Nokia may have only sold 330k phones in the US [Update]

A new report is saying that Nokia's Lumia family of devices sold only 330k devices in the US. If true, this is a devastating blow to Nokia and Microsoft as the Lumia 900 and 710 were expected to be a domianting force in the mobile market but so far have done little to to improve the marketshare for the platform.

Even more worrying is that Nokia is in need of a blockbuster device after the company bet the farm on Windows Phone and if sales continue to be weak, the company could run out of cash before it is able to turn the ship around. 

Asymco assembled its calculation based on Nielsen and comScore which says that there are 110 million smartphone users and of which, 1.3% is owned by Windows Phone. From that percentage Nielsen gives Nokia .3% of the 1.3% marketshare and by working backwards you can quantify 330K devices sold, based on this data.

We need to emphasis that these are not confirmed numbers but are based on market data that is independently compiled. But both data sources, Nielsen and comScore, are close enough that the margin of error would be within reason to allow you to conclude that the above numbers likely reflect actual market conditions.

In our interview with Nokia, the company promised exciting new devices coming this Fall and next Spring, let's hope they arrive in time and drive the momentum Nokia and Microsoft need to claw back in to this market. Update: Nielsen said it does not support this method of determining sales, take the information with a grain of salt.

Source: Asymco.com

Update: Nielsen has spoken up on how its figures have been used, saying it does not support multiplying its numbers with those of Comscore, as they measure subtly different elements of the market. They added that they therefore "do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate".

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and lets face the facts too with android, not too many oems are making much money from selling the devices other than Samsung. Androids had a good run but as with all races they do come to an end at some point in time.

"Nokia and Microsoft as the Lumia 900 and 710 were expected to be a domianting force in the mobile market but so far have done little to to improve the marketshare for the platform."

heh ..

The market has two players only, and they're the BIG guys on the game.


So who cares if the 300k number is correct or not ? the nokia owners ?? 0_0


Nokia been dead for a while, and it'll just get worst.

And for M$, i can just hit a word: Zune (ya FAIL)

In the end, apple will sell their 30-40 millions on the quarter, and android will keep activing 1+ million per day, so the "rest" dont count.

Ya, i know the truth hurts, but is has to be said !

tester.br said,
"Nokia and Microsoft as the Lumia 900 and 710 were expected to be a domianting force in the mobile market but so far have done little to to improve the marketshare for the platform."

heh ..

The market has two players only, and they're the BIG guys on the game.


So who cares if the 300k number is correct or not ? the nokia owners ?? 0_0


Nokia been dead for a while, and it'll just get worst.

And for M$, i can just hit a word: Zune (ya FAIL)

In the end, apple will sell their 30-40 millions on the quarter, and android will keep activing 1+ million per day, so the "rest" dont count.

Ya, i know the truth hurts, but is has to be said !

you are just plain idiotic. There is no way in hell android can sustain that 1 million per day, they are on top right now until the next thing comes along. Nobody said that the 900 and 710 would be a dominating force anywhere, they were all stop gaps till wp8 arrives and everyone knew that.

Keep playing with your crappy android handset thinking it is a superphone, LOL. You don't know the meaning of a superphone yet. Nokia will be a major player again as they once were long before your crappy android system assimilated and brainwashed people into thinking they had real phones. We will visit this in a years time and see where android sits in marketshare outside of the USA, even Symbian with it dead platform out performs android still in many areas of the world, LOL.

The number of monthly active users of the native Windows Phone Facebook integration has taken another tick up, crossing 1.9 million users today.

It took 20 days since 1.8 million, slightly faster than the 21 day average but slower than the 15 days it took from 1.7-1.8 million, which was likely due to the Nokia Lumia 900 launch.

Using our usual ratio, we now estimate that there are around 12.3 million Windows Phones in use in the wild. This number exclude Chinese Tango phones, which lack Facebook integration.

At current rates it appears around 3.2 million Windows Phones will have been sold in Q2, but of course once again this excludes Chinese Tango phones and does not take into account bumps due to the launch of the Nokia Lumia 610 and potentially Samsung's new lower-end Windows Phones, which may raise this number to slightly above 4 million, for a likely 3% market share.

