances of shady deals or stupidty in both cases.

You're still too immature and hopelessly obsessed with Apple to even imagine that you're oh-so-perfect "Think Different" company is the zenith of ethics and has never done anything wrong, is not doing anything wrong, and will never do anything wrong.

It's really pointless talking to you, you get way too defensive.

Hopefully apple get it stuck to them. Losing battle if you guy up against or violate licensed stuff from Nokia Siemens or the likes of Alcatel and stuff in relation to phone technology. Apple will hopefully realise then they didn't invent the smartphone.

Can't understand why people are picking sides in this. If there were some facts on the table, sure. But there aren't. Just 2 greedy companies fighting a court case that will probably be settled outside for an undisclosed amount, unless Nokia is wrong in which case Apple wins.

Post of the year I think, so much comments so quick!!!!

I wonder when companies are going to sue Apple for there what, iSlate? or the most successful tablet just because they don't try hard enough?

but anyway, I hope Nokia wins it.

Nokia makes great phones. Look, the N97 is a very good phone, but Nokia was caught offguard by the price competition. Too expensive.

Apple IPhone is a great handheld computer at a good reduced price, but it is a very lousy phone. I don't know how many times iPhone dropped calls and hung when u press the numbers, and has the lousy voice quality.

The problem is that touch screen caught on. People suddenly like to use 2 hands to hold a phone to type something. I can't understand it. With a keypad, you can feel the keys and can use 1 hand to type, but this touchscreen **** really amuses me. I hope it's just a fad.

The phone is great if the network doesn't drop calls. Voice quality is good, imo, as well. Maybe not as good as Nokia would do, but around here, Nokia phones are few and far between.

Firstly all you saying this is a money grab from nokia think again.
Nokia total Revenue for was 50.72 billion euros so like 60 billion us
Apples 2008 revenue was 32.billion us.

So apple which sells Computers,monitors,software,mice,keyboard , phones makes 32 billion total iphone probably makes up 10-20% of this figure. so lets be generous and say 6billion.

compare this with nokia 99.9% of thier revune is from telecommunication equipment.

Also many of you american posters need to remember USA is only about 300million poulation, there is 5.7 BILLION other people on this planet, so what you see in your neighbourhood represents 5% of the world, Nokia is doing ok in the rest of the world.

Secondly since all nokia does is telcommunication i would be surprised if apple hasnt infringed on a patent, a company with 60billion dollar revenue has a few patents up its sleeves to get that kind of market share cause other companies pay them to use the technology!

I hope apple loses. their products in general although nice looking lack lots of functionality and are way overpriced across the board of all their products.
I remember a while back one of my freinds iphone lacked some mms and email and other office type things anywyas he ended up gettign a proper phone liek the black berry.

hal90001 said,
This is what happens when you CAN'T compete with your product line, you litigate, NOKIA are such desperate losers!


i dont see how they arnt competing when they have the biggest marketshare

The interesting thing is when people started defending apple people claim bias and 'fanboyism'

Im a PC fanboy... up until recently i hated everything Apple released, did or tried to do. I disliked it more then anything. Now i share between the two because both sides have merits.

This is turning into a PC vs Mac debate which it's not meant to. Whether Nokia started this before the iPhone release (how many years ago now?) the reality is the iPhone is hugely successful. And despite Nokias market penetration (even here in Australia) Apple sells their phones at a price that equals multiple Nokia phones, so of course Nokia is most definately going to enjoy the idea of attacking Apple. Apple is taking away their market share. Nokia's market is the phone business, and apple has come along and said you are doing this wrong, and so far the market is agreeing.

Of course Nokia is going to look like they are suffering sour grapes. Because even if they do have legal grounds on this, i'm sure they do infact feel jealous of Apples success. Who wouldn't be.

The patent argument will come to whether or not Apple actually used idea which conflict with the patent. And with the current very open and loose patent laws, i have no doubt they will have.

The question also of whether Apples whole product line violates it's patents? If so, then perhaps so do PC Manufacturers. Cause let's face it, a Mac is a PC with Mac OSX on it. So unless they're taking on the operating system, they need to be less broad in their attacks then their patents appear to be and do not just look at Apple. It only makes the perception of jealousy worse.

No, this actually isn't truning into a PC vs Mac debate, evo_spook just got overwhelmed that people were calling him out on a lot of the stuff he believes, and therefore he's crying out that everyone is hating on him in the same way it happens with 'Microsoft'. Pretty pathetic.

What get me is the point that they were in discussions, this shows that Apple was aware of the situation.

legally they are bound to doing 2 things.

1-walk away and not use the IP (or whatever)
2-find an alternative solution

Since Apple walked away from the table and still used the IP (or whatever), they are and did know they are breaking the rules. Deciding its costs to much (or they wanted it cheaper) so they can use it anyway without paying isn't there decision to make.

If anyone else had done the same to Apple I am sure they would have done the exact same thing, but the overall outcome will be Apple losing, they made the decision to use something they knew they had to pay for. It doesnt matter on the cost or anything else, they used it without consent.

I'm usually against frivolous patent disputes, like the very generic patent of Custom XML that was somewhat conceeded to a company called i4i when XML has became a standard for custom description of data and they are now suing Microsoft's Word for using it. That's ridiculous, if it is a standard you can't patent it. But I digress. I thought Nokia might be suing for some frivolous generic concept that they might have invented in the world of cellphones, but I read that Apple is infriging patents not only on the phone but also on "user interface, camera, antenna and power management technologies" and also "wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption". So, it does not appear to be an isolated case. This is for us all to learn a bit of modesty. No single person or company can claim to be the only source of great innovation; everybody builds upon the existing technologies developed by others.

No ideas are original any more. I hope Nokia wins because this "does" seem like a pretty blatant violation, but we all have to face the fact that every good idea is going to be stolen, modified, and reproduced by somebody else, if not now then in the future, and a lot of times not even intentionally.

GO nokia you blast them with that anti reality distortion ray zzzzt zzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaat take that jobs

now back to reality it'll be interesting to see where this leads if it makes it to court

oh and I'm a PC actually strike that im an home built personal office photo video audio manipulation and games machine there that sounds better :P

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