The vast majority of these 4 million Windows Phones will likely be Nokia Lumia handsets, and it is of note that since the release of the Nokia Lumia 800 in October 2011 the total number of Windows Phones sold have doubled in less than 7 months, after taking a year to reach around 6 million before this.

this does not include June and July and is until the end of May, so I think it would be safe to say that this number os 330k will be a bit low.

how does any of this phone crap ever matter in the slightest ?
It's a retarded joke how fast they pump these stupid things out.
I've got like 5 and i rarely ever upgrade my phone.

the industry needs to do something about that instead creating eWaste
People who line up to buy the newest phones have too much disposable income or something

Pricing is not competitive at all in markets outside of US. It's around the price of a iPhone 4s or a Galaxy S3 or the Note.

Windows Phone 8 devices will have full support for removable storage, so that's where you will get your 64GB. Now that most of the major US carriers will be having wp8 devices especially Verizon I would expect a sharp climb in marketshare next year. You will see many more Windows Phones by all oems at the end of this year and into next year which will also be good. and don't forget of course that these new phones will have the same specs or better tan the other phones on the market, so there goes any advantage android phones had. Apple phones will also up their game but a lot of carriers and oems are starting to get ****ed with them. RIM would have lost its enterprise edge with the release of WP8 also. so all in all I would say next year will be a pretty good year for WP is general.

Couple of points:

1) As an iPhone user I'm waiting for Windows Phone 8 - all the promises in the world regarding supporting Windows Phone 7.x is moot because it'll always have an air of abandonment once Windows Phone 8 is released.

2) Nokia hasn't released it's phones globally - the Nokia 900 still hasn't arrived where I live which is appauling given there are countries bigger than my own that still haven't reveived it yet. Nokia needs to stop sucking up to carriers and launch their products to consumers direct globally on day one then negotiate with carriers afterwards so then there is no momentum lost during the negotiation period. I mean, it took almost 5-6 months for the Nokia 800 to come to where I live - and that isn't say much.

3) Honestly, 16GB of storage - what are we, living in 2005? get with the programme - there needs to be a 64GB model asap.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
Couple of points:

1) As an iPhone user I'm waiting for Windows Phone 8 - all the promises in the world regarding supporting Windows Phone 7.x is moot because it'll always have an air of abandonment once Windows Phone 8 is released.

2) Nokia hasn't released it's phones globally - the Nokia 900 still hasn't arrived where I live which is appauling given there are countries bigger than my own that still haven't reveived it yet. Nokia needs to stop sucking up to carriers and launch their products to consumers direct globally on day one then negotiate with carriers afterwards so then there is no momentum lost during the negotiation period. I mean, it took almost 5-6 months for the Nokia 800 to come to where I live - and that isn't say much.

3) Honestly, 16GB of storage - what are we, living in 2005? get with the programme - there needs to be a 64GB model asap.

I may be incorrect but 8 GB iPhone, is that not the most sold version on AT&T ? I ask because for a lot of people, storage doesn't bother them.

Coming from a guy that needs a minimum of 16 GB storage.

TechJunkie81 said,

I may be incorrect but 8 GB iPhone, is that not the most sold version on AT&T ? I ask because for a lot of people, storage doesn't bother them.

Coming from a guy that needs a minimum of 16 GB storage.

What he means is that people expected Nokia to have something special, not just a nice design with marketing on average internal hardware.

When Microsoft partners with a big name company it seems it usually means a part of that company will die.

Remember when Sega made consoles, then the dreamcast came with Microsoft as a partner. Then Sega goes bankrupt, and we now have xboxes.

I wonder if nokia will no longer make smartphones, but Microsoft ends up with a in house made smartphone. Shocking... /not

margrave said,
When Microsoft partners with a big name company it seems it usually means a part of that company will die.

Remember when Sega made consoles, then the dreamcast came with Microsoft as a partner. Then Sega goes bankrupt, and we now have xboxes.

I wonder if nokia will no longer make smartphones, but Microsoft ends up with a in house made smartphone. Shocking... /not


Not comparable. The dreamcast was dead on arrival because of Ps2'

Those are terrible stats. No wonder Windows Phone just lost some more market share in the latest stats I saw. I have NEVER ever seen someone with a Nokia Lumia phone.

Nokia made a big mistake taking on Windows Phone and this proves it.

Nokia Lumia has been in the top 3 best selling phones at AT&T & T-mobile since launch. The reason you don't see as many is because the phone is only available on 2 carriers for a few months now. If it hits all the major national and regional carriers and continues sales like this in a year they will be ubiquitous like Galaxy phones.

This is straight from the horses mouth. T-mobile wrote this on their blog:

We continue to see strong sales and adoption of the platform with the Nokia Lumia 710 consistently being one of our top five selling smartphones since it launched in January 2012. Not only that but, as expected, we've seen a large number of first-time smartphone users select a Windows Phone as their device of choice with 55% of all upgrades to the Lumia 710 coming from a messaging or feature phone. Best of all, they're loving their new smartphones; in fact, Lumia 710 users have some of the highest handset satisfaction scores among all of our customers.

Lumia 900 the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for April and May:

http://nokiapoweruser.com/2012...r-the-month-of-may-as-well/

Pretty good to have AT&T and T-mobile saying that your Lumia phones are amongst the best sellers on their networks. Now to get ubiquitous, like you want to see they need more carriers and more models.

Edited by Avatar Roku, Jul 15 2012, 12:43am :

Avatar Roku said,
Nokia Lumia has been in the top 3 best selling phones at AT&T & T-mobile since launch. The reason you don't see as many is because the phone is only available on 2 carriers for a few months now. If it hits all the major national and regional carriers and continues sales like this in a year they will be ubiquitous like Galaxy phones.

This is straight from the horses mouth. T-mobile wrote this on their blog:

Lumia 900 the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for April and May:

http://nokiapoweruser.com/2012...r-the-month-of-may-as-well/

Pretty good to have AT&T and T-mobile saying that your Lumia phones are amongst the best sellers on their networks. Now to get ubiquitous, like you want to see they need more carriers and more models.

Its still in the top phones on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sel...rd_r=1QQFSZBBJP7A54XB7PF7#1

derekaw said,
Those are terrible stats. No wonder Windows Phone just lost some more market share in the latest stats I saw. I have NEVER ever seen someone with a Nokia Lumia phone.

Nokia made a big mistake taking on Windows Phone and this proves it.

they would of even had less marketshare if they would have gone with android. Totla wp marketshare will go down slightly until new devices are released later this year on more carriers, there will be more devices released at the same time instead of just one here and one there on 1 carrier her and one carrier there.

It would help if they actually sold windows phones on Verizon, the largest of the US carriers. I know i would have bought one, but there's no windows phones in sight for verizon, so i just bought a Galaxy s3.

Brony said,
tsk tsk, Nokia never was popular inside USA.

Actuallly not popular with the carriers racket; quite different....

Josh_LosAltosHills said,
if that 330 was incorrect I would think Nokia would be shouting from the rooftops the actual number.

It reminds me of the WP7 -> WP8 upgrade rumours. Silence = confirmation. No one wanted to believe it. If Microsoft, Nokia, or AT&T don't come out and dispute this, it effectively confirms it.

simplezz said,

It reminds me of the WP7 -> WP8 upgrade rumours. Silence = confirmation. No one wanted to believe it. If Microsoft, Nokia, or AT&T don't come out and dispute this, it effectively confirms it.

With the WP7 -> WP8 upgrade rumors, they were wrong. WP7 will be upgraded.

With this rumor, the 330,000 number is probably way too low, but the actual numbers probably aren't amazing either.

rfirth said,

With the WP7 -> WP8 upgrade rumors, they were wrong. WP7 will be upgraded.

With this rumor, the 330,000 number is probably way too low, but the actual numbers probably aren't amazing either.

If you run a quick search among Neowin posts you will note that people were stating that WP7 devices were going to be updated to WP8, not "Updated"........
We are not on Capitol Hill.......

It's too expensive, final. If they want to aggressively attack the iPhone and Android, market they need to sell it on the cheap. And certainly now since they announced that those phones will be deprecated in a couple of months when WP8 arrives.

djesteban said,
It's too expensive, final. If they want to aggressively attack the iPhone and Android, market they need to sell it on the cheap. And certainly now since they announced that those phones will be deprecated in a couple of months when WP8 arrives.

How is $99 expensive for a smartphone?

TechJunkie81 said,
After iPhone, the Nokia Lumia 900 was AT&T's best seller. 330k is not the correct number.

Then why doesn't AT&T come out and give us the real sales numbers to disprove it? I keep hearing that the Lumia is on every "Best Selling" list, yet no one can give definitive figures. At least this tries to extrapolate some numbers based on marketshare.

simplezz said,

Then why doesn't AT&T come out and give us the real sales numbers to disprove it? I keep hearing that the Lumia is on every "Best Selling" list, yet no one can give definitive figures. At least this tries to extrapolate some numbers based on marketshare.

If you read the update, even the people who reported the statistics are stating that the math used to calculate 330,000 Nokia phones is wrong

rfirth said,

If you read the update, even the people who reported the statistics are stating that the math used to calculate 330,000 Nokia phones is wrong

I wonder how long will Nielsen need to release "more accurate" figures then........

If MS wants to Up sales they need to release them everywhere. Here in canada theres hardly any windows phones available. But all providers have a buttload of androids. I can't go back to android after using WP so they need to make more phones available.

I don't know what this is about, if you looked on amazon the nokia 900 blue and black for the first 2 to 3 weeks, the 2 phones were 1 & 2 in sales and they are still all 3 including the white 900 sometime in the top 20 but one is usually in the top 10 but the problem I see is out of top 20 phones there might be 3 900's but there are 17 Androids.. they really need to have more choices. Really I think that's how the numbers are killing WP.

Wow, this story was stolen straight from Surur at WMPoweruser http://wmpoweruser.com/nielsen...000-nokia-lumia-900-in-usa/

To make things worse, the information isn't accurate or valid (Surur updated his article)

"Update: Nielsen has contacted us to make it clear they do not support multiplying their numbers with Comscore numbers, saying they measure subtly different elements of the phone market. While the math appear reasonable they therefore do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate."

andrewbares said,
Wow, this story was stolen straight from Surur at WMPoweruser http://wmpoweruser.com/nielsen...000-nokia-lumia-900-in-usa/

To make things worse, the information isn't accurate or valid (Surur updated his article)

"Update: Nielsen has contacted us to make it clear they do not support multiplying their numbers with Comscore numbers, saying they measure subtly different elements of the phone market. While the math appear reasonable they therefore do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate."


Haha check the source for this article, the guy thinks he can copyright a pie chart...

I don't believe it. It's one of the best selling phones at AT&T and T-Mobile, so unless they haven't sold any phones for the past 6 months, then this story isn't true.

siah1214 said,
I don't believe it. It's one of the best selling phones at AT&T and T-Mobile, so unless they haven't sold any phones for the past 6 months, then this story isn't true.

AT&T

siah1214 said,
I don't believe it. It's one of the best selling phones at AT&T and T-Mobile, so unless they haven't sold any phones for the past 6 months, then this story isn't true.

It's nothing to believe. Max amount is 1.300.000 WP phones. So, even if they have sold half of it, or even more, it's still not so impressive.

siah1214 said,
I don't believe it. It's one of the best selling phones at AT&T and T-Mobile, so unless they haven't sold any phones for the past 6 months, then this story isn't true.

What's not to believe? How many of your friends can you honestly say are now holding a Nokia Lumia? Secondly, most of the news claiming they've been selling well is coming from Nokia itself.

superconductive said,

What's not to believe? How many of your friends can you honestly say are now holding a Nokia Lumia? Secondly, most of the news claiming they've been selling well is coming from Nokia itself.


They've been on AT&T, Amazons and T-Mobile's best selling list for a while.

siah1214 said,
I don't believe it. It's one of the best selling phones at AT&T and T-Mobile

And how is "Best Selling" measured? If the Lumia or WP devices were selling in the millions, we'd surely hear about it from Microsoft and Nokia, yet the silence is deafening.

siah1214 said,

so unless they haven't sold any phones for the past 6 months, then this story isn't true.

Do you have some actual sales figures to disprove this, or are you just in disbelief?

And how is "Best Selling" measured? If the Lumia or WP devices were selling in the millions, we'd surely hear about it from Microsoft and Nokia, yet the silence is deafening.

If a phone sells more than others, it goes on the best selling list. So the iPhone (which is first) sells the most, the Lumia (which is second I think) sells more than every other phone below it. Etc etc.

simplezz said,
And how is "Best Selling" measured? If the Lumia or WP devices were selling in the millions, we'd surely hear about it from Microsoft and Nokia, yet the silence is deafening.

Do you have some actual sales figures to disprove this, or are you just in disbelief?

Here you go: Lumia 900 was the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for entire month of April and May

http://nokiapoweruser.com/2012...r-the-month-of-may-as-well/

It was also the 3rd best selling phone on AT&T for the month of June.

And T-Mobile spoke about Lumia 710 sales recently on their blog:

We continue to see strong sales and adoption of the platform with the Nokia Lumia 710 consistently being one of our top five selling smartphones since it launched in January 2012. Not only that but, as expected, we've seen a large number of first-time smartphone users select a Windows Phone as their device of choice with 55% of all upgrades to the Lumia 710 coming from a messaging or feature phone. Best of all, they're loving their new smartphones; in fact, Lumia 710 users have some of the highest handset satisfaction scores among all of our customers.


Nokia Lumia 710 has been the 3rd best seller on T-mobile this year:

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-l...est-seller-in-t-mobile-usa/


Nokia has 2 phones in the US this year and both of them have been in the top 3 best sellers for AT&T and T-mobile since launch. I don't know how you measure success, but that's an incredibly good first effort in my book. Yes Lumia needs to become available on more carriers, but the carriers that have it are obviously getting good sales.

Avatar Roku said,

I don't know how you measure success, but that's an incredibly good first effort in my book. Yes Lumia needs to become available on more carriers, but the carriers that have it are obviously getting good sales.

Not really complicated: If your products sell well you want to announce the actual data everywhere as much as possible.

superconductive said,

What's not to believe? How many of your friends can you honestly say are now holding a Nokia Lumia? Secondly, most of the news claiming they've been selling well is coming from Nokia itself.

I have one and a galaxy note

superconductive said,

What's not to believe? How many of your friends can you honestly say are now holding a Nokia Lumia? Secondly, most of the news claiming they've been selling well is coming from Nokia itself.

I know 3, and i know more with WP7. I know 2 with older iPhones that refuse to upgrade. I also know about 5 with various versions of Android phones. I myself have in my household 2 Wp7, 3 android phones (one behing a HD2), and 2 android tablets. My WP7 is the most reliable as a "phone". My android devices even tho I love them are always getting a play store or some what app has quit responding locking up the whole device until it shows the not responing screen. But my Wp7 even although its a DVP runs like a champ all day long. The only app that I have crash on it IM+ crashes even more on my Android.

Nice phone, but I have yet to see anyone with one. And since they'll be useless in a few months for upgrades nobody is going to buy them.

shockz said,
Nice phone, but I have yet to see anyone with one. And since they'll be useless in a few months for upgrades nobody is going to buy them.

Doesn't bother Android users.

shockz said,
Nice phone, but I have yet to see anyone with one. And since they'll be useless in a few months for upgrades nobody is going to buy them.

Nonsense. WP7 is coming with 7.8 in "a few months" and who knows what else may come after that in way of updates. Not being able to receive WP8 is not the be all and end all. Many of the features in WP8 are being back ported into WP7 and will come in 7.8, such as the new home screen and tile layout options.

TechJunkie81 said,

Doesn't bother Android users.

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

WP7.5? Mango? Mango was a nice update. Even 7.8 will be a nice update.

shockz said,
Nice phone, but I have yet to see anyone with one. And since they'll be useless in a few months for upgrades nobody is going to buy them.

And yet the Lumia 900 outsold every Android phone in the US for the months of April and May and outsold every Android phone except the HTC One X in June. Unless the Lumia is on every carrier big and small it's doubtful that you would see them all over the place. iPhone, Galaxy, and Blackberry phones are hitting almost every single carrier in the US. Lumia is pretty much just on AT&T and kicking butt there, but that's not enough to compete for ubiquity.

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

Android devices get upgrades? I lol'd.

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

try telling that to my friend who has a one year old samsung infuse stuck on 2.2 with samsung offering no upgrade

TCLN Ryster said,

Nonsense. WP7 is coming with 7.8 in "a few months" and who knows what else may come after that in way of updates. Not being able to receive WP8 is not the be all and end all. Many of the features in WP8 are being back ported into WP7 and will come in 7.8, such as the new home screen and tile layout options.

Sure, but with a total rewrite the amount of apps available to all current phones will dwindle quickly. You don't get that on Android.

Javik said,

Sure, but with a total rewrite the amount of apps available to all current phones will dwindle quickly. You don't get that on Android.

The number of apps for WP7 devices won't dwindle. They will continue to increase, although possibly more slowly.

We already have 100,000+ apps. By the time WP8 launches, we'll probably have 125,000+ WP7 apps. Those aren't going anywhere. There is no reason for developers to pull those apps from the marketplace.

What Microsoft does is keep the old 7.8 version for sale, but offers the 8 version to those capable of running it.

This is exactly the same situation for developers as the Mango update. If you wanted to use Mango features, you had to target 7.1 and it would only run on Mango phones. If you updated an app from requiring 7 to 7.1, the old 7 version would still be available to those who hadn't yet upgraded to 7.1. Those with 7.1 were given the later, more updated version of the app that required 7.1.

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

I have an Android 2.6 device. I was promised updates for it from the manufacturer, but never saw them. So where is this full upgrade that you say we get. I doubt I will get a reply from you, but just remember, below you wrote:

the silence is deafening

and then later:

Silence = confirmation.

So if you don't reply with a location where I can download updates from - and not some hacked up ROM that I need to recompile, root my device, etc. etc. but a plug it into a computer, and it updates - then I will assume that what you wrote was a lie, as usual. Because your silence is deafening.

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

you should say SOME android devices get full updates, as the majority of android devices never get an update

TCLN Ryster said,

Nonsense. WP7 is coming with 7.8 in "a few months" and who knows what else may come after that in way of updates.

As a previous owner of a WM device, and a Lumia 900 now, I really do not share your "optimism". Time will tell...........

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

Still waiting. Can't hear you over the silence.

nohone said,

Still waiting. Can't hear you over the silence.


Don't bother, you know people need to be very picky and carefully either exaggerate or ignore things in order to bash MS :\

jasonon said,
try telling that to my friend who has a one year old samsung infuse stuck on 2.2 with samsung offering no upgrade

At least your friend can run new apps, whereas anyone who has bought a WP up to now is screwed

simplezz said,

Except that Android devices get full upgrades, not half-hearted crippled versions a la WP 7.5

tell me about it, I've got a ViewSonic GTab, and if I were still using ViewSonic ROMs I'd be on Froyo...so the best ROM I could find for it was TeamDRHs ICS beta ROM, and now I'm giving up camera, mic, & more just for ICS (and only God knows when I'm going to get JellyBean on this thing). If I were using the viewsonic ROM, I wouldn't have access to over-froyo apps, I wouldn't be able to use pretty much any app in the Android Market since Viewsonic ROMs only come with some crappy gMarket thing, and I wouldn't have the ICS interface or speed. Since I used the ICS ROM, I'm giving up some of the better features of my tablet in exchange for the latest upgrade. Now if I had a Windows Phone, I would get the same WP8 experience & UI, but I would have to give up some apps that probably wouldn't run on my hardware anyway. My camera would still work, my mic wouldn't screw up after a few seconds of using it, and I would still have some feeling that somebody cares about me. I'd rather have a "half-hearted crippled version" over no upgrade (err, sorry, what you call a "full upgrade") ;D

I <3 my "full upgrades" /s

Cøi said,

Don't bother, you know people need to be very picky and carefully either exaggerate or ignore things in order to bash MS :\

I know, just giving him a chance to redeem himself.

Sonne said,

At least your friend can run new apps, whereas anyone who has bought a WP up to now is screwed

I really don't see how all these people says anyone with a wp7x device is now screwed??? devs will still write apps for wp7x cause they will run on both OS's. if the app needs to be written specifically for a feature in wp8 then that app wont work in wp7x. I would think most apps will still be written in 7x as they are automatically ported by MS to work on wp8. doesn't make any sense for a dev to stop writing for 7x.

Vice said,
Dark times ahead for Nokia I think. Elop wants firing.

we all know this is bull**** speculation. And as for Elop, he is the best presentation any company could have and i am sure nokia's Lumia 900 are so much better than this.

Vice said,
Dark times ahead for Nokia I think. Elop wants firing.

I have a feeling he is forever going to be known as the CEO that ran the company in the ground.

superconductive said,

I have a feeling he is forever going to be known as the CEO that ran the company in the ground.

Nokia was already running into the ground before Elop got there.

nickcruz said,

we all know this is bull**** speculation.

And who's fault is that? Microsoft never releases figures. This is the best anyone can do.

nickcruz said,

And as for Elop, he is the best presentation any company could have

You're joking right?? lol. Elop has a new effect named after him. The Elop Effect is now infamous. His "Burning Platform" speech basically killed Symbian, the lifeblood that Nokia was depending on until they could implement another strategy.

nickcruz said,

and i am sure nokia's Lumia 900 are so much better than this.

2009 hardware at 2012 prices? Yeah, no ones falling for that one I'm afraid.

nickcruz said,

we all know this is bull**** speculation. And as for Elop, he is the best presentation any company could have and i am sure nokia's Lumia 900 are so much better than this.

Yeah, it's really a shame that tech sites are so quick to jump on stories that have no factual merit...

simplezz said,

And who's fault is that? Microsoft never releases figures. This is the best anyone can do.
I prefer 2009 hardware with 2009 software that runs better than 2012 software with 2012 hardware.

You're joking right?? lol. Elop has a new effect named after him. The Elop Effect is now infamous. His "Burning Platform" speech basically killed Symbian, the lifeblood that Nokia was depending on until they could implement another strategy.

2009 hardware at 2012 prices? Yeah, no ones falling for that one I'm afraid.

Update: Nielsen has spoken up on how its figures have been used, saying it does not support multiplying its numbers with those of Comscore, as they measure subtly different elements of the market. They added that they therefore "do not feel the 300,000 number is accurate".

So Nielsen is basically now admitting that their numbers are pretty much BS. Sites like Neowin should have been smarter about this instead of running with something that made no sense. If Nokia Lumia 900 has been the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for 2 months, 3rd best selling in June and the Lumia 710 is consistently in the top 5 best selling phones on Tmobile according to Tmobile themselves then it's very doubtful that Nokia only sold 300K phones total. But instead of using some logic we get all of these responses and stupid stories of everyone predicting total failure for Nokia.

Well what do they expect - who's going to buy a phone that is pretty much obsolete when you get it and is not upgradable to the next O/S due out in a month or so?

M_Lyons10 said,

Yeah, it's really a shame that tech sites are so quick to jump on stories that have no factual merit...

No matter what as long as companies do not release actual sales figures these kind of extrapolating analysis is all you have.
In the real World the refusal to release "real" sales data is always a synonymous of poor sales, no matter if it is Nokia or Amazon or any other company.

dvb2000 said,
Well what do they expect - who's going to buy a phone that is pretty much obsolete when you get it and is not upgradable to the next O/S due out in a month or so?

even though consumer interest in that fact is debatable, it's not debatable that the announcement you're talking about was made, what, less than a month ago? This report is talking about since the Lumia release, which was months and months ago.

Avatar Roku said,

So Nielsen is basically now admitting that their numbers are pretty much BS. Sites like Neowin should have been smarter about this instead of running with something that made no sense. If Nokia Lumia 900 has been the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for 2 months, 3rd best selling in June and the Lumia 710 is consistently in the top 5 best selling phones on Tmobile according to Tmobile themselves then it's very doubtful that Nokia only sold 300K phones total. But instead of using some logic we get all of these responses and stupid stories of everyone predicting total failure for Nokia.

Actually what Nielsen stated is that the extrapolation of the Nokia sales number could not be accurate........

Fritzly said,

Actually what Nielsen stated is that the extrapolation of the Nokia sales number could not be accurate........


AKA: we're all good, ComScore's wrong! ;D

Avatar Roku said,

So Nielsen is basically now admitting that their numbers are pretty much BS. Sites like Neowin should have been smarter about this instead of running with something that made no sense. If Nokia Lumia 900 has been the 2nd best selling phone on AT&T for 2 months, 3rd best selling in June and the Lumia 710 is consistently in the top 5 best selling phones on Tmobile according to Tmobile themselves then it's very doubtful that Nokia only sold 300K phones total. But instead of using some logic we get all of these responses and stupid stories of everyone predicting total failure for Nokia.


Nielsen is saying the numbers are not accurate. it could be + or - 100K

simplezz said,

2009 hardware at 2012 prices? Yeah, no ones falling for that one I'm afraid.

Are you so jealous that WP doesn't actually need such hardware? In fact, most Android phones do not exceed the hardware of the Lumia 900 (find me 1.4 GHz phone in 2009). Yet even those who do are laggy, your anti-MS reality distortion field looks strong...

simplezz said,

And who's fault is that? Microsoft never releases figures. This is the best anyone can do.

You're joking right?? lol. Elop has a new effect named after him. The Elop Effect is now infamous. His "Burning Platform" speech basically killed Symbian, the lifeblood that Nokia was depending on until they could implement another strategy.

2009 hardware at 2012 prices? Yeah, no ones falling for that one I'm afraid.

You'd be singing a different tune of they became another faceless Android OEM though!!!